This is... not the offical, but hopefully will be Fanatikan Nation Science Departrment. As we are still deciding on the leader stuff Donsig and I are the current leaders.



Master Poet Curufinwe
"3 opponents, small or great?
Shall they lead science to a great fate?
Or shall they send it to death without end?
Is this a rule that will bend?
Or shall all 'ever be in doom,
and all of our land in utmost gloom?
It almost makes me cry,
to think that just after birth, we may die,
Lest these people are wise,
and hearken to the peoples cries,
or will they be ruled by avarice and greed,
putting themselves above others need.
This I will always fear,
That Fanatika will be grim and drear.
So to all of you, I must say!
Before comes the end of the day!
Do what is wise,
Vote for those none despise!
Let the vote be chosen by your mind
on the others ye should not be kind!
Vote for those Who're right!
And will lead Fanatika to might!

But now that I stop ponder some
We must find where doom is from,
and who'll bring it, and if we're right,
if what we're doing will aid the light
of truth and knowledge, wisdom and love
brighter than any star above!
Greater than the suns fire
Above all else it is higher!
So let THAT rule our choice,
and let that choose our voice,
not petty thoughts, or envy great,
Lest the perish of FAnatika, be our fate"

I say we make this official!

Please post your science ideas, concerns, etc. here. :)

Surprised no one has posted anything here yet :) (bump)

Sheesh!!! Now we have two Science Dept. Leaders (temporarily) and still there is no Leadership. Where are your proposals? Where are your ideas of where we should go in the future? Show us why we couldn't make up our minds which one is better. Lame Ducks!!!

writing! lets go writing!

Well, there is the Iroquois trade.
They will give us 9 gold and mysticism for the Alphabet.

I'll take a little break from the Firaxis Chat Q&A I'm sorting through right now (I've got 3 hours to go! :eek: ) and see if I see anything.

Congratulations on your election in the second runoffs Strider.

Well, there's no more trades period. Everyone is pretty much broke. :) But, I would encourage the Science Department to see if we can get any new techs from mysticism, if at all possible.

We've already started researching writing with is thirty some turns away. Plenty of time to sort out what to research next. Cheiftess is now head of trade and she already pointed out after the last chat that we could acquire mysticism & 9 gold for alphabet in a trade with the Iroquois. I doubt anyone would oppose that trade. I certainly endorse the trade. I think Chieftess does as well and since she is trade leader it is well within her authority to set up the deal.

I ask everyone to give the FNSD a chance to get back on its feet after this extremely long election process.

Originally posted by SKILORD
Congratulations on your election in the second runoffs Strider.

That election is still open until Sunday afternoon.

We have met the Iroquois and they do not have iron working, the alphabet, nor the wheel. They do have mysticism though.

The following trades are possible right now:

We give the Iroquois the alphabet and get mysticism and 9 gold.

We give them iron working and get mysticism and 10 gold.

We give then the wheel and 1gpt and get mysticism.

We give them the wheel and 9g and get mysticism.

I realize this is short notice but citizen input is requesting via this poll. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=33541)

just a suggestion for the box 'O Suggestions. I think you should have a list of what techs we have, so that people like me, who have been away for a week, can come back, look here, and see where we stand. Thank You.

The Great Iguanaman

Originally posted by Great Iguanaman
just a suggestion for the box 'O Suggestions. I think you should have a list of what techs we have, so that people like me, who have been away for a week, can come back, look here, and see where we stand. Thank You.

The Great Iguanaman

That would normally be done, but we do not have a science leader yet.

The closest race in demogame history has ended in another very close poll. Strider has won the Science Leader position in the third poll for this position and donsig will become the Science Deputy. Incumbent Strider received 15 votes and challenger donsig received 12. Link to poll. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=33451)

Originally posted by Shaitan
The closest race in demogame history has ended in another very close poll. Strider has won the Science Leader position in the third poll for this position and donsig will become the Science Deputy. Incumbent Strider received 15 votes and challenger donsig received 12. Link to poll. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=33451)

Ok.... The forum problem I had yesturday seems to have went away... so I can take over the science department in full power.

