I will try to save whatever can be saved....
So pleaso don't move this thread away.. It will be a base fo a new Creation Thread!!!


Thunderfall
I see now how you could create such a realy perfect page! Thank you for setting things right!

Let's calm down - let's stop shouting at each other - let's go back on work...

nonnob3
Please don't stop the Team Work! Going on in Creating is the only logical goal!
Let's make a new Team name up - maybe more "international" (see my post below)..


Most Important is Creating - and that won't stop!!!


CurtSibling
There was no reason to get rid of your Avatar... This is the normal German Army Cross- still used today. The same with the "Iron Cross" - Cross.

Winter
I now you are right.. But we have to "swim with the stream"... Let's forget the whole thing, let's build up at the scattered piece like after war - and let's start again: Stronger, Prouder, Better!

My suggestions for the new Team


* We make an aditional list of ALL WW2 units made by the team.. (e.g. Kentonio made a lot)

* The Ranking System could be updated, so that Italian, Japaneese, US, British, French and Sovjet Ranks are allowed too. (Army, Air Force and Navy of course)



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About the new US Team...
Ok, Senoj started his new Team at a bad time, but I'm sure we can work togehter in a civilized way..

...

Anyway... One Shot fired, and all is scattered to pieces...
I don't like that it has gone this way... But ...
Most Important is Creating - and that won't stop!!!

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So.. I will wait what's going on here.. I hope things wil settle soon...

I communicated with CourtSilbing.. We still remain at CFC...

I wait the 3 days banning of some other Members.. If they will come back I'm sure we can continue our work...

If the other Team comrades go away to another page, or if we make our own page, I will go with them..,

If some people remain I will try to organize somthing.. But without Winter or Nonnob3 I see no chances for that...


I hope I CU guys in three days,,,,

He Curtsilbing! Your e-mail you sent me as wrong!

Everybody who want's to remain part of this team, or axis member or something else.. Please post here...
We need all support we get, or we will have to go away!

Well said pi8ch.

Although I have never been a member of your team (I'm far too busy with ancient units), I have nonetheless followed your great work with much interest.

The real test for your team....or any team for that matter....is how well friends stick together and support each other in times of crisis.
I'd like to think that your team has the strength to overcome the current difficulties and set the past behind them.
Please don't prove me wrong.

All the best for the future. :goodjob:

The Problem is that most Members who invested much work were threaten like criminals...

Now they are disilosuinated....

But Thanks for the support!

I think you should work a bit "public relation". I have nothing against german units, I think some of the one you made area really nice.
What I disliked was the fact that there seemed to be only german. What's the point of having new german unique units for everything, but no one to fight??
I discovered afterward that there were other countries, like the Turban Infantry, but it disappeared amongst the other.

So I suggest that you try to go for something indeed more international : do german, but also other countries, and make it known by everybody.

WWII team is a far better name I think

FREEDOM FOR WHAT EVER CALLED YOU FREEDOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

One question, who had the problem with the Third Reich Team? I personally saw it as one of the biggest pushes for unit creation for civIII even though it was only german units. Also, for the people who had the problem with to many german units, why didnt you make your own units for the WWII time period? If you were offended by this unit creation time, grow up. WWII happened, CivIII is a HISTORICAL GAME. No one has created gas chambers, death camps and anti-semitism (that i know of), and even if they did, its part of history. I fully support the Third Reich Team, as that name. I think changing the name would be stupid, because your allowing history to ignored.

I have nothing against german units, just against the lack of others. I would love to to be able to recreate WWII with unique units for everybody. But as I don't know anything about animation, or even drawing, I have no choice but to rely on other's job.

I am really contended by what the Third Reich Team has done with German units. But I still think German are now lacking ennemies. A French saying says "A vaincre sans péril, on triomphe sans gloire" (a victory with no danger gives a triumph with no glory).

Right now, they can't fight only "English Tommy" looking units (for Infantry at least). It would be very nice to see GI, or Russian Infantry. And perhaps some paratroopers to.

The pb doesn't exist with armor, as the US, Russian and English all have specific tank done.

Here is an update about the current situation:

I deleted all the "off-topic" posts from the Third Reich unit team thread (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=21647) and will re-open it on Monday. Hopefully this will make it easier for all of us to get past this incident...

The thread name is currently renamed to "THE WWII Civ Team (units, mods and other)", as requested by nonnob. If you guys would like the term Third Reich appear in thread title, I can change it to "The Third Reich unit team (units, mods and other)".

