Team Mavericks

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Hi everyone! We needed a fourth team for the Demogame, so I decided to start one. :goodjob: Please be aware that the name "Mavericks" is just a placeholder, and that we can decide on any team name by using polls in our forums once the game gets rolling.

F.A.Q.

What is Our Aim?: It's simple: win the demogame game by using maximum participation from all of our team members. Any team member (of any Civ IV difficulty level) should not be afraid to speak his or her opinion on the matter at hand, and we will make decisions by democratic votes and polls within our forum. We hope that in polls, people will not only vote, but comment on why they voted as they did, which allows us as a whole to see the opposing viewpoints of our team members.

Who Plays the Turns?: Basically, anyone can play the turns on our team. We will have no hard and fast limits on who can log in our game, as our team password will likely be displayed on our forum in a "stickied" topic. However, if someone is going to play turns without having played them before, it would probably be wise if he or she let the rest of the team know, just so that we don't experience a conflict when two or more people want to play simultaneously. What we're hoping is to have at least 2-3 consistent turnplayers, which means that any of those 2-3 can play the turns once they are able to. Novice players should realize, though, that in a critical, game-breaking situation, it's probably best to let an expert or veteran player perform the turn.

What Will the Turn Player be Expected to do?: The turn player's primary duty is to play out our current turn as skillfully as possible with respect to our team's strategy as a whole. In addition, we hope (but we won't require) that at least one screenshot will be taken per turn. Understandably, the beginning of the game won't have much discussion, but there should still be screenshots taken of the starting location, nearby surroundings, as well as demographics for analysis. The third duty that the turnplayer is expected to perform is to post a report in our forum as promptly as possible, and the next question explores this in greater depth. We hope that the turn player can post sufficient information that the team can understand how the turn was played and provide input and suggestions easily.

How Will the Forum be Structured?: We'll have one general topic where team members can introduce each other and state how much experience and knowledge of Civ 4 they possess. Another long, general topic will be the "Turn Discussion Thread," where the turnplayer at that time will be expected to post screenshots for every turn, while team members state their opinions on how the team should progress in the turns to follow. In addition to a general turn discussion thread, we'll have a "Turn Tracker Thread," where the turnplayer posts turn reports ONLY with no additional responses or feedback from members (which goes in the Turn Discussion Thread). This allows team members to easily see our progress without getting cluttered by the additional posts from our team members. We will also have diplomacy threads for each of our opponents, where we'll be able to record messages and plan out trades (or war ;)) with the team in question. Lastly, we'll probably have a general topic related to an intra-team pitboss game. See the second-to-last question for more detail on this.

Will we Have Foreign Diplomats?: If possible, we'll try to set at least 1-2 players to be ambassadors, who send and receive messages from other teams and handle the vast majority of our foreign diplomacy. Diplomats must be active members, though, and let the team know if they will not be available for a certaim time period. Please be aware, though, that anyone is free to check messages sent by other teams via our team email (assuming team communication is similar to the first Demo Game), not just the diplomats. :) A probable requirement for diplomats is that they be proficient in the English language. If we cannot get members to act as diplomats, then anyone checking the team email should probably post on our forum if we receive an important message.

Intra-team Pitboss?: If possible, we will set up an intra-team pitboss game where team members can sign up and play a game with each other, honing our skills and strengthening our team bond as a whole. A map host will be needed before we can start out an intra-team pitboss game, so if anyone knows of a willing host, please let the team know. Map settings will be discussed later once we get a team set up.

What is the Team Roster?:


DMOC
BobRoberts
Nakor
Niklas
Chimera1804
Aline
bobbyboy29
Tsjernobyl
The Mike
Ceiliazul
v8_mark
ahmedhadzi
TheEnforcer
NukeAJS
civ editor11
Uncle_Cheesedog
FarbrorKudde
obsolete
Schmieds
Backwards Logic
Snaaty
Sweetacshon
Ischenous
???


Anyone who is interested can sign up. :goodjob:

Nice work on putting this together. I wish you luck in finding a team. :D

I must admit though, when I saw the name it made me wonder if this would be some sort of politically based team. I guess that word has just been way overused by politicians lately. ;)

It wasn't easy to think of a good team name so I opted for my favorite basketball's team name, Dallas Mavericks. :D

It wasn't easy to think of a good team name so I opted for my favorite basketball's team name, Dallas Mavericks. :D
This sentence almost convinced me to join your team. :p

If I had made this thread earlier, probably you would have joined. :(

I'd be interested in signing up for this team... Who could say no to a picture like that!

I comfortably play single player at emperor. The sum total of my MP experience is a couple of PBEM games! Have been following the RB pitboss for a while and have read a fair bit of MP text.

Sign me up as well, DMOC!

Ouch Hard choice Lord parkin or DMOC xD damn it... :)

I'd be interested in signing up for this team... Who could say no to a picture like that!

I comfortably play single player at emperor. The sum total of my MP experience is a couple of PBEM games! Have been following the RB pitboss for a while and have read a fair bit of MP text.

Welcome to the team! :goodjob:

Sign me up as well, DMOC!

Welcome to the team! :goodjob: Now we're on 2 teams together!

Ouch Hard choice Lord parkin or DMOC xD damn it... :)

Pick whichever one is first in alphabetical order. ;)

Pick whichever one is first in alphabetical order. ;)
Or pick whichever one was first in chronological order (joining the forums). :p

Seriously, it doesn't matter too much who you join with, Toch - just flip a coin if you want. It sounds like both DMOC's team and mine will be run in fairly similar ways anyway. :)

Touche. :)

No hard feelings if you pick LP team anyway. The team will probably be run as Saturn II anyway. :lol:

Without losing this time around :D

Cheers for the signup, glad to be on board!