Donsig: Pick your own Chat Rep. I will pick my own also.

Reason: I'm thinking that we might disagree with alot of stuff so we need someone to represent each of us in the chats :)


Demogame Constitution
# Each department may also have one or more chat representatives. The chat representative assumes all powers and responsibilities of the department during the absence of the leader and deputy in a turn chat only.

me! pick me!
stuck for sci chat rep!

CURUFINWE for Chat rep! (We could both be saam, I'd be honoured to be a peer of yours) Master Poet, I'm not worthy of that title, I'm mediocre and pathetic in skill, but thank you nonetheless.

I would be pleased to have curufinwe as an FNSD chat rep. So let it be written, so let it be done. (Oops! We can't write yet! :eek: )

I propose a poll to help us determine our citizen's priorities for acquiring techs through research and trade. Another poll about which techs we should not sell or trade away is in order. Here are outlines of these polls:

Q: FNSD Info Poll: What are the five most important techs we should try to acquire?

List all ancient age techs that we don't yet have here.

Run this poll for a week.

This would be a multiple vote poll. It is my hope that this info poll will help us to set athe science queue.

Q: FNSD Info Poll: Which techs should we never sell or trade away?

List all ancient age techs here.

Run this poll till the end of the term.

We could use the results of this poll to know which secrets we should guard!

Please let us know if these are acceptable polls.

I like the first poll, Donsig. Not so sure about #2, however I guess I have no real argument with it as long as there's a get out clause for exceptional circumstances. Sometimes the profits to be made from selling a "risky" tech outweigh the dangers...

Originally posted by donsig
I would be pleased to have curufinwe as an FNSD chat rep. So let it be written, so let it be done. (Oops! We can't write yet! :eek: )

I propose a poll to help us determine our citizen's priorities for acquiring techs through research and trade. Another poll about which techs we should not sell or trade away is in order. Here are outlines of these polls:

Q: FNSD Info Poll: What are the five most important techs we should try to acquire?

List all ancient age techs that we don't yet have here.

Run this poll for a week.

This would be a multiple vote poll. It is my hope that this info poll will help us to set athe science queue.

Q: FNSD Info Poll: Which techs should we never sell or trade away?

List all ancient age techs here.

Run this poll till the end of the term.

We could use the results of this poll to know which secrets we should guard!

Please let us know if these are acceptable polls.

They both sounds good....

Also I will take SAAM as my chat rep. (Donsig will you please post a poll on both of them)

Also here is a list of the science priotrites:

Strider(science leader): In charge of discussions. Posts chat instructions.
SAAM(Chat Rep): Takes over Strider's place in posting discussions if he's gone
Donsig(Science Deputy): In charge of polls. Takes over posting chat instructions if stider is gone.
Curufinwe(Chat Rep): Takes over Donsig's place in posting polls if he's gone.

A one of a kind way to run a large department :)

I'd like to use one of those YN&A poll consultations that I bought for the FNSD. For the second poll, to be sure we have the proper *out*.

I'll try posting the first poll.

Originally posted by donsig
I'd like to use one of those YN&A poll consultations that I bought for the FNSD. For the second poll, to be sure we have the proper *out*.

I'll try posting the first poll.

Ok...

FSND info poll. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=33704)

Thank you. Please post here if any polls needed, I'll try my best daily.

We can acquire both horseback riding and writing via trades without paying any gold! If we sell contact with the Japanese to England they will teach us how to ride horses. :) We can get writing from the Indians in exchange for contact with the English. We have to be careful about this last one as the English know many more civs than the Indians do.

even so, i favour that trade. those are both valuable technologies (and they usually take a while to research).

I agree. Both of those trades look very good to me.

i like both. lets do both, get the techs, and then kill the aztecs

*sounds like a plan!*

I agree..... I like both of them.... (I will post a discussion over it)

We are currently researching map making. This should be changed as there are two techs that rated higher in our recent info poll. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=33704)

We have not yet acquired the top two vote getters in that poll. Monarchy currently has 20 (out of 25) votes and literature currently has 19 votes. We should be researching either polytheism (and then monarchy) or literature now. I think a discussion and / or poll would be appropriate.

