My current game with spain is going well. I'm in 1450-ish, stinking rich, just started to colonialize Canary Islands, Fernando Po. I have conquered Morocco, Algeria, the Fez, and Tunisia. (I have Tunis, Mameluks have other state)

I'm have changed all of Morocco, Tunisia, and most of Algeirs to Christianity. (just Algeir's Capital and a Fez state left.) I am dealing with revolts in Former Algerian lands. They are hard to put down.

I like realistic games, i'm not the 'I'll conquer the world' guy cuz that is unrealistic. I'll likely let go my Christian North Africa states at the end of the game. :p

I'll post a map later.

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h50/Taniciusfox/1461MapEurope.png

It's the year 1461, I've managed to form Spain as Aragón. :D

The North African states were my first targets, and after chomping tons of land from them, Morocco split into Fez and Morocco(talk about some serious damage). I attribute this to the fact that I'm a bloodthirsty conqueror who likes to wipe out every enemy army... leaving the enemy with nothing for a few years to repel the HUGE rebel stacks that form. National collapse becomes immediate.

Over time, I conquered territory all the way from Sus to Tripolitania, with a few holes in my territory thanks to Tunis. All the North African states sans the Mamluks are now my vassals(and they like to sponsor revolts in my territory... *glare* ).

My first war was against Aquileia and Sardinia, in which Sardinian was annexed and Aquileia lost half it's territory - filled with gold - to me, thus giving me an economic boost. From there, a few accidents occurred. Venice and I allied, and we went to war against the Turks in several successive conflicts, resulting in Bulgarian independence, the growth of Venice's Greek Empire, and eventually the seizure of Thrace itself by Aragón. Successive conflicts saw disconnected Morea(with not only their home territories, but Rhodes, Crete and Kaffa!) and Wallachia break off from Turkish rule, and the complete collapse of the Turks to a single province. Bulgaria would have the honor of taking that province and annexing the Ottomans, though they'd lose it shortly after to the Karaman independence movement.

I turned on all my allies at some point. Portugal was a huge friend of mine in taking over North Africa(Sicily even got a stake in Africa too in the great war), but they sided with the enemy - Castille - at one point, and paid the piper for it. Castille was defeated thanks to NAVARRE. Assaulting and attacking Navarre's lone province demoralised the Castilians enough I was able to drive them out(only after they annexed Navarre, my poor ally... but they served their purpose at least!), and gradually reduce their entire army to nothing. Portugal saw the same fate occur, and a Pax Iberica resulted. Navarre would break away from Castille, and become a large state that it's height controlled all of Northern Iberia from Galicia to Navarre... though France would end that moment of glory.

Bulgaria was an ally of Aragón after they were released from the Turks, but they eventually turned on me, and as a result, they are now being eaten by Poland.

Italy is self-explanatory. Italy was unified thanks to Milan, and I was sure to damage them afterwards by excommunicating their ruler and declaring war. Rome will be ours in no time! :D

The full story can be seen in my story "Los Reyes de la Tierra, El Mar, y el Mundo" (The Kings of the Land, the Sea and the World) that is also in the All Other Games forum.

On religious progress, I passed the Advancement of the True Religion Act and have converted most of North Africa sans 2 provinces or so. I'm working on the Balkans now, and I hope I can get it all before my theologian dies...

How do i make a map like that? i clicked F14 and shiftF14. Where are the maps in my documents?

The maps are in your Europa Universalis III install folder under screenshots. Also how many function keys does your keyboard have?

:lol: F12 i mean.

I don't have the Screenshots folder??? (I also don't have the latest patch. :hmm:)

Oh! You can only do those map things if you have In Nomine. I always forget to mention that.

I have In Nomine, and i just downloaded the latest beta patch.

Okay that is odd... When I press F12 the maps go to my Screenshots folder. Same thing when I press printscreen.

Warning: the map is a bit large.

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/4283/eu3mapned16553141.png


This is probably my favourite game of EU3 yet. I started as Brabant and slowly conquered the Netherlands and colonised the Americas. My favourite part about it is how many nations have formed and are likely to formed. While Great Britain always forms this is my first game where Russia has formed without my intervention and Scandinavia, Italy and Spain are all likely to form and I've enever had Italy or Spain form unless I've done it but I haven't had any influence at all in Spain or Italy. Wu has formed and become the major player in China which started having huge revolts after wars with Korea and Japan and Hungary has become the regional superpower despite Austria being lucky. Hungary also invaded the Congo.

Also I'm very happy about the fact the Mongol Khanate has collapsed because in my previous games they always conquer the russian states and then enter an essential stalemate with Lithuania with each one trading several provinces back and forth during their constant wars.

How do you form Italy? I have conquered Venice and just about all of Italy save for Roma, which I left for the Papal States as a sign of respect after our bloody wars.

I do not have Sardina or the Sicilian provinces, those are owned by Spain. But I do have Corsica. I am Milan.

Should I have demanded full annexation of the Papal States?

EDIT: Also, if I need Rome, will my nation get along fine by international standing by declaring war on its own vassal? I made the Papal States my vassal.

Yes, you need Rome. Which means that AIs will almost never form Italy, as they are highly averse to annexing the Papal States.

Yes, you need Rome. Which means that AIs will almost never form Italy, as they are highly averse to annexing the Papal States.

Milan just formed Italy in my game as France :)

Anyway, since I hadn't played IN in a long time I started again with France. So far I'm not doing too bad, got all my vassals except foix annexed, control the southern coast of england as well as half of ireland. I dominate north and central america.

At the moment I've some trouble with revolts since I'm still in religious turmoil over switching to Reformed. My next steps would probably be to finally crush the english then take care of castille....

I started a new game with a new mod (divide et Imperium) which adds hundreds of states all over the world. (In particular, a 3 or so new ones in Italy)

I'm playing as Naples and conquered Sicily.

Before that i tried to do it with Venice but i killed myself cause of Bohemia as HRE ruler. Isn't that annoying? So i decided that i should try a southern civ as they aren't part of the HRE. (naples)

http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt9/Captain23222/eahhhh.jpg

things are going well, however in order to enact Prussian Military reforms I need an enemy capable of fighting me long enough to get 50% army tradition

I'm thinking Sealion

http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt9/Captain23222/eahhhh.jpg

things are going well, however in order to enact Prussian Military reforms I need an enemy capable of fighting me long enough to get 50% army tradition

I'm thinking Sealion

Getting a head-start on World War II, eh? :lol:

I'm thinking, once I get a copy of EUIII, of trying a game to unify Germany under SWISS or ALSATIAN leadership as opposed to Prussian hegemony (which is where, IMO, things went wrong.... Says the guy who's partially descended from Prussian Royalty :lol: )

Swiss? Mein Gott...

I almost didn't let the Bavarians into the great Prussian Empire due to their silly whimsical tendencies, the Swiss running the show would make the Prussian crazy :p

Is it possible to form Germany with anyone? or does it have to be a German state?

I`m thinking of trying to form Germany as Netherlands or Poland. :p

Netherlands might be possible, as a Germanic culture

Poland is out of the question sadly

Swiss? Mein Gott...

I almost didn't let the Bavarians into the great Prussian Empire due to their silly whimsical tendencies, the Swiss running the show would make the Prussian crazy :p

Well, at least the Alemanic Dialects of German seem to make more sense, grammar-wise (points to avatar). :lol: :p

...Although could you imagine a highly-democratized, gun-toting, individualistic, Swiss-like Germany. :D

What about Friuli? Are they germanic or Italian? (Or Croat?)

http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt9/Captain23222/eahhhh2.jpg

"Och, Aye dinnae know about these Germans"
"Ach, Das haggis ist nicht gut"


Culture Groups

Germanic:
Pommeranian
Prussian
Hannoverian
Hessian
Saxon
Rheinlaender
Bavarian
Austrian
Dutch
Flemish

I'm playing as portugal, i have colonized and conquered all of north and west africa, then i got nailed by spain after i completely dropped my defenses on the iberian peninsula for a mali war. I lost all of that but i completely annihilated the spanish army with scorched earth when they went into africa. So i moved my capital from lissabon, since i had no use of it, to africa. This new portugal is awesome and I'm colonizing all over the world.

Here is my latest game as Venice:

http://i30.tinypic.com/eah45v.png
Things have went down well, I first conquered Friuli, than warred on Ferrara and got Modena + Ferrara. I than joined in on a war against the papal state, sienna, pisa, and Umbria, with Milan. Milan got the best of this deal, it was clear it would be between me and them for control of Italy. (I believe at one point in the game, Venice was number 1 in world and Milan number 2 in Europe). I must also mention I`m making a of money.

I spammed a Merc army, and invaded Milan`s vassal, Mantua. I invaded Milan at 3 points. (2 from Roma up, and 1 from Treviso (which also got Mantua). I annexed Mantua and was pushing Milan into Lombardia. Tuscany and Genoa wasn`t happy with me and declared war on my the month before i got peace with Milan for all their states except for Lombardia. :lol:

I crushed and annexed Liguria and Tuscany with 1 battle each. (and the following battles with their troops running around my land. :rolleyes:) I was about to invade and annex Milan when Switzerland sent me a warning. So i annexed Lombardia and took Schwyz and settled for peace.

I then spent two decades getting rid of rebels and i`m still having troubles with them, especially in the south in Roma, Romagnia and Urbino. During this time I got stinking rich.

Than once the rebels started to cool down with only Lombardia and those 3 i mentioned earlier with revolt threat, I looked down to Napoli, it seems like they were at war with Ottomans, Aragon and Sicily. It also looks like the Ottomans have conquered most of their territory, and settled for peace with 1300 ducats, So I took the pleasure of invading and strolling through their empire which was quite simple as all the provinces had like 300 garrisons and morale was at near zero. I took all their territory aside from their southernmost which Sicily got.

Interestingly enough, Sicily gauranteed their former enemy Napoli, so I took the second pleasure of streamrolling and annexing through Sicily and Napoli. I now spend most of my time becoming richer, stopping revolts and improving my horrible reputation(i`m dishonorable scum that is hated throughout the world, and majority of nations in Europe have -200 with me! :lol: )

Now for the rest of the world as it stands on 1462:

http://i29.tinypic.com/29vjhc6.png

England will likely become UK in this game. England is also hated throughout the world (as a result of annexing Ireland), and was in war with half of Europe for 20 years. In this time, England has lost alot, but gained alot. By lost alot, at one point it looks like England will fall when they were forced to peace releasing 3 irish states, cornwall, northumberland as independent states. Since then, England gained most of it back, including taking Brittany and a stronghold in Scandinavia.

http://i26.tinypic.com/szwugg.png

Castille gobbled up Navarra and Granada. Aragon declared on Castille and took some provinces including Madrid. In the peace deal Castille let go Navarra, Grenada and Galicia. Portugal took Galicia, Aragon took Navarra and Castille cut down Grenada. Castille than declared on Aragon and took their states as well as Navarra.

Castille also took an African stronghold. They look ready to form Spain.

http://i30.tinypic.com/257ggzm.jpg

Most interesting area of development. First of all, the ottomans didn`t really do all that well. It took them 3 decades to take Thrace, and where badly defeated by Hungary in a war and had to give up several possessions. (various greek states and Kuraman).

Bosnia and Serbia are muslim allies of the ottomans. The Golden Horde did really well and got deep into Hungary till Hungary got elected papal controller, launched a crusade against them, and Poland-Lithuania beat them down with a stick... HARD. Hungary had it`s losses though, they had to release Croatia, (My Istria was gifted to them, the rebels there were particularly bad) they also had to release Transylvania and Wallachia. Hungary later got a truce with the Golden Horde, and made them release Moldovia and Crimea. Lithuania got 2 central asian states independent as well as Zaporozhia. Golden Horde is now a shadow of it`s former self.

Nowadays, Zaporozhia was warmongering. They annexed Moldovia, claimed the throne and annexed Transylvania, took a state of Crimea and started the downfall of Georgia. They are now probably going to be a key player in the Balkans history.

One last thing, Georgia was HUGE! They were a force to be reckoned with! They controlled all of the Caucasus, had all of Northern and Eastern Anatolia, and several other possessions. Zaporozhia started to beat them down to size though, the army was annihilated and they went to arms against the ottomans over the sovereignty of Montenegro. :rolleyes: They got steamrolled in the south and let go their Anatolian possessions by either ceding or by new states. They also had to let go Armenia, the two Azerbaijani states, their persian possessitions and several others.

I saved before Georgia got destroyed so I can play with them later. :)

http://i28.tinypic.com/2wfiszl.jpg
http://i32.tinypic.com/2mpev50.png

France has defeated Burgandy, and will soon achieve blob status. German states are warring. England has a stronghold on Scandinavia, Sweden is warring and will probably annex Norway and Denmark in the future. Denmark is reduced to a small state in Sweden and Kobenhavn as the Platenite has their mainland possessions. Bohemia grew, Poland grew as well, Lithuania is achieving blob status. Surprisingly, Poland-Lithuania is becoming close to it`s historic borders. The battle to form Russia is now between Novgorad and the Muscovy as the Golden Horde is no longer a threat. Hungary is neutered and Austria has collapsed to a small state as Tyrol and Styria gained independence following their war against Bohemia. The Teutonic Order will probably form Prussia in the future I think.

Anyway, it looks like the plot is already made for the future of Europe. Let`s recap, universally hated England will become UK, Powerful French blob, Castille forming Spain, a united Italy, a not so strong Ottomans, a more balkaned balkans, a neutered Hungary, the medieval powers of Georgia and the Golden Horde gone, a new state, Zaporozhia rising to power, a strong Poland-Lithuania, a collapsed Italy, a deranged Scandinavia, a German mess, a grand war over Russia between Novgorad and Muscovy and a possible Prussia under the Teutonic Order.

I like my game so far! :D

...So basically you're getting ready to kick off WWI about 450 years early :D

I finally got the game (EU III Complete), but due to how slow it plays, I may just have to get EU II so that I can play the game without having to worry about crashing and such....

World War I is happening in my game, only a few years after my update.

Update:

Novgorad has won the war against Moscovy, Moscovy is reduced to 1 state. Georgia is screwed up and will likely be annexed. Brittany is annexed by France. Venice has invaded and annexed Savoy. Ottomans are becoming stronger. Zaporozhia is at war with Lithuania and is having largescale revolts. They will likely fall imo. France is becoming very worrysome, they look like they are going to gobble up all of the low countries and Switzerland. There is a war about Teutonic aggression on minor German states. North Africa is invaded by France, Castille and Portugal, Morocco has already surrendered losing all their ducats, lucky to not lose any provinces. Algeirs is fairly unlucky being divided between Castille and France. HRE minor states are having a huge civil war. The Mameluks are at war with half of the muslim world, and are winning.

Edit: Scratch that, Half of the Muslim world is at war with each other. North Africa being the battle ground. Zaporozhia accepts peace with Lithuania and is now split in half, Lithuania has a Black Sea Port.

New edit: Ethiopia is at war with half of the muslim world following them being attacked by the Swahili. Every single country in the middle east and north and eastern africa is at war.

New edit: Sweden has took a large chomp on Norway. Norway is reduced to a few states to the south. Sweden is mighty...

New edit: Persia has entered the war, and is now at war with most of Eastern Europe.

New edit: Croatia has collapsed into a civil war and the rebel army has won.

New edit: Things have cooled down in Muslim lands... England is now at war with half of Europe, Including France, French vassals, Castille, Portugal, Aragon, Scotland, Sweden and Venice plus various small german states. Few months later, Novgorad, now a major player, declares on England.

new edit: the following summer, the war with the Teutonic order ends. Soon after, France makes peace with England, they now have their breton provinces, aside from one. France picks their next target... poor holland.

new edit: Holland is annexed... :eek: France is becoming huge! Moldovia suceeds from Zaporozhia

WWI ended when Sweden got a peace deal with Norway. Norway is reduced to 1 province.