There won't be any losing going on round here. :)

Not a single signup despite the 10 game winning streak of the Mavs. :(

Is the team name settled? When we ask for private fora, it's a little inconvenient to the admins to have to rename them.

Well ... since we have only 3 players on the team and no one's commented on it, then yes.

It's a good name!

[Filthy European]
It's chosen after one of those American sports, isn't it? Not the one that's a bit like cricket, not the rugby one with cool armour, but the one with the very tall people?
[/Filthy European]

PS: The Mavs (the real ones) are trying to get their lucky 13th game in a row over the lowly New Jersey Nets ... time for me to watch! :D

I'd like to join.

Welcome, Niklas! :D

I'm relatively new to the forums...but sign me up for this. This'll be my first demo game. And just to warn you my participation may vary a bit as i tend to travel a good deal.

Welcome Chimera1804! :D

Hey DMOC,
I'd like to join the team. Looking forward to the discussion etc. (Also i'm hoping that if your team wins you may be able to continue the lost ALC's :p) This is my first game of this type and there's quite a time difference between Australia and America so I don't know if this would affect things but i'd certainly like to help out at a discussion level at least!

Time difference shouldn't hinder things, as everything is recorded in the forum so you don't need to be around all the time to participate.

Edit- sorry but going to try to join another team- this one is getting really full!

Since I haven't known of this demogame since day 1 of it's conception, about how close is it to starting?

I would like to join!

first demo game for me too... curious about the experience.

New guy here -- never done this before, but it seems really interesting. I would like to join and see what its all about.

I don't have any multiplayer experience, but I am a Monarch/Emperor player.

I play emperor single player, no MP experience at all. I'd love to play a part in this team.

I'd like to join too. I was kind of around Team Saturn in the last one for a while, but things were looking so hopeless....hehe. Hopefully this one will be better.

I'm much like Ceiliazul; Emperor SP player, no MP experience at all really. I'll also need to learn exactly how pitboss works...

Sign me up please! I didn't play multiplayer games at all, but I'm fairly sure that I could be of some help. I don't know if this is a problem or not but my laptop burned down from playing a lot of civ (and I'm not kidding), so I probably won't be able to be turn player at the begining, but I think I would join sometime later. I'm very eager to see about this whole process, and the only reason why I chose this team because there is less people than in Lord Parkin's team :D! I also see that there is a lot of newcommers so I think that our combined rookey experience in MP games could be combined into glorious victory!!!

What the heck. I'll give it a try. :>)) Sounds like it could be fun.

Zero experience with multi-player games, and in all honesty am a huge diplomatic player, but want to try something new.

Zero experience with multi-player games, and in all honesty am a huge diplomatic player

I'm not sure single-player diplomacy resembles the multiplayer kind. Check out this report by Sullla (http://www.garath.net/Sullla/Civ4/ADG1.html) from a different diplo game.

I would like to join the team. I can usually win against the computer on immortal difficulty. I prefer a mixed economy combined with a clubs/arrows blockade, then swords/axes-aggressive, then rifle-aggressive military expansion. I also apply triangle-diplomacy (but this is useless in MP games).

Post-emancipation, I'm equally comfortable with state property or corp-spamming free market. State property if military expansion is both crippling the economy and more guns are needed -- FM if military expansion is slower and GPs are available.

My preferred leaders are Elizabeth, Washington, Monte, Alexander, Gandhi, Mansa Musa, and Suleiman in no particular order. Also, I can play any leader to a win, I just enjoy playing these leaders/civs the most.

I've played a couple of MP games, but not many. I'm familiar with most starting MP strats though.

So, overall, I'm a fairly aggressive player with a good understanding of late-beginning to end-game tactics and strategies. I would be just as comfortable directing military tactics as I would be city management.

Hey DMOC,
I'd like to join the team. Looking forward to the discussion etc. (Also i'm hoping that if your team wins you may be able to continue the lost ALC's :p) This is my first game of this type and there's quite a time difference between Australia and America so I don't know if this would affect things but i'd certainly like to help out at a discussion level at least!

Welcome, bobbyboy29! Yes, I might re-continue ALC 27, but if I do so, it'll be in the summer. Lately I've been losing interest in single player and gaining interest in multiplayer.

Time difference shouldn't hinder things, as everything is recorded in the forum so you don't need to be around all the time to participate.

Yes, this is correct.

Edit- sorry but going to try to join another team- this one is getting really full!

Shucks - it would have been nice to have you. :(

Since I haven't known of this demogame since day 1 of it's conception, about how close is it to starting?

I'm not sure either and I've been here since day 1. :lol: My rough estimate would say perhaps a month before actual gaming time starts. Of course, we'd have plenty of planning to do prior to that, not to mention hopefully an additional private team pitboss.

I would like to join!

first demo game for me too... curious about the experience.

Nice! The last demogame (Demogame II - first with BtS) was my first.

New guy here -- never done this before, but it seems really interesting. I would like to join and see what its all about.

I don't have any multiplayer experience, but I am a Monarch/Emperor player.

Well then welcome to the team and hopefully you'll learn plenty of multiplayer. You'll find that you can apply lots of single player concepts to multiplayer (and, of course, some other concepts that wouldn't work so well ;) ).

I play emperor single player, no MP experience at all. I'd love to play a part in this team.

