Dragons... I've made 5 different versions as well as a default gray with all the animations for anyone else to use to make their own colors. I've also come up with several sounds that I think sound pretty good... if anyone comes up with anything better please post it in the sounds forum and put a note in this thread.

The versions are:
Black Acid attack
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads2/Black_Dragon.zip

Blue Lightning Attack
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads2/Blue_Dragon.zip

Green Fire (the traditional fire breathing serpent)
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads2/Green_Dragon.zip

Red Fire (a slightly different attack)
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads2/Red_Dragon.zip

White Ice
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads2/White_Dragon.zip

Gray Template: This includes all the different attack animations so someone can mix and match in creating their own color version
Part 1... You need both parts if you want all the template FLC's
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads2/Dragon_Template1.zip
Part 2
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads2/Dragon_Template2.zip

Dragon Sounds... You need this zip if you download any of the above versions. I put them in a seperate folder in the units directory and that's where the INI files look for them. I did this to save room since most of the sounds are the same for the different colors.
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads2/Dragon_Sounds.zip

New Attack Animations to turn it into a Flying Unit (1.4mb each):
Part 1 (default gray for editing)
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads3/Dragon_Flying_Attack_Part1.zip

Part 2 (one FLC for each of my color versions)
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads3/Dragon_Flying_Attack_Part2.zip

Preview of the new attack further down on page 4.

Previews:
Black Dragon's attack

Blue Dragon's Death

Green Dragon's Victory

Red Dragon's Run

White Dragon's Melee Attack

EXCELLENT!!!!!! I'm really impressed with the quality of the model and the animations!! The dragon of your avatar is that unit?

Great job, Kinboat! :)

Is it a boy or a girl ? :D

Great work, Kinboat. Can't wait to put these beauties to use. :)

:D It looks really good, i'm gonna try it out now!!:D

:D It looks really good, i'm gonna try it out now!!:D

Wow soccerrules thought it was so good they posted twice :)
Yep... My Avatar picture is a close up of this dragon model (with more detailed textures) I've made a dragon leaderhead as well... Don't know how I'm going to post it as it's rather large.

:eek: Excellent!!! :eek:

I'm sure I can put them to good use. :goodjob:

Great work!
I can only imagine animating animals not to be an easy task but your animation looks very 'natural'. Respect!

:eek: amazing... great job, i've waiting for this one since the 1st preview post :goodjob:

Brilliant units Kinboat; I may do a goblin unit to go with them, and perhaps a high elf spearman or archer. On secenaro Ive always wanted to do is JR tolkiens Silmarilion, perhaps only part of it...

Wow. Mind-boggeling. I'm curious to know what you do for a living. All your units look so "professional" one's gotta think you do this for a living. If not, perhaps you should. ;)

Great job.

Well most of the 'natural movement' is a result of the Poser mechanics... It really works wonders with animation :)
Wasn't someone already doing a Tolkien mod? I thought I remembered something a while back... But the more fantasy units the better :)
Nope I don't do anything relating to art for a living (although I'd love to be able to) I have sold a few paintings but so far nothing in the computer art realm.

glad to see your not retiring fully

Oh by the way any everquest fans on this would be a great dragon for the everquest scenario :)

Originally posted by Kinboat
Nope I don't do anything relating to art for a living (although I'd love to be able to) I have sold a few paintings but so far nothing in the computer art realm.

Well what do you for living becorse this is a great unit.

Just a temporary job at the moment... I went to college for Art and that's what I'd like to do but unfortunately I live in an uncultured area :)

Originally posted by Kinboat
...unfortunately I live in an uncultured area. :)

Hmm, last time I checked Milwaukee wasnt in Pennsylvania... ;)

I was in Philadelphia last weekend, and I bet a talented person such as yourself could find graphics work there. :groucho:

Well done Kinboat.

