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Camikaze
Mar 04, 2010, 05:15 AM
Speaking of Triple J's Hottest 100, I have to say that I'm disappointed Muse didn't do better last year. I mean, sure, they got 4 in the list, but the highest was only 9th? How on earth did Mumford and Sons beat them?

azzaman333
Mar 04, 2010, 05:18 AM
Muse did crap last year because their album was crap compared to the rest of their work. I personally refused to vote for any Muse songs solely because they can do much better than what they dished up.

Camikaze
Mar 04, 2010, 05:24 AM
Eh, I still disagree with that. I firmly think that The Resistance is only bested by Absolution. A move towards more upbeat pop type songs (that still are not pop songs, but are not in the same vein as, say, Plug in Baby) is a good thing, IMO. If they kept trying to produce the same type of stuff, it would be bound to be mediocre in comparison. Having a change and doing it well, however, is a good way to go.

azzaman333
Mar 04, 2010, 05:30 AM
Plug In Baby is Muse's 2nd best song behind Stockholm Syndrome [pissed]

Camikaze
Mar 04, 2010, 05:33 AM
Well I wasn't trying to diss Plug In Baby (although, for the record, it's one of my least favourite Muse songs :p), in fact, I was saying that if they had attempted more of the same, it would be bound to be of a lower quality. So going for something different was the way to go. And what they did that was different, although apparently not liked by some for being too much 'pop', was catchy, and well executed.

azzaman333
Mar 04, 2010, 05:35 AM
The Resistance was let down severely by the ridiculously wanky symphony and a couple of real stinkers in the middle.

Also, how could you dislike Plug In Baby? It has an awesome riff.

Camikaze
Mar 04, 2010, 05:40 AM
The vocals in Plug In Baby are relatively cringe-worthy compared to most of Muse's work. And I still like it...just not nearly as much as other songs.

And IMO the symphony was a brilliant work of genius. I don't see what's 'wanky' about it, unless you're classifying anything that involves a string section as 'wanky'. The first half of the album is the strong suit, but the only real weak song in it is Unnatural Selection, which isn't all that bad. Everything else is at least enjoyable and reasonably good, if not fantastic.

azzaman333
Mar 04, 2010, 06:47 AM
I don't see how Plug In Baby's are any more cringe-worthy than any of the conspiracy theory lyrics on the Resistance (in particular).

Also, Guiding Light, I Belong to You and the Symphony, 5/11 of the album, are all songs that I strongly dislike.

Heretic_Cata
Mar 04, 2010, 09:11 AM
Muse are nice, but severely overrated. :p

Grey Fox
Mar 04, 2010, 09:25 AM
I love Muse and their latest album is pretty good. Not sure why, if it's even true, it would be any worse only cause it's disappointing compared to their earlier work. (Which I don't think I agree with)

If something is good it is good, doesn't matter if it's not as good as it could be or not as good as any earlier work in comparison.


And I agree with Heretic Cata, they are overrated. But that doesn't matter either really. :p

Silurian
Mar 04, 2010, 09:59 AM
Great Teignmouth band Camikaze@ but Torquay is a better town

Dell19
Mar 04, 2010, 01:25 PM
I think I've listened to their latest album once and haven't been inclined to listen to it again. Showbiz is probably my favourite album of theirs.

Mirc
Mar 04, 2010, 02:29 PM
Note: I haven't really listened to their new stuff. I just went into this thread to say this: Butterflies and Hurricanes is one of my favorite non-classical songs ever. :) I quite like Knights of Cydonia too, but that's about it. I don't like any other song, on the whole, although I have to admit that they have lots of very good ideas that I considered incorporating in my compositions, and they can do a lot with just 3 people. The falsetto in the vocals can be great (as it is in B&H, where it gives the whole thing sense), but they severely overdo it, and I hate it when the guy sounds like a moaning cat rather than an actual human (let alone an actual man :p). Sometimes they overdo it so much that they start sounding like a manele singer (Cata knows what I'm talking about ;)).