Now there is a new war as the Ottomans have invaded Bulgaria. Now all of Southeast Europe, antaloia, north africa, and most of the arabian pinnensula are at war with each other. Surprisingly it is mostly muslim vs muslim, it is north africa in war with syria and it`s allies basically.

I was wondering if anyone could tell me WTF is going on with this screwy game? I made sure that I'm running a budget SURPLUS, yet, despite my NOT DOING A ZOD_DAMNED THING, right about when I get enough money to recruit another regiment, BAM! It JUST F**KING DISAPPEARS!!!! WTFH is going on!?!?!!!!!

Well, I figured out what was happening to my treasury... I had set several destinations for trade missions, and (still have) a surplus of merchants, so every year, I was launching at least 3 trade missions, which drained my treasury...

I've cut back my trade missions and, thanks to establishing at least TWO merchants each in Luebeck, Venzia, Liguria (which has THREE merchants), Antwerppen and Ile de France, my trade revenues are about 4X my tax revenues :lol:

One thing: I have a 5000-man army (4 Halberd regiments and a Latin Cav regiment), but despite being allied to TWO Italian factions (Tuscany and that one over at Trieste) as well as LUXEMBOURG, I can't get into any wars... The thing is that Wurzburg and Baden are BOTH pretty well ripe for the conquest (no armies worth mentioning, 2-province nations with no major allies), but is it worth declaring war on them unilaterally?

My current stability is +3 and my current ruler and set of advisors grant pretty big stability bonuses, but on the other hand, will that ruin my rep (not like it will do much to hurt my prestige, since it's only 5, thanks to completing a mission)...

Well after conquering Italy, the entire world hates me and refuses to even speak to me. My prestige is getting better but the effects are already there. Most nations are at -200 with me. What should I do?

@Hikaro, it shouldn't be a problem as long as you don't go on a quest annexing all of Germany.

Bribe a big country as a donkey, that would make you a powerful ally. Then you should stay low and don't declare any wars.

Bribe a big country as a donkey, that would make you a powerful ally. Then you should stay low and don't declare any wars.

Well, I DO have Austria granting Military Acess (which I also grant them) as well as guaranteeing my independance :lol: Somehow SWITZERLAND and AUSTRIA being ALLIES is just fundamentally WRONG, but there you go...

One thing that ticked me off is that my ally Aquilea got pulled into a war by Austria and Milan and they weren't nice enough to invite me into the party. :mad:

Also, due to the incredible slowness with which this game plays (unfortunately, most likely due to my processor not being the latest dual-core behemoth), I'm likely going to shelve this game, for now..... It took FOUR HOURS just to go from 1399 to 1408... Even the Age of Imperialism mod for Civ III Conquests isn't THAT slow!

....Although It's given me an idea for a (fairly) quick-to-build Civ III scenario....

Of course, I'll be starting at a later date (due to the fact that I need to limit the scenario to 31 factions), so that Spain and France will already be unified (sometime around 1500), Brabant, Utrect, etc will be the United Provinces, some of the German principalities will be larger, etc... Need to find some maps of Europe ca. 1500.....

Of course, I'll have to merge some of the smaller factions (like, for instance, combining Alsace and Lorraine into Alsace-Lorraine), etc....

Some ideas I like from EU that I'll be incorporating is concepts such as forming Germany, Forming the UK, Forming Russia, etc.... Easy enough to accomplish through the use of resources and/or technology (i.e. only German civs will have access to the tech "Germany", which they will all have from the start that will allow them to create a "Unified Germany" SW that has all sorts of benefits, but requires holding most of Modern Germany, which will be represented by pre-placed resources under key "provinces", which are represented by their capitol/key cities in this scenario.. I.e. Bern = Bern, Zurich = Schwyz, Berlin = Brandenburg, Strassburg = Alsace, etc)...

...One benefit of doing a Civ III mod is that there will be a MUCH greater flavor in units and such between factions.

...Now all I need to do is find the biggest map or Europe and North Africa I can and start editing. :D

Any ideas on where to go from here?

http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt9/Captain23222/EU3_MAP_JAP_1777115_1.jpg
http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt9/Captain23222/EU3_MAP_JAP_1777115_2.jpg

Indonesia?

French Mexico and California.

:lol: F12 i mean.

I don't have the Screenshots folder??? (I also don't have the latest patch. :hmm:)

I've seen a keyboard once with an F13 and F14 key.

Anyway, I'm playing the demo (used the cash cheat just to see what stuff I can do and just play around - yes I conquered most of Spain).

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/9537/francevsfrance.jpg

Apparently, I managed to win a sea battle against myself without firing a single shot. :confused: I was building ships to try and land in Africa.

You can win or lose battles without losing a single ship you know. ;)

Any ideas on where to go from here?

India! Unify Sangoku under the banner of the Rising Sun!

You can win or lose battles without losing a single ship you know. ;)

Yes, but usually you don't win or lose battles against yourself. Chieftess is France and lost the battle of the Channel to France.

And as you can see, Madrid is still autonomous. They simply don't wanna be annexed...

Why're you accumulating cash?

Why're you accumulating cash?

Anyway, I'm playing the demo (used the cash cheat just to see what stuff I can do and just play around

.vcl.

I decided to Trash my Venice game cause I can't recover diplomatically, most of the world doesn't even talk to me.

I started a new game as Genoa, I edited some of the settings, (I just saved game at the very start, went over to France, Milan and Savoy, and made them 'sell me a province' for 0 Gold) as I wanted to have a 'nicer' start. I allied myself with Spain, and he declared on Granada, and I had a boat with 3 units waiting for the declaration to take Gibraltar as a stronghold. (but also for colonization) We then preceded to attack North Africa. After 4 years everything from Tunis to Morocco was occupied by the alliance (Portugal, Castille, Genoa and Napoli) I got the moroccon territories of Tangiers, Cueta, Mellila and Atlas, while Portugal got the coastal areas. Napoli also got Tunisian territories, but Morocco captured them back, while Tunisia declared independence...

Later Castille claimed Aragon's throne and I took advantage, getting what I can. Provence and France ended their vassalship and France declared on Provence. I took advantage and declared and got my troops first to Provence, and I captured it instead of france. (I admit I had to reload a couple of times because I was playing at a two high speed and France vassled Provence before I got a chance to Annex it) Navarra was Aragon's vassal which I captured during the Aragonese war.

http://i30.tinypic.com/dw6hon.png
http://i32.tinypic.com/mkk845.png

I also cheated 9000 gold to deal with rebels when I became bankrupt. (which explains why I have so much money) I though't I needed alot, but it turns out that only very little was needed.

After finally releasing the Papal States from Vassalage, I immediately turned and declared war on them and conquered them. Then I formed Italy, but then the following year saw Poland and Austria my two strongest allies crumbling before Russia.

In just 2 years, they were left with 5 provinces each and I now share a border with a Russian monster. (I did not take any Austrian, Polish, or Ottoman lands, it was all Russia... my eastern border matches the real Italian border, so that should give you an idea of how big they are.)

Truth be told, I am now a nervous wreck as I try frantically to ally with France, Britain and Spain to no avail, noone wants to tangle with Russia... I fear my game may end soon, as I cannot match the Russian horde on the battlefield.

Oh well, I get to play as another country now. :D

Oh and the year is now 1621. Also, I would post a screenshot, but I could not figure it out... I know about f12 but where the file is... I have no idea...)

EDIT: I forgot I still have my colonies... the Carribean islands that I took from Spain and Britain plus the North East section of America and Canada. Could the game still continue even though your "cores" are conquered? I have several cores in my colonies so I don't know if the game could continue or not.

Also, I forgot to add, I do not have the expansions, just the original.

My Polish Empire!
http://i30.tinypic.com/280qgkx.png
As you can see, I brought great honor to my nation. :) I also renamed provinces to my liking. Teutonic Order is no more.
My ally Denmark:
http://i27.tinypic.com/tapxjm.png
Has been successful, They took advantage of my armies defending against Bavarian HRE Emperor attacks, and annexed some German minors, as well as Gotland and those Estonian islands.
Here is the Byzantine Empire:
http://i29.tinypic.com/mi01p1.png
What I basically did, is together with Castille, we invaded the Ottomans in a Crusade called by Hungary. I took all Ottoman territories in Greece mainland, signed peace with them a couple of times, converted them all to Catholicism, and made a new nation the Byzantines (and Bulgaria). I than let them free from vassalhood 10 years later, and Byzantines annexed more of Turkey, and bulgaria as well as Albania.

Finally this:
http://i30.tinypic.com/24lqxrr.png
My Ally Spain, My Ally Milan, and giant Morocco. (I have Gibraltar)

Milan (with my help) will form Italy in the future. The state to the south of Milan is Sicily. England has formed Great Britain.

I plan in the future to bring Morocco down to size in a joint Spanish-Portuguese-Danish-Polish-Lithuanian-Milanese-Byzantine effort. What fun!

Nice job. What's the status in Lithuania? Are you still in a PU?

Just finished a great game of EU3. I'm lazy, so I'll copy my post from the "Post Your Empire" thread on the Paradox Forums :p

The final world map of my latest game. SRI 4.1, I'm Persia (I started as some insignificant nation and waited for the Timurids to collapse, then took over Persia).

I've the most income, second largest army, 5th or 6th biggest navy, tech is pretty much as high as anyone (all neighbour bonuses are <1). All but about 6 provinces are Shiite, and only a dozen at most aren't cored.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a251/Phrox/EU/EU3_MAP_PER_18201230_1.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a251/Phrox/EU/EU3_MAP_PER_18201230_3.jpg

I added the black borders to distinguish between me, the Golden Horde, and Republican Germany (for some reason, they're that colour instead of the normal German grey-blue)

Some notes:
The big orangey-brown blob in North America is Quebec (who annexed Canada :lol: ), the lighter orangey-brown nation to the west Chile (who are also in South America) the dark red Louisiana, the small pink one is Mexico and the pale blue the US. Others are the remnants of the European colonising nations.
South America had pretty much every colonial revolution possible along with some Spainish, Portuguese and Dutch territory.
Austria did scarily well as the Emperor, even taking chunks of France and Russia, before having a revolution and becoming Republican Germany about a decade before the end.
France never annexed Provence, while a couple more of the other French minors got released late on
England never conquered Scotland but they were still doing very well until their colonies rebelled, at which point they got beaten up by Milan, who in turn would probably only lasted a few more years as a major power, as nearly all of their Italian provinces were occupied by Germany when the game ended.
No-one seemed that interested in going East - the Dutch and Portuguese finally started colonising the the East Indies about 20 years from the end. Wasn't a cache problem - they could explore East - they just didn't seem to be interested. :confused:

Disclaimer: This is a heavily modded game. I was testing out how the settings and groups work (I wanna add a Polynesian group for Australia and Oceania, once I figure out how to give "tech groups" (like European, Asian...)

Sunday January 22nd, 1421
The Dawn of the Great Mayan Civil War

Following the death of their beloved king, multiple heirs claimed their right to the throne. Rumors of rebellion and revolt started on the dawn of the Winter Soltice. One month later, the people rose up in support of their heir to the throne! :eek:

Catching wind of the plot, the new ruler already split up the massive armies at the corners of the empire into more mobile armies to hunt down the rebels.

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/5123/mayancivilwar.jpg

The battlefields of the north. The Azteca Rebels.

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/2489/norths.jpg

The battlefields of the south. The Muisca Rebels. As you can see from the far south, several armies are already performing manuvers to engage the rebels.

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/1469/southkz.jpg

The Empire of the Maya in 1421. I really do wonder about that lone rebel faction in the middle of the core provinces... There's apparently a southern group of loyal states to the throne, as well.

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/881/world1421.jpg


...

And by October, much of the Rebel Mayan Pretenders to the throne have retreated into the Rocky Mountains. The south was quickly won as the rebels were trapped on all three sides. Mexico was the most fought over, but eventually the true heirs to the Mayan throne were victorious!

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/306/rebelretreat.jpg

On March 1st, 1422, the last battle of the war, led by the great General Ahmok Ahkinxoc, was fought. By April 8th, 1422, all provinces have return to the control of the rightful Mayan king.

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/9646/lastbattle.jpg

EDIT: The general of that 100+k army passed away a year later. He was honored with a funeral fit for an emperor.

Nice job. What's the status in Lithuania? Are you still in a PU?

My my... Lithuania... Never speak to me about them again... :shake:

A while later, Lithuania became HRE Emperor :confused: and used it's power to conquer most of Russia. (Can Lithuania form Russia?) Personal Union finished a year after I started the game was my King died very quickly.

Poland became the Polish Empire soon after, and Poland-Castille-Milan conquered Morocco, and Morocco was reduced to 1 state, and Mameluks rid of all their libyan possestions in a later war. (as well as Syria). I hold Tunisia and Polish Morocco, Milan took Algeria, and Castille took parts of Libya and the rest of Morocco. Milan has one Moroccan state (the one above Ifni) and could because of that Colonize. North Africa is all Christian except for the one state Morocco and Mameluks.

Byzantines uber-failed when I wasn't looking. I looked one year, and everything was fine, I looked the next year, and Greece was formed and had all Byzantine possessions except for thrace and 1 Anatolian bordering state. They also converted Protestant Greece to Catholicism. (Protestantism started in Corfu, under Byzantine rule, most of Greece was Protestant) Strangely enough, Greece until very recently, was a Byzantine Vassal.

Ottomans uber-failed as well. Milan invaded Anatolia and they are reduced to two states.

Poland-Lithuania was the biggest entity in the world (maybe only ming was bigger) until I tried a silly attempt at trying to unify the netherlands, and Lithuania declared on me. They were defeated and we became enemies.

I had to declare on France to gain all the provinces for Dutch provinces needed for Netherlands. That worked out catastrophically, France was uber-strong and promptly defeated my 30k army in Holland. (Mind you, it was 1520's!) Castille got brought in the war thank god, and they conquered all of france from the middle-down. Milan also got in the war, and took some French possessions. France was defeated in a joint Polish-Castillian effort in Africa. Milan gladly helped me with the revolts in north africa during this time. Hungary was destroyed due to my battle expertise. Peace treaty was carved with France giving independence to Burgandy, and Guayenne, Provence to Milan, the needed states to Holland, and border territories to Spain. Hungary lost most of it's balkan territories to Milan, and it's Romanian territories to me. I'll give a unified Romania independence in the future. ;)

Poland has become a colonial power, with colonies in North Africa, Mauritania, Fernando Po, Bermuda, Puerto Rico, Barbados and the turks and caicos.

So far, I only see Spain and Portugal colonizing the americas, England and France are occupied in Africa however. England formed great Britian.

Milan should form Italy when they are done with some war with an Indian country due to an alliance with Baluchistan...

Powers at this day is...
Poland - me.
Lithuania - Baltic Russia
Milan - to strong for my liking, will probably choose Sicily next, it has Anatolia, Balkans, parts of North Africa and lots and lots of military and money.
Castille - Always strong
Great Britain - nuff said.
France - Not as sure, they should still be very powerful.
Persia - Controll from Balkan sea to the Indian Ocean, and from India to one state bordering the red sea.
Ming - All of Central Asia, annexed several SE Asian states, annexed one Indian state.

Ming makes me wonder, would it be possible to conquer the world as Ming? I saw someone almost do it with Iroquois in an AAR so it should not be to difficult.

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/4699/goldie.png (http://img178.imageshack.us/i/goldie.png/)

Im the Golden Horde mostly been helping the Ottos and Timurids. Surprised I haven't been involved in a war with one of them, usually after I've helped build up one of the ai they decide Im a threat.
Blagh Tims have started colonising, thats why I let the Yaroslav russians revolt, I'll start them giving money and hopefully they will colonise Siberia before the Tims
haven't been paying attention to western Europe so I don't know how England ended up with most of Denmark.