Well maybe on either end of Pennsylvania we get a little culture leaking into the state from other regions but I'm currently located smack dab in the middle... The place is even called Middleburg :) I think I like the country too much to move to a city anyway...

. . . And one day later. I've dowloaded them all;).

Awesome units Kinboat:goodjob:

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads2/Dragon_Screen923_copy.jpg

These are the Units I was looking for My Next Scenario Earth Early.
GREAT WORK!!!!!

:eek: damn!....... *fainted*.......

Awesome I am so glad to see them finished. I wil add them to my Magic: The Gathering mod as soon as I get home and off this dial-up connection.

Originally posted by Smoking mirror
Brilliant units Kinboat; I may do a goblin unit to go with them, and perhaps a high elf spearman or archer. On secenaro Ive always wanted to do is JR tolkiens Silmarilion, perhaps only part of it...


Please do!!!! This would mean so much to me. If you could make several versions of your goblins/elves with slight differences (weapons used, size/shape, etc) I would be SOOOOOOO happy.

GIDustin

beautiful

The 'Reign of Fire' begins!!!

Brilliant reptiles, Kinboat!!!

Whooo hoooo, those are briliant. As you can no doubt tell i like dragons, and i'm sure i can find a way to fit them into my er, modern era game. I like the idea of an everquest scenario, and perhaps someone should do the sleeper (electrical dragon) though i cant remeber its name. I have actually seen the sleeper in the game on Firiona Vie server...thankfully it was still asleep at the time otherwise i would be dead :)

These units are great!! Just one question, what do you think the stats for them should be?

Well I'm using them as a barbarian substitute at the moment... so their strong just not too strong. Something around the knight. But if you're using them in a scenario specific fantasy type thingy I'd say they should be the baddest things out there :) I said this in the read me but I'll post it here too... They were designed to be land units despite the fact of their flight.

The units_32 files supplied are not fully compatible with the default one. The red dragon changes to whatever color the civ is, and the rest have no civ specific color marks on them at all.

Any plans to fix this in the near future?

GIDustin

Well I didn't really do much for the units_32 files... I basicly just took one of the pcx files and cropped and resized a frame, then pasted into the original file. If I get some free time I might try to refine them a bit.

Which program did you use to make this unit??

I used Poser 4 and Jasc PSP 7... Previously I've used Moray and POVRay for most of my units.

Originally posted by Kinboat
I used Poser 4 and Jasc PSP 7... Previously I've used Moray and POVRay for most of my units. Don't say you moddeled this dragon in poser? didn't think that was possible.. and I can't understand how you can animate in Poser :eek: Everytime I try I move the arm around toughing his own back or something :p

Anyways, great unit! :goodjob:


Wanna write a Poser Tutorial?

I didn't model it in Poser... While it is possible it's much easier to use models that others have made. Modeling in Poser is basicly making an object in another program then importing it and assigning it's skeletal structure. I used a dragon model (with some modifications) from DAZ3d...
As for animating if you use the dials on the side instead of dragging the arm you can stop the chest from following it... Or you can temporarily turn off the Inverse Kinematics Chains.

HOLY ****!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The dragons are comming! They look so real...not that I've seen a real dragon...Good job!:goodjob:

I was thinking it might be nice if someone could whip up some dragon egg resource icons to use as strategic resources for these units. Any takers?

I made an Egg for ya!

Here it is:
http://medieteknik.bth.se/frst01/resources.gif

Cool... Thanks :)

Thanks Grey Fox. This is a great help! :) Do you mind if I tweak it a little for each of the different colored dragons (i.e. add red spots for red dragons, blue for blue dragons, etc.)?

These all look fantastic. Thanks for putting in the effort! :goodjob:

Originally posted by Ed O'War
Thanks Grey Fox. This is a great help! :) Do you mind if I tweak it a little for each of the different colored dragons (i.e. add red spots for red dragons, blue for blue dragons, etc.)? Sure! :)

Originally posted by GIDustin
The units_32 files supplied are not fully compatible with the default one. The red dragon changes to whatever color the civ is, and the rest have no civ specific color marks on them at all.

