Hello

So, Have you any ideas ?

I think for hunnic that we can use the mongols UP.
And for Athens the greek UP.

thanks

EDIT : for Rome, i think too like RFC

For Macedon's UP I think there are 3 options from RFC which I would support but I guess many other ideas could be suggested as well. The first 2 are kind of similar, one is the Ottoman's unique power from RFC, which convert conquered cities' culture to the conqueror's.
Second is Arabic UP, which spreads state religion to conquered cities and automatically builds a temple and a cathedral (although if this is taken it is probably best to remove the temple and cathedral).
The third is Carthage's UP which decreases the costs of hiring mercenaries.
Out of these I think we should combine the Arabic UP and the Carthaginian so Macedon's UP will be auto spread of state religion to conquered cities (without buildings) and half recruiting cost of mercenaries (just take the same UP as Carthage's since I think a civ like Macedon deserves a UP that is 1.5 in strength).

i think that power will be too powerful

Well Macedon was a powerful civ at it's peak.

Ya, one of those is good enough, add the other and you'll probably unbalance gameplay.

I had already thought of applying the Arabic UP to Macedonians but didn't realize the same could be implemented with the Turkish UP as well. Which does Rhye find more suitable?

What about Sparta?

A defensive bonus seems most initially appropriate for Sparta. Possibly the Japanese UP.

Or perhaps all infantry start with combat 1? Seems more appropriate to me as the Spartans were known for their strong infantry, not just defensively.

To be perfectly honest I think this will suck if you use the same UPs as the ones in RFC. People like to see new toys in mods.

The Spartan hoplites (which would almost certainly be their UU) were primarily used defensively in tactical warfare, although strategically could be offensive, of course.

Another possibility would be to have a much different UP, and have a significantly beefed-up UU for the Spartans. Something which gave them extra Great Generals, perhaps.

i think about the phoenician UP:
all cities (or only coast cities) have + 2 trade route
or
+50% gold in coast cities
or
+2/3 gold from luxury ressource


about sparte :
all melee unit have a promotion (but which ?)

thank

To be perfectly honest I think this will suck if you use the same UPs as the ones in RFC. People like to see new toys in mods.

:agree:

I think the Macedonian UHV should combine elements of the Carthage UHV low cost for mercenaries as well as possibly something from Arabia/Mongolia with regards to conquering cities.

I don't think culture bonuses from the Turkish UHV make sense as the the Macedonians were not so well known for their own culture as they assimilated to Greek and even Persian/Eastern culture during the Alexander conquests.

from what i have seen in the alpha the huns already have a UP...when they raze a city (every time they conquer one) some horse archers spawn randomly around the city

Yes well I thought it could represent the merging of cultures, and btw you might want to change that to UP instead of UHV ;).

To be perfectly honest I think this will suck if you use the same UPs as the ones in RFC. People like to see new toys in mods.

Rhye being in Japan severely limits our coding ability at the moment. Another modding expert helping with such things would make new UPs much more likely.

Yeah for now I guess if we want the alpha's to include UPs we should think of which UP from RFC fits each civ to RFCGW.
So here are a couple of ideas:
RFC -------------- RFCGW
Egypt -------------- Egypt
Germany ----------- Rome
Carthage ----------- Carthage
Persia -------------- Persia
Babylon ------------ Babylon
Spain\England\Dutch - Phoenicia
Mongolia ----------- Huns
India --------------- Byzantium
Viking -------------- Celts
Arabia -------------- Macedon
Japan -------------- Sparta
Athens ------------- Greece


For the Hittites, Etruscans and Israel I have no idea for a UP, maybe the first two can get china's UP?
What do you think about my suggestions so far?

Rhye being in Japan severely limits our coding ability at the moment. Another modding expert helping with such things would make new UPs much more likely.

Oh well if they're just placeholders until Rhye comes back then it's no problem.

Perhaps Macedon's unique power would be the ability to build the unique units and buildings of those they conquer in the conquered cities.

We could use Kael's Assimilation for this.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=281289

While it would be better to come up with new UP's, the Turkish one would work great for Macedonia. Hellenization was the spread of Greek ideas and philosophy as a result of Alexander The Great's conquests. So letting cities keep their culture could represent new culture sweeping through the empire.

Perhaps Macedon's unique power would be the ability to build the unique units and buildings of those they conquer in the conquered cities.

Wouldn't that fit the Persians as well? They were generally respectful of local culture as long as tribute was paid, no? And I read somewhere that the troops used to invade Greece were levied from all over the empire.

Maybe balance it out with increased odds that cities that aren't purely Persian break away, to replicate the revolts in the Greek cities of Asia Minor and in Egypt. Plus coupled with Macedon getting the Turkish UP, it might make it possible for Macedon to conquer the whole empire in a relatively short time.

That sounds about right. :yup:


Interesting...

Has the Persian UU been decided? Could be Bactrian horsemen or Immortals(The PROPER ones this time!!!)...