Nothing spectactular has happened, except I helped turn back China usually they kick my arse.

I got bored of my Poland game and started a new game.

As Holland, I formed the Netherlands after 5 years from 1399. ;) (I went and made an alliance between gelre and utrecht and other dutch states, and made gelre declare on Holland, than I conquered everything. I let go Netherlands as a vassal, releasing all my territory except for Holland, than I went to play as the Netherlands and declared on Holland and annexed them.)

I expanded as Netherlands and conquered all of modern day Netherlands, Belgium and Luxembourg as well as Calais. I also wanted to see Poland colonize, so I gave them Gibraltar again, before starting the game.

Most interesting point of the game is how France is divided into two countries, independent of each other and equally strong. In the North is France, and in the South is Guayenne, which has conquered everything from them middle point of France down, from the Atlantic coast to Savoy. (Nice is part of Guayenne). Both countries are powers in Europe, but niether are superpowers like France usually ends up, I wish more games were like that. :)

The colonial age is starting in the 1470's, with the colonizers being The Netherlands (Bermuda and Sierra Leone so far), Poland (Madiera's, Trarza), Portugal (Azores, Tangiers), Castille (Canary Islands), Guayenne (Cape Verde, Rio Oro), and Norway (one colony in Greenland when I checked).

I think this colonial age is going to be interesting. :)

In my game, the Mayans had another Civil War in 1440 - that one was over REAL quick! The poor rebels! It was similar to last time, except that Mesoamerica, and the former Incan territories (save for like two) didn't have any rebels.

The next year, the Dutch were spotted off the coast. (In 1441, Columbus, across the Atlantic, did run! :p) I have almost every coastal territory claimed, except for Greenland. I still don't have western Alaska (not discovered yet), most of the Carribean islands, and inland Patagonia colonized yet. I've got the Western-most coast of Africa (Liberia, I think) colonized, so the Mayans can westernize. I'm still getting the hang of the naval aspect of the game, like which ships can use explorers, which ships can transport, and so on. Kind of tricky ferrying over 1 unit at a time. I'm not even sure how to blockade (just plop a ship at a bottleneck, for example?).

I'm not even sure how to blockade (just plop a ship at a bottleneck, for example?).

Once you've got the tech that lets you blockade (it's Naval, forget which level), just put your ships in a coastal zone, and all ports in that zone are blockaded automatically.

Kind of tricky ferrying over 1 unit at a time

if you put more cogs into the stack, than you can ferry over much more units. I had a stack of 30 cogs in my Spain game and delivered like 40k troops at the Chinese Border.

What year are you in Chieftess? You could try conquering the world.

Possible here with Iroquois: http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=384744&page=74

He ran out of diplomats but since you are cheating, you can cheat in a few diplomats.

My latest game Netherlands. (I saved over Poland by accident so that game is gone in the trash. :()
I got bored of my Poland game and started a new game.

As Holland, I formed the Netherlands after 5 years from 1399. ;) (I went and made an alliance between gelre and utrecht and other dutch states, and made gelre declare on Holland, than I conquered everything. I let go Netherlands as a vassal, releasing all my territory except for Holland, than I went to play as the Netherlands and declared on Holland and annexed them.)

I expanded as Netherlands and conquered all of modern day Netherlands, Belgium and Luxembourg as well as Calais. I also wanted to see Poland colonize, so I gave them Gibraltar again, before starting the game.

Most interesting point of the game is how France is divided into two countries, independent of each other and equally strong. In the North is France, and in the South is Guayenne, which has conquered everything from them middle point of France down, from the Atlantic coast to Savoy. (Nice is part of Guayenne). Both countries are powers in Europe, but niether are superpowers like France usually ends up, I wish more games were like that. :)

The colonial age is starting in the 1470's, with the colonizers being The Netherlands (Bermuda and Sierra Leone so far), Poland (Madiera's, Trarza), Portugal (Azores, Tangiers), Castille (Canary Islands), Guayenne (Cape Verde, Rio Oro), and Norway (one colony in Greenland when I checked).

I think this colonial age is going to be interesting. :)

http://i36.tinypic.com/98rcyv.png
http://i35.tinypic.com/2vbooap.png

As you see Guayenne is quite impressive.
Poland is to strong for my liking. They vassalized and annexed Brundenburg earlier to.

My latest game Netherlands. (I saved over Poland by accident so that game is gone in the trash. :()


I did that one. I was saving the game and loading as different nations just to make them all declare war on each other to see what would happen. I made Spain (Castille) declare war on every single nation, then some saves later, I discovered it was a 1399 AD save, and not the 1450-something save I had.


Anyway, in my game, Tennessee seems very, very independant. There's constant nationalist rebellions there.

I did that one. I was saving the game and loading as different nations just to make them all declare war on each other to see what would happen. I made Spain (Castille) declare war on every single nation, then some saves later, I discovered it was a 1399 AD save, and not the 1450-something save I had.


Anyway, in my game, Tennessee seems very, very independant. There's constant nationalist rebellions there.


I tend to do rolling saves as well as the auto saves to minimise the chances of losing an entire game. I think I've got at least 20 saves for my current AAR just in case.

Note to self: When game is done/satisfactory, and you are bored of playing it, copy and paste to a seperate folder. ;)

I did it again accidentally to on my netherlands game. (I was experimenting on forming a united Celtica based on Ireland), luckily I have autosaves.

What do you guys have autosaves set to? I have it twice a year.

I have it set to once a year. I had it at every month, but that got annoying quick. :)

In my first EUIII game, I'm playing as Russia, because of the sense of obligation to Motherland. I started in 1492, and it's already 1575. My only conquests so far are the Siberian colonies up to Irkutsk, the majority of the territory of the Siberian and Kazan Khanates, Tambow and the strip of land that leads to Caspian Sea, but I'm planning to attack the Ottoman Empire soon. In the honor of Polish posters in CFC, I'm planning to have warm relations with Poland and Lithuania. I even sold Chernigov back to Lithuania, as a sign of friendship.

I plan to slowly bring my nation to having completely Free Subjects, as a proper bleeding heart liberal (in Russian sense of the world).

It's definitely a good game, although chasing all these lost armies of enemies around is quite annoying. BTW, how do you take these political world maps?

@ Lone_Wolf:

Press F12. That should save the world map for you. Which folder it's in tends to vary, unfortunately.

Shift + F12 will give you a world map with just your empire.

Edit: The F12 thing doesn't work unless you're using In Nomine. :(

Edit: The F12 thing doesn't work unless you're using In Nomine.

I'm using it, so thanks.

@ Lone_Wolf:

Press F12. That should save the world map for you. Which folder it's in tends to vary, unfortunately.

Shift + F12 will give you a world map with just your empire.

Edit: The F12 thing doesn't work unless you're using In Nomine. :(

Is there a way to take a screenshot of other map types, like political, economic (I don't even understand that one yet...)?

It's definitely a good game, although chasing all these lost armies of enemies around is quite annoying.
Use cav stacks and leaders with high Shock. Works like a charm until the last century of the game or so.

I just noticed how fun it is to play as an Indonesian nation!

As Aceh, it's only like 1430 and i'm colonizing Indonesia. I already conquered Java.

Note, I'm usnig Whole World mod, and it adds tons of Indonesian islands, so maybe that is why it is so fun.

Granted, it is only a 'fun' game, nothing serious, so I am cheating in extra colonist and I bought a couple tech levels of Navy and Trade.

I decided to stop ubercheating my games with 100,000,000,000,000 mercenaries and colonists and now I'm just using cash cheat.

If you just get cash and hire mercs, you could conquer all of Europe in no time at all. Every week there's thousands of mercs to hire.

also, i bet you were totally expecting a pic here. hahahaha.

I started as France in 1480 when Provence is gone.

I annexed Auvergne and after doubling my army conquered all of Britanny except their capital, conquered all of Austria's Netherlands and annexed four territories therein, and am currently in a war with Castille (they keep landing on my shores and i keep driving them off) and Savoy, currently Savoy's troops are in my territories and my troops are in theirs, but I'm recruiting some more in my center to drive them off. Soon I will vassalize them and take a province or two, at which point I shall take Lorraigne (sp) and vasslize them as well.

Currently I am gifting the vassals in the middle of my territory to get them back up to 190-200 relations again, so I can demand their vassalization.

After all that I'll focus on colonizing the new world! :D

It's strange that in peace negotiations you can annex only the enemy provinces in which you have stationed armies.

I learned the hard way that putting transports back into a harbor (by Acapulco Bay or something) unloads the units. All 106 of them! They were heading for Indonesia... :lol:

It's strange that in peace negotiations you can annex only the enemy provinces in which you have stationed armies.
And that you can't do a full annex unless the state is an OPM. This is why the Ottomans suck at killing the Mamluks in EU3 whereas in OTL they did a year's campaigning and were done with it.

Out of interest is there a reason why so many people seem to be using the full on cheats?

In EU2 there were occasional reasons to fire a cash event to get 50 ducats rather than accidentally go bankrupt because of a negative event however I'm not sure what the challenge is if you have more money than you can spend.

Out of interest is there a reason why so many people seem to be using the full on cheats?
Laziness, lack of ability, or training wheels.

And that you can't do a full annex unless the state is an OPM. This is why the Ottomans suck at killing the Mamluks in EU3 whereas in OTL they did a year's campaigning and were done with it.

What's OPM? Any list of EU3 acronyms laying around?

Out of interest is there a reason why so many people seem to be using the full on cheats?

In EU2 there were occasional reasons to fire a cash event to get 50 ducats rather than accidentally go bankrupt because of a negative event however I'm not sure what the challenge is if you have more money than you can spend.

Getting our feet wet. :) I'm still learning things, and seeing how things work. I just recently learned that it's best to have your huge stack wait at a local far flung colony that's established so that they can recover (looked odd seeing a unit with 0 troops). For awhile there, I thought that maybe they were being picked off one by one awhile moving from one province to another in enemy territory. I still haven't figure out how to build a great palace, though - got that event, but didn't know how to build it. I'm not sure how to westernize, either.

What's OPM?

One Province... Something, I presume?

One Province Minor.

Out of interest is there a reason why so many people seem to be using the full on cheats?

In EU2 there were occasional reasons to fire a cash event to get 50 ducats rather than accidentally go bankrupt because of a negative event however I'm not sure what the challenge is if you have more money than you can spend.

Laziness, lack of ability, or training wheels.

Or for fun. It is VERY Fun to play as a nation like Aceh and just send a billion colonist's all over Indonesia.

In my game as Aceh, I fully colonized Australia(they are all cities) and it's only 1470. I have most colonizable areas of Indonesia Colonized as well as all of Papua Guinea. (My range is in the 500's i believe) and some of my cores are starting to finally core up. I already invaded Brunei once and took the province needed to to form Indonesia. I will form Indonesia at around 1490, and finish off Brunei and focus my attention in South East Asia. I'm lucky that Spain colonized a province in Philippines which allows me to westernize, which I should shortly after I form Indonesia (forming Indonesia gives you +2 centralization. I need 1 more cetnralization and 1 more innovative to westernize). 100 % of all colonized parts of Indonesia, Australia and New Zealand is Muslim. (Some parts are still animist and uncolonized though).

I think this is the funnest game I ever had. Granted I do spam alt-2-1-colonist-enter, but this game is meant for Fun. If I want realism, i'd play as a European nation.

Reminds me of my spanish game where i had colonized everything and conquested africa, india, america and italy

man i cheated

Reminds me of my spanish game where i had colonized everything and conquested africa, india, america and italy

man i cheated

That's what I like about this game - you can even change the rules files mid-game and it'll still take effect. Then there's saving, reloading as another nation/kingdom, doing something like gifting a province or declaring war, then reloading as your civ. I'm going to try at least once to make everyone at war with every known nation and see what happens (removing units, too).

I'm not sure how to westernize, either.

Here you go:

http://www.paradoxian.org/eu3wiki/Westernization

As a note, I don't really get the cheating either, makes it boring IMO, even for non-European nations. And I definately think it's a bad idea for new players - much better to learn by getting your ass handed to you on a plate :p

Here you go:

http://www.paradoxian.org/eu3wiki/Westernization

As a note, I don't really get the cheating either, makes it boring IMO, even for non-European nations. And I definately think it's a bad idea for new players - much better to learn by getting your ass handed to you on a plate :p

So, how do you change your state religion from anamist to Christian? I read something on the wiki about the religion tab and there being a button, but I don't see anything. And the slider changes seem random...?

I believe for starters, a province of yours needs to be christian. Although I see numerious times Byzantines or Greeks being Muslim when all their provinces are orthadox or catholic and vice versa.

I believe for starters, a province of yours needs to be christian. Although I see numerious times Byzantines or Greeks being Muslim when all their provinces are orthadox or catholic and vice versa.

There's plenty of provinces like that, and they are core provinces.

So, how do you change your state religion from anamist to Christian? I read something on the wiki about the religion tab and there being a button, but I don't see anything. And the slider changes seem random...?

Dunno. IIRC, normally you can only change to a different religion group if you're got one province and religious rebels take it (and I think you have to collapse as well - not nice), but there might be something different for Animist/Shamanistic nations (changes within the group are possible if religious rebels take any province, or of course by decision for the Reformation).

Not something I've ever had to do though, as I've only played with IN, and Westernisation doesn't need it anymore.

As for Muslim Byzantines, it's probably a result of them getting annexed, then rebelling/getting released after the Ottomans have converted their capital or similar.

What religion do you want to change from?

You can only freely change religions between Catholicism, Protestantism and Reformed.

If you want to change to another religion, what you can do is send your missionaries to a province with the target religion, (allowing it to revolt due to being converted) put your missionary spending to 0%, and wait for a revolt. Once some religious zealots come up, comply with their demands, which would be 'state religion switched to x' as well as 2 decentralization and a pretty bad reputation hit.

It's an exploit sort of if you are doing it intentionally, but it's the only way to switch from Islam to Catholic or Budhist to Orthadoxy or Orthadoxy to Catholic etc.

What religion do you want to change from?

You can only freely change religions between Catholicism, Protestantism and Reformed.

If you want to change to another religion, what you can do is send your missionaries to a province with the target religion, (allowing it to revolt due to being converted) put your missionary spending to 0%, and wait for a revolt. Once some religious zealots come up, comply with their demands, which would be 'state religion switched to x' as well as 2 decentralization and a pretty bad reputation hit.

It's an exploit sort of if you are doing it intentionally, but it's the only way to switch from Islam to Catholic or Budhist to Orthadoxy or Orthadoxy to Catholic etc.

From anamist. I also have the Mayans as "Defender of the Anamist Religion" just so I could see how it worked (granted, all of the other anamist nations are gone now). I did try that, but they didn't revolt...

Try loading as another another nation and cheating in spy's to Fund Zealots.

Don't know if Defender of the Faith has anything to do with it.

A just-for-fun attempt at European Domination :D

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/2107/muslimeurope1458.jpg

The Regulars army group are the provincial regiments I have so far recruited. Other than the starting army of 10k, everything else is mercs.

You seem to have a cash problem...

Huh?.

He has deficit. While having 39000 cash

Well... I have to fund my hundred thousand mercenaries!... :mischief:

What religion do you want to change from?

You can only freely change religions between Catholicism, Protestantism and Reformed.

If you want to change to another religion, what you can do is send your missionaries to a province with the target religion, (allowing it to revolt due to being converted) put your missionary spending to 0%, and wait for a revolt. Once some religious zealots come up, comply with their demands, which would be 'state religion switched to x' as well as 2 decentralization and a pretty bad reputation hit.

It's an exploit sort of if you are doing it intentionally, but it's the only way to switch from Islam to Catholic or Budhist to Orthadoxy or Orthadoxy to Catholic etc.