I personally favor a polytheism then monarchy queue. :king:

donsig is right. We should pursue poly then monarchy.

Polytheism--> Monarchy sounds good to me :goodjob:

thanks, strider. i always have been more of a discussion person then a pollster.
anyway, i promise to not let my ego go wild (its currenlty undergoing treatement at the Domestic Department)

What should we research next? (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=34181) :king:

Which techs should we not sell or trade away? (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=34182)

How the heck did we get into Map Making?

Originally posted by Cyc
How the heck did we get into Map Making?

We had been researching writing but acquired that from a trade with the Indians. I think map making was the default after the trade and no one thought to change it. No harm has been done as we haven't *pressed enter* since we got writing. :king:

Personally, I would like to see one of these posted in this Science Department thread occasionally. I believe they help the citizens. I also believe after we finish with Literature, we should study Polytheism and then Monarchy (or we could switch to Polytheism now :) )
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads2/Sciscreen.gif

Cyc: I normally have a link to the science screen, but I haven't got around to it yet.

Also like I've said a thousand times.... After lit we WILL go poly/monarcy..... The libries/GL will hopefully speed up are path to it (maybe even faster than if we didn't research lit, through I doubt it)

Strider, please vote in this council vote involving deputy governors. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=34426)

Originally posted by Strider
Cyc: I normally have a link to the science screen, but I haven't got around to it yet.

Also like I've said a thousand times.... After lit we WILL go poly/monarcy..... The libries/GL will hopefully speed up are path to it (maybe even faster than if we didn't research lit, through I doubt it)

I really hope we do not have to wait until we have the great library before getting Monarchy. :king:

The only public poll relevant to the topic indicated that Poly/Monarchy should be our path. Yet, the turn chat logs indicate that voting approved Lit.

I know the forum poll was not at quorum, and that it was close in any case. However, I would welcome explaination from the FNSD on this seemingly contradictory event.

Thanks!

quote:
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Originally posted by Strider
Cyc: I normally have a link to the science screen, but I haven't got around to it yet.
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And I've said it a thousand times, too, Strider. I (we) don't need to see a copy of the damn Tech Tree. We need a screen shot of the Science Advisor from the most current t/c so WE know exactly where we are are. I already know the order and options of the tech tree post in CFC. We need "current" info...

EDIT: Oh, sorry, I forgot. You're like SAaM, and paly the Demogame without ever having a running copy of Civ3 v1.29.

I'll post one. I have to do 3 things as a Jedi-in-training in the RPG. ;)

I can do it within 5 minutes.

I donate to you this screen:

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads2/Fanatika_science_1300bc.jpg

Thank you for duplicating the screenshot that I posted on page #2 of this thread, CT.

? I read Strider didn't post one.. oh well...

Originally posted by Cyc
quote:
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Originally posted by Strider
Cyc: I normally have a link to the science screen, but I haven't got around to it yet.
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And I've said it a thousand times, too, Strider. I (we) don't need to see a copy of the damn Tech Tree. We need a screen shot of the Science Advisor from the most current t/c so WE know exactly where we are are. I already know the order and options of the tech tree post in CFC. We need "current" info...

EDIT: Oh, sorry, I forgot. You're like SAaM, and paly the Demogame without ever having a running copy of Civ3 v1.29.

Actually I do have a running copy of Civ3 v1.29f. It's just that I do not know how to do screenshots and I don't have the time to be tought or figure it out myself.

Originally posted by Bill_in_PDX
The only public poll relevant to the topic indicated that Poly/Monarchy should be our path. Yet, the turn chat logs indicate that voting approved Lit.

I know the forum poll was not at quorum, and that it was close in any case. However, I would welcome explaination from the FNSD on this seemingly contradictory event.

Thanks!

Bill

1) The poll was a tie.... 8-8 As science leader it was my job to break the tie... I picked lit.

2) Yes I know that the poll was closed at 7-8, but I got a few pm's saying that people did not see the poll and wanted to go for lit I made them into 1 vote for a tie.