Any plans to fix this in the near future?

GIDustin

Well there's a slight problem here... I'll be perfectly happy adding the civ specific spots to the models for the units_32.pcx file... However I haven't figured out what to do with the red dragon... In the file red is the civ color so how do I stop the red dragon model from changing colors? If anyone knows of some way around this let me know and I'll rip off a fix ASAP... Until then maybe just use another of the models to represent it in the Queue.

What you would have to do is alter the pallette so that red appears in more areas than just the forst couple of rows, and then use the new red colors you put in. Sound complicated? I may be able to do some altering and fix this, but I just suffered from a huge "I shouldn't have done that" kind of thing, and now hald of my programs dont work. It will take me about 1-2 days to get back up and running, and I will attempt to do this for you. After that, I can pump out more star wars units :P

GIDustin

I was under the impression that the units_32.pcx shouldn't be tampered with... I could edit the pallette myself but I didn't think the game would handle it well. Changing any of the colors would just mess up the other units in the file.

Don't edit the units_32.pal. It'll cause more problems than solutions. I believe there are four red tiles in the palette about midway down that don't count as a team color.

how do you get the dragons to be in the icon list??

Well ... this Dragons are very good !

But who can make some "Orks" or Eldar ?

Some kind of Halflings and Middle Earth Scenario will be made ... but two left hands with FLC Design :D ;) ... so i can´t make that myself :(

PS. Dwarfs are cool ! *G* :D

I am really glad that other people are trying to get mythical creatures made. If you ever do find the units you are asking for, let me know. I need units like that as well.

GIDustin

how do i get the dragons onto the units_32 list??

or perhaps, could someone make a modified units_32 thing with the dragons in it??

check out my sig ;)

sig???

Bearing in mind that the bottom of every one of my posts is a link saying that I've made an updated units_32.pcx with over 600 icons added, did it not occur to you to click on that link and find out if maybe - just maybe - 5 of those 600 icons were the 5 dragon icons ;)?

I realized that link, but i don't want all 600 icons, it takes unnecessary time. Just wondrin if some one would like to do that, perhaps add it to the original post so that us people without those capabilities will be able to actually use these units :)

I included the build queue icons... The only thing someone would need to do is use a simple image editor to copy them into the original... I don't do this myself as a rule because I don't know what other units someone else may use.

First: :eek:
Second: :confused: (Question)

I don't want to spend time downloading all the colored versions (slow connection), so I got the grey version. My question is: how to I alter the unit pallette? (I assume it is with flicster)

Actually I used Paint Shop Pro 7... You need to load a palette with the option to replace colors with the color in the same spot, not the nearest match.

Superb!

You think when you have some time that you can make "The Hydra"?
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads2/Hydra.gif

I'd like too but I'm swamping myself by taking on too many projects... Maybe in the future sometime.

Okay cool, I sure I will see it when you have time.

hmmm, well, i guess since i have no image editor that can do this, i can not play with those dragons, darn, wanted to pretty bad.

Hey Kinboat, any chance you could make a flying "bombing" attack for them with the breath weapon?

I think the hydra would be awesome. Maybe even "Nessie"(that monster that lives in a body of water the crazy Scots call a loch.) Hmm... That could be a water unit. Oh! Oh! Bahamut! from the Final Fantasy Series.

I am working on a sea serpent... and a hydra is still in the conception stage :)

i think you should make Falcor from Never Ending Story. :)

i think a Never Ending Story scenario woudl be cool. The land of Fantasia could be easily made into civs, and "the Nothing" could be uncontrollable hordes of barbarians that are unheard of in Civ3.

