Welcome to The Great Hall

This thread will be used by the Imperial general and the King himself to post screens and info every turn.

Any discussion is strictly forbidden here!

Turn 0, 4000BC
From time immemorial, the glorious ancestry of the people of Merlot walked the earth, and any patch of grass was a suitable place to rest their weary heads. At night, at their campfires, the elders would entertain the young with stories of their adventures. "When I was a child, my father gave to me this marvelous fruit. These round, purpuly bunches of juice. Oh so sweet they were, I can remember the taste."

Time passed for Merlot and a great leader arose among its people. The nobility recognized this one and with pomp and celebration, the great Indiansmoke became chosen as rightful the King of this wandering tribe.
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"My people, we shall wander no longer. Here we are, at the water's edge. On this ground I declare we shall build a great castle, to house the people of Merlot for all time.

King Indiansmoke spoke and it was done.
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Mutal founded. And quite the landmass to the west. Production set to worker, research set to Agriculture. Let the games begin.

Turn 1, 3960BC

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Turn 2, 3920BC
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Moved NE, find yet another wine. Potential for seafood 5N of capitol, can be revealed at turn 50 border pop or sooner. It appears as if the coast is heading south in the fog (to be confirmed next turn) but if so, then we are on a bottlenecking peninsula or an island. Elimination of the Great Lighthouse makes me suspect the latter. Ready to move SE next turn.

Turn 3, 3880BC
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The coast is sure heading south. Another corn revealed.

Edit: Wrong thread, sorry.

Yet more gems and more coast revealed.

It looks like we are on an island, new land revealed off the coast of capital

Turn 6, 3760BC
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Viking team has increase in score 33>39

4 turns from worker, 2 from agriculture

3 turns from worker 1 from agriculture

Started fishing worker due in 2

fishing in 5 worker in 1

Turn 11, 3560BC
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Worker works farm for one turn, warrior moves up through the fog on his way to reveal last obscured sea tile.

Turn 12, 3520BC
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Worker begins corn farm.

Turn 13 3480 bc

Turn 14, 3440BC
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Turn 15, 3400BC
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Fishing completed last turn; begin Bronzeworking. Workboat on top of queue; Warrior set aside at 8/15:hammers: towards completion. Corn farm complete next turn, worker able to move the turn after that.

Turn 16 3360 bc

Our first farm is improved :goodjob:

t17 3320 bc

1 turn to grow to size 2

Turn 18 3280bc

We grew size 2 and started our second worker while first worker went to improve gems

Turn 19, 3240BC
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Worker begins mine.

Turn 20, 3200BC
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Turn 21, 3160BC
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We have completed and are working our first gem mine :)

Turn 23 3080 bc

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Turn 25, 3000BC
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2nd worker off to farm corn. Mine done turn 26.

Turn 26, 2960BC
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Begin farm on corn, other completes mine next turn. BW in next turn as well.

Turn 27, 2920BC
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No bronze on the island. Begin Wheel.

Turn 28, 2880BC
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Worker moves to forest.

turn 29 2840 bc

Turn 30, 2800BC
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Growing into pop 3 through gems. We'll be at 3/26:food:, where 3 turns working corn and a 4th on both gems gets us to pop 4 with 1:food: overflow. Continued with Wheel.

Turn 31, 2760BC
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If holds, worker chops forest for a turn into settler; both corns and 1 gems worked for max :hammers:. Freshly built workboat begins journey and other worker into forest.

Turn 32, 2720BC
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The tile 3W 1S of the workerboat is still coast so this could still be either 2 islands or a large inlet. This may be answered with the first workboat move next turn, but it looks like again we have a decision to make, west in between these potential islands or continuing south.

City set to growth and back to warrior. Next turn will work the lake for two turns to reach pop 4. As we gain a gem turn by getting to pop 4 a turn faster, our lost commerce by working the lake over gems will be 1:commerce:

I feel knowing the archipelago / pangaia situation has significant planning influence, even in near future. Archipelago = less barb threat on new land masses, moving capitol makes less sense, city packing on our starting island might be different and so on. I'd pursue the westbound path. Additionally we map out more of the closest landmass, which is where we are likely to put our first intercontinental city.