Off Topic: You guys are saying that we need monarcy to win the war? Even are military leader (and ex-military leader (falcon)) agree's with me that we should go for lit.

Hey, you leave my Hunter out of this. OK? :)

Originally posted by Strider


Bill

1) The poll was a tie.... 8-8 As science leader it was my job to break the tie... I picked lit.

2) Yes I know that the poll was closed at 7-8, but I got a few pm's saying that people did not see the poll and wanted to go for lit I made them into 1 vote for a tie.

Off Topic: You guys are saying that we need monarcy to win the war? Even are military leader (and ex-military leader (falcon)) agree's with me that we should go for lit.
That is extremely bad form. Off-poll PM's are not votes in the poll. If the poll doesn't reach quorum or people PM you that they didn't know there was a poll and missed their vote then you put up a new poll and make sure people know that it is there. You do not arbitrarily decide to use ghost votes to create a tie and then use your leader tie-breaking power to reverse the actual results of the posted poll.

When I posted that poll I placed links to it in this thread and in the poll registry.

I am not saying we need Monarchy to win the upcoming war with the Aztecs. We have (and have had for a number of turns) a force sufficient to deal with the likes of Montezuma. I am looking forward to the time when we must face the Americans and Japanese. I see many wars ahead and they will become more and more difficult to prosecute successfully if we do not focus our energies on them.

Republic is a good government for war making but we will need luxuries, markets, temples and cathedrals to keep the people happy. We are a long way from gaining those things and in the mean time monarchy is much better than despotism! :king:

Quoting Donsig:
Republic is a good government for war making but we will need luxuries, markets, temples and cathedrals to keep the people happy. We are a long way from gaining those things and in the mean time monarchy is much better than despotism!
______________________________________________

And that should have been our policy since iron working.

Originally posted by Strider


Bill

1) The poll was a tie.... 8-8 As science leader it was my job to break the tie... I picked lit.

2) Yes I know that the poll was closed at 7-8, but I got a few pm's saying that people did not see the poll and wanted to go for lit I made them into 1 vote for a tie.

Off Topic: You guys are saying that we need monarcy to win the war? Even are military leader (and ex-military leader (falcon)) agree's with me that we should go for lit.

Strider,

First, I don't think we need Monarchy to win the early wars, but later on, on this difficultly level, where our medium to large cities will be pumping out unhappy citizens everytime someone is born, we need it.

On Regent or Monarch level, I have successfully controlled citizen moods during war, and long wars at that, but Emp and Diety require more options.

Having said all of that...

I hope you realize that by taking votes in a secret manner after a poll is closed, and by using them to create a tie breaker that allowed you to institute your preferred path, you have committed an offense that is PI'able.

The poll didn't reach quorum, so I think we ought to just let this one go, but this is in my eyes a major problem. I hope that you will not commit such violations in the future.

Bill
Chief Justice

Originally posted by Bill_in_PDX


Strider,

First, I don't think we need Monarchy to win the early wars, but later on, on this difficultly level, where our medium to large cities will be pumping out unhappy citizens everytime someone is born, we need it.

On Regent or Monarch level, I have successfully controlled citizen moods during war, and long wars at that, but Emp and Diety require more options.

Having said all of that...

I hope you realize that by taking votes in a secret manner after a poll is closed, and by using them to create a tie breaker that allowed you to institute your preferred path, you have committed an offense that is PI'able.

The poll didn't reach quorum, so I think we ought to just let this one go, but this is in my eyes a major problem. I hope that you will not commit such violations in the future.

Bill
Chief Justice

Bill.... Almost everything is PI' able.... I've seen both you and donsig break the constitution..... even Shaitan.

Who has said we are going to have later wars? Is that 100% certain? Also the path to lit will speed up are technological advancment.... I believe that will help us out ALOT more then monarcy. Also if we build the GL then we could aquire poly (even monarcy itself) from it.

Originally posted by Bill_in_PDX


Strider,

First, I don't think we need Monarchy to win the early wars, but later on, on this difficultly level, where our medium to large cities will be pumping out unhappy citizens everytime someone is born, we need it.