Originally posted by sween32
i think you should make Falcor from Never Ending Story. :)


was he the white luck dragon? it's been awhile since I've seen that movie. and I think the idea for the barbarians should be the wolf thing that was evil and wanted the nothing to come.
but if there was a senario made for this movie, how whould you kill those rockeaters? You whould have to play as the Germans ;)

Hmm make Zero Bahamut....
Or bahamut from FF8
.....
heres a pic:
:love:
Non-Elemental damages all enemies - The camera zooms out into space to view the Final Fantasy world. The dragon of the seven heavens glides through the clouds, seeking the evil. Back at the battle, the sky is set alight with lightning, rumbling with thunder. Suddenly, Bahamut storms through the dark sky and attacks with 4 huge white flares which cause a massive explosion in the face of the enemy. Bahamut flies away.

:cool:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads3/coolstuff.jpg
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads3/cooltug.jpg

wonderful units, can i use them in my Discworld mod?

Mod away :) An alternate attack is coming soon to turn it into an air unit... Soon Really... Next few days I promise... Soon...

I can't wait =-D So... eventually... it'll be a dragon dominated game? Could you like reskin cities and stuff to make them look like castles? Reskin the walls in the city to make them look a bit more midevil and all those neat things tin the city map view.

New attack animations are posted... Check the first post.
I also included an example of an INI file to turn it into an air unit.

You only need Part 2 if you don't plan on doing any editing, since part 1 is just the gray palette version.

Preview:

Wohoo! Nice! Now I can have dragons doing all of the air missions! Yay! :D

hey Kinboat i used your Blue Dragon and Black Dragon in my reign of fire scenario its posted in the completed scenarios forum just to tell ya. oh ya and their nice units.

The dragon is sweet! Love it! :D

Excellent work. Perfect for a fantasy game. :worship:

I made some new color conversions of these beauties for tjedge1

Red Dragon (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/RedDragon.zip)

Copper Dragon (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/CopperDragon.zip)

Bronze Dragon (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/BronzeDragon.zip)

Silver Dragon (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/SilverDragon.zip)

Preview: (in the same order as the links above)
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/dragons6.jpg

Thanks. what other colors could be made?

- GIDustin

Those new ones look great too! :)

Originally posted by GIDustin
What other colors could be made?

Color converting these is very easy. I can do more if more is needed. :)

well, one more would make 10 total i think, which is the number of dragons in the MTG mod, however, the more the better. :D

- GIDustin

There are also Gemstone dragons in Mystara. Here's a list with their breath weapons:

Crystal=====Crystal
Onyx======Darkness or Acid
Jade=======Disease Gas
Sapphire====Vaporize
Ruby=======Fire
Amber======Fire

There are also Dragon Turtles:
Breathes steam, stays in the water, and looks like a dragon with a turtle shell.

Tjedge, those seem a bit difficult to do so that they don't get mixed with regular colored dragons.

These are the four dragons I though of doing next: They are new versions of Kinboat's blue, green and black. Blue and Green were IMO a bit pale and the black one was actually a dark, greyish green.

Brown Dragon is just for the fun of it. :)

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/dragons7.jpg

Those would be cool.

I was thinking about those Gemstone dragons and realized the same thing after I had posted the request. Forget those, as I can just use the same unit graphic for the Gemstone as the regular that fits it. Since Gemstone dragons actually use 2 breath weapons and 1 is always their color counterpart, I'll just do that.

I also realize a Dragon Turtle wasn't quite what you meant as a request. Just thought I'd try my luck. :D

More color conversions! I think these will be my last. Each dragon is 2 megs and I feel bad for eating up space from Thunderfall with trivial stuff like this. Of course, if theres one color that someone absolutely needs, I'm happy to do it. But no more dragons just for the fun of it. :)

Black Dragon (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/BlackDragon.zip)

Green Dragon (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/GreenDragon.zip)

Blue Dragon (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/BlueDragon.zip)

White Dragon (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/WhiteDragon.zip)

Orange Dragon (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/OrangeDragon.zip)

Brown Dragon (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/BrownDragon.zip)

