Domestic Leader: Eklektikos
Domestic Deputy: Fionn McCumhall

Previous Term's Domestic Dept thread (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=33213).

Current in-game Domestic Advisor report:

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads2/DomesticBC0825.jpg

Please post in this thread any queries or requests regarding Fanatikan domestic matters or policy. However please do not attempt to use this as an issue discussion thread. All discussions regarding in-game decisions should take place within dedicated threads in the citizen's forum.

Official City placement poll (part one) (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=35394). Time is short so please vote as soon as possible if you wish to have your say!

Hey... It wasnt that chaotic...
Okay, mabey it was...
Just a question:
Something I campaigned for last term was Palace Prebuilds. Whats your opinion on them?

Originally posted by Stuck_As_a_Mac
Just a question:
Something I campaigned for last term was Palace Prebuilds. Whats your opinion on them?

At this point I would not be in favour of prebuilding for any Wonder, or even attempting to self-build a Great Wonder at all. I think the shields would be better spent on other more immediately useful things such as military units, settlers, workers and the occasional temple.

Note that this is simply my opinion and not an attempt to unilaterally decide domestic policy ;)

Originally posted by Eklektikos
Note that this is simply my opinion and not an attempt to unilaterally decide domestic policy ;)

Gun-shy already? It's not even been a day. :)

Nonetheless, congratulations from the Cartographic Office! We are looking forward to the addition of many wonderful cities and provincial borders to add to our glorious maps.

As deputy of the Domestic Department, Fionn McCumhall has been awarded city naming rights. Please be sure to register your city name with our office (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=34519).

Current City Information:

Top Cities:
Stat City Produced
Food Bavaria 8
Shield Bavaria 9
Commerece Bavaria 6
Happiness/Content/Sad Bavaria 2/0/2
Science Bavaria 1
Treasury Contribution Bavaria 4
Maintnence 3 way tie* 1

*Bavaria, Valhalla, Morgana

City Ratios:
Key:
F/E - Total Food / Food Eaten
S/W - Shields / Waste (red shields)
C/C - Commerce / Corruption
I/M - Income / Maintenance
R - Ratio Value

City F / E R S / W R C / C R I / M R
Bavaria 8 / 8 1:1 9 / 0 9:0 6 / 0 6:0 6 / 1 6:1
Valhalla 7 / 4 7:4 5 / 0 5:0 3 / 0 3:0 3 / 1 3:1
Morgana 5 / 4 5:4 5 / 1 5:1 3 / 0 3:0 3 / 1 3:1
Khukaff 5 / 2 5:2 2 / 0 2:0 1 / 0 1:0 1 / 0 1:0
Tlaxcala 3 / 3 1:1 2 / 2 1:1 1 / 1 1:1 0 / 0 1:1
Bremershaven 4 / 2 2:1 2 / 1 2:1 1 / 0 1:0 1 / 0 1:0
Tenochtitlan 4 / 2 2:1 1 / 1 1:1 2 / 2 1:1 0 / 0 1:1

Sooo... ya need a chat rep? As the vice president, I think I'll just be fartin' around for a bit...

Originally posted by Octavian X
Sooo... ya need a chat rep? As the vice president, I think I'll just be fartin' around for a bit...
Reckon you might want to wait for Shaitan to announce the chat schedule before you volunteer - I have a feeling it'll be somewhat different to that which we have become used to...

* ...and then a hush fell over the crowd, most of them wondering what they would see when the curtains opened...*

:lol: Congratulations Eklektikos. It's good to see you've claimed yet another top spot in the Government. I like the idea of the Domestic Advisor's Screen up top. I assume that will be changing every t/c.

Best of luck to you and Fionn. He's a good man.

EK, we'll need those Provincial Borders as well as the next 2 city locations. The cities take precedence, of course.

Official City placement poll (part two) (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=35462). This one deals with the city after next, and is a quick poll

Again, time is short so please vote as soon as possible if you wish to influence the end decision!

The President beat me to it but I would like to renew a request I made at the beginning of term 2:

Can we please set some provincial borders?

Originally posted by donsig
The President beat me to it but I would like to renew a request I made at the beginning of term 2:

Can we please set some provincial borders?
I'll be looking into that over the course of the day. Expect some visible action on the issue either this evening or tomorrow.

Eklektikos
Here is a link to the most recent discussion thread on provincial borders (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=34897). I'm pretty sure it contains all of the proposals to date as well as several links to prior discussion threads and/or polls on the subject.

As always, the Cartographic Office is available to assist you in this endeavor.

Thanks FortyJ :goodjob:

Discussion on "landbridge" city sites (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=35487) has been posted in the Citizen's Forum.

