I've had a look at some of the other lists out there, including ones that seem to have a large London leaning and one that includes old colonies of the british empire (along with a few mistakes like Montreal which was french).


I decided to make one of my own that will hopefully include most major cities in England (no welsh or scottish etc) and a lot of significant towns and small towns as well.


I can't spot any duplicates but if you can, please let me know.

I'd also like some feedback and feel free to add any you feel I should have, that I've missed - or places I should have put higher due to historical importance (for instance, Doncaster is now in, and high up because the fortress town of danum, then doncaster have provided a massive distribution point and then transport network hub throughout the last 2000 years).


For people like me who are ultra expansionist in the early stages, it includes a grand total of 117 locations (give or take a few).



London
York
Birmingham
Nottingham
Sheffield
Ely
Liverpool
Lancaster
Canterbury
Lincoln
Manchester
Doncaster
Leeds
Halifax
Bath
Lindisfarne
Coventry
Swindon
Newcastle
Kings Lynn
Southend On Sea
Worthing
Chester
Worcester
Barnsley
Bridgwater
Grantham
Weymouth
Bedford
Redditch
Warwick
Oxford
Boston
Eastbourne
Chichester
Colchester
Loughborough
Penzance
Dover
Shepton Mallett
Folkestone
Skegness
Buxton
Basildon
Sheerness
Dorchester
Newquay
Gillingham
Salisbury
Hastings
Worksop
Brighton
S****horpe
St Austell
Norwich
Helston
Ramsgate
Crawley
Melton Mowbray
Conisborough
Gateshead
Bodmin
Marlborough
Yeovil
Cowes
Burnley
Reading
Macclesfield
Exeter
Cambridge
Stoke On Trent
Milton Keynes
Stroud
Bristol
Leicester
Carlisle
Selby
Ipswich
Scarborough
Telford
Southampton
Portsmouth
Matlock
Harwich
Bolton
Thirsk
Middlesbrough
Sunderland
Bradford
Kendal
Blackburn
Derby
Preston
Darlington
Wolverhampton
Keswick
Hull
Barnstaple
Huddersfield
Hartlepool
Stockport
Bridlington
Luton
Gloucester
Berwick
Windermere
Whitehaven
Northampton
Grimsby
Blackpool
Cheltenham
Glastonbury
Truro
Morecambe
Plymouth
Chesterfield
Rotherham

S****horpe....

.... I dont know what this is supposed to be, but you have to do it again with some * or something else. :D

it's theboard's swear-blocker.

Scùnthorpe (thank god for foreign characters :D )

hehe. Sounds cool./ Hehe...worksop
Wasn't that the village in the maid marian tv series?

Also, can you add in Southend?

Perhaps you would consider doing a list of countys?

I'd put Manchester in the top five, in today's world it is England's second city. It's true that Birmingham has a higher population but in a recent poll Manchester was considered by the people as the second city.
I suppose if you're going off the time it was founded maybe York should be ahead of it, but i don't understand why Liverpool, Sheffield etc. are ahead of it.

it was in the show, yes.

one of the oldest villages/towns about.

I thought about southend on sea and left it, but will happily add it (with basildon) when I update the list some point in the next few days.

it's historical prominence and importance to England has never been much until about 200 years ago. It was outshone by liverpool until recently and historically played 2nd fiddle to lancaster.

the main reason york comes in second is cos it was the old capital for many many years. Birmingham for size and strategic reasons. the others for historical importance.

The basis being that as the game begins with nothing built, your cities will be added in a reasonable order of importance to the country in it's early stages all the way down the list to Coventry at which point it becomes random. 18 or so cities is reasonably sized and you'll have the important ones in by then.

I admit some comes down to preference - hence scummy leicester being down with the dregs :D



damn - I just noticed Sheffield in twice!

'outshone by liverpool'.... TAKE THAT BACK!!!!!.... Manchester was the birthplace of the industrial revolution, the computer and is the place where the atom was first split.... Liverpool hhmmmmmm... The beatles and errrrrrr... nothing!

What happened to Winchester? In terms of historical importance and precedence it should definitely be in, and fairly high up the list (certainly above Coventry...!)