Excellent! Welcome! :goodjob:

I'd like to join too. I was kind of around Team Saturn in the last one for a while, but things were looking so hopeless....hehe. Hopefully this one will be better.

I'm much like Ceiliazul; Emperor SP player, no MP experience at all really. I'll also need to learn exactly how pitboss works...

Yes, hopefully we perform better than the team I was on last demogame. To be fair, though, we had the worst start. However we also made a questionable decision by researching Code of Laws.

Sign me up please! I didn't play multiplayer games at all, but I'm fairly sure that I could be of some help. I don't know if this is a problem or not but my laptop burned down from playing a lot of civ (and I'm not kidding), so I probably won't be able to be turn player at the begining, but I think I would join sometime later. I'm very eager to see about this whole process, and the only reason why I chose this team because there is less people than in Lord Parkin's team :D! I also see that there is a lot of newcommers so I think that our combined rookey experience in MP games could be combined into glorious victory!!!

Don't worry about not being able to be a turnplayer. You'll still be able to participate in our forums, and the turnplayer will definitely have plenty of screenshots for you to look at.

I hope our rookie experiences will mesh well too. I have not played as much multiplayer as Lord Parkin.

What the heck. I'll give it a try. :>)) Sounds like it could be fun.

Zero experience with multi-player games, and in all honesty am a huge diplomatic player, but want to try something new.

This game is all about diplomacy - so you should feel right at home! :goodjob:

I'm not sure single-player diplomacy resembles the multiplayer kind. Check out this report by Sullla (http://www.garath.net/Sullla/Civ4/ADG1.html) from a different diplo game.

I've read that entire thing (yes, including the Templars letter!). I'm hoping that I can at least attempt to match team RB's demographic analysis. I probably won't but I'll make a shot.

I would like to join the team. I can usually win against the computer on immortal difficulty. I prefer a mixed economy combined with a clubs/arrows blockade, then swords/axes-aggressive, then rifle-aggressive military expansion. I also apply triangle-diplomacy (but this is useless in MP games).

Post-emancipation, I'm equally comfortable with state property or corp-spamming free market. State property if military expansion is both crippling the economy and more guns are needed -- FM if military expansion is slower and GPs are available.

My preferred leaders are Elizabeth, Washington, Monte, Alexander, Gandhi, Mansa Musa, and Suleiman in no particular order. Also, I can play any leader to a win, I just enjoy playing these leaders/civs the most.

I've played a couple of MP games, but not many. I'm familiar with most starting MP strats though.

So, overall, I'm a fairly aggressive player with a good understanding of late-beginning to end-game tactics and strategies. I would be just as comfortable directing military tactics as I would be city management.

Welcome welcome welcome! :goodjob:

Triangle diplomacy isn't completely useless in multiplayer. In the last demogame, there was a loose triangle diplomacy between Team MadScientists, Team Cavalieros, and Team Kazakhstan.

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Wow, this is very good news! :goodjob: I've added about ten new players today!

This bodes well for a team pitboss game. My only worry is getting a host. I suppose I could do it but I'd have to leave my computer on all the time (right?).

The team roster has been updated. Please let me know if I made a spelling error or if I missed anyone. :)

Wow DMOC, your member count must have tripled overnight. Well done! :goodjob:

My rough estimate would say perhaps a month before actual gaming time starts. Of course, we'd have plenty of planning to do prior to that, not to mention hopefully an additional private team pitboss.
My guess is a bit more optimistic, we should be going by April (I hope). :)

This bodes well for a team pitboss game. My only worry is getting a host. I suppose I could do it but I'd have to leave my computer on all the time (right?).
Yeah, you would. I think generally the best thing to do is to have an older computer that can function as a server, so your newer one isn't taking the load of that while you're trying to do other things.

My household owns 8 computers, but I only own 1 myself (the computer I use for games as well as schoolwork) since the rest belong to other family members. If I were to host it'd have to be my own computer. Hopefully it'll work out.

Yes, I liked seeing the member count. :goodjob:

April 1st (or close to it) ... are you sure you weren't kidding with that guess? ;)

Heh, forgot about April Fools Day. But yeah, I was serious. (Though perhaps a little optimistic. We'll see.) ;)

My household owns 8 computers, but I only own 1 myself (the computer I use for games as well as schoolwork) since the rest belong to other family members. If I were to host it'd have to be my own computer. Hopefully it'll work out.

Yes, I liked seeing the member count. :goodjob:

April 1st (or close to it) ... are you sure you weren't kidding with that guess? ;)

Judging by the number of computers in your household, you could make your family team if you teach everyone to the finer points of this great game:crazyeye:.

Thanks for having me on the team. I hope to have computer up and running since I would really like to try out team pitboss game. I'm emperor/monarch player myself, so I think it would be nice to see how would I do against other similar level players.

Also I don't know if the decision is made about how many civs we would control, but I really think that option with two civs per team would be great to explore (I never tried it in SP since I figured that if I can beat them on my level with one, why would I need two?).

Now we are on team, do we get jersey with number on it? I was number 12 back in the days when I was playing volleyball.

I would love to play when is it and am I too late in signing up?

Hey! I'd also like to join this team. I like the way it's laid out. I'm not really active on the forums but I can beat Monarch most of the time in SP but my first Emperor win is still elusive. I've played almost as much mp as sp however always against the same two people.

Welcome welcome welcome! :goodjob:

Triangle diplomacy isn't completely useless in multiplayer. In the last demogame, there was a loose triangle diplomacy between Team MadScientists, Team Cavalieros, and Team Kazakhstan.

