View Full Version : Asian pack: China and India mid 16th C - mid 18th C


imperator1961
Sep 27, 2009, 05:43 PM
Here my new pack: China and India units. There are some new horse and foot animations. First China units; as usual, from left to right:
Artillery 16th C, Multi-Barrel Arquebusier 16th C, Cavalry 16th C, Pikeman 16th C, Artillery 17th C, Cavalry 17th C, Musketeer 17th C, Pikeman 17th C, Artillery 18th C, Cavalry 18th C, Fusilier 18th C.

http://www.divshare.com/img/8623819-265http://www.divshare.com/img/8623836-36fhttp://www.divshare.com/img/8668552-1b5http://www.divshare.com/img/8668503-6ff
http://www.divshare.com/img/8298694-474http://www.divshare.com/img/8668575-a57http://www.divshare.com/img/8668661-795http://www.divshare.com/img/8623648-f04
http://www.divshare.com/img/8623626-187http://www.divshare.com/img/8668680-7e5http://www.divshare.com/img/8623561-6b0

The animations:
http://www.divshare.com/img/8623832-538http://www.divshare.com/img/8623837-3cchttp://www.divshare.com/img/8668553-3bchttp://www.divshare.com/img/8668505-f39http://www.divshare.com/img/8623559-26chttp://www.divshare.com/img/8668658-daa
http://www.divshare.com/img/8668663-a30http://www.divshare.com/img/8623649-b43http://www.divshare.com/img/8623647-290http://www.divshare.com/img/8668681-ea2http://www.divshare.com/img/8623565-843

Download part I (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=13356)

Download Part II (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=13357)

imperator1961
Sep 27, 2009, 06:25 PM
Now Indian units. From left to right:
Artillery 16th C, Cavalry 16th C, Pikeman 16th C, Artillery 17th C, Cavalry 17th C, Musketeer, Pikeman 17th C, Elephant with Musketeer 17th C, Artillery 18th C, Cavalry 18th C, Elephant with Fusilier, Elephant with Cannon.

http://www.divshare.com/img/8644591-7ffhttp://www.divshare.com/img/8644586-01dhttp://www.divshare.com/img/8668501-4a7http://www.divshare.com/img/8668803-2f8
http://www.divshare.com/img/8623579-e8ehttp://www.divshare.com/img/8623566-a12http://www.divshare.com/img/8668497-0c9http://www.divshare.com/img/8623661-65e
http://www.divshare.com/img/8668860-dffhttp://www.divshare.com/img/8623582-bdbhttp://www.divshare.com/img/8623659-a47http://www.divshare.com/img/8623656-d7f

Animations:

http://www.divshare.com/img/8644592-8c6http://www.divshare.com/img/8644589-a81http://www.divshare.com/img/8668502-dc4http://www.divshare.com/img/8623578-cd0http://www.divshare.com/img/8623580-6cbhttp://www.divshare.com/img/8623567-0ec
http://www.divshare.com/img/8668498-982http://www.divshare.com/img/8623662-b22http://www.divshare.com/img/8668862-acfhttp://www.divshare.com/img/8623603-670http://www.divshare.com/img/8623660-bbehttp://www.divshare.com/img/8623657-73f

imperator1961
Sep 27, 2009, 06:43 PM
Second part for Indian units, Akhbar/Muslims Indian units, Maharata and Bonus unit. From left to right:
Bumi (irregular infantry) 16th C, Muslin Arquebusier 16th C, Muslim Pikeman 16th C, Muslim Cavalry 16th C, Muslim Artillery 16th C, Maharata Infantryman 18th C, Maharata Light cavalry 18th C.

http://www.divshare.com/img/8623650-205http://www.divshare.com/img/8623667-110http://www.divshare.com/img/8623701-f02http://www.divshare.com/img/8623677-233
http://www.divshare.com/img/8623673-84ahttp://www.divshare.com/img/8623663-616http://www.divshare.com/img/8644584-6a3

The animations:

http://www.divshare.com/img/8623655-3c8http://www.divshare.com/img/8623672-865http://www.divshare.com/img/8623707-a4fhttp://www.divshare.com/img/8623694-410http://www.divshare.com/img/8623676-130http://www.divshare.com/img/8623664-a8d
http://www.divshare.com/img/8644585-b5c

And BONUS UNIT: Indian Rocket Team.

http://www.divshare.com/img/8623569-c6b http://www.divshare.com/img/8623570-371

Download Part I (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=13358)

Download Part II (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=13359)

Download Part III (Maharata Infantryman and Maharata Light Cavalry) (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=13407)
Now you can post.