Conclusion: one-hit-wonder for me, they have much potential but they seem to be throwing it out of the window. Things can be done, but things must be changed first. Of course, my voice is just one of the many.

Chukchi Husky
Mar 04, 2010, 02:35 PM
I used to listen to Muse years ago but I don't anymore.

LucyDuke
Mar 04, 2010, 03:39 PM
Muse are nice, but severely overrated. :p

I agree with this except the first part. :sad:

Camikaze
Mar 04, 2010, 04:30 PM
@people who think they are overrated- what makes you think they are overrated? I'm not saying you're necessarily wrong (although obviously I disagree with you), but I'm curious as to why you think they are overrated.

I don't see how Plug In Baby's are any more cringe-worthy than any of the conspiracy theory lyrics on the Resistance (in particular).

Also, Guiding Light, I Belong to You and the Symphony, 5/11 of the album, are all songs that I strongly dislike.

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I don't listen to lyrics. At all. I just don't here them when I listen to a song. I was talking about the timbre of the vocals.

What makes you dislike Guiding Light, I Belong To You and the Symphony in particular? I mean, sure, Guiding Light is certainly not my favourite song, nor is I Belong To You, but I think they are at least reasonably decent.

Note: I haven't really listened to their new stuff. I just went into this thread to say this: Butterflies and Hurricanes is one of my favorite non-classical songs ever.

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Yeah, Butterflies and Hurricanes is my favourite song.

The falsetto in the vocals can be great (as it is in B&H, where it gives the whole thing sense), but they severely overdo it, and I hate it when the guy sounds like a moaning cat rather than an actual human (let alone an actual man :p)

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I have to say, this is perhaps the only problem I find with their symphony. Although I think the falsetto voice work for it for the most part, it does seem a bit much at times.

Conclusion: one-hit-wonder for me, they have much potential but they seem to be throwing it out of the window. Things can be done, but things must be changed first. Of course, my voice is just one of the many.

What do you think they need to change? What things can be done to improve?

azzaman333
Mar 04, 2010, 09:02 PM
I love Muse and their latest album is pretty good. Not sure why, if it's even true, it would be any worse only cause it's disappointing compared to their earlier work. (Which I don't think I agree with)

If something is good it is good, doesn't matter if it's not as good as it could be or not as good as any earlier work in comparison.


And I agree with Heretic Cata, they are overrated. But that doesn't matter either really. :p

Half the album sucks, and the bad half affects my perception on how good the other half is.

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I don't listen to lyrics. At all. I just don't here them when I listen to a song. I was talking about the timbre of the vocals.

What makes you dislike Guiding Light, I Belong To You and the Symphony in particular? I mean, sure, Guiding Light is certainly not my favourite song, nor is I Belong To You, but I think they are at least reasonably decent.

I don't know what makes me dislike them in particular, but I would guess that a lack of energy in the songs is a significant part of the reason.

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Yeah, Butterflies and Hurricanes is my favourite song.

2nd best song on Absolution.

Camikaze
Mar 04, 2010, 09:10 PM
Well, I will freely admit that Stockholm Syndrome is a brilliant song...but I would put it at 3rd best on Absolution, behind B & H and Hysteria. That shows how good Absolution is, though, more than anything.

azzaman333
Mar 04, 2010, 09:14 PM
I still prefer Origin of Symmetry, especially the first 6 songs.

Camikaze
Mar 04, 2010, 09:22 PM
Well, the first 3 are quite good...but I'm not a big fan of the next 3, although they are still decent. Hyper Music sounds way too generic 90's, although once you get past the intro, it's pretty catchy. The choruses are not really enjoyable, though. And Citizen Erased is...okay...but again, it sounds way too 90's. Better than Hyper Music, but they have done awfully better than these songs. Darkshines, at least, is better than these two songs. Overall, I'd put Origin of Symmetry equal bottom of the Muse pile alongside Showbiz, although both are decent albums.