Triangle diplomacy has never worked for me in MP. I'm totally for trading, but I feel that anything beyond the short-term is the way of domination. However, trade with a connected yet very distant civ for luxury resources is a different story (but it often yields mega-nations -- US and Soviet -- type standoffs.).

This doesn't lead to a triangle-arrangement though. Generally, there are two civs that are more trusting of each other, and two are more distrusting of each other but no one knows who the other is. This could/would most likely be a chaotic triangle (which isn't much of a triangle at all) and hence why I don't really think it's a solid idea to use against vastly superior humans.

That being said, I don't want be involved with diplomacy outside of the "We need more luxuries" statements. I think there are much better people for that kinda talk. My line of thinking is usually to conquer extra-resources in the short-term and courthouse/cottage/scientist the difference for a couple of turns.

I'd like to join this Team. Though a fair warning would be that I have no prior experience of any "PitBoss" matches or anything similiar, even though I get the theory of it I have no practical expertise in it. But that problem will hopefully be solved by the "Intra-team PitBoss".

// FarbrorKudde

Hi everyone. Please also sign up here so we can keep track of everyone who is on each team. Thanks. Just to make things easier for everyone involved. Thanks.

I had a dream last night about Civ5... no tech trading, but research deals speed research for both teams. We can recreate that here:

-Turn off Tech Trading
-1.5 beakers if any team you have open borders with is researching the same thing you are

Is that dumb?

I had a dream last night about Civ5... no tech trading, but research deals speed research for both teams. We can recreate that here:

-Turn off Tech Trading
-1.5 beakers if any team you have open borders with is researching the same thing you are

Is that dumb?

No. From what I've read already it seems Civ 5 is taking a step in that direction.

// FarbrorKudde

ps: might be a little off topic discussion so we should leave it at that

To everyone who asked to sign up - you're all welcome. :D

I don't hang around much on these forums anymore. However, I keep getting all these invites to pitboss games, and to be honest I still don't know what they are really about. I thought I'd just come and be a fence-sitter here for a while and see what happens.

Is there going to be one of those PRIVATE team forums for discussion? If so then I guess I have to join to see what goes down in there.

If you join our team (is this a sign up? :) ) then you'll certainly be inundated with all sorts of info about pitboss. We're hoping on having an intra-team pitboss game in addition to the general game so that members new to pitboss can experience what it's like.

Yes, there will be private forums. Only people who are in a team can access the hidden forums.

I don't hang around much on these forums anymore. However, I keep getting all these invites to pitboss games, and to be honest I still don't know what they are really about. I thought I'd just come and be a fence-sitter here for a while and see what happens.

Is there going to be one of those PRIVATE team forums for discussion? If so then I guess I have to join to see what goes down in there.

Obsolete, I think your knowledge and experience would be a great asset to the team. I also think it is important to participate not to win, and I'm looking forward to learn a great deal from this game, mostly how others think when they have not one but a team of players against us. And what are tecniques in MP games, which will make everything I know from SP games obsolete, oops, there you go again:)

When does this start?

Hopefully sometime in April. I also hope that private forums can be opened in a matter of days.

Obsolete, I think your knowledge and experience would be a great asset to the team.

Most my choices are a bit unorthodox for the average player, so I am not so sure that is a great asset here! However, I am willing to adapt to the general concensus.

If I must be a member of a team to see what will go on in these private pit-boss games, then I guess you can go ahead and sign me up.

Most my choices are a bit unorthodox for the average player, so I am not so sure that is a great asset here! However, I am willing to adapt to the general concensus.

I think the main point here is that I expect this MP game to be unorthodox, since you're not playing the AI, and your approach to the game should bring a fresh perspective.

I'm improved a lot after finding this website, due to war academy and articles there, but I would say that my approach to the game is more or less conventional. I hope they will approve of team taking control of two civs, since that would make this game even more interesting.

Anyway, welcome to the team:goodjob:

Welcome, obsolete. Hopefully you'll participate in a future intra-tream pitboss. :D

Does this mean Inca for super-wonder-spam, I wonder? ;)

I'm quite curious, other teams seems to implement a 1 city per player strategy. Any comments on that? Does that lead to more chaos then structure? Asking out of curiosity that is. :) Awfully sorry if this is off topic, but I'd like to ask my team rather then the community as a whole. :lol:

// Farbror Kudde

A 1-city per player strategy is the worst kind that a team could ever have. In fact, even with a stacked roster, I'd bet my money that teams employing that idea would fail miserably in games like these. Civ is a game about coordination where all cities have to work together in order to achieve a goal.

Not to mention you also have disputes over which tiles a city should control.

By and large it's best to just have the whole team deciding on a general consensus and making suggestions about cities while the turnplayer actually does the duty (since they're playing the turn anyway).

A 1-city per player strategy is the worst kind that a team could ever have. In fact, even with a stacked roster, I'd bet my money that teams employing that idea would fail miserably in games like these. Civ is a game about coordination where all cities have to work together in order to achieve a goal.

Not to mention you also have disputes over which tiles a city should control.

By and large it's best to just have the whole team deciding on a general consensus and making suggestions about cities while the turnplayer actually does the duty (since they're playing the turn anyway).

Hmmm, I have to agree with your argumentation. The up in morale is not worth the add of more chaos and less coordination. :)

// FabrorKudde

And I can imagine people getting dispirited if they find their sole responsibility is a fishing village in the tundra with only a few furs for company :D

I agree with the overall voting strategy. This should be interesting.

