Angmar
Oct 25, 2002, 04:28 PM
I would like to know the factors for keeping good relations with the other Civs. In general I play a fairly warlike game play style and have little use for true relations with the other Civs. The game I started last weekend ended with the Indians winning because of a diplomatic victory ( dammit I forgot to click that off! )
When I was starting out I decided I wanted to win once with each way and I did have a Diplomatic victory. I played as Babylon and all I did was build defensive units and expanding through culture. Each time I got a new technology I made sure that everyone else in the world had it. Went very well and everyone but Germany ( the big war monger nation ) love me and voted for me.
Beyond this one game I find it very very hard to keep good relationships with Civilizations. Ill site a couple examples from my most recent game.
I had fought a few wars on my starting continent. I had picked a couple Civilizations as my token allies for what wars were to come. For the first while the Iroquois were excellent allies. They helped me win a war vs Japan, then Rome, then China. I knew another was was coming be it with America or Aztec I couldnt tell, but I knew that I had expanded to quickly and didnt have enough troops to defend both sides of my empire and rail roads were a long way off. I needed a friend. I sign into a MPP with the Iroquois. The war with America starts, but then some how they get into a war with France. At this time France was the only other nation that I had good relations with. I had traded lots of tech, gold and currently we were swaping furs for wines. Of course I am forced to declare war on France. France at the time was an Island nation. I never attacked France, I never even built a boat to try and attack them. They landed a couple troops near my border with the Iroquois which are quickly taken care of with the Iroquois using my roads. Finally France comes and offers me peace and I gladly accept. From this point on they hate me and no matter what tech or gold I give to them they will not be my friends. They declared war on someone who I had an MPP with, they attack me, and when we make peace they hate me for it? ARR.
Now the back to the Iroquois. They had been my friend since 3000 bc. They were one of the first Civs I met and had always traded with them providing them what they needed. In the 1700-1800s the massive main continent we were on had been thinned out a great deal. I was in the middle, the Iroqouis to the North, the Indians to the west and the Aztec to the East. Since me the Iroquois had spent the previous 1000 years removing atleast 4 civs from our borders the Indians and the Aztecs had been allowed to build a massive amount of troops. I start building nothing but infantry and artillery through out my sprawling nation. This was the first time my Civ had been at peace for an extended period in what felt like thousands of years. I was really getting a leg up. I had expanded a great deal, now I was filling in my nation with culture and strong defences. I check back with my relations with the Iroqouis and they are cautious to me. I give them everything I have to offer them, still cautious. I simply do not understand what I did to upset them. I gave them wines, technology and hell even 500 bucks and 50 a turn.. and when it came down to it they Voted for India for the UN and I lost the game. Double ARR.
I never broke an agreement with them. I actually tend to think that the only agreement I ever broke with any nation was a peace agreement with Egypt around 1000 bc to remove their last city.
It would be awesome if someone could explain how the AI reacts to certain things. It seems as though if you do one thing wrong the AI thinks of it as the end of the world and will hold a grudge till the end of the game. Can someone define the AI behaviour?
Cheers,
When I was starting out I decided I wanted to win once with each way and I did have a Diplomatic victory. I played as Babylon and all I did was build defensive units and expanding through culture. Each time I got a new technology I made sure that everyone else in the world had it. Went very well and everyone but Germany ( the big war monger nation ) love me and voted for me.
Beyond this one game I find it very very hard to keep good relationships with Civilizations. Ill site a couple examples from my most recent game.
I had fought a few wars on my starting continent. I had picked a couple Civilizations as my token allies for what wars were to come. For the first while the Iroquois were excellent allies. They helped me win a war vs Japan, then Rome, then China. I knew another was was coming be it with America or Aztec I couldnt tell, but I knew that I had expanded to quickly and didnt have enough troops to defend both sides of my empire and rail roads were a long way off. I needed a friend. I sign into a MPP with the Iroquois. The war with America starts, but then some how they get into a war with France. At this time France was the only other nation that I had good relations with. I had traded lots of tech, gold and currently we were swaping furs for wines. Of course I am forced to declare war on France. France at the time was an Island nation. I never attacked France, I never even built a boat to try and attack them. They landed a couple troops near my border with the Iroquois which are quickly taken care of with the Iroquois using my roads. Finally France comes and offers me peace and I gladly accept. From this point on they hate me and no matter what tech or gold I give to them they will not be my friends. They declared war on someone who I had an MPP with, they attack me, and when we make peace they hate me for it? ARR.
Now the back to the Iroquois. They had been my friend since 3000 bc. They were one of the first Civs I met and had always traded with them providing them what they needed. In the 1700-1800s the massive main continent we were on had been thinned out a great deal. I was in the middle, the Iroqouis to the North, the Indians to the west and the Aztec to the East. Since me the Iroquois had spent the previous 1000 years removing atleast 4 civs from our borders the Indians and the Aztecs had been allowed to build a massive amount of troops. I start building nothing but infantry and artillery through out my sprawling nation. This was the first time my Civ had been at peace for an extended period in what felt like thousands of years. I was really getting a leg up. I had expanded a great deal, now I was filling in my nation with culture and strong defences. I check back with my relations with the Iroqouis and they are cautious to me. I give them everything I have to offer them, still cautious. I simply do not understand what I did to upset them. I gave them wines, technology and hell even 500 bucks and 50 a turn.. and when it came down to it they Voted for India for the UN and I lost the game. Double ARR.
I never broke an agreement with them. I actually tend to think that the only agreement I ever broke with any nation was a peace agreement with Egypt around 1000 bc to remove their last city.
It would be awesome if someone could explain how the AI reacts to certain things. It seems as though if you do one thing wrong the AI thinks of it as the end of the world and will hold a grudge till the end of the game. Can someone define the AI behaviour?
Cheers,