This isn't completely true, at least with IN. As I said before, the religious rebels trick only works within religious groups (so only the last of your examples is possible). The only way to switch groups is to be an OPM with state religion different from province religion, then go bankrupt (I said collapse earlier, which was wrong)

Here's a summary of the changing religion rules in IN:
http://www.europa-universalis.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9628422&postcount=55

This isn't completely true, at least with IN. As I said before, the religious rebels trick only works within religious groups (so only the last of your examples is possible). The only way to switch groups is to be an OPM with state religion different from province religion, then go bankrupt (I said collapse earlier, which was wrong)

Here's a summary of the changing religion rules in IN:
http://www.europa-universalis.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9628422&postcount=55

I guess the only way to go is to be a one province minor, then? What does it mean by "minor"? You have to be a vassal? That would be a ton of provinces to give up - I have north/south America, Africa, Australia, Siberia, Italy, and northern Germany. :)

I guess the only way to go is to be a one province minor, then? What does it mean by "minor"? You have to be a vassal? That would be a ton of provinces to give up - I have north/south America, Africa, Australia, Siberia, Italy, and northern Germany. :)

OPM is just a general term meaning anyone with only one province.

I went bankrupt. Had peasant and nationalistic revolts all over the place. Recovered the stability by the national decision of moving the capital to St. Petersburg (why would moving the capital in the times of upheaval be good for stability?). Lost a large part of Eastern Siberia to the Ming Empire, who hates me. Conquered a part of Central Asia.

The Ottomans have recently colonized Sakhalin and a Far Eastern province north of Manchuria. On the historical front, Mexico is Spanish, and England controls the majority of the East Coast.

I can't get into the game, too used to EU2 and its historical events... but I have been trying some minor powers and I seem to be chugging along okay. I do have a few questions. Is it useful at all to take the events in the provinces that reduce revolt rate and at the same time income? in EU2 revolts in the early game were a pain and so I tried to avoid them like the plague, I don't know if that is needed in this game. When I create units it sometimes gives me more then one option, like Muslem knights vs eastern knights, other then the obvious diference in fire, shock ect, what should I go for, mainly offense or a balance between good offense and defense shock/fire?
In Eu2 I never minted (didn't even try the pillage and mint that month trick), is that something I can afford to do in this eu3?

Thanks in advance,

Ash

Depends on your situation. That is the answer to all your questions.

firstly, I personally avoid things that Permanently reduce income in favor for short term advantage. Revolt risk will go down eventually, the limited income till the end of the game don't however. If it is ' -3 revolt risk in exchange for -10% provincial tax income till 1468' and it the year is like 1459 or something, than that is worth it. (especially if you are converting such provinces)

If you have a strong enough military with good enough morale, or even just a strong nieghbour in an alliance with you, it is enough to take care of rebels.

As for the units, it depends on what you want. Are you planning on invading someone in the near future, do you have a rebel problem? or do you just seek protection?

Also Muslim units tend to be fairly weaker than christian units until the 1500's where the Mameluks and friends finally get a decent land tech level that unlocks new muslim units that are comparable to Latin units.

As for minting, it depends on your strategy, and what you intend to do in the near future.

I don't mint, as Im against it, and I tend to focus on trading, which gives me a good enough income. I only mint in emergencies, and would rather use that mint's gold on technology advances. But it depends on the person entirely, many people like to Mint, but I don't. You can afford it if you know how to use it. (another reason why I don't mint, I don't udnerstand all the mechanics behind minting)

Muslim units decline in quality again after the 16th century, AFAIK.

Shock is probably the most important thing to have in terms of units and leaders up to about 1650-1670 or so, when cav starts losing its advantage and Fire becomes handier. Initial Shock roll in combat usually makes a battle, hence why it's a good thing to keep around cav stacks.

I got that "too much gold influx in the market" or something event and got bankrupted again. Grrr. Also, I need to end the Ming problem, they are constantly attacking what's left of my Siberian posessions.

"The Final Solution to the Chinese Problem"? :p

Muslim units decline in quality again after the 16th century, AFAIK.

Shock is probably the most important thing to have in terms of units and leaders up to about 1650-1670 or so, when cav starts losing its advantage and Fire becomes handier. Initial Shock roll in combat usually makes a battle, hence why it's a good thing to keep around cav stacks.

Well they don't decline, just the new latin units become much better, and muslim units dont improve as much.

Yeah, I meant a relative decline. :p

"The Final Solution to the Chinese Problem?"

I'm quite OK to let them live as long as they stay away from Siberia. Also, am I supposed to be able to sacrifice provinces of Indochinese countries who are at war with China for peace with China?

Ottoman colonies is East Siberia are an eyesore.

A just-for-fun attempt at European Domination :D

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/2107/muslimeurope1458.jpg

The Regulars army group are the provincial regiments I have so far recruited. Other than the starting army of 10k, everything else is mercs.

ah, you had the same idea as me :evil:

I started a game with the ottomans as well, to try out the Rising Nations mod. My map looks very similar to yours, though I'm a bit furhter down the timeline and have a few more provinces (norhtern italy, mostly).

At the moment I'm recovering from the stab hit that came with westernizing. To cushion off some of the revolt risk I decided to enact Ottoman Tolerance which gives +3 Tolerance to both heretics and heathens. I makes regaining stability a bit more expensive, but I thought it well worth the prize. Especially since I have next to no missionaries because of my high innovativeness (necessary to westernize)

There's my Ottoman Empire in 1501
http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/8798/eu3maptur15018211.jpg

It might be a bit mean to say but.... That's it?

Why exactly my former Chinese holdings in Siberia had decided that they'd rather defect to Pskov? I had to annex Pskov itself and vassalize its new Siberian holdings. I hope that when the obligatory 10 years pass, Pskov-in-Sibeira will have no problems being annexed.

It might be a bit mean to say but.... That's it?
you are indeed mean to suggest I don't absolutely rule this game ;)

what can I say? I've never been one for rapid expansion, trying to keep bb reasonably low, etc. slow and steady is more my style. But yeah, I probably wouldn't have been a great world conqueror, given the opportunity ;)

I am surprised you haven't taken wallachia-hungary yet.

What's up with Great Britain? :eek:

Anyway, I had a 1-province AI do something very, very, very stupid. As I was manuvering large stacks to attack another nation, this one little province decided to declare war... with 50,000 troop next to it... Needless to say, it was over quickly. :)

Time for a very, very bad pun. As far as Europe goes, it won't be Eur(ope)'s for much longer, it'll be May(a)n. :p

I am surprised you haven't taken wallachia-hungary yet.
yeah, they were a bit of a pain. They're gone by now (as well as most of lithuania, poland and potosk, but I let them live for a while because they were allied with Austria and I wasn't ready to take them on all together just yet. I was barely able to hold my own in the first war against them :(


What's up with Great Britain? :eek:
umm, nothing? take a closer looks at the shades of red...GB controls only their usual provinces and a piece of finland. the red blob in the middle east/northern africa is the timurid empire who inheritet the mameluks

Time for a very, very bad pun. As far as Europe goes, it won't be Eur(ope)'s for much longer, it'll be May(a)n. :p
so how's your game with the mayans going? I have a game started somewhere as the Iroquois, but got bored by it, because there's not really anything to do until the europeans arrive ...

so how's your game with the mayans going? I have a game started somewhere as the Iroquois, but got bored by it, because there's not really anything to do until the europeans arrive ...

Trying to convince their vassals not to end up like the one-province nations and join in the conquest of the world. ;) (Looks like it's gonna take a LONG time to lower the BB reputation. Might as well conquer the whole world instead...) The Timilud (sp) are getting very big, too, as is Maharathra. My eastern Siberian colonist have since become cores and are now churning out units to head south. Ming was also getting far too big for his own good.

Time for a very, very bad pun. As far as Europe goes, it won't be Eur(ope)'s for much longer, it'll be May(a)n. :p

That pun was absolutely awful :shake: :lol:

I happened to pick up The Complete Edition last weekend at a low price, and have been playing all this week. Overall, it is fun. But does anyone know if it is even possible to win, or even survive as Granada in a semi-normal game? My current games all end with me beginning an escape to America, but I'm always destroyed before I get a full province.

What's up with Great Britain? :eek:
Time for a very, very bad pun. As far as Europe goes, it won't be Eur(ope)'s for much longer, it'll be May(a)n. :p

Bad puns are like sneak attacks - There should never be any warning.

I happened to pick up The Complete Edition last weekend at a low price, and have been playing all this week. Overall, it is fun. But does anyone know if it is even possible to win, or even survive as Granada in a semi-normal game? My current games all end with me beginning an escape to America, but I'm always destroyed before I get a full province.

You broke your guarantee.

ontopic: cheat some colonists

I happened to pick up The Complete Edition last weekend at a low price, and have been playing all this week. Overall, it is fun. But does anyone know if it is even possible to win, or even survive as Granada in a semi-normal game? My current games all end with me beginning an escape to America, but I'm always destroyed before I get a full province.

Basically, unless you want to be really cheesey* you have to get lucky to succeed as Granada. I remember reading on the Paradox forums about someone who was able to siege the Spanish capital before they were able to take any of his provinces, and could force a peace that benefited him, but that kind of thing comes down to having the RNG on your side :p

* Cheesey tactics are things like going and taking a HRE OPM right at the beginning of the game.

I prefer dutch 1opm. They tend to be rich, and as closer to home.

I prefer dutch 1opm. They tend to be rich, and as closer to home.

Yeah, the Dutch one's are good. Just wait till the Emperor is distracted, then jump in. Lubek's also nice due to it's CoT. The easiest are probably the Irish ones, as you don't have to deal with the Emperor, but the provinces are pretty poor.

I happened to pick up The Complete Edition last weekend at a low price, and have been playing all this week. Overall, it is fun. But does anyone know if it is even possible to win, or even survive as Granada in a semi-normal game? My current games all end with me beginning an escape to America, but I'm always destroyed before I get a full province.
I remember Till writing an AAR about a game as Grenada, though I think it was EU2.

Yeah, the Dutch one's are good. Just wait till the Emperor is distracted, then jump in. Lubek's also nice due to it's CoT. The easiest are probably the Irish ones, as you don't have to deal with the Emperor, but the provinces are pretty poor.

Mecklenburg starts with 2 states, and thus will take two wars 5 years apart to conquer Lubeck. Plus HRE emperor at start of the game is Bohemia. Bohemia just needs to cross Brandenburg to reach Mecklenburg.

Dutch 1PM are the best, they are the richest, and are a good starting point for conquering the netherlands, which would be much better than just a couple of German states. After awhile, you can relaunch an assault on Castille/Spain as well as Colonize.

Mecklenburg starts with 2 states, and thus will take two wars 5 years apart to conquer Lubeck. Plus HRE emperor at start of the game is Bohemia. Bohemia just needs to cross Brandenburg to reach Mecklenburg.

Dutch 1PM are the best, they are the richest, and are a good starting point for conquering the netherlands, which would be much better than just a couple of German states. After awhile, you can relaunch an assault on Castille/Spain as well as Colonize.

Heh, I had forgotten that Lubeck wasn't an independant nation in vanilla. So used to playing SRI these days. Though, even then, you can still take that one province from Meck.

I do agree that the Dutch states are better overall, just saying that they're not the only option. The also put you closer to something large and blue....:p

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h50/Taniciusfox/1461MapEurope.png

My game as Aragón, as of 1461. Well, now I've formed Spain, though this version of Spain is dominated by the Catalan group rather than the Castilian. (Madrid's culture, coincidentally enough, became Catalan through a conversion event)

The game itself has a few modifications to facilitate warfare and development. For instance, the formation of Spain gives cores on the Italian and Greek lands Aragon would have claims on, hence it made it slightly easier to absorb those areas. Cultures are a bit easier to accept, while war exhaustion decreases faster. To ensure the formation of Italy as a rival, I helped Milan along by giving them cores on the four provinces required to form Italy, and I might do the same with a German minor at some point. (I need some new rivals, as I'm likely to trounce France in the near future to lay the foundations for a New Roman Empire... :mischief: ) As well, to make the Anglo-Burgundo-French Wars more interesting, I made it so the Straits of Dover are LITERALLY straits again. :D

Please do not get too offended by the somewhat rude comments around the map, they're meant in good humor and also because of the roleplaying(I'm Spain for goodness sakes!) :lol:

These are some shots from My Ottoman game, started right after the war with Persia (The real-life one).

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Playing as Turkey isn't as easy as I thought. Austria and friends invades around 1610 , destroy what I though was a solid army and take all provinces down to Macedonia. I make peace, giving them only a few provinces, and a promise of revenge. Tripoli insults me during this time, thinking I won't invade them while I'm about to lose almost a 1/4 of my territory. After I crush thier allies, they become my vassals. But while Austria was merrily slaughtering Turks, Spain inherited Portugal and became a massive Iberian Empire. SuperSpain declares on Austria while I rebuild, but it's pretty much a stalemate. I redeclare around 1650, and am almost crushed yet again. My Polish force is ruined, my 30,000 strong army is crushed and Austria moves in. Spain, as it seems, hasn't been doing much. I take my surviving units and proceed to decisively push back Austria while Poland decides to make peace. With 30,000 more units freed up, SuperSpain suddenly re-appears and occupies Austria with me. The cowards then give White Peace to Austria, almost ruining the entire war. What you can't see in this picture, is that after this set-back, all of Austria is occupied by 1655. I can't annex, so take what I need to target the "Most Serene Republic of Venice".
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The next 40 years up to here are spent in peace, partly due to A.I. and system incompetence. Tuscany, the Papal States, and a few others declare on Venice. Tuscany occupies and takes Venice, but I assume the Venetian fleet blockaded the army's escape. So Tuscany and Venice spend the next 40 years in war, Tuscany without most its army, Venice without a capital and with plenty of revolts to go around. Eventually this stupidity ends, Venice pushes Tuscany out, and I declare on Venice with its nice, available CoT. Unfortunately, Poland was aligned with them, and proceeds to crush my 100,000 strong (but not the most advanced) force. While Poland and my surviving forces chase around each other, I occupy all of Venice with the advanced troops from the former Austrian territories. I annex all but their capital, and Poland takes another White Peace when it could have fought up to my capital. The shot is right after that war.
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I colonized and improved my technology while the Venetian-Tuscan stalemate was going on. I colonized the Bahamas from the French, and also colonize some of Indonesia. I got sizeable revolts that overwhelmed my garrison though, and my Red Sea fleet was destroyed in the reaction-crossing. The good news is that in only two to six more years I'll be able to build troops in my lone surviving province there.

England had done quite bad, failing to unite the Islands like they usually do in my experience. So the current Superpowers are:
Russia (In a war vs. the Ming, they occupied 90% of Chinese territory.)
SuperSpain (Woe to their enemies [and that's me])
Ottoman Turkey (Me)
Persia (They are on their way to controlling all of India!)
France (Obviously)
Poland (They don't do much except seperate Russia from the rest of the world [And maybe that's enough])
Austria (Perhaps not as much as the rest, but for a nation that was totally occupied and without an army just 50 years ago, I'm impressed at their success)

Bump?

Well in my current Venice AAR... http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=341974&page=3

I have managed to transform Venice into an Empire now, so that pesky Merchant Republic status is finally gone... I can make royal marriages now! Yay!

Now if only my rulers didn't drop dead like flies every 1-2 years... I think it's about high time to turn off historical rulers.