On Regent or Monarch level, I have successfully controlled citizen moods during war, and long wars at that, but Emp and Diety require more options.

Having said all of that...

I hope you realize that by taking votes in a secret manner after a poll is closed, and by using them to create a tie breaker that allowed you to institute your preferred path, you have committed an offense that is PI'able.

The poll didn't reach quorum, so I think we ought to just let this one go, but this is in my eyes a major problem. I hope that you will not commit such violations in the future.

Bill
Chief Justice

Look bill.... I did not get voted, because of my skill in following the const. I got voted for my skill in scientific affairs..... I expressed my opionion about the quorums which is why I choose to let Donnsig post info polls and then make my decisions from their results... Like I've always have....

I let the last demogame through about an age a turn..... My way of working stuff works and I could care less what you say about it....

Originally posted by Strider


Bill.... Almost everything is PI' able.... I've seen both you and donsig break the constitution..... even Shaitan.



I am honestly not sure what you are referring to here, or what if anything, donsig's name has to do with it?????

You don't think there is anything wrong with taking votes in secret?

Originally posted by Strider


Who has said we are going to have later wars? Is that 100% certain? Also the path to lit will speed up are technological advancment.... I believe that will help us out ALOT more then monarcy. Also if we build the GL then we could aquire poly (even monarcy itself) from it.



I am certain that we will have later wars, what civ game on this level doesn't have them?

There is no doubt that the GL is good, in fact I always beeline to it. But with three cities, or four or five by the time we hit Lit, would we really stop and build libraries? And with the size of the cities, what actual number of beakers bonus would we get...not much.

It's just a difference of opinion.

I have no problem with Lit winning the poll. But poll voting in secret is not acceptable, and you should recognize that. I am surprised you disagree.

Originally posted by Bill_in_PDX


I am honestly not sure what you are referring to here, or what if anything, donsig's name has to do with it?????

You don't think there is anything wrong with taking votes in secret?



I am certain that we will have later wars, what civ game on this level doesn't have them?

There is no doubt that the GL is good, in fact I always beeline to it. But with three cities, or four or five by the time we hit Lit, would we really stop and build libraries? And with the size of the cities, what actual number of beakers bonus would we get...not much.

It's just a difference of opinion.

I have no problem with Lit winning the poll. But poll voting in secret is not acceptable, and you should recognize that. I am surprised you disagree.

No.... I do not think secret votes are legal.... and I did not do that.... If you look at the poll you can see are Military leader's post says he wanted a vote for lit, but got their to late.... It is my duty as science leader to make sure ALL citizens are heard and express's the opionions....

Originally posted by Strider


My way of working stuff works and I could care less what you say about it....

Well thank you, and I will be sure to hold your opinions in the same high regard.

Bill

Originally posted by Bill_in_PDX


Well thank you, and I will be sure to hold your opinions in the same high regard.

Bill

As will I'll do the same

Strider, taking votes via PM is wrong. Plain and simple. It is not to be done.

Originally posted by Shaitan
Strider, taking votes via PM is wrong. Plain and simple. It is not to be done.

and again I'll repeat sense everyone seems f*cking deaf hear.

I DID NOT TAKE VOTES VIA PM!!!!!

Yes, you did.
2) Yes I know that the poll was closed at 7-8, but I got a few pm's saying that people did not see the poll and wanted to go for lit I made them into 1 vote for a tie.

Originally posted by Shaitan
Yes, you did.


Yes, but I said that I used CivGenerals post as the tiebreaker. And even without the tie lit still would have won, because I used multiply polls as I have always done to come up with my decision. I would suggest to everyone that you know how I run the science department before you start complaining about how I run it.

Now hold on a minute. Literature lost this poll but you still hold that literature won anyway because of your department running style? You are complaining about confusion in the Constitution and run your department so poll results can be arbitrarily ignored?

Originally posted by Shaitan
Now hold on a minute. Literature lost this poll but you still hold that literature won anyway because of your department running style? You are complaining about confusion in the Constitution and run your department so poll results can be arbitrarily ignored?