I would second the west bound path, if for no other reason than to know if it is an inlet or not.


Edit: My apologies sire.

Be warned that the next time anyone posts here he will be send to the lions!

An eventfull turn....buddism was founded in a far away land so tech set to sailing....

t34 2640 bc

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Production set back to growth to make pop 4 next turn. Hinduism founded by team Mavericks, both early religions taken.

Turn 36, 2560BC
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We've reached the end. So, head back to try the south/north route?

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Workers complete the road this turn, they're on the grassland and wine. Next turn they head into the grass forest east of road's end to chop. Chop comes in the turn settler finishes = 6:hammers: of overflow the turn after.

t37 2520 bc

Turn 38, 2480BC
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Settler finishes this turn. Stonehenge built in a far away land.

Turn 39, 2440BC
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Settler to the city site, sailing to be completed, workers finish chop and put one turn of road on the southern corn.

Turn 40, 2400BC
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2nd city founded (name needed), production set to warrior. Both workers begin farm. Research set to 0% science for a turn.

t41 2360 bc

t42 2320bc

Turn 43, 2280BC
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Workers begin farm.

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Rivers found in the south as well, land is looking pretty symetrical.

Turn 44, 2240BC
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turn 45 2200 bc

The Oracle was built

Tech switched to hunting

Turn 46, 2160BC
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Workers moved to respective hills, warrior moved 1 tile W.

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turn 47 2120 bc

Turn 48, 2080BC
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In Merlot Castle, switched to hammers from lake for 5:hammers: overflow into whatever we produce next. Worker will complete their mines for turn 50, after next turn.

And yes, there's Provolution's workboat, the Rio Grande.

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turn 50 2.000 bc

turn 51 1960 bc

An eventfull turn, 2 more civs met!

turn 53 1880 bc

Monotheism founded in a distant land...copper discovered across the sea.

Turn 54, 1840BC

Holkan sent NW revealing barb warrior.

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turn 55 1899 bc

turn 56 1760 bc

turn 57 1720 bc

turn 58 1680 bc

turn 59 1640 bc.....

turn 60 1600 bc

turn 61 1560bc

turn 62 1520 bc...

turn 63 1480bc

Adopted HR & slavery

turn 64 1440 bc...

Turn 65 1400bc

the colonization has began!

Turn 66 1360bc
War!!

turn 67 1320bc

Sirious get a great scientist.

turn 68 1280 bc
Maverics get a great engineer!

turn 69 1240bc

Pyramids build by Maverics Confucianism founded.

turn 70 1200bc

turn 71 1160bc

turn 72 1120 bc

Turn 73

I think we should set up a 2 pop whip in this city as it is working 2 unimproved tiles. It will gain 1 tile back immediately I believe. Please discuss in the appropriate thread.

Holkan continues the journey, archer unloaded at circus just in time to witness a granary whipping.
EDIT: Holkan loaded onto the galley.
I also switched one of the corns in the capital to the new cottage, since capital is at happy cap and permission to whip has been denied.
Royal baths could use the corn, but they don't have any more improved tiles and have been whipped recently, so I left them working the 4h mine.

Turn 75, 975BC



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NW or W goes to Mav.

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Circus worker just finished road, will move to bronze.
Above Castle just finished cottage, I'd like to move him towards a wine.
Below Castle just began cottage.
Dungeon just began winery.

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Can finish the archer in time by switching a grass mine to the plains one for the last hammer.

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Will switch to coast tile to make growth.

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Began worker, can be whipped in 3.

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Will whip granary next turn

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Turn 77, 950BC

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Workboat begun in Circus, worker over ther pre-builds cottage befor eheading to bronze at border pop.

Turn 78, 925BC

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Looks like I got the math wrong, it's 3 turn and a whip, so next turn this whips.