But anyway, I now control nearly the entire Mediterranean coast and Italy, with (Expanded) Savoy, Switzerland, Aydin, Ferrara, (Expanded) Salzburg, (Expanded) Bosnia, (Expanded) Serbia, Foix, the Mamluks, and Tunisia all as vassals/allies. I control Rome, and will be able to form Italy in the 1520s. I'm currently fighting Oman and the Turks, and intend to take part of the Hedjaz and much of Western Turkey/Turkey's coastline in the peace deal. I still have to deal with Morocco, who I'm at war with as part of the same "Uber-Muslim War", where a declaration of war upon Tunisian-held Egypt resulted in a war with Morocco, the Turks, Oman, the Mamluks and Iraq.

Morocco is thankfully part of the hellhole that is the Maghreb, and is also a crusade target, giving me nice bonuses. I'll deal with them later on, or at least seize one of their ports to aid in colonisation.

It is now 1477. I paused just before an event will fire where Mary of Burgundy will pick her spouse. She is most likely to pick the Austrians, but she can pick the French, a third country, or to not be inherited at all, in that order.

To give you an idea why Burgundy being inherited would be bad:

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h50/Taniciusfox/1469Europe.png

The most recent map, circa 1469. Burgundy's lost 2 or 3 provinces since then to revolts, but they're still pretty damned threatening. (I've also annexed the Pope, which means Milan, Parma and Rome are all mine)

The funny part is the fact that France and England have lucky tags, and yet Burgundy STILL pwned them.

My Ottoman Empire in 1647.
http://i315.photobucket.com/albums/ll472/mech65/EU3_MAP_TUR_1657328_1.jpg?t=1259460787

This is my third game. One of my best games so far. am . My first was with Morocco which was good game, I defeat both of Spain and Portugal invasions and colonize most of North Africa and conquered Algeria. Second was with France, but I abandon it.

Oooh, never knew there was an EU3 thread here, and this is perfect because I just started getting into this game :D. Though from my current game (it's my second game over all and decided to play as Britain) I have one question, does the A.I. Timurid usually become a monster? It seems kinda of unsual how big they are in my game.

http://i767.photobucket.com/albums/xx313/Carwrex/EU3_MAP_GBR_1690116_2.jpg?t=1259988051

As you can see they own just about all of Central Asia. They also happen to own the eastern coast of Africa (excluding S. Africa which is mine), central India, the Philippines, Taiwan, southern and northern Brunei, the Middle East, the Arabian Peninsula, Croatia, and some smaller pacific islands. They also have a standing army of over 300,000 men (the next highest army I believe is Ming with a little over 150,000). All I'm asking is, "is this normal"?

What year is it, and what expansion do you have? Patch?

The Timurids are almost always supposed to collapse into massive revolts and eventually coalesce into Persia around 1460-1540ish or so. It is pretty unusual for them to be scary like that. Their tech and stab will be (ought to be, anyway) in the toilet, though, so I expect they'll collapse sooner or later. Who formed Scandinavia? Good to see Burgundy and France merrily tearing each other to shreds, and I can't deny the appeal of that Austroblob.

Prussia game, 1615, strong start that got kinda messed up by the Reformation and a series of unfortunate events following on from that.

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/9057/prussiaii1615.png

My game as Russia, 1452. Currently working on chipping away at the Golden Horde.

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb79/subesia/Russia1452.png

What year is it, and what expansion do you have? Patch?

The Timurids are almost always supposed to collapse into massive revolts and eventually coalesce into Persia around 1460-1540ish or so. It is pretty unusual for them to be scary like that. Their tech and stab will be (ought to be, anyway) in the toilet, though, so I expect they'll collapse sooner or later. Who formed Scandinavia? Good to see Burgundy and France merrily tearing each other to shreds, and I can't deny the appeal of that Austroblob.



It's IN with the latest patch.

It's about 1710, and I started sometime in the middle of the Hundred Years war. Though I haven't checked their stability, they seem to be teching fine and I haven't seen any large scale revolts in their country yet. Though on the other topic, Denmark formed Scandinavia and went crazy (taking northern Germany n all). They were my ally for the first half of the game (for reasons I'll explain later), but for some strange reason they canceled my alliance and now on and off they ban me from their COTs. I have no idea why. And I mean literally on and off, they will let me into their COT's, and then the next time they get a diplomat they cancel it.

Oh and the rest of Europe I guess can be the fault of some decisions I made early game. Basically to take down France (since I was at war with them) I allied with Burgundy. And as you can guess, we kicked total ass. Once I finished my war I demanded pretty much all of their southern provinces (the good ones) which effectively cut them off from the sea. Burgundy didn't gain anything from the war except a massive army, which they used to go and terrorized the small German nations. Eventually (you can't see it on this map) but Burgundy ended up owning everything from the Netherlands to pretty much all of Germany north of Italy. But of course, I decided that I was bored enough to invade Ireland (to try and unite it for a mission), and it was at this point Burgundy canceled their alliance and started sending insults. And this is at the point in which I became scared (since all of my provinces in France (Normadie, Caux, Calais, Provence, Limousin, Champagne, and all the other southern provinces) where at huge risk. My puny army was no match for the massive Burgundian one. So I decided to form alliances with all the big powers, which meant Scandinavia, Portugal, Spain, Austria, and Aragon. Which in the end meant that I ended up helping in all their wars of expansion, which really helped a lot (Aragon owns the Italian penn. and Western Africa, Austria's blobing, Scandinavia owns n. germany, Spain and Portugal are of course on a massive colonization spam, etc. etc.).

So with all these alliances, eventually when Austria (being the megalomaniacs that they are) declared war on Burgundy, I was able to take them down soundly. While Austria dealt with their massive 40,000 stacks on the Eastern front, I went and blitzed their Netherlands provinces (2 COTS!) and their French ones. And after they lost those (meant no reinforcements) Austria was able to clean up the mess in the East and take a bunch-load of their German provinces. Making them the massive blob that they are today. And that is probably the reason for Europe being owned by just a couple massive states (Burgundy, Aragon, Scandinavia, Austria, Ottomans, Lithuania, Spain, Portugal, etc. etc.).

oh btw, is there any way to get a close-up of the map? Because on the one I posted you can barely make-out Europe (Burgundy and my color are practically the same ).


EDIT: Just checked my game. The Timurids have a stability of +3 and seem to be teching well. So now I am quite frightened.

My Venetian game, 1567. (It's IN 3.1, I can't get the patch to install on Steam.) Just formed Italy last year, don't quite know where I should be heading next. Colonization has taken a big toll on my research, but I don't know if I have any opportunities in Europe.

So far colonization has only been me vs. Britain. Spain keeps sending ships to the Caribbean, but they never do anything. I've got half of Sri Lanka, and one thing off in like Khmer that's held by rebels and there's nothing I can do about it. >_>

That's an awesome imperial europe. Seems like Portugal is kicking in america...

I think that is Italian colonies... Unless that Green thing in Azteca is Portugal :eek2:

Nah, Portugal's gone - Britain didn't protect it like it did all the other Iberian minors. (It forced their release a while ago.) That's all Italian.

Wow, Persia's shape is almost aesthetically pleasing. That's kind of shocking for the new run of Paradox games.

Remember my portugal game where I got kicked out of the iberian pensylvania by spain, but luckily i owned whole north africa, south america and mali.

I've started to play as Munster. To generate income, I have built a massive trading empire, spanning five merchants in all European COTs (and a few African ones). Instead, I just decided to please England while waiting for the Azores to become a core. It has, now I'm colonizing Massachusetts and New York. Other areas I have colonized are Rio De Oro and Arguin, Cape Verde, Madeira, and the Canary Islands.

Oddities: Castille conquered Portugal, Russia seems to be at a balance (my bets are on Novgorod, I think they have the lucky tag). They thrashed Muscovy before the Horde came along and thrashed both of them. However, a well-timed Tribal Succession released uber-Zaporozhia, Tver, Yaroslavl, the Qasim Khanate, gave Novgorod some of its old territory back, and turned Muscovy from an OPM to its 1399 borders+Kholm and Pskov.

Map later, I need to finish my work.

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h50/Taniciusfox/1512Empire.png

The known world to Venice in 1512.

As Portugal and Castile expand their dominions overseas, Venice has been busy occupying Europe. Through her dual positions as the foremost European power - with nearly 100,000 soldiers and the ability to support more than twice as much, bonuses not included - and through her control of the Holy Roman crown, Venice has succeeded in merging her empire with that of the Germans'.

One reason behind Venice's rapid expansion has been that the former great powers of Europe - Austria and France - have embraced Reformism and Protestantism, respectively. Accordingly, Venice sliced them both up, with France in particular being on the way out, having almost no control over her southern regions. Venice has signed recent truces with both, and has designs on them in the near future.

Stemming the tide of the Reformation, Venice has adopted Unam Sanctam and the Counter-Reformation as official policies, and to show the emphasis on religion, she also continues to emply 3 6-star missionaries. In provinces like Kosovo, the convert chance is 50% a year as a result. To further stem the tide, she is liberally spanking the non-Catholics in the empire, regardless of the prestige hits this implies.

Currently, Venice has cores in Austrian, Ottoman, Yemeni, Algerian, and Ferrarese territory. This will reinforce Venice's role as the "Crusader" state of Europe...

...But her work is far from over. The First Power System(England, France, Poland-Lithuania, and the Ottoman Empire) gave way to
the Second Power System(France, Burgundy, Poland-Lithuania, Castile), and then to the Third Power System(Austria, France, Venice, Novgorod, Castile), and now it has lapsed into the Fourth Power System(Venice, Novgorod, Sweden, Castile, Persia), and Venice, in her constant quest for more power and influence, will inevitably butt heads with these fellow behemoths, two of which are former allies.

I started playing the demo after I got slightly hooked on Victoria (too buggy for me to really like that game). Had fun colonizing Virginia as Sweden. I get the feeling I won't really like this game if it doesn't have the breadth of Civ4, to go all the way to the 20th C.

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/3193/otto.png (http://img442.imageshack.us/i/otto.png/)


Okay, here is the problem in my Ottoman Game.

Poland, allied with Lithuania and Bohemia, declared war on me. Together, they muster up about 160,000 troops.

I have only 63,000 troops. I can at most support another 20,000 troops without going bust. With my Vassals, I can scrap up another 25,000 troops. 5000 troops are in Spain, to stop rebels. Another 4000 are in Yemen with the similar responsibility.

What should I do!!! The only other nation that can single-handlely take the Poland-Bohemia-Lithuanian Alliance is (duh) France with 150,000 troops.

I have devised two plans.

Plan A - Operation Valkyrie
Poland has the least provinces and the least men, 43,000 men. Warsaw is next to my vassal Hungary. I focus all my troop strength there and weed out men until they all die and then siege the crap out everything. I knock it out first while I let Bohemia swarm Ottoman Italy with troops from Czech Switzerland. Bohemia troops will also pour in from Austria. I or my vassals share no border with Lithuania.

Pros - Knock out weakest link, divide the Alliance
Cons - Two Front-War in Poland

Plan B - Operation Swiss Cheese
I let my vassal Hungary get overrun with Polish and Lithuanian troops. I focus my attack on Bohemia and force them to end the war as Alliance leader.

Pros - Easy to contain.

Cons - Even if I force them to deal peace, I will never get enough points to weaken it through annexation or liberation of a nation.

I have two Goals
1) Survive the war without conceding anything
2) Destroy the Alliance.

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/1291/asss.png (http://img263.imageshack.us/i/asss.png/)

Green - Ottoman Empire
Pink - The Empire's Vassals
Yellow - Alliance. It was the only nation I freed that did not drag me into any of its petty wars.

I started playing the demo after I got slightly hooked on Victoria (too buggy for me to really like that game). Had fun colonizing Virginia as Sweden. I get the feeling I won't really like this game if it doesn't have the breadth of Civ4, to go all the way to the 20th C.

There are mods (like WWM the one I'm working on, which expands timeline to 1918) that expand timeline into the 20th century.

The problem thoguh is that EU isn't compatable with the later era's with airships and all that stuff from the 20th century.

Also, HTTT DEMO IS OUT!!! :woohoo:

Oooh, never knew there was an EU3 thread here, and this is perfect because I just started getting into this game :D. Though from my current game (it's my second game over all and decided to play as Britain) I have one question, does the A.I. Timurid usually become a monster? It seems kinda of unsual how big they are in my game.

http://i767.photobucket.com/albums/xx313/Carwrex/EU3_MAP_GBR_1690116_2.jpg?t=1259988051

As you can see they own just about all of Central Asia. They also happen to own the eastern coast of Africa (excluding S. Africa which is mine), central India, the Philippines, Taiwan, southern and northern Brunei, the Middle East, the Arabian Peninsula, Croatia, and some smaller pacific islands. They also have a standing army of over 300,000 men (the next highest army I believe is Ming with a little over 150,000). All I'm asking is, "is this normal"?

In the game I played, they did the same thing. Then they were at war with China and India (Dehli Caliphate or whatever it was). I dogpiled on, and eventually they were split into several nations.

In the game I played, they did the same thing. Then they were at war with China and India (Dehli Caliphate or whatever it was). I dogpiled on, and eventually they were split into several nations.

Well, the Timurids did that same exact thing in my game (well at the war with China part) and ended up like this.

http://i767.photobucket.com/albums/xx313/Carwrex/EU3_MAP_GBR_181612_1.jpg?t=1260723059

When at war with them, the only provinces I was able to take were they East Asian colonies (Philippines, Taiwan, etc. etc.). Though the Ottomans looked like they were able to do some damage.

Austria is badass

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h50/Taniciusfox/1535Empire.png

After Austria's most recent spanking(they had 7 provinces in 1533; at the war's end, they had lost 1 province each to Italy, France, Armagnac, Toulouse and Guyenne), Europe is pretty solidly under Italian rule, I'd say.

The Iberians are of course continuing to spam colonists the world over. The Portuguese have vassalised Aragon, and given the tendency of the AI to rapidly annex states in this game, this will be an interesting development.

I predict turmoil will eventually engulf the Iberian peninsula, since a series of interlocking alliances make it so each state is aligned to the others on the peninsula except at least one. While Iberia's been stable for decades as a result of this, Portugal annexing Aragon will throw a wildcard into the equation, not to mention the fact two of Castile's provinces are Reformed. As well, Castile's cores on Granada, Galicia, and finally Armagnac will likely spell the end of peace in Iberia.

Hopefully, Armagnac, Toulouse and Guyenne will fight a Cold War against eachother, with each boasting two provinces at home and one province in the former Austrian Lowlands. One of them(I think it was Guyenne) is also Reformed, and so this just invites wars of religion. Italy will, of course, see to it that the Catholic states of the south are protected from Reformist or Castilian aggression... one day, one day, Italy will have to butt heads with Castile in order to assert herself as the ruler of Western Europe..

The Muslim powers, meanwhile, have developed a habit of making alliances across continents. Songhai is aligned with the Ottomans and other faraway powers. As Italy has a core on Songhai's coastline(read: colonisation opportunities come much quicker), this would enable Italy to gain ground on several fronts, with much less badboy than fighting another war in Europe(Italy has about 13.5 badboy).

In due time, Sweden and Novgorod will form Scandinavia and Russia, respectively, and these states will pick up the slack as Italy's rivals once the Castilians are dealt with.

How do you make your map like that? With the black borders and everything?

I just use a photo editor to recreate the approximate borders of my Terra Incognita. o.o

In WWM you could probably form the EU in the future. :p (WWM also allows you to restore the Rome empire)

...If that becomes compatible with Heir to the Throne, I will certainly get it and use it for my evil ends. :evil:

It will.

We are giving it so much extra juice as well.

Redone Catalonia, France, England, Poland, Bohemia, Balkans, Turkey, Netherlands, Italy and Germany are all included. Bolded is what we have done/are doing for 4.0(first version for HTTT). And all that is just in Europe.