Most my choices are a bit unorthodox for the average player, so I am not so sure that is a great asset here! However, I am willing to adapt to the general concensus.

If I must be a member of a team to see what will go on in these private pit-boss games, then I guess you can go ahead and sign me up.

I think you'd be surprised how much unorthodox play styles like your own help (as well as greatly entertain) people like me who are reading lots and looking to improve. I'm very excited at the prospect of having you onboard! (I also all of a sudden got this feeling that we'll be building more shinies...)

Aren't you sure you meant capture shrines? ;)


To the team - I think I'll be able to host an intra-team pitboss, so we should be good to play a game for ourselves shortly.

Aren't you sure you meant capture shrines? ;)

Either shrines or shinies (or shines or shrinies). I'm thinking an obsolete-style game in MP might be something akin to suicide, though...

To the team - I think I'll be able to host an intra-team pitboss, so we should be good to play a game for ourselves shortly.

When will that be up? I've never actually played MP outside of my siblings (whom I can predict like the past...:p), so I'm interested to play against some new (and better) people.

About idea of one person being in charge of one city (which we shouldn't implement, because it wouldn't be fun for all).
What about having departments within the team? Like department for military, department of foreign affairs, department of science, etc...
Everyone should still be able to speak and say what they think about the current situation, but there would be few people that could make a decision in case there is no majority or agreement on certain matter.
We could maybe find out who would be good for which role in team's pitboss?

Just an idea, we can further develop this once we have team forum. And of course, this idea is open for the discussion.

When will that be up? I've never actually played MP outside of my siblings (whom I can predict like the past...:p), so I'm interested to play against some new (and better) people.

I'm hoping it'll be up maybe a week after we get private forums set up.

About idea of one person being in charge of one city (which we shouldn't implement, because it wouldn't be fun for all).
What about having departments within the team? Like department for military, department of foreign affairs, department of science, etc...
Everyone should still be able to speak and say what they think about the current situation, but there would be few people that could make a decision in case there is no majority or agreement on certain matter.
We could maybe find out who would be good for which role in team's pitboss?

Just an idea, we can further develop this once we have team forum. And of course, this idea is open for the discussion.

We'll think about those departments. I already suggested a "department" for diplomacy.

What about having departments within the team? Like department for military, department of foreign affairs, department of science, etc...
It'd be like having the advisors back from Civ 3! (and soon to be Civ 5 :drool: ) But seriously, all this discussion is good and exciting but should probably be saved for when the private forum is setup so things can be organised into different threads. (I'm already getting some ideas... and impatient)

It'd be like having the advisors back from Civ 3! (and soon to be Civ 5 :drool: ) But seriously, all this discussion is good and exciting but should probably be saved for when the private forum is setup so things can be organised into different threads. (I'm already getting some ideas... and impatient)

Agreed. :D

// FK

Wow, no one signed up all day long :(. Who do we need to ask for team forums, I think there is lot to be discussed in next two weeks if game is projected to start in early April?

Who do we need to ask for team forums, I think there is lot to be discussed in next two weeks if game is projected to start in early April?
They've already been requested, and should arrive within in the next couple of days. :)

They've already been requested, and should arrive within in the next couple of days. :)

*cue cheering* [party]:cheers:[party]

*cue cheering* [party]:cheers:[party]

...that makes me want it to be weekend again...

Well it would be nice to discuss what choice of leaders, etc, but I think that's all better saved for when private forums are set, so things are Safe & Secure from prying eyes!

I still am not 100% sure on now these pitbosses work. So every team plays on the SAME exact map, but go PBEM style? 1 Turn a day or so? I've had quite some experience with online games, and I am asked to wonder, aside from inexperience, what is preventing these games from being an all-out bloodfest from the get-go? Are there certain mandatory peace-terms in place?

Well it would be nice to discuss what choice of leaders, etc, but I think that's all better saved for when private forums are set, so things are Safe & Secure from prying eyes!

I still am not 100% sure on now these pitbosses work. So every team plays on the SAME exact map, but go PBEM style? 1 Turn a day or so? I've had quite some experience with online games, and I am asked to wonder, aside from inexperience, what is preventing these games from being an all-out bloodfest from the get-go? Are there certain mandatory peace-terms in place?

Core difference from PBEM is simultaneous turns - always messy! And yeah, about a turn a day.

Some good points there! Is there a standard set of rules for pitboss round here?

There's certainly no mechanic to stop the bloodfest... although I supose it depends how close we are and the shape/style of the map?

The map is typically sufficiently large and appropriately shaped so that no team can immediately rush their neighbour and eliminate them. However, inevitably in these games there will be wars at some point... but they're more calculated than wars in online games, and typically there will be more than one civ on each side (i.e. allies fighting together). So yes, war is pretty much guaranteed at some point, but it's much more complex than the simple "rush your neighbour ASAP" strategy you see in most online games. Indeed, quite often your neighbour will end up being a close ally for a considerable portion of the game.

I wonder about dogpiling as well. This certainly adds a bit of un-fair luck into the diplo side of things. But on the other hand, anyone who doesn't help in dogpiling the Roman neighbours, is simply asking to lose his empire to Pratts. It is his own fault when that happens.

Yeah, diplomacy in these games tends to look after itself. If you're too strong, or seen to be strong, people will attack you - if you're too weak, people will request your help in attacking the strongest civ.

