View Full Version : Who's the best rapper ever?


Narz
Mar 07, 2010, 06:30 PM
Hey, vote in the poll! Feel free to support your evidence with music clips or videos if you like. :)

bigdog5994
Mar 07, 2010, 06:48 PM
im just gonna say Lil' Wayne

Narz
Mar 07, 2010, 06:53 PM
and for that (along with dissing my fine art) you should be banned from this subforum! :D

Kyriakos
Mar 07, 2010, 07:01 PM
You should elaborate on the options a bit, since Plotinus or Valka may deem the thread too general and not inviting discussion :)

As for me, i should say i don't like rap.

azzaman333
Mar 07, 2010, 07:03 PM
Hilltop Hoods

Narz
Mar 07, 2010, 07:07 PM
You should elaborate on the options a bit
The options aren't limited. If you mean the poll the two listed are commonly thought of as the two best of all time. It's a radiatively new art (30 years or so) so it's not surprising that there aren't dozens of contenders for the best of the best.

Theige
Mar 07, 2010, 07:09 PM
Eminem is virtually tied with B.I.G. in my book.

Tupac rounds out the clear top 3 though

shortguy
Mar 07, 2010, 07:54 PM
Can't say I know much about rap, but I'll go with Biggie. Honorable mention to Big Pun.

Takhisis
Mar 08, 2010, 12:16 AM
Run-D.M.C. :smug:

classical_hero
Mar 08, 2010, 05:17 AM
Beastie Boys, the Original white boy rappers.

On the subject of Rappers, I had t repost this image from the Funny pictures thread.
http://deviantdecorum.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/simplified.jpg

ParadigmShifter
Mar 08, 2010, 05:29 AM
Chuck D

EDIT: "It would take a nation of millions to hold us back" is one of the best albums of all time. Even non-rap fans should have a listen.

Heavy Metal fans will probably like "Fear of a Black Planet" more, if only for the Slayer sample on "She watch channel zero".

holy king
Mar 08, 2010, 06:00 AM
run dmc.

i once saw them at a festival where they acted as stand in for some rather big rock act who had cancelled very short term (forgot what it was), which had just been anounced in the afternoon.

they completely rocked the house, a truely amazing feat for a hip hop act under these circumstances.

RedRalph
Mar 08, 2010, 06:11 AM
Bumclown McFiddlemickey. A low-profile but fabulous Irish rapper

ParadigmShifter
Mar 08, 2010, 06:17 AM
Did Bumclown ever do his collaboration with famed Scotch rapper Phil McRevis?

downtown
Mar 08, 2010, 06:22 AM
Run-D.M.C. :smug:

That is who I would vote for too...then Biggie.

bigdog5994
Mar 08, 2010, 06:24 AM
but run dmc are a rap group

Takhisis
Mar 08, 2010, 08:13 AM
but run dmc are a rap group
As if Eminem did everything alone.

nc-1701
Mar 08, 2010, 08:50 AM
Eminem
Pretty hands down the best period.

First Tier: Would all have a shot at best if Eminem were never born.
Tupac
Tech N9ne
Eazy-E
Immortal Technique
Motion Man
Kool Keith
Biggie
Dr. Dre
Wu Tang Clan
Outkast

bigdog5994
Mar 08, 2010, 09:26 AM
fine then i change my answer to OutKast

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warpus
Mar 08, 2010, 08:01 PM
Tom Green of course

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Japanrocks12
Mar 09, 2010, 04:55 AM
clipse

Heretic_Cata
Mar 11, 2010, 01:15 AM
Does John Cooper Clarke count ?

holy king
Mar 11, 2010, 05:35 AM
evidently, chickentown.

Luckymoose
Mar 12, 2010, 02:50 PM
Biggie or Tupac? Seriously? Those guys suck so much on average and only had a couple decent songs. Ice Cube would be more in line of greatest ever seeing as he invented gangsta rap and tons of greatly rated songs and albums. Lil' Wayne doesn't have the depth lyrically that Ice Cube has.

Narz
Mar 12, 2010, 03:25 PM
lol, Ice Cube better than Tupac. :crazyeye: Tupac has like a dozen good songs. Ice Cube was ok though, I liked Today Was a Good Day (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CPlF-IEkXQ). But listen to his voice man. I mean it's terrible compared to Tupac. Tupac actually had a melodious (as does Snoop, Big Pun, Biggie) voice where Ice Cube is more of a talker-rapper. The type of rapper that made people say rappers rap because they can't sing.

I mean :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzeZhCt5PVA

vs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUSgBBAo8bg

Not even a question.

I wouldn't even put Ice Cube in the top 100. Maybe in the top 1000.