WINTER, Senoj, and OmniMower will be unbanned on Monday.
guyincorner will be unbanned on Tuesday.

This is important: If any of you still have complaints, please PM me instead. Don't post them to this thread.

Feel free to use this thread to talk about the future of the team. All I ask is try not to make the situation any worse. I would really hate to ban any more people.

Thanks.

Tpasmall, I quite agree with you. And I have to more things to add:

1: If everyone cannot have the same freedoms, wherever they may be, than noone should have freedoms.

2: History should NEVER be ignored nor forgotten, for it is only when that happens when history repeats itself:

"Time flows like a river, and history repeats itself" is one of my mottos. It basically means that people will eventually forget, even just a tad, which is when history will reenact itself in some like yet different way.

Example: Alexander the Great -to- Atilla the Hun -to- Willaim the Conqueror -to- Chingges Khaan, the Great Khan -to- Hernando Cortéz -to- Adolf Hitler -to- ???, perhaps George Bush II at this rate. See how it is all like, yet different?

Originally posted by Wheel Gator
perhaps George Bush II at this rate.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees that. Probably shouldn't be saying it in this thread or forum, but Dubbya is starting to look like a dictator, isn't he? Expanding his powers and insisting that America speaks with his voice.

yeah, and congress just gave him just about absolute power now.

sween32: I totally agree, as do many of my friends. He will be the cause of WW3 because he goes against everyones views (even congress at this point).

Anyway, the TRT has given me soo many great quality units for my web page and I would greatly appreciate a fully-animated WWII mod.

I would hate to see the TRT break up completely, and we will not fully know the future until Monday. Cross your fingers guys.

Someone should get started on a WW3 mod ASAP so that it is ready by the time the war starts. We can all guess who will be involved. It would be kind of cool to simulate a war on your PC as it happens.

GIDustin

This is my point of view. People are too sensitive. Blah blah blah, i'm sure i offended someone with that comment as yes WW2 was horibble. But I'm Polish. i know what happened in that war. I have no Grandparents because of that awful event in history. But I was not offended by the third riech team. If they want to make German WW2 units, if they want to call them selves the TRT, and if they want to have a rank system with German words, LET THEM. I have no problem with it. And TF if you are threatend with a lawsuit buy a few whining babies, just contact me. I can testify on the side of someone who isn't offended and has to live a life without family members because of that war. And also, I'm Christian, i find the porno on the net offensive, but can I threaten to sue playboy or the hundreds of porn sites on the net? NO, thus I dont know if that is a frivilous threat or not. But i understand why you were worried. But I'd look into it.

And also, how long has the TRT been around for? I dont remember hearing as much as a peep from anyone else about that name before this.

But if changing the name helps stop this unpleasantness, i have to say perhapse it may be worth it. I mean we dont want to loose these talented unit creators. But if Nonnob3 does leave for good, his wishes should be respected and his units should be removed from the server.

So am i completely off my rocker? Or am i making sense?

The WW2 Units thread is not dead.

We will keep a presence here at CFC, and thank you pi8ch, for your enthusiasm.

But we have re-opened our own creation forum in another site.
Ran by an administrator who knows we CREATE...not DICTATE!

I will be at CFC less now, because I will be channeling my time into supporting the nonob3 and the other expert mod makers on the new forum.

Our efforts will be unhindered by those who just can't understand that an iron cross doesn't make you a nazi murderer.

I will also help pi8ch any way I can...

It was good here, for a while!
But check out the link on my sig if you still want to download superb Civ WW2 units!!!

:goodjob:

See you all Later!!!

Originally posted by Furry Spatula
This is my point of view. People are too sensitive. Blah blah blah, i'm sure i offended someone with that comment as yes WW2 was horibble. But I'm Polish. i know what happened in that war. I have no Grandparents because of that awful event in history. But I was not offended by the third riech team. If they want to make German WW2 units, if they want to call them selves the TRT, and if they want to have a rank system with German words, LET THEM. I have no problem with it. And TF if you are threatend with a lawsuit buy a few whining babies, just contact me. I can testify on the side of someone who isn't offended and has to live a life without family members because of that war. And also, I'm Christian, i find the porno on the net offensive, but can I threaten to sue playboy or the hundreds of porn sites on the net? NO, thus I dont know if that is a frivilous threat or not. But i understand why you were worried. But I'd look into it.

And also, how long has the TRT been around for? I dont remember hearing as much as a peep from anyone else about that name before this.

But if changing the name helps stop this unpleasantness, i have to say perhapse it may be worth it. I mean we dont want to loose these talented unit creators. But if Nonnob3 does leave for good, his wishes should be respected and his units should be removed from the server.