For a flavour of what this sort of thing is like, I'll point you towards Sullla's excellent report of the Apolyton Demogame (http://www.garath.net/Sullla/Civ4/ADG1.html) (it's quite a read at thirteen pages, but as with all of his stuff, excellently written). 1 turn a day means things are slow in the beginning, but hopefully we'll have plenty of discussion between us.

Yeah, diplomacy in these games tends to look after itself. If you're too strong, or seen to be strong, people will attack you - if you're too weak, people will request your help in attacking the strongest civ.

For a flavour of what this sort of thing is like, I'll point you towards Sullla's excellent report of the Apolyton Demogame (http://www.garath.net/Sullla/Civ4/ADG1.html) (it's quite a read at thirteen pages, but as with all of his stuff, excellently written). 1 turn a day means things are slow in the beginning, but hopefully we'll have plenty of discussion between us.

I'm just about to finish reading, of that article, and all I can say is: Boy I can't wait this to start. Diplomacy is at so much higher level than in SP games, it's like difference between local league in some sport and Olympics!

And also as a conclusion from the same game, I hope we have some guy with mathematician skills who isn't board to do a LOT of in game calculation.

Personally I see no reason not to have those team forums even today, and if there is a sixth team they can just join later on.

The people who set up the game want to make only one round of requests to the mods. That's the reason for waiting. But someone said it'll be set up very soon (few days.) cool!

Hi guys. I'm really new to these forums, but not to Civ4! I've been playing for a while, and would love to join your team. I'd would like to watch and learn from those more experienced than me, while inputting my own knowledge to the team's benefit.
Lakers>Mavs btw :D

Sure, welcome! :)

And Schmieds, I'm afraid I can't agree with what you said. ;)

I find it also strange that private forums are still not available. You'd think this should be a priority.

Anyhow, again I have no interest in discussing open-strategy here. However, I would like to say I think our dedicated Turn-Player should primarily rely on DMOC, since I'd like to feel our micro-management is optimal and I can trust it. Since he has a few deity games under his belt I don't think anyone would argue with this. Or is there someone who objects?

I second that, I'm only monarch/emeror level player. I would like to try to be turn player later on, after I fix my computer, which I don't think is gonna happen anytime soon (but maybe before we have team forum:lol:).

Until then, I'm just a wingman (I even changed my avatar in that respect).

I third it...currently I'm getting my butt kicked on monarch...

I definitely agree with obsolete in that we should mainly be relying on DMOC (and obsolete himself) as the senior members of the team to carry the final casting vote on most of the main decisions we make.

I'm not sure it matters quite so much who the designated turn player is - for the most part, it'll be whoever has the time. Hopefully we'll have most things planned down to reasonably minute details (you would hope so with a 48 hour timer, or even a 24 hour timer) and for the turn player it'll just be a case of carrying through orders.

The request has been put in for private forums, it's a question now of waiting until the mods have a free minute to physically install them. Once they're up we can start discussion of our civilization, along with very general focuses about which direction we want to head towards out of the gate. I'm sure there'll be a while to wait for the map (and strategy discussion will be limited as the first rule of civ, after all, is 'play the map') but we can discuss very generic and grand strategy ideas as soon as we get the forum, I guess...

Thanks for the vote in confidence, everyone. :) My reputation (if I have one ... ) on this forum largely relies on my single player experience, and I'm trying to build up a multiplayer one, so this will be an exciting experience for me.

I won't be able to do as much data crunching as in the Apolyton DemoGame for Team RB but I'll do my best.

I will try to help out with the number crunching. I can also maybe handle the diplomancy correspondance.

By the way... maybe for a good old joke, we should change our team name to the Templars? :lol:

Do like some number crunching! But it can wait for the private forum. :)

By the way... maybe for a good old joke, we should change our team name to the Templars? :lol:
As long as you didn't have the same foreign policy I guess... :lol: Although the choice of name might unnecessarily antagonise relations with those who participated in that old demogame. :p (I'm not sure if anyone who actually played in that game is playing in this one...??)

As long as you didn't have the same foreign policy I guess... :lol: Although the choice name might unnecessarily antagonise relations with those who participated in that old demogame. :p (I'm not sure if anyone who actually played in that game is playing in this one...??)

I think Donovan Zoi is on team Merlot.

I think Donovan Zoi is on team Merlot.

Yup, famous Donovan Zoi one man team Banana is in this game.

And we can change the name to Templars, but I think it would be an effort to play as bad as they played their game.

No pun intended.

******

I was hoping that I will see team forums up today. It's going to be looooooong day at work.

Anyhow, again I have no interest in discussing open-strategy here. However, I would like to say I think our dedicated Turn-Player should primarily rely on DMOC, since I'd like to feel our micro-management is optimal and I can trust it. Since he has a few deity games under his belt I don't think anyone would argue with this. Or is there someone who objects?

Agreed. Most logical choice with no risks of any "wars" within our team on who's the boss. Ultimately the rest of us acts as a council to DMOC, which respectfully is our leader since he started the team that is :lol:. I'm behind you 100% boss.

// FK

ps: I've noticed some discussion circling the subject of specific roles, i.e. diplomat, mathematician, etc. Will there occur some kind of sign up for such posts when the forum is up? I presume you would like to evaluate the person that will take a specific role so you know if the person both has time and energy to do it... and is qualified. hahahahah :D

pps: I've got some ideas for specific roles that could prove to be useful if they are to be implemented, but such discussion is more suited on the team forum when available.