We are also hopefully going to get some extra sexy flags for numerious nations. :)

I highly suggest you try WWM's India. India is as good and detailed as Europe(Japan as well, much more detailed, like 20 or so nations), and in 4.0, we are going to have Borneo taken to the extreme. :)

I take it that besides adding more provinces to actually give the smaller countries a snowball's chance in hell of a fair fight, it is also to make the borders much better looking? You can count on me to check that out. :)

Will you be including Lesbos as part of Genoa by any chance? I don't know why, but that was one thing I liked from my brief foray into Magna Mundi..

Yes, We somehow forgot to include Genoese islands in the Aegian in the last version. :crazyeye:

It will be included in 4.0 with a *fixed* Aegian sea, because right now it is kinda meh.


And yes, we do fix up the borders of nations. This is what I did to the Balkans:
http://i47.tinypic.com/2zsmm4z.png

Since than, Slovakia was redone as well as Poland/Ukraine/Baltics. :)

http://i50.tinypic.com/2r3cqrc.jpg

My badboy is over 300, but for some insane reason, Switzerland, the traditionally neutral country with an honorable rep, offered me an alliance when I was in two wars. :crazyeye:

Your denmark and you haven't conquered the Baltics? :eek:

Your denmark and you haven't conquered the Baltics? :eek:

I'm playing Vanilla so I can't form a country, I guess. Had no interest in Scandinavia anyway.

Anyway, I did conquer two or four provinces in the very beginning.

I'm talking about the Baltic States, which Denmark and Sweden creamed over for a few hundred years.

You mean the Teutonic Order? :p

They're next after Poland-Lithuania

I'm playing Vanilla so I can't form a country, I guess. Had no interest in Scandinavia anyway.

Anyway, I did conquer two or four provinces in the very beginning.

Ahh... that explains it. I was wondering how the hell you were able to conquer all of Germany by 1466... wait a second, what year does the game start in Vanilla?

It starts on 29th May 1453. The day Constantinople was conquered by the Ottoman Empire.

It starts on 29th May 1453. The day Constantinople was conquered by the Ottoman Empire.

Now I'm even more stunned! In ten years you were able to conquer all that! :eek2:

Now I'm even more stunned! In ten years you were able to conquer all that! :eek2:

:lol:

http://i49.tinypic.com/208iogn.png

my plans now are to annex Lorraine, Milan, Savoy, and then invade France. Burgundy first, if they don't give me military access. :devil:

Denmark controls 600,000+ soldiers and 120 odd ships.

To fully reinforce all of my armies would take 260K men, and 100 will reach my armies this month :lol:

Riga and Pskov allied with me shortly after I made peace with the Teutons and Lithuanians.

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h50/Taniciusfox/1548WorldMap.png

Nearly halfway into the 16th century, Italy has finally exiled the Habsburgs to Gloucestershire and seized Vienna, while she has also butchered Trier a little bit more.

What is interesting is that three wars interlinked with eachother:

Italy first attacked the German state of Cleves, which was Reformed and which was an Italian core. This prompted Guyenne, Luneburg, and Trier to form a futile alliance against Italy, which was promptly crushed.

While this was going on, the old fart heading Toulouse died, willing his crown to Italy, prompting a succession crisis where Italy and Morocco went against Portugal, Castile, England, Galicia and Oyo. This war eventually ended with Portugal parting with her Mediterranean territories and renouncing claims to Toulouse(which had expanded to take Rhodes despite being a non-coastal country), while Castile ceded her eastern coastline and her colony of Ivory Coast. Galicia accepted vassalage, and England surrendered East Anglia, isolating London(before the English changed their capital to Lancashire).

Before that war had concluded, however, the Swedes attacked weakened Luneburg, and Italy's former enemies called upon Vittore I, Emperor of the Italian and Holy Roman Empires, for protection. Vittore I "failed" to protect Luneburg from annexation, but took advantage of Sweden's mostly-infantry army to cripple the forces of Gustav I Adolf, forcing him to retreat to Sweden and cede all territories south of Slesvig. As a bonus, besides his army being reduced to only around 10,000 men, he returned to a burning Swedish Empire, at -1 stability with numerous rebellions, especially a strong Norwegian nationalist movement.

The Holy Roman Empire is nearly centralised, and Iberia is falling into the Italian sphere of influence... can anybody stop Italy?

Did you change Denmarks color?

First game with HttT. Playing as England. I lucked out with France, as they went and used a reconquest casus belli on me while I was invading Scotland, with a mission of vassalizing them. After vassalizing Scotland, I redeployed all my soldiers to the continent, and got a new mission of occupying Paris. I managed to beat back the French armies and occupy Paris, giving me cores on all of northern France. So I managed to beat France and gain most of northern France without gaining any infamy. And Spain is just a mess, which might be slightly my fault, as I destroyed the Castille army while aiding my former Portuguese allies, creating a giant power vacuum on the peninsula. Castille has collapsed something like 5 times in the last 30 years.

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb79/subesia/England1444.png

First game with HttT. Playing as England. I lucked out with France, as they went and used a reconquest casus belli on me while I was invading Scotland, with a mission of vassalizing them. After vassalizing Scotland, I redeployed all my soldiers to the continent, and got a new mission of occupying Paris. I managed to beat back the French armies and occupy Paris, giving me cores on all of northern France. So I managed to beat France and gain most of northern France without gaining any infamy. And Spain is just a mess, which might be slightly my fault, as I destroyed the Castille army while aiding my former Portuguese allies, creating a giant power vacuum on the peninsula. Castille has collapsed something like 5 times in the last 30 years.

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb79/subesia/England1444.png

Another war against France. Took Ile-de-France, and forced them to release Guyenne, which cut off their capital from all of their other provinces, which soon revolted from France, causing it to collapse into a one province minor in Poitou.

Also, I just inherited the throne of Denmark. All 5 Danish provinces have been annexed to the English throne. :yeah:

England's got a nice situation with France - since they have core on Île-de-France, they have a perpetual Reconquest CB.

Burgundy, 1425 (HTTT). They're pretty easy on start, since now all they have separating the halves is an OPM they already have core on. I got a string of conquest missions up till like 1408 letting me get practically half of the Low Countries. I'm trying to slowly break France (I just got Toulouse and some OPM released, but they then diplo-annexed Auvergne.)

In other news, Morocco has blobbed the crap out of North Africa, Poland is in a union under Bavaria, Napoli is creeping up the Italian peninsula and Austria is about to slaughter my ally Brittany in a succession war over Savoy.

Great Britain in 1491
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb79/subesia/gbr1491.png

And my sphere of influence
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb79/subesia/gbr1491soa.png

Now I'm even more stunned! In ten years you were able to conquer all that! :eek2:
It should have been obvious that he was cheating from looking at his builds, much less the territory he controlled.

http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/3473/asafafas.png

My first EUIII game with Burgundy. Black lines indicate borders of myself and allies.

I have a question: how do I get my inflation down??

I don't understand how that works.... and my inflation is about 80% so that is pretty awfull.

I have a question: how do I get my inflation down??

I don't understand how that works.... and my inflation is about 80% so that is pretty awfull.

There's some tips in this thread:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=336768

And yeah, 80% is really really bad. You shouldn't really be going above 10% or so except in emergencies (some people try to keep it at 0 all the time, but IMO that's a massive waste. A small amount of inflation doesn't hurt much, and the extra money you get can easily make up for it if invested well - e.g. armies for conquest. That said, I wouldn't mint purely for the sake of doing so.)

It should have been obvious that he was cheating from looking at his builds, much less the territory he controlled.

Oh, I did notice the amount of money he had, which made me somewhat suspicious. Though I didn't even know there was any cheats, it just doesn't seem like the "cheating" type of game :dunno:

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h50/Taniciusfox/1556Map.png

Europe and it's surrounding regions in 1556.

Having just whacked Catholic Granada, Castile, Portugal, and annexed the Papal States in Avignon, Italy has graduated to "very bad reputation" status. Portugal surrendered it's Aragonese territories and some money, while Castile surrendered it's wealthy trade center of Andalucia and all of her African coastline except for one province. Granada gave up Gibraltar, and so it's expected the Castilian Empire in Africa will collapse in the near future, as the Castilians will not be able to effectively put down the usual post-war revolts short of transporting troops to Africa.

Black lines indicate overall borders of the Italian Empire, with red being vassal states/unions inside the empire.

The mess of lines in the East is meant to indicate the overlapping territories and cores of Persia(one of the three Empires in the game alongside Italy and Castile), Rajputana(overlord of India), and Italy. War is likely to erupt somewhere in this region in the near-future.

I find that I tend to deliberately curtail expansion if the borders are ugly. So I expand a lot less quickly than I ought to.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=237989&d=1261355804

This could be a mildy difficult "Which Nation am I?" Am I Rajputana--> India and did I watch amazed as Japan totally destroyed Ming China? Or am I Japan who dismissively saw Rajputana happen to be the power in charge for long enough to form India and hates them for sicking my prestige with wars that only hurt my colonial African holdings? They (India) are the about the third power to control a good chunk of the required provinces and still haven't completely tamed the south. Or am I the Brunei who has seen bette days but is now a little constricted because Japan is guarenteeing all of Indochina AND is allied with India?

The mod is my own custom one that only adds India with Sardinia-Piedmont's colors and still doesn't have correct flags.

The year is 1657.

Your Great Britain. :p

Forming the HRE is WAY too easy.

Formerly Burgundy, January 4, 1492.

Muscovy has blobbed Sweden near to death, and before I became the HRE Aquileia (of all places) was blobbing its way through Hungary. The reason the Ottomans have bits of Egypt is not because they took it from the Mamluks, but the English. France is mostly mine because of all of the minors I released joining the HRE. And yes, that is me in Central America.

Maybe it's time to start playing Hard difficulty now...

Badboy?

Great Britain 1548. My colonies in the southern United States, Cuba, and South America were just taken from Portugal in a war.

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb79/subesia/Britain1548.png

Wat's up in Asia? :crazyeye:

MMP2, Bohemia, circa 1750:

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a251/Phrox/EU/EU3_MAP_BOH_1751124_1.jpg

Pretty much happy with my nation as it is, might try to vassalise/diploannex some HRE states if I end up at war with them, but otherwise, I'm probably sticking with what I've got. The same seems to apply to the other major powers in Europe, there hasn't really been much conflict in the last 50-60 years, except for feuding HRE minors, and a battle between Spain and Portugal/Norway, which the latter two won.

Wat's up in Asia? :crazyeye:

Persia collapsed and Delhi overran northern India and Tibet

England's a downright beast in that game!

I find that I tend to deliberately curtail expansion if the borders are ugly. So I expand a lot less quickly than I ought to.

Very true. Ugly borders can also make me declare war to fix them.

In my current Ottoman Game, Im rejecting to hold on to anything above the Danube, the Po and the Pyrenees, prefering to gift them, vassalise them or release them.

Here's a pretty good "guess who I am".

http://i767.photobucket.com/albums/xx313/Carwrex/EU3_MAP_ITA_16581117_1.jpg?t=1261708132

Could I be:

- The Golden Horde, pushing their way into Eastern Europe?
- The Lithuanians, holding back the Horde?
- The Ottomans, making their way into Hungary while holding onto remote possessions in Central Asia?
- The newly formed Mughals, taking charge in India?
- The Italians, pushing their way up the Rhine and destroying Burgundy?
- The Japanese, taking down the Ming?
- The Koreans, (who you can't see in the picture) but now own all of Eastern China?

The year's 1658 by the way.

Why do the Ottomans have territory in Tibet and Kazakhstan??? :confused:

I say you're Italy.

I'd have to agree. I can't see any way that an AI could form Italy and still have a powerful France and to weaken Austria by itself.

Given that the filename is EU3_MAP_ITA_16581117_1.jpg, I think you're right :p

Damn file names, forgot to change it. :) Anyways you are correct, I am Italy. Though I still find it pretty messed up ho well Korea is doing. Usually they end up getting split up by Ming and Manchu, but in my game they're owning Ming while Japan owns Manchu. It's crazy. :crazyeye:

edit: and about the Ottomans, that's not them in Tibet (just another similar colored country, forgot who). But for the stuff in Central Asia, I guess they took it after a little war with the Timurids.

editedit: The only reason France is alive is because they are my only steady ally. Without them, they was no way I would have even been able to take out Burgundy. Though they never contributed all that much, they mostly had to deal with constant revolts in the provinces.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=238808&stc=1&d=1262216416

It should be pretty clear who I am:

I'm either Austria, who after finishing kicking Turkey out of Europe got tied down in a BB war with Castille and associates...or

I'm India who finally finished marginalizing the Timurids and fighting off Japan.


http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=238805&stc=1&d=1262215670
The colonies should have given it away...
Interesting things this game:
-By far the most interesting in this game, was the huge Austria that became (though I haven't played THAT much) the first nation I've seen to break the Reputation limit
-But the strangest thing was Great Britain getting paralyzed by rebels. They got revolutionary rebels around 1750 and stayed that way until the end, unfortunately for them never getting invaded during the time. Louisiana is still at war with them from thier revolution.
-Poland got shrunk down to only two provinces, but recovered to have most of north Germany before Austria seperated them into many little Polands (Looks like five pieces at the end)
-Brabant was one province away from forming the Netherlands, but that province belonged to Austria, so they had no real hope of actually going further.
-Because the Austrians were routinely stomping Turkey, the Golden Horde was actually more of a threat than the Turks, despite a smaller army and worse tech group.
-I only got most of Khiva because Yemen DoWed near the end and Khiva joined (also why I took Najran from them)
-Japan had -3 stability twice before finally the Ming came back. Their empire was largely temporary though, they had no culture shifts and not a single conversion. Korea and Manchu broke off first, but Japan managed to regain most of Korea. When the Ming brooke off, Japan then both of them together, were easy pickings.
-I really shouldn't have those two provinces that look like they should be in the Ottoman Empire. They accepted a deal giving me those provinces, a renounce on almost all cores now outside their empire, and the release of Bosnia and Serbia. My warscore was 0%.
-France was amazingly quiet during this game. When they took their Spanish provinces, I thought they would be as bad as usual, but I don't think they did much else besides peacefully colonize and ignore Austria.
-Europe really hated Brunei. After I came in, and took their provinces by Tibet, Europe released nations and beat them into what the other Indonesians could take over.

Guess who I am:

http://i46.tinypic.com/250np1e.jpg

Could I be the Byzantines, who greatly weakened the Ottoman Empire and took back most of the Aegean?
Could I be Tver, on the rise after being a two-province minor?
Could I be England, rising unscathed from the Hundred Years' War?
Could I be the Knights, who hammered the final nail in the Ottomans' coffin?
Could I be Ethiopia, who trounced Adal?
Could I be Hedjaz, the main power in the Arabian Peninsula?
Or could I be Mutapa, taking all of Swahili?

Novgorod?

Byzantium ofc ;)

Nay and nay. Not even the Byzantines.

The Knights

Yep. Just diplo-annexed Karaman and conquered Adana (and Antioch too).

I just got Heir to the Throne... I haven't played much EU III yet so I still sort of suck in general at it. This must be why I decided to play as Tibet (I must be a tard).

It's now 1550 and all I've managed is losing two provinces. I've been walked over about three times. I regained some of my provinces through revolts... My inflation was 17% at some point, managed to get it down to 11%... Still going down. A lot of fast-forwarding. My population is 10 times lower than the neighbouring provinces. I spent 30 years as Korea's vassal until it got annexed by Manchu. This is going well.

Generally nations outside of Europe (and maybe India) aren't much fun to play as because either A. You get stomped by Ming or B. You get stomped by one of the European colonial powers. For people who aren't too good at the game the most commonly mentioned "newbie" nations are England and Castille. Both are fairly rich and have many options to expand early on and have few nearby threats until France gets large (which seems to be less likely in Heir to the Throne. Another one that's commonly suggested are Sweden or Norway but they start in a personal union with Denmark in 1399 so I'm not sure if they're still good newbie nations.