Preview: (in the same order as the links above)
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/dragons8.jpg

Here's a comparison of Kinboat's and my versions of black, red, green, blue and white: (Kinboat's on the left, mine on the right)
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/dragons9.jpg

They sure look pretty! :thumbsup:

Cool, more dragons! :thumbsup:

Ok, just one more. :lol:

Arghis was criticizing the civ colored wings in the Mystara-thread so I decided to do a dragon without any civ color. Naturally this restricts its uses, but I guess there are times when only one civ has dragons or there is just one dragon in the scenario. I named him Smaug. :) This is naturally compatible with the palettes of the other dragons so it's a zip to give him different colored brothers.

Smaug (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/Smaug.zip)

Preview:

I like the color changes. In fact, yours looks more like the color they chouls be, and those older ones look like they could be used for the Gemstones I mentioned. I also like the new colors you made. Now what to do with them. When I started this Dungeons & Dragons mod, I never realized there would actually be any dragons. :goodjob:

That Smaug dragon needs to be brought up to the LotM's crew. They might like that.

Arg. I really like how the wings are the same color as the dragon, but I dont like how it lost it's civ-specific coloring. Perhaps a stripe that is civ specific, or a civ-specific colored under-belly. Any other suggestions? Would this be possible Drift?

- GIDustin

Originally posted by GIDustin
Perhaps a stripe that is civ specific, or a civ-specific colored under-belly. Any other suggestions?

Maybe the spikes on its back and the horns on its head? Dunno if they're too small for that to be easily visible.

Originally posted by GIDustin
Arg. I really like how the wings are the same color as the dragon, but I dont like how it lost it's civ-specific coloring. Perhaps a stripe that is civ specific, or a civ-specific colored under-belly. Any other suggestions? Would this be possible Drift?

I think best option would be to deselect the tail in all frames and then replace civ colors with body colors. However, that means deselecting the tail in hundreds of frames. Too much work for me. :(

Cool :cool:

Please, 577, don't dig up every thread you read.

Hmmm seriously this is getting quite annoying... and if your going to say somthing, make it somewhat important, "cool" is no reply worth posting, these spammers are becoming a nuisance.

Greetings...

A rider with a very long spear - Like on the horseman, could be the Civ color, and could also be another new unit - Dragon Riders (sort of like a pre tech helicopter.)

Details like a pack, a really nice high pommel saddle, a safety rope to keep the rider from falling out of the saddle, a long trailing rope ladder etc....

Question: In the Ini - there are three attacks - are they played one after the other?
So the first attack could be the flying attack, the second the melee attack etc...?

Kanda, for the Dragon Rider, you could find a Wyvern Rider somewhere. Perhaps it will fit you.

Glancing through here, I can't find a gold dragon. Could someone do a quick color coversion (with no civ specific color) or point me in the direction of one that already exists?

I have a Gold Dragon version I got from Grandraem, but I can't find the link I downloaded from. It will be in my mod. It has civ-specific colors, though, so if you want it anyway let me know and I'll see about uploading it.

The black one seems to be too bony for a dragon..

tjedge1, I would greatly appreciate if you could upload your gold dragon. :)

Here is the color conversion of the Gold Dragon I have with some sounds.

Gold Dragon (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/Gold_Dragon.zip)

looks nice! :) thansk tjedge1.

Nice touch-ups, Drift :) (though Smaug had a golden belly ;) for the millenia he'd been snoozing on his treasure)

Very nice unit my friend.... I only use two of them but excelent idea on color variation. :goodjob: :goodjob: :goodjob: :goodjob:

These are great units, but I have a question. When I load them into the Civilopedia the background color is blue. I thought it was supposed to be white. Am I doing something wrong?

These are great units, but I have a question. When I load them into the Civilopedia the background color is blue. I thought it was supposed to be white. Am I doing something wrong?
Did you add the icons in pediaicons.txt? Or did you just add the unit in the editor?