View Full Version : Prefered Government Type?


DukEngnr
Oct 25, 2002, 01:59 PM
If I'm correct here, one of the new aspects of PTW is that each civ has a 'prefered' government type... what exactly does that mean? Is this kind of like a watered down WLTKD more or less that increases production slightly?

KaNick
Oct 25, 2002, 02:03 PM
I think that it applys to the ai programing. Meaning that a civ is more likly to pick that kind of gov than any other.

Sultan Bhargash
Oct 25, 2002, 02:07 PM
I always wondered if that was the only impact. I noticed that somehow playing as France (prefer republic) that when I switched from Republic to Democracy my science got worse...

Catt
Oct 25, 2002, 02:07 PM
It already exists in Civ 3. You can see various civs' "preferred" and "shunned" governments in the editor. I'm not sure if it affects an AI's "attitude" towards another AI (as we never get to see that), but I am pretty sure that it doesn;t affect an AI civ's own government choice -- they will generally choice the most efficient peace-time or wartime governement, given the circumstances.

What it does do is affect the AI's attitude towards the human player -- while you are in a particular AI civ's "shunned" government, that AI's attitude towards you will be biased negatively; while you are in a particular AI civ's "preferred" government, that AI's attitude towards you will be biased positively.

But governement choice is but one of many factors that seem to affect AI attitudes.

Sultan Bhargash
Oct 25, 2002, 02:49 PM
Catt- wow I never knew! Just one more factor that makes the AI Furious at me! Thanks!

cgannon64
Oct 25, 2002, 03:26 PM
Originally posted by Catt
It already exists in Civ 3. You can see various civs' "preferred" and "shunned" governments in the editor. I'm not sure if it affects an AI's "attitude" towards another AI (as we never get to see that), but I am pretty sure that it doesn;t affect an AI civ's own government choice -- they will generally choice the most efficient peace-time or wartime governement, given the circumstances.

What it does do is affect the AI's attitude towards the human player -- while you are in a particular AI civ's "shunned" government, that AI's attitude towards you will be biased negatively; while you are in a particular AI civ's "preferred" government, that AI's attitude towards you will be biased positively.

But governement choice is but one of many factors that seem to affect AI attitudes.

:eek: I always thought preferred and shunned were optional things in the editor, I didn't know every civ had one automatically! Where can I see them; I'm interested to learn what each civ's preferred and shunned govt is!

CG

warpstorm
Oct 25, 2002, 03:28 PM
Look in the editor.

cgannon64
Oct 25, 2002, 03:45 PM
Originally posted by warpstorm
Look in the editor.

The editor and I don't get along; we've had bad experiences lately. I prefer our contact to be minimal. ;)

CG

lincon
Oct 25, 2002, 04:08 PM
it mean the goverment that they like the most and that in CIV3 also

royfurr
Oct 25, 2002, 04:31 PM
Originally posted by cgannon64


The editor and I don't get along; we've had bad experiences lately. I prefer our contact to be minimal. ;)

CG

For v. 1.29:

Civ Favorite Shunned

Rome Republic Communism


Egypt Despotism Republic


Greece Democracy Despotism


Babylon Monarchy Despotism


Germany Republic Communism


Russia Communism Democracy


China Communism Monarchy


America Democracy Communism


Japan Monarchy Republic


France Republic Monarchy


India Democracy Despotism


Persia Monarchy Republic


Aztecs Despotism Monarchy


Zululand Despotism Republic


Iroquois Communism Monarchy


England Democracy Despotism


I make no statement as to how "right" these selections are, they are just what is shown for each civ in the editor when you load the civ3mod.bic that comes with patch 1.29.

sorry in advance if these show up out of alignment in the foum- they are aligned here in the "Post Reply" screen.

Enjoy. Civ On!

Sim_One
Oct 25, 2002, 05:19 PM
If you use an AI's shunned gov't it may be likely to stay annoyed or furious. If you use a preferred gov't you are more likely to get gracious attitudes.

Napoleon Hitler
Oct 25, 2002, 05:21 PM
You can use [ code ] to make them appear right [/ code ].