Pardon me... Im just looting....
*Steals some stuff*

Didn't your mother ever tell you that it's foolish to steal from warmongers? :evil:

already looted my own office. figured i might move next door. i just took some pens, anyway

got to get a new lock on the door

A definitive poll regarding provincial borders (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=35586) has been posted.

I have posted quick polls to decide where our next city will be placed (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=35602) and where the city after that will be placed (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=35605) also. Please vote in these polls as soon as possible if you wish to influence the final decision!

We have 2 settler/spear pairs ready to run so need at least 2 more city placements. The two that were decided already have been settled.

Anyone know why this thread (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=35524) is closed?

I had some comments to make there but the thread is closed. I checked another poll that is closed and that thread still open.

Minister Ekle:
I humbly aproach you to request Mayorship to the great City Of Penguin. I fell that being that I am the namer of Penguin (and the fact that its NOT the donsig spot) I would be a fine Mayor.
Also- its your call, since its out of fionn's juristiction.

because its over with

Originally posted by FionnMcCumhall
because its over with

If you are answering my question posted above then can you tell me why these polls (which are also over) are not closed?

FNSD info poll: should we buy math? (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=34996)

Province border definition. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=35586)

I'd look for more but the server is busy...:mad:

Yes I was. Maybe it was asked to be closed, it happens you know

I just reopened the thread itself and closed just the poll portion. I'd recommend that an actual discussion thread be started though, instead of continuting in the poll forum.

A discussion on the placement of our next two cities (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=35768) has been started. Please look at Cyc's proposal and, if you have an alternative idea, please post it! :)

Since we are focusing on immediate expansion to the Southeast, I can't think of a better proposal than Cyc's. I think he's hit it on the head. When do you expect to poll this issue?

I was originally planning on doing another pair of two stage polls as before, but if there are no alternative suggestions posted in that thread by the time I get onto the fora tonight I'll run a single "proposal acceptance" type poll instead on Cyc's sites instead. That would imply polling 24 hours after I post the poll proposal.

I'll run the first stage "placement area" polls as well, just as insurance in case someone posts a new suggestion in between posting the poll proposal and the actual poll.

*wonders if he just set a record for the number of instances of the word "poll" in a single post* :D

I have posted the run off poll for the province border definition issue (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=35818). The choice is now down to two of FortyJ's proposals: "Capitol Province" & "Strictly Geographic 2". Please vote now to define the shape of our nation and the size of our Senate!

Would the domestic department please see that the temples in production are switched to libraries unless there is a special need to deal with unhappiness in a given city. Libraries are cheaper than temples and produce more culture. We should have literature next turn and will be able to make libraries then. :king:

I concur with donsig. Unless there is a city that requires a Temple for happiness sake, I would immediately change all cultural improvements to libraries as they produce culture 50% faster than temples.

I believe that the temples currently in production are only intended as stop gap measures (if the Governor would care to confirm this or correct me I would be most grateful), and will probably for the most part be changed to military units.

I think the general issue of "temples or libraries as preferred culture generator?" would probably be best dealt with by the Culture Department. I'll go and ask them to post a poll on the subject. :)

I'm Petitioning for the Domestic Department to make plans to aquire the Iron north of Valhalla.

I'm not asking it be done within the next few turn chats, I realize our expansion is going in other directions right now. However, I want plans to be in place to ensure we do secure this resource tile and we are prepared in case the Iron under Morgana is exhausted, I don't want to be spending too many turns being forced to build units that don't require Iron, just because our primary source is gone.

I have posted Quick Polls to decide the placement of the first (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=35978), second (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=35979) and third (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=35981) cities during the upcoming November 8th turn chat. These polls have been set to remain open for 24 hours only, so please vote as soon as possible to ensure the cities are built in the right place at the right time!

The Ministry of Foreign Affairs has posted an informational poll regarding the establishment of embassies (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=36142).

All citizens are encouraged to participate.

Please cast your department vote in the Judge Advocate Confirmation (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=36164) Council Vote.

I have made my decision on appointees for the 2 planned Provincial Governor positions. donsig will be presented as Governor of the SouthWest Province and Cyc will be presented as Governor of the SouthEast Province. Many factors went into these decisions including the citizen feedback poll, my personal experience working with them on various projects and a mandate to get and keep both of them in official office.

FionnMcCumhall will be named to the Northern Province as soon as that province has another city. My personal feeling is that must happen very quickly. It is seriously underdeveloped and within the Capital's reduced corruption range.

All Department Leaders should respond to these 2 polls:
Confirmation for donsig to SouthWest Province (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=36190)
Confirmation of Cyc to SouthEast Province (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=36191)

A small extension of the SouthWest Province is needed. Octavinium currently lies outside the province but touching it. By expanding the province to include the last tiles of forest west and north of Octavinium (natural border) the city would be included. This wierdness was caused because the terrain wasn't fully known when the border was placed.

Also, please start plans and discussion for the next circle of provinces. We need these defined ahead of expansion this time.

Please post build queues and tile optimizations. The Domestic Department will be responsible for all cities except Bavaria until new governors are appointed by the President and accepted by the Council. As the Council is aparently refusing to accept any candidate for any province until Fionn is made an appointee, this could be some time.

I formally request that the domestic department post a poll on the question of combining Bavaria, Valhalla and Kuhkaff into one province (Bohemia) thereby eliminating the unpopular capital province. Please note that if two more citizens second this request the domestic leader is required to post this poll.

I second that,
I am getting tired about the constant "Where is Fionn going to go?" and "Fionn is elected by the people to run Bohemia" complaints. I would agree on combining Bavaria, Valhalla and Kuhkaff and there by eliminating the Capital Provance and the complaints and Fionn can continue the govenorship in Bohemia :).

Post #777 :D

Donsig: You owe me a favor. I third it. We elected Fionn to be the governor of ALL our cities. Now we are placing a man whose tallents rival that of the Almighty ones (Josh: If you are reading this, COME BACK!!) one city. And we are telling him to sit on his duff for the next two TCs and let Barvaria build The Heroic Epic (note: I have nothing against that). Making these three cities, our two settler stations and our grand capital one province is a great idea. I hearby ask our Domestic Minister to post a poll regarding making Barvaria, Kuhkaff and Valhalla the province of Bohemia.

Donsig & Civgeneral: would you be satisfied with a reposting of the original run-off poll, if the Judiciary find such an action to be legal? I believe that this would have much the same result as that which you propose, without involving a relatively arbitrary new proposal at this late point. I will of course bow to your original demands if this course of action does not appeal to either of you.

EDIT: Add SAaM to the approval list too.

Repolling the exact same proposals seems non-productive, for lack of a better word. It seems that the idea of a one city province is liked by few though we are not of one mind as to what we do want. There are those of use who would like to see Bavaria in a province with Valhalla and Kuhkaff while others would like to see Bavaria (and the future home of our Forbidden Palace) to be districts under the domestic department. I'd personally like to see a poll where citizens can choose between these two options. We've also seen suggestions for tweaking the borders around Octavinium and the city near the incense. The best course seems to be to start a single discussion thread (under domestic department auspices) that that will lead to a poll that will decide these issues all at once.

there is already a discussion regarding new borders for future and present provinces in the citizens thread

Yes, there is Fortyj's thread about the SE province only. Shaitan's suggestion about Ocatavinium's borders and the capital province/district is in other places. What I am suggesting is the domestic department note these proposals and combine them into a single official (if you will) border discussion thread. We need a discussion thread up for a given time so that the subsequent poll has half a chance of being valid. With one discussion thread we can then do one poll instead of four.

I poll about combining Bavaria, Valhalla and Kuhkaff has been requested by the requisit number of citizens and the judiciary has deemed a repoll of the run off to be bad. A provincial borders poll that includes (but is not neccessarily limited to) the Bavaria/Valhalla/Kuhkaff province must be posted soon.

Chief Justice Notice

An official poll has passed which requires elimination of the province of Bohemia and consolidation of the land tiles in that province under control of the Domestic department.

This poll http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=589901#post589901 , has passed, reached quorum, and is binding.

The build queues for the city of Bavaria, and land tiles in the former province of Bohemia, are now officially the responsibility of the Domestic department.

Bill
Chief Justice

An injunction against carrying out the results of the poll mentioned above has been requested. The dissolution of a province is unconstitutional and we wish for the poll in question to be ruled invalid and for informational use only.

hmm looking like bohemia is becoming non-existant all together. I think i swore up and down that one city provinces, and districts are a bad idea.

Is it possible for a mere citizen to second an injunction request?

i second it wholehartedly

Chief Justice Notice

The judiciary has reviewed the poll as requested by injunction, and a majority have voted to uphold the poll.

As noted above, this is not a indication of dislike of the current or former Governors of Bohemia. It is simply supporting the overwhelmingly expressed vote of the people.

The city of Bavaria build queues and tile optimization are comfirmed as the responsibility of the Domestic Leader.

Bill
Chief Justice

As deputy and one who can appoint mayors i now appoint Plexus as mayor of Bavaria.

I am disgusted that a formal request for a poll, that has been seconded by two citizens, has gone ignored while other polls on the subject have been posted, reached quorum, reviewed and upheld! :mad: :mad: :mad:

Will you please post a poll about combining Bavaria, Valhalla and Kuhkaff into one province called Bohemia?!?

Chief Justice Note

Ek, the CoL, Section A.6.b states:

Any citizen can request that a departmental leader post a poll that lies within that leader’s responsibilities.

If two other citizens agree with the proposed poll (proposal seconded and carried) the request becomes a demand and the leader must comply.

Will you post the poll?

I am guessing that you would prefer an all encompassing solution for this issue, and I would join you in wishing that we had one. I know that donsig is a reasonable guy and wants to work toward solutions too.

Barring those things occuring though, I am satisfied that the requirements of the CoL is met for a citizen demanded poll.

Bill
Chief Justice

We are critically short of spearmen to relieve our veteran swords of garrison duty as well as horsemen for our Japanese offensive. Please take this into consideration when planning your build queues.

There is a settler/spear pair outside of Kuhkaff. I strongly recommend placing this next city in the North Province. Not only will this enable another Governor position but the city will be within the corruption reduction radius of the capital. We could also snag that extra iron with a properly placed city.

Donsig, I apologise for my lack of action regarding your poll demand. I will have it up tomorrow evening (GMT) without fail.

We saved off the game and closed up as soon as the turn had gone through its automatics. I've just had the opportunity to analyze the save and a horrible thing has occured. The Americans have founded a city (Denver) immediately above OUR northern iron source! This demands immediate attention. I move that the next city (from the settler/spear pair outside Kuhkaff) be placed one two tiles from Valhalla to the north and northwest (tundra square). A library must be built there ASAP to reclaim our iron.

kill the americans for encroching on our lands!

:eek: they snuck right behind us. They will pay for there Sneekyness.

Originally posted by Shaitan
I move that the next city (from the settler/spear pair outside Kuhkaff) be placed one two tiles from Valhalla to the north and northwest (tundra square). A library must be built there ASAP to reclaim our iron.

I would support this proposal. We currently consider America as Rivals and as such, we should definitely challenge (albeit peacefully) their claim to our northern lands.

Can we please have another poll or two about city placement? We have a settler /spear pair in the south (in Ek?) and I think it should go south towards the Jungle River and those dyes. We need to move in that direction to hold off the Indians. I am quite willing to change Ek from library to settler. This would give us another settler in 4 turns. This settler could then settle the hills by the incense. It may even be able to do so safely while unescorted.

I agree with donsig's plan. If Bremershaven pumps out a spear that settler will only be unescorted for a turn and it's well inside our territory so shouldn't be a problem at all.

Does this mean I can crush the Yanks instead of the Japs? I never did like Abe (in Civ III at least ).

Because of a discussion in the New City Placement thread in the Citizen's sub-forum, an informational/discussion thread has been started at this link (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?threadid=35981) to the citizen's sub-forum. There is a map and explaination of a redirect for the Settler/Spear combo in Eklektochtitlan to the Dyes in the South. The Dye city has not yet been polled, but should be soon. The Dye city will be placed outside any known Province and will fall under control of the Domestic Department. This new city placement (if approved) should start discussion on a new Province to the South.

Now working on Donsig's poll...

Science Resignation:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=36704

A quick poll on the Settler redirect has been set up in the poll sub-forum LINK! (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?threadid=36780) . Please Vote!

We still need finalization on the next city site. There is a settler/spear pair outside Kuhkaff. There has been good support for the tundra tile two tiles north/northeast of Valhalla in order to reclaim our northern iron. See the Where's the island? (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=36626) thread for details.

Honorable Leader, I direct your attention to a post I made earlier tonight in the Taliesin Province thread...

Originally posted by FortyJ
Governor. May I direct your attention to the fair city of Dacula. We are six (6) turns away from a crisis and I believe it should be addressed now rather than later.

Dacula is currently building a Library which will be finished in six (6) turns. It has 1 Happy, 2 Content, and 1 Unhappy citizen and will grow in six (6) turns. As you can see, at the same time that the library is completed, the city will grow and we will be faced with another unhappy citizen which could potentially lead to riots.

Also, there is a proposal to redirect the settler currently in Eklektochtitlan to the dyes down south. The plan is to change the production there to a settler to resettle the incense fields in the southern part of the province. This will leave a significant gap between the "dye" city and Eklektochtitlan.

I believe that we have the potential to kill two birds with one stone, so to speak. Let Eklektochtitlan build its settler, but let's move it south between the "dye" city and Eklektochtitlan. We should change production in Dacula immediately to a Settler to settle the incense fields. There will be no loss in shields in Dacula and it will eliminate the potential crisis.

I strongly believe this is a tenable solution to this problem. I urge you to consider this matter carefully, and if you are in agreement, please instruct the DP to take the appropriate action.

An emminently sensible solution.

There was massive confusion in the last chat. After reviewing the log I see there should not have been as Fionn was there and his instructions should have been followed. Regardless, I think we need an overall city plan instead of the onesie twosie approach we have been doing. If you can develop (and get approval for) a unified city placement grid we can avoid much confusion and headache later on.

Yet my instructions were not followed. I dont know where Eklek went to he didnt send me a pm saying if he was taking a prolonged absence but until he responds to anyone inquiry into where he has gone guess i get the fun of running domestic til the boss is back :) Hopefully he returns soon

Apologies for my absence from the fora over the last few days, and for my dire lack of performance in the preceding week. The former was due to a problem with the ISP that I use to connect from home, which rendered me unable to connect to the internet on friday and saturday. The latter was caused by an all round hellish RL week, during which I should have just left the work to Fionn. 20/20 hindsight in action as ever... :rolleyes:

Anyway I'm back and feeling a whole lot better now, so will be dealing with all matters domestic this evening when I get home from work.

I have posted polls concerning the emergency building of a city to counter Denver (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=37039) and the next city to be built in the NW area (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=37014). Please vote ASAP if you wish to make your voice heard!

Note that the Domestic Department is in charge of build queues and tile usage for several cities now. I request a heavy military build wherever possible to prepare for the war against Japan.

Please expedite discussion for new provinces. We now have 3 outside our defined provincial borders in the southwest.

I would actually like to try out for governorship of New Province. I now have 1.29 patched (FINALLY) and can play the save. I feel my entire ineficency was due to the lack of.. well, actually being able to play the game. Please accept my resume and please get back to me on this.
SaaM
Term 5, DG1 Governor: Nuova Terra.
Term 2, Domestic Deputy/Leader
Term 3 Mayor (Penguin), CONVICTED FELLON (thats goning on my resume in big, bold red ink!!)

Originally posted by FionnMcCumhall
hmm looking like bohemia is becoming non-existant all together. I think i swore up and down that one city provinces, and districts are a bad idea.

:cry:

My home province.. *sniff*
Remember Bohemia!
Remember Greater Cormyr!

:p


No, I don't like the 1-city-province idea.

Due to the illegal use of espionage by a citizen of Fanatika to spy on a Japanese city outside of the official game turn, the Chief Justice office has imposed these immediate steps to address the situation:

Chief Justice Actions

1) The use of the save file generated by Stuck as a Mac is strictly forbidden.

2) That file shall NOT be loaded to this site, nor shall the information gained from that espionage be discussed as part of plans for our nation.

Please see the Judicary thread for details.

Bill
Chief Justice

The poll to switch to Monarchy in the upcoming chat is overwhelmingly in favor. LINK (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=37117). All Leaders and citizens should make plans with the knowledge that we will be entering anarchy en route to Monarchy during the next chat.

Can we get finalization on the city layout plan and next layer of borders?

depends on how the polls go i think

That's sort of what I was getting at. Can we get these polled and approved?

Yes we can - well at least where the cities are concerned. :)

I am currently in the process of revising the city layout plan, and will post the new one tomorrow night. Polling will follow as soon as constitutionally possible. I am also planning on taking a serious look at the new province proposal threads tonight and tomorrow to assess them.

Just a reminder....once we switch to monarch, it will become necessary for the domestic department to set the budget. This has to be done to ensure that we don't end up voting for things we cannot afford. Generally, the department or governor requesting the money will need to post the request before they poll on the issue, I think.

The Province approval is actually more important than the cities at the moment. We have another active province (3 cities) except that the borders haven't been approved yet. If necessary, please poll for the specific new southwestern province.

I have posted a revised long-term city placement plan (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?postid=610475#post610475).

A poll (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=37691) has now been posted to finalise the Longterm City Placement Plan.

I have posted a quick poll regarding rushing settlers to counter AI insurgency in the NW (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=37883). Please vote ASAP if you wish to have your say on this issue! :goodjob:

Please cast your vote in the Council Vote to adopt PI tie-breaking standards (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=37941).

Turn chat announcement

Octavian has already stated that he will be unable to act as DP at the coming TC, and I am not willing to start one at 3am. As such, I have decided that if I am the elected president come 00:01 GMT, I will be rescheduling the TC for 00:15am GMT, 2hours and 45 minutes earlier than currently scheduled. Since it will be sunday by that time I will arguably be within my rights to do so.

Term 4 thread (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=37843)