... but such discussion is more suited on the team forum when available.
This is my feeling as well. I certainly have input, but will patiently hold my tongue until we are free from prying eyes. ;)

If you'll have me, I'll join this team! No MP experience (well, unless you count being on Team Cav for the last three months as a lurker since I joined way too late to have any idea what was going on), but I have SGOTM experience on team Smurkz for the past three/four games if that counts for anything.

As long as you didn't have the same foreign policy I guess... :lol: Although the choice of name might unnecessarily antagonise relations with those who participated in that old demogame. :p (I'm not sure if anyone who actually played in that game is playing in this one...??)

Indeed thats' what I was worried about. We could end up getting dog-piled from the start, just out of some SPITE/payback from others wanting revenge... :lol:

I'm new to this, so I'm not quite up to date on all of the subtleties and rules, but how about we WorldBuilder in a stack of Modern Armors on turn 1.

That's legal, right?

I'm new to this, so I'm not quite up to date on all of the subtleties and rules, but how about we WorldBuilder in a stack of Modern Armors on turn 1.

That's legal, right?

Yup, just like it's legal to WB your opponents onto one square starting islands...

:sarcasm:

Yup, just like it's legal to WB your opponents onto one square starting islands...

:sarcasm:

I think you will have to "recognize" The Mike since I believe he was clearly being ironic. :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIMFQfGF-o0

// FK

I think you will have to "recognize" The Mike since I believe he was clearly being ironic. :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIMFQfGF-o0

// FK

As was I...:p

As was I...:p

HAHAHAHAHAH so you're saying you where being ironic about being sarcastic? Classic double negative. :lol: I stand corrected good sir. :goodjob:

// FK

HAHAHAHAHAH so you're saying you where being ironic about being sarcastic? Classic double negative. :lol: I stand corrected good sir. :goodjob:

// FK

Okay well not quite what i meant...:) I meant i was playing along with the ironic joke...;)

Okay well not quite what i meant...:) I meant i was playing along with the ironic joke...;)

Ah well, ultimately it's basically the same thing anyway. :D

// FK

Hmm, what is it they say about dissecting jokes and all that..?

Hmm, what is it they say about dissecting jokes and all that..?

Ah well, hopefully I didn't destroy that much joy for the community. ;) The joke could only go so far and it had to be put down sadly... :goodjob: hahahahaha

// FK

I have asked Snaaty to come aboard, if he does so our THINK-TANK should be quite stronger.

I have asked Snaaty to come aboard, if he does so our THINK-TANK should be quite stronger.

Sweet, bring it on! It's good to have you on team Obsolete:goodjob:

Should we have like team wide petition and send him that?

Ooh, Snaaty's brilliant. Always enjoyed his old Don Deity stories.

Very nice job obsolete. :)

Backwards Logic - welcome!

Total team count: 20 members. Impressive. :)

Very nice job obsolete. :)

Backwards Logic - welcome!

Total team count: 20 members. Impressive. :)

Hahaha, I just saw that you added 21. ???, that's genius! I just wish we had those team forums already! I had the most boring day at work today. If we had team forum at least I could be productive:mischief:

Very nice job obsolete. :)

Backwards Logic - welcome!

Total team count: 20 members. Impressive. :)

make it 21 then:)

hi team... ...and yes, i also really enjoyed playing and writing good old donD:D

@ obs:
you should also try to "hire" the rest of the monday-team, zulan and auron... ...it´s always fun to play with them and they are among the best micormanagement players (they even like it:eek:) that are out there (both were in the team that won the second king of the hill challange in the german forum: AW-deity with bull)

they are among the best micormanagement players (they even like it:eek:)

What...you mean there's something bad about micro? :p micro's awesome!

Welcome, Snaaty.

Wow this means that our pitboss game might be really large ... :eek:

I have started to compose a message for our pitboss game already.

Snaaty, I believe my pvm to you also was forwarded to them as well. So they should be aware if they logged into the forum. If worse comes to worse, we can discuss a little more with them next Monday.

I'll join up, if there's room for another... and also if you'll accept that I joined not because of a basketball team, but because of this:
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x96/sweetacshon/topgun_800px.jpg
:cool:

Spot on!

People in the office looked at me funny since I was laughing so hard.

Welcome, Sweetacshon! :D

Spot on!

People in the office looked at me funny since I was laughing so hard.
Excellent. I am all for public embarrassment. :p So when does this thing kick off, anyway? Is it one of those any-day-now-I-assure-you x 90 kind of deals? ;)

Yup, it's pretty much like that. I'm here for few days now, and only thing that changes are team rosters.

Negative, Ghost Rider, the pattern is full.

Oh well, it's the way these things go. Look at sgotm! It's all the fault of Civ5... It's hard to get into extended games now because you just know that precious CiV time will go to CiV+1.

So when does this thing kick off, anyway? Is it one of those any-day-now-I-assure-you x 90 kind of deals? ;)

This is really annoying me as well. I joined up a while ago so I could see a real pit-boss discussion for the first time (and then partake in it), and something so simple apparently is too complex for the forum admins to handle? :crazyeye:

It's really a very poor show, but it's one of the hazards of running a huge site like this, I guess...

Negative, Ghost Rider, the pattern is full.

Air Boss Johnson: When are you going to stop those jockey's doing a fly-by on my tower at over 400 knots. I want somebody's butt, I want it now, I've had it! :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

While I understand that administrators are busy (I've been an administrator of a site before), even I have to wonder what the hold up is. It's almost been a week since the forum requests.