No.... Do you know how many polls Donsig & I have posted about the lit/monarcy debate? I use the result of ALL of those polls + some of the discussions to come up with a decision. This way if someone is gone and miss's a poll, but expressed their opionion in the info poll/discussion they are still heard and counted.

Here's a discussion that's going nowhere.

OK Strider, here's an analogy for you. You swam to far out from the rules. There is no way you can dog-paddle long enough in this debate to keep your head above water. These people are trying to throw you a life-saver, so that you can stay alive long enough to admit you are wrong. But you are pushing the live-saver away. I suggest you accept their help.

The position you have taken to defend your "style" of Leadership isn't working, mainly because of its transparency. Ever hear of Cellophane City?

Originally posted by Cyc
Here's a discussion that's going nowhere.

OK Strider, here's an analogy for you. You swam to far out from the rules. There is no way you can dog-paddle long enough in this debate to keep your head above water. These people are trying to throw you a life-saver, so that you can stay alive long enough to admit you are wrong. But you are pushing the live-saver away. I suggest you accept their help.

The position you have taken to defend your "style" of Leadership isn't working, mainly because of its transparency. Ever hear of Cellophane City?

No.... and I have no clue what the heck your talking about. I am doing the exact same thing I have always done. I see no reason why everyone should start complaining about it right now. If you had a problem with it along time ago(like my first term for example) you should have said so, but complaning about something 5 months later is just plain stupid!

Also what have I done against the rules? According to the consitution the leader's are suppose to use polls and discussions to make their decisions. That is exactly what I did. I used multiply discussions and multiply polls to come up with my decision. You can not get all of the citizen input using just one discussion thread and one poll.

Originally posted by Strider


You can not get all of the citizen input using just one discussion thread and one poll.

Sure you can.

In fact, if that had been done in an official poll, and taken to quorum, then you would not have any debate at all.

And all of these polls that you seem to feel are debilitating to your leadership would have been taken care of with just a single poll.

Strider, you took votes after a poll is closed...there is no way to say that is right.

Originally posted by Strider


No.... I do not think secret votes are legal.... and I did not do that.... If you look at the poll you can see are Military leader's post says he wanted a vote for lit, but got their to late.... It is my duty as science leader to make sure ALL citizens are heard and express's the opionions....

Technically, there is no way to verify that CivGeneral had not already voted. Not that I don't trust him, because I think in this case he had not, but this is the reason we do not often change the poll results when someone says they voted for the wrong thing.

However, if the poll was simply tied, the science leader does have the right to break that tie. But, taking votes via PM is absolutely wrong, and should not, under any circumstances, be done again for any game related issue.

Originally posted by eyrei


Technically, there is no way to verify that CivGeneral had not already voted. Not that I don't trust him, because I think in this case he had not, but this is the reason we do not often change the poll results when someone says they voted for the wrong thing.

However, if the poll was simply tied, the science leader does have the right to break that tie. But, taking votes via PM is absolutely wrong, and should not, under any circumstances, be done again for any game related issue.

and I repeat once again.... That I did not take votes VIA pm...

How about this - Post a single, difinitive poll. Take it to quorum. Don't have it close after 48 hours. Push people to vote. Advertise. Get an actual, final word.

FNSD info poll: What should we research next? (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=34181)

Results: Polytheism 8, literture 7, map making 1

FNSD info poll: What are the five most important techs we should try to acquire?

Results: Literature and monarchy both polled 20 votes out of 26. Next closest had only 13 votes.

Wednesday, September 25 Science Poll (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=32620)

Results: Writing 13, mysticism 11

Official science poll (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=32482&pagenumber=1)

Results: Mysticism 8, alphabet 7, the wheel 1.

Science poll #3 (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=32337&pagenumber=1)

Results: Alphabet 12, mysticism 11, abstain 1.

Science poll #2 (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=32160&pagenumber=1)

Results: Government (monarchy) 8, science 7, military 5, government (republic) 3, abstain 1.