LucyDuke
Mar 04, 2010, 11:03 PM
@people who think they are overrated- what makes you think they are overrated? I'm not saying you're necessarily wrong (although obviously I disagree with you), but I'm curious as to why you think they are overrated.

Same reason anyone thinks anything is overrated. People say they re really good, I don t think they re that good.

Camikaze
Mar 04, 2010, 11:32 PM
So just you plain don't like the songs, rather than any specific quibble with an aspect of their music? Ok, fair enough.

Heretic_Cata
Mar 05, 2010, 01:19 AM
The falsetto in the vocals can be great (as it is in B&H, where it gives the whole thing sense), but they severely overdo it, and I hate it when the guy sounds like a moaning cat rather than an actual human (let alone an actual man :p). Sometimes they overdo it so much that they start sounding like a manele singer (Cata knows what I'm talking about ;)).
Prolly why i hate most artists that sing too much in falsettos (like Radiohead and Jeff Buckley who popularised the widespread usage of this type of voice)
@people who think they are overrated- what makes you think they are overrated? I'm not saying you're necessarily wrong (although obviously I disagree with you), but I'm curious as to why you think they are overrated.
They get hundreds of awards everywhere even tho they are not that good. And they get too much critical & noncritical acclaim.

holy king
Mar 05, 2010, 01:48 AM
i'm not intro suicide music, but i guess it's good suicide music.

azzaman333
Mar 05, 2010, 02:57 AM
i'm not intro suicide music, but i guess it's good suicide music.

You're confusing conspiracy theory music (this) with suicide music (linkin park).

holy king
Mar 05, 2010, 03:23 AM
You're confusing conspiracy theory music (this) with suicide music (linkin park).

i dont see the difference in tone between muse and linking park. i mean, yeah, linkin park is like the only survivor of nu metal and muse is.... i dont know, "emo-rock"?, but in general they seem have the same target audience to me.

Camikaze
Mar 05, 2010, 03:27 AM
Hmm...I never thought about them fitting into that category, actually. And I'm struggling to see why they do. I would've thought they just fit solidly into alternative rock, perhaps touching in prog rock. But emo rock? What makes you think they fit into that category?

holy king
Mar 05, 2010, 03:28 AM
i dont even know waht emo rock sounds like, the word was just a suggestion.

azzaman333
Mar 05, 2010, 03:30 AM
i dont see the difference in tone between muse and linking park. i mean, yeah, linkin park is like the only survivor of nu metal and muse is.... i dont know, "emo-rock"?, but in general they seem have the same target audience to me.

Linkin Park are angry. They make loud noises to release their anger, while yelling about how crap life is.

Muse uses more complex music and vague lyrics to suggest that there's a whole heap of crazy conspiracies that you should believe.

Basically, Linkin Park targets angry 13 year olds boys, whilst Muse targets youths that think they're insightful and wise (but normally aren't). They often believe a couple of conspiracy theories as well. There's some overlap, but not much.

holy king
Mar 05, 2010, 03:31 AM
hm, may be so.

BCLG100
Mar 05, 2010, 08:07 AM
The last album was not one of their best but it was still reasonable, the symphony was ok enough but if i wanted to hear that sort of thing i wouldn't listen to muse.

I think with muse is that they're so incredible live that when you have seen them a few times live then their albums pale in comparison.

Ozbenno
Mar 06, 2010, 02:56 PM
How on earth did Mumford and Sons beat them?

The last album was fairly awful IMHO, but the real question have to be how did La Roux beat them. Must be the worst ever song to get into the top 10 of a hottest 100(and there have been some stinkers) :mad:

Heretic_Cata
Mar 07, 2010, 03:33 AM
The last album was fairly awful IMHO, but the real question have to be how did La Roux beat them. Must be the worst ever song to get into the top 10 of a hottest 100(and there have been some stinkers) :mad:
It's not that bad. (in for the kill at least) :p From what i could tell, (at least in england - don't care about what's happening in the us music scene) there's some sort of 80s synthpop revival going on. So we can expect the more rock oriented music to loose ground.