So am i completely off my rocker? Or am i making sense?

Not at all, you make sense.
You can tell the difference between a group of unit mod-makers and a horrible dictatorship.

I am from a town in Scotland where the Luftwaffe killed thousands of civilians.
But I don't find the TRT offensive, because they denounce the excesses of the nazis like all of us.

A few avatars don't make a facist regime.
If so, wouldn't Simon Darkshade rule the world already? :lol:

But seriously, CFC has it's rules, I have never argued about that,
I have the very top respect for TF and AoA, and the other staff.

But we are now in a more open-minded site,
so if you want to see WW2 units without the political correctness, come visit us sometime!!!

TEAM ANOUNCEMENT
I enjoyed my time at CFC realy much.
Unfortunatly because of some bad circumstances we were forced to leave this page.
We have found another home where we will continue our work.
Because of this I won't try to built up a new version of TRT here.

I personaly will surf on time to time on CFC, and I think I will publish my future units here as well. Of course i can't say if the other Team Members will do so.

Thanks to Thunderfall - a wise and good Admin. I'm sorry and a bit sad to leave...

Good bye CFC, I will drop by on time....


This thread my be closed...

Why are u guy's making a big deal out of german units??


There are many other units.....I mean we had a guy that only makes Russian untis.....we had a guy that makes swedisch units....and so on........

IT'S ONLY A GAME! AND THE CREATORS OF THOSE UNITS ARE MAKING THEM 4 FUN!


amen.

I have an idea for u guy's...

make this goddamm unit.... :) It's a Dutch Navy ship. So no US or German.....just Dutch.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=34092

Sorry - But I overthinked the whole thing. I have to leave CFC entirely. You will find my work at cdg (http://www.cdgroup.org/forums/tbs/civ3/viewforum.php?f=69)

I will only surf on this page as a downloader in the furure!

It's unfortunate you guys have chosen to leave....

In any case, I will still re-open that thread and unban Senoj, Omni, and Winter tomorrow. Whether you return or not is your choice...

Always happy civing! :)

I will remove Third Reich team units from the server also, since I see pi8ch started to post unit removed message in his unit threads.

While I agree people should be less sensitive, I also realize that TF had to do what's best for the community, and packing up and leaving shop, IMO, is really just saying "screw you, unless we can do what we want we're leaving". I would have had a few harsher words if I was TF, but I suppose that's why I'm not an admin at my own forum. ;)

I mean, what does leaving accomplish aside from saying "our way or the highway"?

We all do what we have to do I guess. :( CFC is a global community with all kinds of people. I have to say removing Nazi titles from signatures and avatars is best for the site. I am sorry you guys can't understand my position.

Third Reich team members: please email me a list of your unit threads that you want to be deleted from CFC. I am sure we are all sick of this little signature problem and want to put an end to it asap.

The Third Reich team thread probably should remain closed and this "Save the WWII Civ TEAM" thread is becoming pointless...

Though I empathize with their situation, I also do with yours TF, and I understand why you had to do what you did. What I don't understand is why they feel the need to leave, rather than move on. It's childish and immature, IMO, and there are better ways to handle the situation. It's like censoring obscene words... while it may not offend some (many) people, it does to a large portion of the community, and it's the admin's responsibility to provide the community with the best environment as he can, not to be fair, and it's the member's responsibility to accept that and move on.

Anyways, I'm going off on a tangent. While I'll be sorry to see a great brainchild of creativity leave, if this is how they plan on ending their presence here, I won't miss them too much.

You are going off on tangent, Trip, my boy.

We have been along this road a million times now and is starting to sound like a broken record.

We only wanted to make units in a WW2 vein, with some fun and community.
Excessive censorship is the real enemy here.
Nothing childish about leaving a site going where the open minds are.

The reason the TRT left is because we got a whole load of bannings and a kick in the teeth even though we had done nothing wrong.
Despite a million explanations, certain people saw WW2 imagery and did not like it.
The team were never racists or political, just wanted an uncensored WW2 environment.

The CFC rules do not acommodate this, however.
The team acknowledged the rules by leaving.

Are you unhappy with this?

Trip, why should you give a damn anyway???

The TRT has moved out...
Upstanding, politically correct people can sleep safely now, free from the evils of real WW2 history.


There is nothing more to say.

Keeping this thread open is a pointless waste of server resources.

Could TF or one of the mods close this baby down?

Sure. This thread is really pointless now.