Yang Liu
Sep 27, 2009, 07:51 PM
Very good packet !
Thanks
Hermenefred (H.Balck)

Hikaro Takayama
Sep 27, 2009, 08:54 PM
The Indian units would go great in an updated Rise and Fall of the Mughals scenario!

BTW, what are the Chinese Artillery weapons for the 17th Century? Some kind of Chinese variant of the Abus gun? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abus_gun)

Ozymandias
Sep 27, 2009, 09:14 PM
Oh ... :eek: ... my ... :eek: ... Shiva ... :D

:clap: :clap: :clap: ,

Oz

crazyanswer
Sep 27, 2009, 09:47 PM
:eek:, wonderful ! :D

96nn
Sep 27, 2009, 10:23 PM
Imperator1961, you are great! :worship:

Steph
Sep 27, 2009, 11:00 PM
These units look really great, but you mixed up the links for download (ex: part II for China is in fact part II for India). Not a big deal if you download them all, which any sane person would normally do :D

Steph
Sep 27, 2009, 11:38 PM
And I think you forgot to put Maharata Infantryman 18th C, Maharata Light cavalry 18th C. in the pack

Ogedei_the_Mad
Sep 28, 2009, 12:33 AM
You are becoming the new Sandris. :eek:

Now we FINALLY have a proper Bannerman for the Qing Dynasty. :D

georgestow
Sep 28, 2009, 12:56 AM
Eeeeeeeeepic units.
And I can finally use some of your units in my mod, thanks for the Indians!:goodjob:

Wolfhart
Sep 28, 2009, 01:06 AM
ELEPHANTS!!! Awesome! :goodjob:

96nn
Sep 28, 2009, 02:02 AM
And I think you forgot to put Maharata Infantryman 18th C, Maharata Light cavalry 18th C. in the pack

Yes. I just want to say this, too.:D

ShiroKobbure
Sep 28, 2009, 02:02 AM
WOW
Very cool. I can use all of them!

Virote_Considon
Sep 28, 2009, 02:48 AM
Very, very awesome! :D

Madeira
Sep 28, 2009, 04:25 AM
These are great! Hope to see some more Elephant units of the ancient age!

imperator1961
Sep 28, 2009, 04:36 AM
WOW
Very cool. I can use all of them!

Thanks to all for the comments. I will add the two missing units tomorrow.
Shiro: after a new Napoleonica Artillery pack (other than a remaded older units pack) and the Germans and Spanish I want made another Asia pack with others civs.;)

Yoda Power
Sep 28, 2009, 06:23 AM
Oh my... I just wish I had the time. :(

Very good pack!

Vuldacon
Sep 28, 2009, 11:24 AM
WOW... that's Quite a Pack of Units Imperator1961. A Great Deal of work that will make many People Happy :goodjob:

General 666
Sep 28, 2009, 11:31 AM
Great Pack Imperator ! I like them all.:goodjob:

btw: one of your Unit Packs has ended up in the Scenarios Database.
(http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=13359)
I was near to miss it for that reason. Should be fixed !

Mithadan
Sep 28, 2009, 11:37 PM
Wow, no way! I so did not see this coming. That's great. Totally fills a void!

TopGun
Sep 29, 2009, 04:26 AM
yes it does. yes it does! thanks, man!

The Guardian
Sep 29, 2009, 04:47 AM
Imperator you have done it again. Excellant units. Some of these I can use immediately. I am particularly interested in the Muslim Artillery 16th C. Do you think you redo these using 18th century figures with this gun. I want this gun for my coastal fortresses to use as a coastal battery in my coastalforts instead of using a field gun.

imperator1961
Sep 29, 2009, 04:58 AM
Imperator you have done it again. Excellant units. Some of these I can use immediately. I am particularly interested in the Muslim Artillery 16th C. Do you think you redo these using 18th century figures with this gun. I want this gun for my coastal fortresses to use as a coastal battery in my coastalforts instead of using a field gun.

There are some weeks that I think to made some artillery units that stand behind a wall, to simulate city/coastal battery. What do you think of this idea?

The Guardian
Sep 29, 2009, 07:09 AM
There are some weeks that I think to made some artillery units that stand behind a wall, to simulate city/coastal battery. What do you think of this idea?

Try one standing behind a parapit like that of a stone fort or castle. That might work. I don't know how it will look in the game, but it sounds cool. I'll be happy to test it for you. :goodjob: :D :D

BadKharma
Sep 29, 2009, 09:00 AM
Great job! These units definitely fill in many missing spots.

Tathlum
Sep 29, 2009, 09:19 AM
Hmm, this might drag me back into Civ3.....