Milan starts very well-off, but if you (try to) expand, Bohemia brings 50,000 men and kicks your ass. I learned that the hard way :lol:

What about Aragon? Seems like they might be a decent starter?

I started as Bohemia once and it was going well... As for my Tibet game, strangely, I got swarmed by Assam, Gondwana and Korea, but Ming has left me alone for now. They even fought alongside me for a while... I started badly, quickly racking up depts because I had a pretender event right at the start with no army to take care of it.

Generally nations outside of Europe (and maybe India) aren't much fun to play as because either A. You get stomped by Ming or B. You get stomped by one of the European colonial powers.

This is true to some extent, but there are definitely some non-European nations worth playing. Indian states are great fun, as are some of the Middle Eastern nations (see my Persia game earlier in this thread). Further east, Malacca is a fun one, while Japan (particularly with MMP2) is always good. Even some of the central asian nations like the Uzbecks can lead to good, albeit challenging, games. America and sub-Saharan Africa though are indeed not much fun.

I'm playing a game as Ireland (formed it), but I seem to not be able to build ships anymore. I don't know if I bugged the game (all of my galleys sunk like 1 ocean section away from the coast), but my core provinces can't build ships for the life of them. So, I'm stuck with 13 ships...

And I can't establish colonies on islands now (only provinces adjacent to a provence). I could initially colonize islands and other unclaimed territories, but couldn't after finding the Iroquois.

On top of that, I still can't seem to diplo-annex a vassal (no one wants to be annexed, I guess...). I tried with England 4 times, and figured it was quicker just to conquer them.

I'm probably stupid asking this, but what game is this?

I'm probably stupid asking this, but what game is this?Europa Universalis III, it is a very fun game!
You can be any nation from 1453 to 1821. The expantions extend to starting date to 1399.

Europa Universalis III, it is a very fun game!
You can be any nation from 1453 to 1821. The expantions extend to starting date to 1399.

1453 to 1789 in vanilla, actually.

Ah, I'm good without it. Trying out Mini ninjas, pretty fun.

I really have a hard time keeping my economy afloat. Maybe it's because I feel compelled to do too many things when I start a game?

I just started as Sweden. I had a 4000 men army and that's it. So my first moves were to colonize one territory up north that had silver, hire a couple of advisers and increase my army to 8000 men. And that's it, I'm losing money.

Lower your army/naval maintainable rates during peacetime? Getting rid of any military divisions you don't need during peacetime will help - even in an unexpected outbreak of war armies can be raised fairly easily.

Lower your army/naval maintainable rates during peacetime? Getting rid of any military divisions you don't need during peacetime will help - even in an unexpected outbreak of war armies can be raised fairly easily.

I did this in my previous game as Tibet and the next thing I know I have three countries ganging up on me. And I see all my neighbours with standing armies all the time, I wonder how they deal with that on THEIR budget.

Here is my current game as the Byzantine empire.

After I rightfuly took back some of my Greek Islands, I lost my fleet to Venice. I had to quickly rebuild it because the silly Ottomans Dowed me. After a few hard fought years I had occupied the eastern half of the OE. After two more years the OE went bankrupt so I was able to occupie the entire OE. They are now not much of a theat.

Who do you guys consider the best nation to start as? I just bought EUIII complete (no HttT, unfortunately...:sad:) and am completely inept. I have no idea what I'm doing half the time.

Who do you guys consider the best nation to start as? I just bought EUIII complete (no HttT, unfortunately...:sad:) and am completely inept. I have no idea what I'm doing half the time.Play as France to get a hang of the game.

Castille, France and England are generally regarded as the best 'starter nations'

I haven't played EU3 for over a year, and before that I had very little time to play anyway. So with some free time and a new computer I started playing as France to help me refamiliarize myself with the game.

DoW England to try to get England to give up Gascony and fulfill my mission. I took all of their continental territories (Brest, Gascony, and Savoy, except Calais) and they still won't settle for anything more than a white peace. In the peace screen it turns out each province is worth around 20 - 30 war score, so to get England to give up a couple of provinces would require 50+ war score and an invasion and occupation of half of England, more if I want Savoy as well. It's ridiculous. 'm allied with Castile, but Aragon is allied with England and Burgundy, and England with Portugal. If England and Burgundy sign an alliance the encirclement would be complete.

I loaded up a save and tried a landing to see how I would fare. Out of 10,000 men around 3,000 are left by the end of the year, and then wiped out by the English army. How can I improve the supply?

Got EU3:complete over holidays. So far:

1. Mali is unplayable. Basically just a bunch of animist revolutions while hoping to somehow reach N. Africa for some neighbor tech bonuses, and higher Trade and Gov't tech. So much for a Africa colonized S. America first game.

2. Had a fun game as France. Turned the initial "kick out England" mission into a "Ally with Castille, and take down Portugal". Would be an interesting start for France-dominated colonization period. Problem is I warred too long, and actually getting England to give up all 3 french possession takes an Operation Sea Lion.

3. Moscovy: fun for a while, but conquering Islamic provinces is not worth the reward. Allying with Novgorod seems to just benefit Novgorod, other than helping Moscow survive against the steppe riders. Probably I'll try a Russia goal from Novgorod role.

4. Had a fun Castille game too. Ignored the Spanish goal, and just took out Algiers and most of Morroco, with help from Portugal. Transitioned to Empire, then colonized abouts Guiana. Was new to the rules and the importance of colonial range, so though I had a perfect storm in beating Portugal to colonizations (I even grabbed canaries, et al), the long wait to boosting colonial range through tech and advisors let Portugal dominate the Carribean. Also had a pointless, unreasonable, unwanted succession war with England which upset my island possessions some. Probably worth a second try.

5. Had some minor reunify Italy games, playing Venice or Genoa. A venice-genoa alliance is an interesting strategy, that I'd like to try. Haven't quite mastered this, since Austrian alliances with neighbors usually dominates. Anyone had an Austria-unifies-italy game?

I had tried it from the perspective of the Mamalukes too, but their inability to avoid despotic pretenders pretty much ruins their potential, though their peace and position start makes them very good for pinching off smaller Mediterranean islands. I found Crete is perfect to take, and their Men at Arms units are prefereed. Found the christian zealots of Athens makes it really hard to progress beyond there though, even with Ottoman support.

I really have a hard time keeping my economy afloat. Maybe it's because I feel compelled to do too many things when I start a game?

I just started as Sweden. I had a 4000 men army and that's it. So my first moves were to colonize one territory up north that had silver, hire a couple of advisers and increase my army to 8000 men. And that's it, I'm losing money.

I'm still quite new (on 3rd game as Sweden) but have economic problems with Sweden as well.

Note that Österbotten is a colony from start. Until it's self-sustaining it will take some maintenance each month (add Lappland to that if you colonize it). Not sure if it's cheaper to send colonists to make it selfsustaining asap or simply let it grow by itself though. :undecide: You can decrease the maintenance with a slider setting but that will decrease growth as well.

Since Sweden is in a personal union with Denmark at the start I usually avoid building troops until I'm independent. As long as relations with Novgorod is good the risk for war is quite low. Eventually Denmark will start a war, perhaps with Teutonic Order. That means Sweden is in war as well and can take war taxes while keeping out of battle.

Saving/borrowing money and build a CoT in Stockholm seems to help a bit. The only time I'm rich is usually directly after a war with a country that could give money in the peace deal.

My current game as Malacca (MMP2, 1453 start). I'd reached 1728 before I was so rudely interrupted by my copy of ME2 coming through the letterbox :p

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a251/Phrox/EU/EU3_MAP_MLC_172815_2.jpg

What you can't see from that is that Ming is almost completely occupied by rebels and the various revolting minors, as a result of a devastaing war with me that left them with 45 WE. :goodjob:

That green in France and Ireland is the Ottoman Empire :lol:

I've just picked up EU III second hand, and have been playing through as Portugal. It's 1501. I've found it's quite a learning curve, but I think I'm doing OK - I have most of the caribbean area sewn up with just a few French (in Brazil) and English (some of the islands) colonies dotted around. I'm allied with Castille and England and at peace with everyone else, save an occasional phony war on behalf of an ally. Am considering an aggressive war against either one of the native powers or France ATM.

I have a question for anyone who plays the game: How much do the expansion packs add to the game? I've only got the basic version ATM, but having enjoyed what I've seen I'm considering maybe getting Victoria or the expensions to EU III. Also, are there user made mods that anyone plays that improve the gameplay significantly?

Cheers in advance for any advice. :) Hope this isn't considered a threadjack.

All the expansions are good, but perhaps not completely necessary... Napoleons ambitions upspeed is awesome if you play as a slow-building nation.

I have a question for anyone who plays the game: How much do the expansion packs add to the game? I've only got the basic version ATM, but having enjoyed what I've seen I'm considering maybe getting Victoria or the expensions to EU III. Also, are there user made mods that anyone plays that improve the gameplay significantly?

It's worth getting the expansions. They add so much to the game. The first two are must haves and there is only one reason not to get HTTT which I'll come too, and even that won't last for long.

As for mods, well, the daddy is Magna Mundi Platinum 2. It's often billed as a historical mod, but it adds a huge amount to the gameplay too - generally making things harder and more complex. Personally, I love it, though I know many find it too restrictive (for me, that restriction is a good thing - when I do achieve big things, it's all the more sweeter for having "beaten the game" as it were). Currently, it's not compatible with HTTT, hence my earlier comment.

Other popular ones include Whole World Mod, which removes the unexplorable areas (though I find in doing this, it unbalances the game too much, and makes it laughably easy), and SRI (forget exactly what it stands for, but it's sorta like MMP lite - good as a "first mod" for EU3)

Just finished my Italian game (from earlier in the thread)

http://i767.photobucket.com/albums/xx313/Carwrex/EU3_MAP_ITA_182111_1.jpg?t=1265060831

A couple very strange things happened in this game which I thought were pretty interesting.

One, out of no where (and I have no idea how) Lithuania became a total beast. For the longest time they had the second largest army in the world (trailing behind me of course) until the Ottomans surpassed them late game.

Another oddity was that France was a total wimp throughout the entire game. I originally allied with them waaaay back early game (late 1400's) thinking they would be a great war ally, and out of a little fear. But instead all I got was a nation that was constantly under revolt, was technologically backward, never colonized and never conquered. At most they helped me when they themselves distracted Burgundy so I could sweep in a take their cities, other than that they sucked. Once again I have no idea how this happened.

Third, I single handily (through spies) caused all the colonial revolutionary states you see in the map. That includes America (in Newfoundland), Quebec (Quebec), Canada (scattered throughout the Midwest, and Australia), Louisiana (Florida and Trinidad), Creek (Alabama), Mexico (Mexico), Colombia (Colombia), Peru (Peru), Paraguay (Paraguay), Chile (Chile), Brazil (Brazil), Venezuela (one Antilles island and South Africa), and Haiti (one Antilles island). I did this through constantly keeping Spain and Britain at a -3 stability rating and sponsoring revolts.

Fourth, Korea did exceptionally well, for well, being Korea. AS you can see from the map they were able to take a good chunk of Southern China and Northern Southeastern Asia (:D).

Fifth, the Ottomans did pretty good too. Seizing a good portion of Arabia, and Central Asia. The Ottomans and I (we were good allies) seized a good portion of Africa, especially after they inherited the Mali. We also colonized a bit, splitting up the Indies, the Philippines, and Eastern Russia.

A sixth and final oddity was how advanced I was compared to everyone else. By the end of the game, I was teching around 65 for eveything, while the rest of Europe (and the world) was only in their 30's. In fact, the only other country that wasn't in their 30's was Sweden, who was up to par with me (they were also teching in the 60's), but whats strange was how Sweden was able to accomplish this. I mean from looking at the map, they only have 2 provinces (Stockholm, and that one waaaaay in northern Scandinavia). And as of now, I still have no idea how they were able to tech that fast.

In conclusion, 'twas a very interesting game as nothing went as it usually does. I experimenting a lot with spies (with some rather mixed results) and being aggressive, as usually I'm somewhat a pacifist when it comes to these games (and I have no idea why). All in all, it was really satisfying to watch as I expanded (along with my 2 allies) while the rest of the world crumbled into revolt.

It's worth getting the expansions. They add so much to the game. The first two are must haves and there is only one reason not to get HTTT which I'll come too, and even that won't last for long.

As for mods, well, the daddy is Magna Mundi Platinum 2. It's often billed as a historical mod, but it adds a huge amount to the gameplay too - generally making things harder and more complex. Personally, I love it, though I know many find it too restrictive (for me, that restriction is a good thing - when I do achieve big things, it's all the more sweeter for having "beaten the game" as it were). Currently, it's not compatible with HTTT, hence my earlier comment.

Other popular ones include Whole World Mod, which removes the unexplorable areas (though I find in doing this, it unbalances the game too much, and makes it laughably easy), and SRI (forget exactly what it stands for, but it's sorta like MMP lite - good as a "first mod" for EU3)I think the expansions are must haves with out MMP.
SRI changes how the Holy Roman Empire works.

Here is an update from my Byzantine game. Denmark has a large empire.

SRI changes how the Holy Roman Empire works.

And a whole load of other things too. Though it did indeed start with the HRE and name does comes from a really bad Latin translation of HRE. Can't remember exactly what though :p

Used to play it a lot before I got into MMP. Adds some nice features and helps cut down on some of the really stupid blobbing of vanilla, without being totally overwhelming.

You always have to have the prior expansions installed to play an expansion pack anyway. If you want to play Heir to the Throne, you'll need the other 2 previous expansions installed... So in order:

Vanilla --> Napoleon's Ambitions --> In Nomine --> Heir to the Throne.

i.e./e.g.: You can play with In Nomine only if you have Napoleon's ambition. You need everything to play HttT

I can tell you how my EU2 game is going.
As China I am planning on a world conquest.
China is full of events every decade about some Lee Ching Rebellion or Hung Chung independence.
So I have to temper my expansionism for at least 30 years :((((
Using my starting explorer, Zheng He.
Historically, Zheng was supposed to sail to africa and Arabia. I turned him right around and sent him east, across the pacific ocean.
There I found california.
So I will begin colonizing California, so that when Spain gets Christopher Columbus and begins to set sail for New World, China will already have colonies.
This will give me the head start I need to colonize all of America. Then conquer Europe.
I will bypass Asia as I don't want to deal with Shinto, Buddishts and Hindus. Christians are the easier because they are simply Christian to China and not Orthodox, Catholic, Counter-Reform, Reform, and Protestant.
So I will use North America as a landing pad to begin invasion of Europe.
:)

I hate this game. It's too addictive. I was up until 5:00 in the morning, colonizing and expanding and warring. My girlfriend got quite annoyed at that point and forced me to get to bed. Thanks to Love, PhroX et al with regard to advice on the expansions and mods.

How my game is going - I have even more of the caribbean now, and have started taking provinces off other powers. My ally England pulled me into a war against France and I used it as an excuse to take all their colonies (and destroy all their armies) in the New World. I'm just eying up a possible strike on the French mainland now, though Castille and England have largely beaten me to the punch.

My latest EU3:HTTT game. Started as Milan. Year is 1637. Formed Italy in 1508, though it took me longer to aquire the southern provicnes (Napoli and Sicily). Trouble at the moment as France and Austria are allied so I can't aqquire the Italian provicnes udner their control, and Burgandy is pretty strong as well so not much chance for expansion northwards. Hence have gone into North Africa instead.

1st time i've ever formed Italy in a game so bit inexperianced as to what to do next with them.

http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/1671/eu3game.png

Ooooh, that's bad. I just finished an Italian game and probably the most important thing I did (to secure my future strength) was to take out Austria early. Because eventually they would become a ginormous roadblock in the way of securing Germany. Right now I'd think your goal would be not to take N. Africa (the provinces there aren't very good) but aim at taking down that French-Austrian alliance. And since you probably can't do that on your own, I suggest spending a majority of you time trying to ally with any potential military power that could help. For example, my alliance with the Ottomans in my game saved my ass multiple times, as they usually are up to par with tech and army size.