ParadigmShifter
Mar 12, 2010, 04:43 PM
Ice cube was good on Burn Hollywood Burn (prob swearwords in this)

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EDIT: Nope, dubs ;)

Plotinus
Mar 13, 2010, 05:34 AM
Why has no-one mentioned MC Frontalot?

Takhisis
Mar 13, 2010, 08:31 AM
Because RUN-D.M.C. is better :)

Elta
Mar 15, 2010, 10:52 PM
For me anyway Kool Kieth a.k.a Dr. Octogon a.k.a. Keith Thornton



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And Q-tip from Tribe called quest


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I am biased because I grew up with these guys, but they are my favorite rappers, their style and voices fit in with everything.

Fifty
Mar 16, 2010, 01:16 AM
Pac and Biggie would not be on nearly as many people's short list if they weren't killed.

Most folks don't know the right criteria for evaluating the aesthetic worth of rap songs. They just look for certain lyrics that affirm their little fantasies of rebellious individualism, hustler mentality and so on (this is strongly the case with Pac).

This is why casual rap fans (who often style themselves as fans of "real hip-hop" :lol:) never understand why, for instance, Reasonable Doubt is regarded by hardcore hip-hop folks as one of the best albums ever, and why songs like NY State of Mind (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKjj4hk0pV4) and I Ain't No Joke (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TN-kDEKxF0) are far better than anything Biggie or Pac have ever done. I'm not saying Biggie or Pac are BAD, but people make them out to be gods when they're really the underdog in any discussion of greatest rapper.

Eminem is certainly one of the best rappers ever. His lyricism is well known, but his flow is underrated. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDuRoPIOBjE#t=4m51s)

Its very fashionable to hate Lil Wayne, but his lyricism is pretty impressive (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQ8ib3evYqc) especially considering that he's pretty much a one trick pony (the one trick being simile and metaphor). There are very few active rappers on or above his level (TI is the only contemporary rapper clearly above his level), but he's not the best ever. Another underrated rapper is 50 Cent.

We also have to ask what type of rap we're talking about. Thug rap? My short list would be Pac, Bone Thugs, and 50 Cent of all people. Traditional hip-hop? KRS-One, Rakim, some of those old school dudes. Introspective rap with great lyricism? Jay-Z, Nas, Eminem, MAYBE Biggie.

"Hip-Hop is about talkin' that [poop]" -KRS-One

TheAlamo
Mar 16, 2010, 02:36 AM
Obviously, Kool Moe Dee.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bEFJYyu1MM

I rest my case.

Narz
Mar 16, 2010, 11:48 AM
And Q-tip from Tribe called quest


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I am biased because I grew up with these guys, but they are my favorite rappers, their style and voices fit in with everything.
I like Tribe. They're very unique & catchy. I must've listened to Award Tour (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qapou-3-fM8) fifty times one summer (it was on my one mix-CD that didn't get somehow get all scratched up). There were a bunch of obscure underground songs on their too I wish I could remember the names of (or enough of a wisp of the lyrics that I could look them up).

Pac and Biggie would not be on nearly as many people's short list if they weren't killed.
I agree.

Most folks don't know the right criteria for evaluating the aesthetic worth of rap songs. They just look for certain lyrics that affirm their little fantasies
Welcome to the world. People who think they understand "objective criteria" do the exact same thing. Usually they are worse actually using their "objectivity" & "true understanding" to become ever more mired in their beliefs. ;) A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

This is why casual rap fans (who often style themselves as fans of "real hip-hop" :lol:) never understand why, for instance, Reasonable Doubt is regarded by hardcore hip-hop folks as one of the best albums ever, and why songs like NY State of Mind (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKjj4hk0pV4) and I Ain't No Joke (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TN-kDEKxF0) are far better than anything Biggie or Pac have ever done.
Meh, NY State of Mind isn't even the best Nas has done. If I ruled the world is he best. Ain't no Joke is good for it's day but it gets a bit monotonous after awhile. I prefer Sugar Hill Gang if I'm feeling like takin' it back.

I'm not saying Biggie or Pac are BAD, but people make them out to be gods when they're really the underdog in any discussion of greatest rapper.

[QUOTE=Fifty;9000990]Eminem is certainly one of the best rappers ever. His lyricism is well known, but his flow is underrated. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDuRoPIOBjE#t=4m51s)
I don't think it is. His lyrics alone wouldn't have gotten him so popular if his flow & beats weren't also so good.

Don't think his flow can quite compete with Snoop though.

Another underrated rapper is 50 Cent.
I agree.

We also have to ask what type of rap we're talking about.
Any.

Thommie
Mar 23, 2010, 06:26 AM
For me, as a white dutch guy.. I'm gonna go with either Common (especially his earlier work) or Mos Def..