Napoleon Hitler
Oct 25, 2002, 05:23 PM
Civ Favorite Shunned

Rome Republic Communism


Egypt Despotism Republic


Greece Democracy Despotism


Babylon Monarchy Despotism


Germany Republic Communism


Russia Communism Democracy


China Communism Monarchy


America Democracy Communism


Japan Monarchy Republic


France Republic Monarchy


India Democracy Despotism


Persia Monarchy Republic


Aztecs Despotism Monarchy


Zululand Despotism Republic


Iroquois Communism Monarchy


England Democracy Despotism
Edit: You should space them out in notepad where each character occupies the same space, so that it doesn't waver like this.

King_Lewis
Oct 25, 2002, 05:29 PM
So it make the game more realistic, USA is democracy and hated Commies. LOL

lincon
Oct 25, 2002, 05:30 PM
that is right

King_Lewis
Oct 25, 2002, 05:34 PM
Communism Rocks

Silverflame
Oct 25, 2002, 09:47 PM
I actually find that the shunned and favorite governments dont do much. the AI always seems to be in democracy, even Russia. There should be a more significant difference, but that would probably cause nobody to be Aztecs or Zulu, since they like despotism so much

naervod
Oct 25, 2002, 11:49 PM
Ya, AI does seem to be in Democracy alot. I prefer Communism so i loook at the armies
and its like egypt, england, usa, france, greece, aztecs are democracy and iroquois(fav) is communusm

cymru_man
Oct 26, 2002, 04:09 AM
I always find AI in democracy when I am in communism, but I don't mind that much because it makes them that much easier to destroy. I didn't know the favourite and shunned govts affected their attitude towards you though.

cgannon64
Oct 26, 2002, 06:14 AM
Why is the Iroquois fav government communism? First of all, they never lived to that time, and second of all, weren't they a republic? The Seven Nations, right? One of the first Native American republics...strange. I'd think they would be a republic or a monarchy.

CG

Free Enterprise
Oct 26, 2002, 07:17 AM
Monarchy>Communism, Monarchy makes far more $ per turn and has better technology. The extra secret police doesn't help very much and incourages you to build uneeded defense units. The theiving spys make almost no difference.

Communism is like it is in real life, in Civ 3.... :)

Also, the Aztecs were the only ones I have ever seen that did not try to get into Democracy by the industrial age(if at peace). They switched to communism.

Silverflame
Oct 26, 2002, 09:03 AM
A lot of these do not seem to make sense, besides the Iroquois question. China is Communism Monarchy, which I understand since Sun Yixian's main goal was to abolish the dynasty system. However, wouldnt this be the same for England, who used to have monarchs and then swich to being democratic? So why are they shunning despotism?

Also, I thought Egypt had monarchs, not tyrants, but im not so sure

Sultan Bhargash
Oct 26, 2002, 10:35 AM
Originally posted by Silverflame
A lot of these do not seem to make sense, besides the Iroquois question. China is Communism Monarchy, which I understand since Sun Yixian's main goal was to abolish the dynasty system. However, wouldnt this be the same for England, who used to have monarchs and then swich to being democratic? So why are they shunning despotism?

Also, I thought Egypt had monarchs, not tyrants, but im not so sure

I know the purpose is not to debate things that firaxis programmed, but England certainly isn't going to have Monarchy as their shunned gov, they still have a bit of a monarchy, which long ago was proven would not be allowed to become despotry.

Egypt's Pharoahs were theocrats, something not allowed in Civ3's "no fanaticism" environment. So you could call them monarchs, but they did have absolute power and they were capable of using it to some very wierd ends (interring their servants and pets, chasing the Hebrews around dried sea bottoms, marrying their sisters, etc.).

I would say with only six government types to choose from, they did a pretty good job approximating this table.

And now I know why the odd jumps from Polite to Gracious whenever I am a Republic and I deal with Joan.

Yzman
Oct 26, 2002, 02:27 PM
I think the Iroquiois have communism because they didn't really have a centralized government. Everyone was equal per say.