Then again I'm still kinda a newbie at this game, so, I don't know if you want to take my advice that seriously. :dunno:

Arg!! I just bought EU:For the Glory, when seeing it was on sale at Gamersgate, thinking it was Heir to the Throne. :smoke: :gripe:

Ooooh, that's bad. I just finished an Italian game and probably the most important thing I did (to secure my future strength) was to take out Austria early. Because eventually they would become a ginormous roadblock in the way of securing Germany. Right now I'd think your goal would be not to take N. Africa (the provinces there aren't very good) but aim at taking down that French-Austrian alliance. And since you probably can't do that on your own, I suggest spending a majority of you time trying to ally with any potential military power that could help. For example, my alliance with the Ottomans in my game saved my ass multiple times, as they usually are up to par with tech and army size.

Then again I'm still kinda a newbie at this game, so, I don't know if you want to take my advice that seriously. :dunno:
There aren't really any military powers capable of taking them on at the moment. North Africa is really easy it conquer and extra provinces means I cna have larger armies so thats why i'm doing that. I reckon my bet chance is to wait for the alliance to break and attack Austria and steal some of their southern provinces.

Notice France and Great Bristian (despite warring with each other) have taken most of Spain as well! Great Britain seems happy to be my ally though which is good.

There aren't really any military powers capable of taking them on at the moment. North Africa is really easy it conquer and extra provinces means I cna have larger armies so thats why i'm doing that. I reckon my bet chance is to wait for the alliance to break and attack Austria and steal some of their southern provinces.


That's a good strategy in the mean time, though there still is the chance they might dogpile you, so I still recommend alliances. Ally even if they aren't a military power, as long as if you get into a potential conflict they can kinda draw attention away from you, so you can go in and slice and dice their armies. Looking at the map, I guess the best allies would be Britain (though I'll explain their problem below), Burgundy (get your relation up enough too, they can easily distract France so you can move into their southern provinces), and Bohemia (I think that's what I'm looking at, it's basically Austria's Burgundy).


Notice France and Great Bristian (despite warring with each other) have taken most of Spain as well! Great Britain seems happy to be my ally though which is good.

It does seem like a good move, though really the only problem with Britain is their very low manpower compared to France. So in your situation, any ally is great, just make sure to have more than one to back you up, as one won't do the trick.

Yeah Bohemia's been doing pretty well, i'm trying to get them to ally with me but it's taking awhile.

Well, I can't post a screenshot because I'm not using In Nomine but for my first game I started with the Maldives in 1453. It took me a very long time to begin to get anywhere but eventually I discovered and colonised the island of Diego Garcia, soon after I managed to colonise Bourbon and then in quick succession Mauritius and Mahe.

Once I had a small economy sprouting from my new colonies, if you could call them that, I built a transport fleet and hired some mercenaries to invade Ceylon. I occupied the north and forced the south to be my vassal, before I really knew how the game worked but it seemed to work out fine.

With my tiny island confederacy secure I turned my attention to the wars on the Indian mainland, which I'd been a part of since beginning the game but never set foot on the sub-continent itself to actually join in.

Allied with Sind and the north India power player, Dehli I joined in my first real war, venturing through Sindi lands to take the last province of Rajputna, Jaipur. After annexing Rajputna and gaining my first piece of land on the mainland I was thrown into a turmoil of a century of intermittant fighting between Vijayanar and the northern coalition of Deccan, Dehli, Sind and myself.

Deccan fell, and Dehli began to weaken, Sind seemed to lack the military muscle to back anykind of attack against Vijayanar who now owned most of India barring the extreme north, the dying realm of Dehli and the extreme west, an amalgamam of Sindi, Maldive and Gujarat lands.

Across the border of what is modern day Pakistan I got to watch in horror as the Timurid Empire crumbled underneath a monster of a faction (I'll edit their name in as I've forgotten it.)

I quickly realised if I wanted to have any hope of taking India - which was my original over ambitious goal - I needed more land. I quickly realised that Sind and Gujarat between them didn't pack a punch hard enough to stop my 12, 000 strong mercenary army, so I married the Sindi royal Line, claimed their throne, broke our alliance and attacked. Gujarat backed their long standing ally, Sind but all they really did was open the door for me to annex them. Sind was left with only two territories, Gujarat was wiped out and Dehli and the Maldive Confederacy now had a substantial base to combat the Vijayanar threat.

Unfortunately Dehli turned into a let down, restarting the war before they were ready to fight it and losing more land each time a settlement was made. Vijayanar went on to consume Nepal and Tibet while Dehli shrunk away into the west, north of my own hold on the mainland.

I got a break when the Vijayanar monster hit Ming after conquering Tibet. Those two began a goliath of a battle which tied up the Indian super power. I recieved an offer of Alliance from the faction who replaced the Timurid Empire and with that secured, I declared war on the weakened Dehli and took three of their provinces.

Ceylon declared war on me and began 20 years of fighting and sieges across the two territories, bringing their ally Pegu into the fight once again. I wasn't expecting to anihilate Ceylon only to have Pegu land some kind of commando regiment in the Maldives themselves.

Currently it is around 1620 A.D and the Maldive Confederacy is rife with uprisings, pirates and the ever present threat of Vijanayar, I took the war to Pegu, only to find that my war with them, in modern day Burma, is sitting right above a Vijayanar invasion of modern Malaysia.

Suffice it to say that, the inevitable final chapter of the ambitious Maldive Confederacy will be a war with Vijayanr which looks set to span every side of the Indian Ocean and most of southern Asia.

You survived as the Maldives? Kudos are due (though I dunno how hard they were before IN and HttT)

^ Seconded. You're a brave one Poltair.

Much less brave more than completely moronic. I wanted a "Challenge" for my first game. . . I didnt realise at the time it'd take me 60 years to even get into the damn thing!

However, I'm much looking forward to dying in a completely historically incorrect Maldive-Vijayanr war across the entire south quarter of Asia.

Fasten your seatbelts India and Siam, blood will be spilled.

For my first game I initially thought about the Iroquois, but after a few years of terrible economy and no progress at all I decided to re-start as an easier nation. Portugal. I'm gonna go back and try something more challenging later. The Maldives are tiny - I'm impressed you've done so well! :)

Mecklenburg. It is the end of 1490. I was perhaps not being as aggressive as I could have. Nevertheless I own all the provinces I need to form Germany - now I have to wait fifty years.

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m51/Grenadier_539/Mecklenburg24.jpg

A bunch of vassals. Freisland, Cologne and Trier are electors, so that's nice, since my reputation is quite high after all those wars.

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m51/Grenadier_539/Mecklenburg34.jpg

Lithuania there is becoming a problem. After having taken half of Poland they now border me. They split some trade from Lubeck to Danzig, and have recently embargoed my merchants (Castile has me on embargo too). Their army is twice mine; however their economy is worse and their inflation is 12%. France is almost France now and is guaranteed to be a serious menace. In the south it seems the Austrians really want Venice, and war can't be too far in the future. With my current relations the only people who will conclude any sort of alliance with me are the Bohemians, which won't matter much should someone attack one of the HRE minors instead.

Mecklenburg. It is the end of 1490. I was perhaps not being as aggressive as I could have. Nevertheless I own all the provinces I need to form Germany - now I have to wait fifty years.

Quality > Quantity tailless! The gates to Großdeutschland shall soon open! ;)

A bunch of vassals. Freisland, Cologne and Trier are electors, so that's nice, since my reputation is quite high after all those wars.

So, de facto hereditary Emperor? Sweet! :goodjob: That will help Germany stay strong...

Lithuania there is becoming a problem. After having taken half of Poland they now border me. They split some trade from Lubeck to Danzig,

That's enough of a reason to crush them. ;)

and have recently embargoed my merchants (Castile has me on embargo too). Their army is twice mine; however their economy is worse and their inflation is 12%. France is almost France now and is guaranteed to be a serious menace. In the south it seems the Austrians really want Venice, and war can't be too far in the future. With my current relations the only people who will conclude any sort of alliance with me are the Bohemians, which won't matter much should someone attack one of the HRE minors instead.

Hmm... sounds like you'll have your work cut out for you. What are your long-term goals before leaving this current game?

Well, provided nobody can match your HRE votes, you'll have that benefit... have you considered trying to grab the Curia controller position? Then again, that wouldn't serve much purpose now that the Reformation's right around the corner... I assume you'll be going Protestant? Or in true Imperial tradition, fight off the influx of heretics?

Anywho, I wish you luck repairing your reputation, as well as destroying those pesky French, Habsburgs and Lithuanians! There's a lot of responsibility for whoever wishes to lead the German Empire to success. ;)

No point trying to influence the curia now, with my reputation.

For now I'd sit still and wait for my reputation to recover and until I can form Germany. I'll get cores on a bunch of provinces then and I can "liberate" the rest of Germany (Austria included). I'll keep a large-ish standing army until then in case France (or anyone else - almost everyone hates me) DoWs. As for Lithuania, if the embargo isn't lifted I'll take Danzig and just leave Lithuania alone afterward to serve as a buffer against Moscowy (soon to become Russia, it seems).

No point trying to influence the curia now, with my reputation.

Ah yes... I haven't played EU3 in a while, so I had forgotten that whole reputation = increased cost thing...

For now I'd sit still and wait for my reputation to recover and until I can form Germany. I'll get cores on a bunch of provinces then and I can "liberate" the rest of Germany (Austria included). I'll keep a large-ish standing army until then in case France (or anyone else - almost everyone hates me) DoWs. As for Lithuania, if the embargo isn't lifted I'll take Danzig and just leave Lithuania alone afterward to serve as a buffer against Moscowy (soon to become Russia, it seems).

Sounds like a good idea! You have 50 years until Germany can form, so it shouldn't be too hard... though... I hope you find something to do during those 50 years, otherwise it'll be one long, boring wait. :lol:

Also, something regarding that other post of yours in the drawing thread... you said it took you 10 seconds to get the joke... it took me until just a few days ago to realise your name is "Tail-less" (I'd always pronounced it as "Tai-yays" for some reason... I blame my Spanish classes)... and Kangaru is "Kangaroo", correct? Tail-less Kangaroo... kinda sad it took me that long to get it... :lol: ...I hadn't even noticed the second s.. :blush:

...Unless I still am off somehow, which I wouldn't doubt. I can be quite slow on some things...

France or Austria or Lithuania or Denmark or Milan or Hungary declares war on one of the HRE states every five years or so, so I think I'll be rather busy.

And yeah, tail-less kangaroo. That'd be the kangaroo in my avatar (although I usually draw him with a tail) (Doesn't look much like a kangaroo anyway). The kangaroo is spelt with a "u" because of the character limit. I forgot what names I was originally going to use but they were all taken, so I tried a ridiculous name that no one would have picked. Anyway, off-topic.

For my first game I initially thought about the Iroquois, but after a few years of terrible economy and no progress at all I decided to re-start as an easier nation. Portugal. I'm gonna go back and try something more challenging later. The Maldives are tiny - I'm impressed you've done so well! :)

I bet a lot of people try their first game with small hopeless countries. My first game was with Morocco, and then when I started playing again a few weeks ago, Tibet. The thought process is that you have some interesting goal for them, and you don't want to necessarily play a big country that will have to be at the center of world affairs (France, England, Spain, etc.). You just want to lay back and learn a bit and go "wow I can actually play as ANYONE I like!?" . But that's not a good way to start because the incredibly difficult position you're in can really turn someone away from the game "I can't do anything and I'm always losing money".

I have a question for anyone who plays the game: How much do the expansion packs add to the game? I've only got the basic version ATM, but having enjoyed what I've seen I'm considering maybe getting Victoria or the expensions to EU III. Also, are there user made mods that anyone plays that improve the gameplay significantly?

Cheers in advance for any advice. :) Hope this isn't considered a threadjack.

EU3 complete is pretty cheap on Amazon, probably cheaper than what you paid. I'd get it if you find you like playing the version you have.

The Maldives are tiny - I'm impressed you've done so well! :)

That's a matter of perspective, considering Vijayanar are probably three, maybe four times larger than I am and I've spent two hundred years digging this grave with a spoon only to be cut throat and speared, then cast back into the ocean I crawled from by some wannabe India.

Not that I'm looking at my upcoming demise negatively, mind you. Should the Vijayanar Heresy wipe my tiny merman, island hopping confederacy clean of this disgusting planet, I'll play my next game as the Vijayanar themselves and aim to do better (Or perhaps just differently) than the computer Vijayanar this time around.

Why the hell is castille embargoing everyone all the time? That's such a :):):):):) when trying to establish a good diplomacy

That's a matter of perspective, considering Vijayanar are probably three, maybe four times larger than I am and I've spent two hundred years digging this grave with a spoon only to be cut throat and speared, then cast back into the ocean I crawled from by some wannabe India.

Not that I'm looking at my upcoming demise negatively, mind you. Should the Vijayanar Heresy wipe my tiny merman, island hopping confederacy clean of this disgusting planet, I'll play my next game as the Vijayanar themselves and aim to do better (Or perhaps just differently) than the computer Vijayanar this time around.

That you can actually take on Vijayanagar and the rest of India, for two hundred years, is still pretty amazing. Empires rise and fall, it's natural. Most empires in history don't last that long. :)

I suppose you're right bu as yet I haven't had a proper war with Vijayanar, just a few clashes which I've usually come off worse in.

Still, I'm looking forward to getting stuck in.

Why the hell is castille embargoing everyone all the time? That's such a :):):):):) when trying to establish a good diplomacy

Castile has a center of trade, and countries with centers of trade are extremely sensitive to successful traders... Apparently, they do it to make sure nobody can dominate the market and reduce competitors available(and thus tolls collected) Doesn't make it any less annoying, however.

Castile has a center of trade, and countries with centers of trade are extremely sensitive to successful traders... Apparently, they do it to make sure nobody can dominate the market and reduce competitors available(and thus tolls collected) Doesn't make it any less annoying, however.

Yeah, but most of the time I don't even have a freaking merchant there. It's only castille that's embargoing me.

The World in 1539, immediately after the ruler of Mecklenburg was proclaimed King of the Germans.

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m51/Grenadier_539/Germany12.jpg

Commentary. The newly-established Germany inherited from Mecklenburg her North American colonies - namely, German Canada and Greenland. Castile expands in the Americas by taking over native states. The Timurids are gone, replaced by a Persia. The long time dominance of Ming over South East Asia might soon be coming to an end as her subjects break free from Chinese tyranny. Great Britain has formed. France is absolutely terrifying. The Ottomans seem like they might collapse soon, and a resurgent Byzantine Empire has reestablished itself in Greece. Bits of Lithuania are being nibbled away by Moscowy and Bohemia - maybe it's time to take Danzig for ourselves?

The Reformation is in full swing. Germany is Protestant, as are Bohemia, Austria, Bavaria, and... no one else really, apart from a couple of my vassals. We face hostile and potentially belligerent France, Britain, Castile and Milan to the west, hostile and potentially belligerent Sweden in the north, and hostile and very belligerent Lithuania in the east. Lithuania should hopefully soon cease to become a serious menace. France however...

I'm willing with all my might to have an AI controlled Maldives take even one other territory, I don't know what my obession is with that pathetic chain of islands but I do wish they'd have a bit of ambition and try and do something with themselves.

I'm willing with all my might to have an AI controlled Maldives take even one other territory, I don't know what my obession is with that pathetic chain of islands but I do wish they'd have a bit of ambition and try and do something with themselves.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a251/Phrox/EU/EU3_11.jpg

Haha! Nice! Was that the AI or you Phrox?