Probably also should be in:

St. Albans (Verulamium in Roman times)
Chelmsford (historically important as my birth-place :D )
Burton on Trent (for services to the brewing industry :beer: )
Bury St. Edmunds ( :beer: )

...and anywhere else with a well-known brewery...

The industrial revolution was born in Sheffield with the Bessemer Converter, the computer was made first in berlin by konrad zeus and it's usually it's only heads that are split in manchester.

The only good things to come out of manchester are the people who weren't born there ;)


annoying accent, arrogant footy fans and an inferiority complex about dem robbin scousers :D ;)


back to the list tho - as liverpool was a major port, dockyard, storage point and the end point of the major canal network bringing goods in for trade around the world, and goods from around the world back to the nation, it has to take precendence.

sorry! :)

then Winchester shall be added :)

i better on to my college tutor's then, turns out we all get taught the computer was invented in manchester and the guy that did it was gay and killed himself because it was something to be ashamed about at the time. I was also told that it was used to help crack the enigma code in world war two, and i have seen in on many tv programs claiming it was made in manchester.

You may be right about the industrial revolution but manchester was the biggest cotton producer in the world and was known as cottonopalace or something like that.

The atom was first split in manchester.

Karl Marx lived in manchester for a time and based his theories on a factory in ancoats. Which was fairly important.

The Manchester Ship canal didnt go through liverpool, infact it was birkenhead.

We manchester united fans have a right to be arrogant over the past decade and are infact the best fans in the world.

Yes scousers are robbers.

Anyway im obviously biased and will not change my mind,

sorry!

:lol:

Thanks, I might actually use this...

PTW players will be able to pick me out from the map because I've been playing the English regularly, using names of London suburbs instead of their current list. I think including all the big, boring ( ;) ) cities from the Midlands loses the flavor of early and medieval England, where "Barnet,"St. Albans" and "Westminster" do a far better job.

But this list has a decent spread; I will give it a try.

R.III

do a search on konrad zeus. invented the first electromechanical binary computer in the 30's. I believe the gay bloke from manc land created the first one that remains in existence.

The atom was first split by Fermi (an italian) at the universities of Goettingen. he even won the nobel prize for it in 1938. Manchester's only atomic history of significance is John Dalton being buried there, who invented the periodic table.

It wasn't even a city until the 1850's. It's wealth almost completely from the cotton trade and cotton warehouses (much of which was brought in from elsewhere in lancashire and yorkshire as well).


nobody said a thing about the manchester ship canal. I'm on about the Leeds - Liverpool canal that brought the wealth of linens, iron, coal and so on across to Liverpool to export. It was the main communications and trade port with both ireland, thew west indies, and the americas. in the early 1800's it controlled over 45% of the world's trade. it's city status was delayed to 1880 due to tax reasons in gold trade for the crown (the government paid a lower rate to the crown if it was simply a dock and town so the royal charter was delayed).


as for football - what goes around comes around. it's only recently man ure have come back from years in the wilderness. still some way to go to beat liverpool's 18 or so titles.


btw - I can't stand liverpool either. but REALLY hate the mancs ;) :D (who were really quiet in footballing terms until a certain mister cantona turned their fortunes around - and stagnating as a city until the bomb in 1996 forced investment into it). never had anything but trouble with man ure fans who are either shandy drinking southern wannabe's who are tired of supporting stevenage borough and support man u cos they had an aunty who went there once and other tenuous links - and the other old die-hards are almost as thuggish as leeds scum. but not quite.



*dangles bait*

Shouldn't Bristol be a little higher on the list? I thought it was an important port city for at least some time. As for missing cities: Stratford-upon-Avon (Shakespeare!) Cheddar (spawned a famous cheese!) and Weston Super Mare.

will add and re-jig in a short while :)

I really should put ironbridge in as well.

one of the cities is called S****horpe we cant use that so remove it or give it the real name.

You say that we were really quiet in footballing terms until a certain mister cantona turned our fortunes around, true but dont forget that we were the first english club to win the euro cup and would have won it ten years earlie if it were not for munich... and even when we were crap we still had the highest attendences in the land, in the 74/75 season when we were in the old second div we had the highest attendence in the whole country, including liverpool who won everything at the time