Sandris
Sep 29, 2009, 02:00 PM
Andrea, that`s a great job ! Very nice and useful ! There are so many brand new animations of yours (elephants, grenade throwers, artillery ...) ! Thank you for keeping Civ3 alive ! Long live the Imperator ! :)

Blue Monkey
Sep 29, 2009, 04:21 PM
:faint:

:bowdown:

:banana:

I think the only thing left to round out India for this era would be similar units in the East India Company uniforms.
:coffee:

Ares de Borg
Sep 29, 2009, 07:12 PM
Some really good units here. I think the pallette on some units can be improved a bit, but you have managed to do some units we haven't had here for years. Yes, I'm talking about Elephants. Good work!

The Guardian
Sep 29, 2009, 11:59 PM
The link for indian part I still not working. The link is the same as indian part II

imperator1961
Sep 30, 2009, 01:54 AM
Very good packet !
Thanks
Hermenefred (H.Balck)

PS: Why do you not use better running animations for your elephants ? I can help you with some rough moves for elephants.
http://www.bilder-upload.eu/thumb/eqLJFsQvWDsGOn5.gif (http://www.bilder-upload.eu/show.php?file=eqLJFsQvWDsGOn5.gif) Click to see what I mean !

Interesting. Can you send me the Run animation for elephant? Thanks.

imperator1961
Sep 30, 2009, 01:55 AM
The link for indian part I still not working. The link is the same as indian part II

Thanks. I have now fixed it.

Yang Liu
Sep 30, 2009, 03:02 AM
Hi Imperator
No problem - send me an e-mail to : weinertweinertm@aol.com and I send you some of my moving sets for war elaphants. Also we can talk some other things ! :goodjob:

H.Balck

Ares de Borg
Sep 30, 2009, 04:16 AM
Nice running animation, Yang Liu.

Hikaro Takayama
Sep 30, 2009, 10:44 AM
You guys still haven't answered my question:

What are these guys called:

http://www.divshare.com/img/8623559-26c

They look like Ottomon Abus Guns, except they're Chinese. :confused:

Sir Karnizer
Sep 30, 2009, 11:24 AM
Hi Imperator
No problem - send me an e-mail to : weinertweinertm@aol.com and I send you some of my moving sets for war elaphants. Also we can talk some other things ! :goodjob:

H.Balck

PTOLEMEES Elephantes Hulaioi Liboukoi (African Forest Elephants):
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/ad4e3142ae.gif

Wow fantastic animation Yang Liu!!!!. Have you ready this unit for upload?:please:

Ozymandias
Sep 30, 2009, 11:41 AM
You guys still haven't answered my question:

What are these guys called:

http://www.divshare.com/img/8623559-26c

They look like Ottomon Abus Guns, except they're Chinese. :confused:

HERE's a possibility (http://www.grandhistorian.com/chinesesiegewarfare/index-english12122007.html).

I swear, I'm going to start charging for my research. :yeah: ( :joke: )

96nn
Sep 30, 2009, 11:14 PM
You guys still haven't answered my question:

What are these guys called:

http://www.divshare.com/img/8623559-26c

They look like Ottomon Abus Guns, except they're Chinese. :confused:

:crazyeye:It is the "抬枪 Taiqiang" (means "carrying gun"), a kind of weapon only existed in the Qing dynasty (not any other dynasties). It was quite huge and heavy, so must be carried by a man or a bracket.

http://www.beiyang.org/images/taiq2.jpg
http://www.beiyang.org/images/taiq3.jpg
http://www.wxgdb.com/news/upload/file/080919a8b8.jpg

Hikaro Takayama
Sep 30, 2009, 11:26 PM
It is the "抬枪 Taiqiang" (means "carrying gun"), a kind of weapon only existed in the Qing dynasty (not any other dynasties). It was quite huge and heavy, so must be carried by a man or a bracket.

http://www.beiyang.org/images/taiq2.jpg
http://www.beiyang.org/images/taiq3.jpg
http://www.wxgdb.com/news/upload/file/080919a8b8.jpg

OK, that's interesting, I've never heard of those things before.... They do seem very similar in usage to Ottoman Abus Guns, but Abus Guns had a somewhat larger bore (Usually about 2" - 3").

imperator1961
Oct 01, 2009, 04:44 AM
OK, that's interesting, I've never heard of those things before.... They do seem very similar in usage to Ottoman Abus Guns, but Abus Guns had a somewhat larger bore (Usually about 2" - 3").

Hi Hikaro, have you some pics of this Abus gun?

Hikaro Takayama
Oct 01, 2009, 06:01 PM
Hi Hikaro, have you some pics of this Abus gun?