Hey guys, and how about that team pitboss game while we wait? I was thinking maybe to play small map with 4 teams, and pair up some players to play together so we can kind of simulate demo game, and in absence of better option those teams could communicate via pm or emails?

DMOC as a team leader could choose criteria how to pair the mini teams. Maybe to have one MP player and rest of the players with no MP experience. As far as I'm concerned, I could start on Sunday, since tomorrow I would have some obligations, and that also gives us one day to discuss this idea.

Off topic: I don't know about US but on NY Pix11 they will show Top Gun on Sunday at 3pm and 7pm, there is a chance to see the best of the best, one of the best, cause he so good MAVERICK!!!!

Is it too late to join?

Wooops: Wrong thread. :D

Hey guys, and how about that team pitboss game while we wait? I was thinking maybe to play small map with 4 teams, and pair up some players to play together so we can kind of simulate demo game, and in absence of better option those teams could communicate via pm or emails?

DMOC as a team leader could choose criteria how to pair the mini teams. Maybe to have one MP player and rest of the players with no MP experience. As far as I'm concerned, I could start on Sunday, since tomorrow I would have some obligations, and that also gives us one day to discuss this idea.

Off topic: I don't know about US but on NY Pix11 they will show Top Gun on Sunday at 3pm and 7pm, there is a chance to see the best of the best, one of the best, cause he so good MAVERICK!!!!

The "team pitboss" you're referring to is the intra team pitboss game I said back in my original post. My hope was that we'd get private forums up ASAP, discuss map settings, and have a game going within a week after the forums opened. It's a lot easier to plan for a pitboss game when you've got 1 thread devoted to the topic itself.

Is it too late to join?

Welcome to the team! :)

That's exactly that I was planing to say. I'm sorry I didn't put it that way, we can discuss details even here. What do you think?

I'd rather not discuss things in public, even if that means we have to wait and lose half the team due to in-activity while waiting for the "private forums"...

I'd rather not discuss things in public, even if that means we have to wait and lose half the team due to in-activity while waiting for the "private forums"...

Our intra team game has nothing to do with the actual game, except a chance for people to introduce each other and practice. We can have that discussion here, it's like other test pitboss game which is on right now.

Well, it's a fairly good idea, imo. The first thing we need is expressions of interest to determine numbers. Who'd be up for a test pitboss game? (yes from me)

Make that two!

I'd play (I'm also thinking about hosting). That makes 3 so far I guess.

If we get more than 18 we might have to have some teams of 2 or 3 members, since I don't want an extra mod added on (can never get those to work, except BUG of course).

Forums are here! :) Please go to your "Group Memberships" page and request to join TEAM MAVERICKS! :goodjob:

:bowdown::hatsoff::woohoo:

keen for team xD!

Everyone who signed up, please go to the usergroups page (http://forums.civfanatics.com/profile.php?do=editusergroups) and apply to your team forum.

*knock* *knock* Can I come in? :)

javidbing - is that a signup? :)

yes please! i'm new to this but it looks cool and i been playing civ for ages so should be able to help :D

Okay, looks good. Be sure to follow the direction to get access to the private forums! :)

sweet as!

I'd like to join this team, if it's not too late. :)
Practically no experience with MP, but I play SG's quite a bit. Mostly immortal / normal in solo games.
I would gladly participate in the team pitboss, as well.

Welcome to the team! If you can play immortal then you definitely have enough knowledge to help us out. :)

Excellent, thx. :)
I'll sign up and make a request for the private forum later tonight...

Excellent! :)

We've got almost 10 players interested in our intra-team pitboss game.

We've got almost 10 players interested in our intra-team pitboss game.
Neat, we're currently at 11 for ours. :)

how do i get private forum access lol

Have a look at the first post in the sign up thread.

Have a look at the first post in the sign up thread.

cheers done

At the risk of sounding like a right idiot... :)

I've signed up for the Mavericks group and the application has processed. Where do I actually find the forum? :blush:

If you go to the front page of this forum, it should be towards the top of the page.

I have requested to join the private forum. I also want to join the intrateam pitboss. Hope it didn't already start.

Nope, we're still discussing the game settings.

yes please! i'm new to this but it looks cool and i been playing civ for ages so should be able to help :D

A wild bing appeared.

The top of the forum is getting crowded, any objections to unsticking the team threads?

No objections.

I've signed up.

Hello, King Morgan.

I did request for a pitboss host before but right now I think I know my way around to be a host. I'd love for you to be in our intra-team game and act as a backup host, though. ;) Might definitely need one.

Let's roll, when is this game going to start all ready..

It has started.

Had to be away for a while. Did a private forum get setup? How far along are we?

Guys, the private forum's been running for a while, and the game started two days ago.
Follow this link... (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=9018331&postcount=68)

Have you guys forgotton to hit enter or something? I've noticed a few people log in but no-one actually hit enter.

Sorry, dude. DMOC's our primary TP, and he's away for two days. There was some confusion over who replaces him... Should be done soon.

Well it's not a problem I was just wondering what the hold up is when all that needs to be done is press enter, does it make a huge difference at this point if the primary TP is absent? If you guys think so then by all means don't hit enter i was just double checking that you knew you *could* do. :)

Yes, I believe that this has been sorted out as obsolete will be the backup for our team. :) Sorry for any time delay that we had.

Hay guys wats going on in here?

signed up, a bit late I guess but with almost 30 people on team I guess it won't matter that much :)

Hey Silu :)
All the discussion's in the private forum... If you asked for access, you have to wait for Dave or CH to approve it, and you should see it at the top of this forum page after that.