Science poll #2 clearly showed the direction our citizens wanted. Since that was unacceptable to the FNSD leadership Science poll #3 was put up. This gave the edge to alphabet. the citizens cried out and the Official Science Poll was put up. This gave the edge back to monarchy via mysticism. then we met India, who had mysticism and alphabe and a trade for alphabet was rushed through the chat despite the fact that for every previous contact we had made no actions were taken until the next chat. The Weds. Sept. 25 poll gave the edge back to writing. The 5 most important techs showed literature and monarchy dead even. The latest poll once again gave the edge to monarchy via polytheism.

What is the point of posting all these links and writing this history? This all shows very clearly and in one place that FNSD polls that favored the path towards literature have been followed while those favoring the path towards monarchy have been consistently ignored.

I will post a poll about changing to polytheism. :king:

Should we switch to researching polytheism? (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=34642)

Council vote to confirm Cyc as governor of Bohemia (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=34789) has been posted.

Originally posted by donsig
FNSD info poll: What should we research next? (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=34181)

Results: Polytheism 8, literture 7, map making 1

FNSD info poll: What are the five most important techs we should try to acquire?

Results: Literature and monarchy both polled 20 votes out of 26. Next closest had only 13 votes.

Wednesday, September 25 Science Poll (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=32620)

Results: Writing 13, mysticism 11

Official science poll (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=32482&pagenumber=1)

Results: Mysticism 8, alphabet 7, the wheel 1.

Science poll #3 (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=32337&pagenumber=1)

Results: Alphabet 12, mysticism 11, abstain 1.

Science poll #2 (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=32160&pagenumber=1)

Results: Government (monarchy) 8, science 7, military 5, government (republic) 3, abstain 1.

Science poll #2 clearly showed the direction our citizens wanted. Since that was unacceptable to the FNSD leadership Science poll #3 was put up. This gave the edge to alphabet. the citizens cried out and the Official Science Poll was put up. This gave the edge back to monarchy via mysticism. then we met India, who had mysticism and alphabe and a trade for alphabet was rushed through the chat despite the fact that for every previous contact we had made no actions were taken until the next chat. The Weds. Sept. 25 poll gave the edge back to writing. The 5 most important techs showed literature and monarchy dead even. The latest poll once again gave the edge to monarchy via polytheism.

What is the point of posting all these links and writing this history? This all shows very clearly and in one place that FNSD polls that favored the path towards literature have been followed while those favoring the path towards monarchy have been consistently ignored.

I will post a poll about changing to polytheism. :king:

And.... as the poll you posted stated... The citizens DID want lit. Also.... The reason most of those polls were not followed was because:

1) Didn't reach quorum
2) You guys were giving me trouble about improper polling and said that my polls could not be used.

I will not be here tommorow, saturday, and sunday. I will be gone the entire week.

Thus, Donsig is in charge of the Science Department while I'm gone.

Strider- Before you go, pleae place an ultamadium stating that we are to continue researching Literature.
(Im serious...)

Or maybe post another poll? :lol:

The tech queue goes like this:

Lit
poly
monarcy

Sense I am not here. Their is to be NO polls posted. This queue should last till I get back.

Originally posted by Strider
The tech queue goes like this:

Lit
poly
monarcy

Sense I am not here. Their is to be NO polls posted. This queue should last till I get back.

Nope. Your deputy can post any polls he sees fit too, and they will be binding. When you pass control to a deputy, they gain full responsibilities and powers of the department. Just because you and your deputy disagree on an issue, doesn't mean you can leave us without a functioning science department for an entire week. You are welcome to PI donsig when you get back, but he would probably enjoy it...:lol:

Originally posted by eyrei


Nope. Your deputy can post any polls he sees fit too, and they will be binding. When you pass control to a deputy, they gain full responsibilities and powers of the department. Just because you and your deputy disagree on an issue..

Boy have you come a long way since the days when Eyr didn't have an aqueduct.

(Couldn't resist that one. :groucho: )

Originally posted by donsig


Boy have you come a long way since the days when Eyr didn't have an aqueduct.

(Couldn't resist that one. :groucho: )

Yeah. But I was only absent from the turn chat, not for an entire week!:p

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