Well, this is how they appear in the game Age of Empires III (although they would need at least two people to carry them, most of the time):

http://www.ageofempires.co.nz/images/aoe3/units/abusgun.jpg

Here is the description from Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abus_Guns

The Abus gun is an early form of howitzer or more likely a bazooka created by the Ottoman empire. They were small, but often too heavy to carry, and many were equipped with a type of tripod. They had a caliber between 3 and 9 inches (230 mm) and fired a projectile weighing 4.25 pounds. Abus guns, despite being a form of howitzer, were primarily used as an anti-infantry weapon.

Military History

Background

The Ottomans employed artillery in their armies before any European power did so. As this gun was one of the first artillery weapons ever to be used in battle, its origins are not known. Early artillery such as this gun opened the way for the developments in artillery that we have made across the ages, and spawned more recent and familiar types of artillery. They continued to develop it; by the Napoleonic era,

"Each regiment of foot artillery was made up of 10 cannons; four of the older, heavy Balyemez and Sahi cannons, two of the older, lighter Abus guns and four of the new French-designed field guns... each of which came in a bewildering range of sizes. The Balyemez were massive, long-range guns...Sahi was the Ottoman word for "field," and therefore Sahi artillery meant simply field artillery... The Abus guns were a form of howitzer and came in 10- and 7centimeter diameter bores. The French-design guns were known as SuratTopcusu (speed artillery) because of their greater mobility."

Mechanics

Abus guns were a short-barreled artillery machine that fired shots about the size of a human fist. They also had many varieties of artillery, from large siege Bombard to the mobile Abus guns in question. Though light enough to carry, they needed to be equipped with a tripod of sorts. This movability was opposed to locating them in a guarded artillery emplacement, where versatility of the weapon would have been considerably restricted. The design remained unchanged until 1830 when the Prussian military advisers appointed by the sultan made a few minor improvements, standardising the weapons in order to improve efficiency.

Historical use

Abus guns were a significant part of the Ottoman empire's artillery, and could perhaps even be referred to as the signature piece of artillery during the height of their power, in the 16th and 17th centuries, for no other civilization used a gun quite like this gun. While the Ottoman Empire employed other forms of artillery, the strategy of the moveable abus gun would have contributed to their rise during the Napoleonic Era. Indeed, at one point in the said time, after the Ottomans took Constantinople in 1453, a great achievement for any empire at that time, much of the Ottoman force was artillery.

MeteorPunch
Oct 02, 2009, 12:02 AM
I believe Maharata Infantryman 18th C and Maharata Light cavalry 18th C. were left out.

Thanks for these great units.

imperator1961
Oct 02, 2009, 02:54 AM
I believe Maharata Infantryman 18th C and Maharata Light cavalry 18th C. were left out.

Thanks for these great units.

Sorry, you're right. I'm out of home for few days and I canno add these two units at the moment, but for the end of week end I will add they.:)

D.Durand
Oct 03, 2009, 12:45 PM
Hikaro said : "Indeed, at one point in the said time, after the Ottomans took Constantinople in 1453, a great achievement for any empire at that time, much of the Ottoman force was artillery."

Errr... Constantinople was not more than a little city with overgrown walls but without population, money or soldiers two centuries before 1453...
The fall of Constantinople by the Ottomans was a heavy bang politically, but nothing more.

And remember Europeans army already took the city in the past.

imperator1961
Oct 07, 2009, 01:18 PM
Ok, in the first post I have added a new Download link for the missing units , i.e. Maharata Infantryman and Maharata Light Cavalry.

General 666
Oct 07, 2009, 02:31 PM
Thank you ! Good that you completed the Pack.:goodjob:

Ares de Borg
Oct 08, 2009, 07:05 AM
Ok, in the first post I have added a new Download link for the missing units , i.e. Maharata Infantryman and Maharata Light Cavalry.

Thanks, but I think you spelled it wrong - it's Maratha, not Maharata. ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maratha_Empire

Anyway, great units!

96nn
Jan 13, 2011, 06:36 AM
:undecide: Imperator, there is a new bug. The Chinese 18th century artillery, it seem you set the default color to red. But now, if I use other civilization colors for example blue, their faces will become terrible and look like zombies.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=278821&d=1294911308

Maybe the flc's default color should be set to blue? :eek: May you correct it?

General 666
Jan 13, 2011, 08:01 AM
:undecide: Imperator, there is a new bug. The Chinese 18th century artillery, it seem you set the default color to red. But now, if I use other civilization colors for example blue, their faces will become terrible and look like zombies.

Cool ,just the right thing for EFZI2. :shifty: