Term 2 - Military Dept. Thread (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=33209)


The General Has Returned.... until Term 4 comes along, Final.

Now let's CRUSH the Aztecs, work on developing our Civ and go after our next Victim.

Falcon02 & Gunning1
Congratulations from the Cartographic Office! We are eagerly awaiting the discovery of new lands to add to our glorious maps!

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Official City placement poll (part one) (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=35394). Time is short so please vote as soon as possible if you wish to have your say!

Congrats Falcon! Glad to see you back in action! :)

@Forty: Falc's name will probably be along the lines of 'Falcon's Haven.'

Welcome back, General! How do you plan on continuing the Aztec war?
And will it be held up due to emergency charges on the bathroom? :D

Welcome back, General. Let's try for star number six.

Originally posted by Octavian X
@Forty: Falc's name will probably be along the lines of 'Falcon's Haven.'

Welcome back, General! How do you plan on continuing the Aztec war?
And will it be held up due to emergency charges on the bathroom? :D

No, However it will be held up due to the fact that I need to sleep now.

Ohh, and It's probobly gonna be New Falcon's Haven (The "New" grew on me). But, I'm still thinking it over.

General, we need a plan of continued attack on Azteca and provisional plans for war with Japan and America.

Congrats and welcome back Falcon.

Official City placement poll (part two) (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=35462). This one deals with the city after next, and is a quick poll

Again, time is short so please vote as soon as possible if you wish to influence the end decision!

First order of business, the Full HP Vet Sword in Tenochtitlan should take out that Archer to the NE of the city, to minimize loses, much easier to attack a Archer than defend against one, esp. with a Sword. Also there are no Aztec units close enough to attack the sword before the next turn, from that position

Unfortify the Sword at Valhalla, and send him packing for the front, unless there's something I'm missing about him.

After that we're gonna have to wait a turn, to regain movement, as the remaining Aztec archers and Jaguar's undoubtably "test" the defences of our city, or in the case of Tenochtitlan, he may pillage our farms and roads near the city. Afterwards, we need to move the 3 Sword unit north of Teotihuacan down to the next mountain to their south. (Thank God for multi-tasking as I try to spell the Aztec city names right).

The Next turn the swords on the mountain will go to the Insence tile Hill, the turn after that we'll take the city.

Once the Aztecs between Tlaxca and Teno (I'm getting lazy) are gone, send one sword south to Teno, when all are at full health send them to the city in the west, leaving two swords behind.

Congrats! Welcome back! Hey, I think you need a name for this battlefield operation. :)

I wanna say "Fanatik's Revenge" from the lose of Falcon's Haven during the Domino wars, Demogame 1. But that's mixing games....

Keep in mind Falcon, that if the eastern cities are still size 1, they will likely auto-raze as their borders do not indicate any cultural improvements inside. Therefore, you will not have to leave garrisons behind when we turn back to the west.

Discussion on "landbridge" city sites (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=35487) has been posted in the Citizen's Forum.

Originally posted by FortyJ
Keep in mind Falcon, that if the eastern cities are still size 1, they will likely auto-raze as their borders do not indicate any cultural improvements inside. Therefore, you will not have to leave garrisons behind when we turn back to the west.

Yeah, I was thinking about that, It depends on timing... If the other units are gathered before we take the city... they may leave without the 3 mountaineering units. However, it's likely they'll quickly wrap up the size 1 city, if not they can quickly get reinforced from Teno.

One more thing to consider in your plans...

While pouring over the maps during some idle time, I discovered something interesting that some of us may not know yet. It appears that the Japanese borders come startlingly close to the Aztec borders!

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads2/japanesethreat.jpg

Yeah, I noticed that earlier too. I actually figured it was well known, cause with the exception of that Border, I found no reason to start an agressive campaign against the Japs yet, since they're soo far away now, of course my discovery of that made me assume that was why the Chivalry risk was high enough to warente proposals to attack them.

good ol' 40. master of 7.0. so does this mean we go from monty to toga? :devil:

A definitive poll regarding provincial borders (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=35586) has been posted.

I have posted quick polls to decide where our next city will be placed (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=35602) and where the city after that will be placed (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=35605) also. Please vote in these polls as soon as possible if you wish to influence the final decision!

Victory is at hand!

We must take the Aztec's genrous peace proposal and prepare for the next war and work on infrastructure.

And now that we have a victorious Army we must discuss building the Heroic Epic.

i second falcon2 proposal. now lets put it up for an immediate official poll after 24h "discussion" (=putting up the poll options directly as proposal).

I agree. Peace treaties are from FA though.

General, can you whip up some assault/defense plans for Japan and America please?

Well done to the Prez and the Gen! The war has been brought to exactly the kind of conclusion we hoped for.

Japan or America? OR Japan and America Hehehehe!!!

More seriously though, the Prez has asked us to start thinking about some plans for attack and defence re the Japanese and Americans. As a premise, I guess that we basically do not want to be in a position where we are at war with both opponents at the same time. (Hmm Fanatika caught in a two front war ? - large glass of deja vu anyone? The drinks are on von Schleiffen.)

If we can avoid the 2 front war, which I would very strongly recommend, then I suppose what we are looking at is a defensive stance (coupled with cultural improvements) on one front, and aggressive military build up on the other. Simple really!

What the military Dept. will need to know is which front will be which. As soon as we know this we can start planning the deployment of the appropriate units to the relevant sectors. Guidance from the FA and the President's office is needed.

In the meantime some more roads, connecting our now quite spread out territories, are a high priority.

The first question would be:
who will we attack (first)? america or japan?

second question, when and how much of our resources will be put twoards preperations?

One thing we can try to plan out is our continued military build up.

I'm going to download and load the save soon to try to develop stradegies for both wars. I think our planning will be more complete with more maps though.

I have posted the run off poll for the province border definition issue (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=35818). The choice is now down to two of FortyJ's proposals: "Capitol Province" & "Strictly Geographic 2". Please vote now to define the shape of our nation and the size of our Senate!

I would like us to concentrate on building horsemen. Axe the sword program for the moment and concentrate on spears and horses. Spears can be used to free up the existing swords that are garrisoning cities. I think our build strategy should continue as it is - new military assault forces in proportion to settler/spear teams.

I just got another Idea, from a game I'm playing now. If we get peace with Monty, we could get him to get a military Alliance against our next enemy.

As occured in my current game (regent) it's possible they could later come back and beg us to continue it (assuming they survive our enemy) and we can extort them for all their worth... again.

We probobly won't do this, but I figured I'd throw it out there.

Shaitan
I agree that Horsemen should be our primary military unit for the time being with the intent to upgrade them en-masse to Knights later.

Falcon
I believe we need to have an embassy established with them to sign a military alliance, which we do not have with Azteca.

Also, have we given any thought to securing access to a second source of iron? If we are to get involved in another war soon, it would prove terribly unfortunate if we accidentally used up our source of iron under Morgana, especially if it occured moments before we could upgrade our horsement to knights.

Yes, Cavalry is the Future! Swordmen will eventually be disbanded, but that's LONG in the future.

40, you bring up a good point. There's a iron tile to the north of Valhalla, we could grab, I'll try to remember to petition Domestic later to request it. Also, We could do this AFTER the peace agreement, however I don't think it would really be too productive, I was just throwing it out there.

I have posted Quick Polls to decide the placement of the first (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=35978), second (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=35979) and third (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=35981) cities during the upcoming November 8th turn chat. These polls have been set to remain open for 24 hours only, so please vote as soon as possible to ensure the cities are built in the right place at the right time!

General, we need plans for attacking Japan (our acknowledged next target). We also need contingency plans for declarations of war by Japan or America.

I have one problem -

if we make peace with the Aztecs then they will always hate us. Then going into war with another civillization would make it probabal for the Aztecs signing a military allience against us! This would mean fighting a war on two fronts why not just finish them off now.

A.) World Map

B.) Get techs not initially given by GL when it comes into effect

C.) Monty's Nice????

Okay maybe C isn't accurate and A and B are conditional on how valuable the stuff they give us is. Aside from that and the Reputation Hit, I'm for finishing them off, I just have a feeling they have a better map of Japan then we have and if we're gonna attack Japan we're gonna need more info, and America's Map while sufficient isn't as good as I'd like.

So I'm open to either side, but I think peace would give us a better result.

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I have made my decision on appointees for the 2 planned Provincial Governor positions. donsig will be presented as Governor of the SouthWest Province and Cyc will be presented as Governor of the SouthEast Province. Many factors went into these decisions including the citizen feedback poll, my personal experience working with them on various projects and a mandate to get and keep both of them in official office.

FionnMcCumhall will be named to the Northern Province as soon as that province has another city. My personal feeling is that must happen very quickly. It is seriously underdeveloped and within the Capital's reduced corruption range.

All Department Leaders should respond to these 2 polls:
Confirmation for donsig to SouthWest Province (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=36190)
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We are in desperate need of a troop requirements analysis. We have a critical lack of spearmen to relieve sword garrisons and nowhere near enough horsemen for a fast offensive against Japan.

Japs have 19 cities, which suggests a minimum of that # of units.

we have 11 swords, and 3 horsemen, so, I'd suggest building 12 more horsemen for a total of 11 swords and 15 horsemen (26 total units). This should prove more than efficient.

We could build only about 7 - 10 horsemen, however I'd prefer a number near 15. Problem is that will take a while, esp. with only 2 cities on Horsemen.

Science resignment:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=36704

The Red arrows are our two horsemen... I believe horsemen have 2 movement points. The first horsemen is 2 tiles away . We will not be able to attack that city the same turn we attack. Which might be a bad thing. I would suggest we move it up one for then we can attack the same turn. The second horseman is not needed up by are army... Are army should be able to handle that city by itself and I doubt that the swordsman and horsmen on the other city can take it.

The blue arrows shows where we can move are army for better defense and to replace the missing horsemen.

The yellow arrow is just the swordman movement.

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads2/Changes.gif

Any Comments?

This suggestion is good. I would go with Strider's suggestions since we can capture the two cities with miniummum losses. The Army can hold on its own while attacking Sapporo. The swordsmen and Horsemen attcking izumo would prevent any Japanese units from sneeking behind our attack force :).

Originally posted by CivGeneral
This suggestion is good. I would go with Strider's suggestions since we can capture the two cities with miniummum losses. The Army can hold on its own while attacking Sapporo. The swordsmen and Horsemen attcking izumo would prevent any Japanese units from sneeking behind our attack force :).

I was also thinking that after that we can heal the horsemen and use the swordman for defesne of that town till a spearman is built. Once that is done he can be used as a mop or something of the kind.

Originally posted by Strider
I was also thinking that after that we can heal the horsemen and use the swordman for defesne of that town till a spearman is built. Once that is done he can be used as a mop or something of the kind.

Good plan :). Use the city as a Medic station for the horsemen, once fully healed, send the horsemen to harras more units :D.

We should be sending new build spears to garrison the captured cities. Having swords do garrison duty will stall our offensive.

Falcon02, I am interested in being a Military Chat Rep :). I would like to be the Military Chat rep to help when Gunning has to split his duties between the Military Dept and the Science Dept like on what happened on the last turn chat :). Thanks :).

I have posted polls concerning the emergency building of a city to counter Denver (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=37039) and the next city to be built in the NW area (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=37014). Please vote ASAP if you wish to make your voice heard!

Civ General, if you'd like to be Mil. Chat Rep. you've got the job, I can't attend and you've served me and Fanatika well before

Strider, I agree with your plan.

We'll also need to cut off their iron ASAP. Pikes will be built soon, and there's one iron source within reach. I propose a horseman or two to go in behind enemy lines and pillage the iron near Osaka. They can also serve as a lure for the Japanese troops while we advance.

Please place your department vote in the Council Vote to confirm Cyc as deputy of the Northern Province. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=37135)

Due to the illegal use of espionage by a citizen of Fanatika to spy on a Japanese city outside of the official game turn, the Chief Justice office has imposed these immediate steps to address the situation:

Chief Justice Actions

1) The use of the save file generated by Stuck as a Mac is strictly forbidden.

2) That file shall NOT be loaded to this site, nor shall the information gained from that espionage be discussed as part of plans for our nation.

Please see the Judicary thread for details.

Bill
Chief Justice

The poll to switch to Monarchy in the upcoming chat is overwhelmingly in favor. LINK (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=37117). All Leaders and citizens should make plans with the knowledge that we will be entering anarchy en route to Monarchy during the next chat.

WAR WITH THE JAPS HAS COME

Octavian X didn't follow my Map horse movement request. My fault, should have been more vocal when I tried to bring it to his attention.

We must now work on our Battle plans, here's my proposal.

1.) move 3 Horse group on mountian north of Sapporo south to cut off THAT iron
2.) move 3 vet swords down to Izumo
3.) move rest of swords on Sapporo
4.) move 1 horse on the mountian NE of Sapporo to take Workers
5.) make Bee line for Osaka and attempt to build road to Sapporo and reinforce with Spears

My greatest concern with the "Beeline, is Culture flips :(. the only way to preven that I can see is Raze Kyoto and Satsuma, but I think they'd be more helpful if we can hold onto them.


EDIT: I also Would like FA to look into getting Military Alliances against the Japs. Let's hear it for "DOMINO WAR 2: The Western War vs. Japan"

Coming to a Theater Near you!

Also, any GL we get from this I would like see go to Sun Tzu's or Leo's Workshop.

I have also proposed a name for this war....

"Operation Baka Nippon"

Japanese Translation - "Operation Idiot/Foolish Japan" (of course the "Operation" is is english in both, but you get the Idea.

I has funny ring to it... Yet I like 'Operation Baka Nippon.'

As I will be a member of this office for in the next term, I shall hopefully try to get things rolling for the next turnchat(if it's not too late):


1. We have 4 French swordsmen just outside Padmativa, plus a host of others. We need to open a discussion about the possible ways this could play out.

2. We have left 5 workers unprotected on our front lines in Japan.

3. We need to discuss our next move. Hopefully everyone knows that we can't just march up to Kyoto and take a size 8 city(+50% defense) that sits across a river(+another 50% defense); that we will have to find a way around the river or invest in some serious casualties.

We need to defend Fanatika from all sides. Would Cleveland exist within our borders if we felt enough confidence in our eastern defense to kick the Americans out ahead of time? What will we do with the French in the case they demand all we have --- give in or fight? Ally to domino the Americans?


I used these points with no success in my Term 4 bid for this office, but my impending loss in the election does not make these oversights any less valid.

Acting as a citizen, I present these situations to the Military Office for discussion. And as Military Deputy for the coming term, I will make sure that subtle points like these get addressed shortly after turnchats end, rather than 3 days later(or never?).

I look forward to serving under Falcon02....it should prove to be quite interesting. Stay tuned.......

I have posted a quick poll regarding rushing settlers to counter AI insurgency in the NW (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=37883). Please vote ASAP if you wish to have your say on this issue! :goodjob:

Donovan brings up good points, I was just looking at the save and looked for those Frenchmen (thanks for pointing them out).

Due to our lack of Embassy's I couldn't see if Joan is at war with anyone or not, since those we have embassy's with aren't at war with her, and it could be one of the other's she's at war with. Another possibility is that she wishes to pounce on someone unsuspectedly (say Fanatika for example, let's hope not though). This is SOMETHING which we should work on, but I'm not sure how effective our efforts will be. My only suggestion is hurry another Pike in Padmativa for 88g, to make sure it's well defended. However, the French could attack next turn, since they're right next to it, so it would do no good unless the pike and spear already there are able to fend off the first wave.

For the Unprotected workers attempting to build a mine....
Why in the world are they MINING that tile? We don't need a mine there just yet, too far from our capital under Monarchy. If anything they should be working on our Road system on the front, with a Pike Escort (one can be rushed at Kells for 108g). If we don't provide them with an escort we shouldn't have them at the front. I'm not even sure we need roads near the front anymore, the system right now is good and direct, however "serenity" needs to be hooked up first. The workers could then go back and work on internal infrastructure or speed city growth, potentially replacing some of those rushed settlers. (hmm... LOTS of potential rushing :/ ).

The issue of the River w/ Kyoto is easy... we need to go to that tile NE of Kyoto. We'd go to that mined tile directly East of the city (that way they get the penalty for attacking us that turn, we'd also need some pikes to help defend them that turn, cause I don't doubt they won't be sending some offensive units against our party, when we're a stone's throw from their capital. We then cross the River and assault (assuming we don't lose too much the turn before). However, we need to regather our forces at Plexenburg first before we launch this attack, which could take awhile.

Now... Back to my Essay....

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Turn chat announcement

Octavian has already stated that he will be unable to act as DP at the coming TC, and I am not willing to start one at 3am. As such, I have decided that if I am the elected president come 00:01 GMT, I will be rescheduling the TC for 00:15am GMT, 2hours and 45 minutes earlier than currently scheduled. Since it will be sunday by that time I will arguably be within my rights to do so.

Term 4 thread (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=38044)