Turn 79, 900BC

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So they move where we were. I bet they had a poll for that.

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Next turn the borders pop in circus so at the beginning of their turn they'll know of our city (and by the end of the turn they can know whether it's fresh or not). I realign the troops as prescribed, by pull the warrior back. I think the best defensive is to put the warrior on our mined hill - he'll be at 5% fortify just barely getting us the +50% odds against the first strike from across the river.

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Warrior from dungeon makes it to cover for Castle which can be tweaked last turn to grow in 3, and the holkan that will be complete next turn can get on the galley as it arrives.

Turn 80, 875BC

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And you can see the horse finally from the last shot, seen this turn by the border pop in circus. Thsi means everyone has a bronze neighbor and a horse neighbor. Amazon's first choice was the other side of us, it's just a question of whether they built the single clam city or the double. CDZ is working alot of mines, tops in production with 29.

Turn 81, 850BC

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We've been caught, thst's Provolution's warrior. Don't know if there's much they can do about it, though I bet they're off and running diplomatically to see if they can.

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Whipped the archer in circus, didn't move a unit. Offering a 5% fortify v first strike in our favor battle. 21 hours on the clock and we can move the archer to the hill as well.

Turn 82, 825BC

Big turn, we meet Mavericks

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And I send them this:

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Over in the circus with the AMAZON archer, he has moved his one tile south but put himself in a fortify position. I really like these odds given our surrounding troops (holkan, warrior, 2 archer) but I stay defending on the bronze. The worker there will finish next turn, so this is our last turn we're able to complete warriors.

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Events:
1.Alphabet in 3 turns
2.Copper hooked up
Unit moves:
-west holkan sent to explore further
-circus archer positioned on copper hill and the hill W of it
-holkan unloaded to circus
-woodsman warrior loaded onto galley (can be unloaded next turn if needed)
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Cities:
-Switched production in Merlot Castle to Library, with cottages growing we want it soon. Other build orders remain unchanged.
-Switched Baths to work the new wine, Dungeon will steal it next turn.
-Switched Castle to cottage and production tiles to get the library faster.

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Events:
Amazon axemen (or -women? Dunno, they look pretty manly to me) sighted.
West Holkan meets Sirius' border.
Units:
- Woodsman warrior dropped on the other side of channel
- Galley towards capital
- Circus worker does cottage, for lack of better options
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Cities:
- Circus set to axeman
- Gardens and dungeon switched to lighthouses
- Castle switched to working corn and some other tile changes
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turn 85 750bc

turn 86 725bc

An eventfull turn, we exchanged techs with Mavs and we now know metal casting, mathematics,masonry and polytheism.

turn 87 700bc

turn 88 675bc

turn 89 650bc

Amazon sends 2 more axes...these ladies mean business :D

Turn 91, 600BC

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All AMAZON axes go back to the hill North of circus. I whip an axe so we'll have 3 axes a holkan and an archer in the city. Hope the battles go our way. They'll attack archer first and then the axes.

Turn 92, 575BC

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They don't attack, next turn they're at 5% fortify.

Also a barb axe is found near CDZ and settler in position. Galley returning for workers.

Turn 93, 550BC

Turn 94, 525BC

Turn 95, 500BC

The AMAZON stack finally moves across the river. I suppose they take out the 2 archers 1 holkan we got on the bronze. Can't yet whip the xbow in circus to do much yet but 2 xbow from the island are coming soon. Also found ivory down the CDZ/Merlot leg. Great spy born in AMAZON this turn and gr prophet born in Mav last turn.

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Turn 96, 475BC

They don't attack, just move one tile north.

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Turn 97, 450BC

CDZ captured the barb city

Turn 98, 425BC

Amazon got a great spy and settled him, someone got music and an artist, our scientist is ready in 2 turns and our crossbows are ready to jump to battle!

Turn 99, 400BC

Turn 100 375bc

barb city has 3 archers and we have bad odds, Amazon army not in sight.

CDZ have also declared war on us, so I declared Sirious as well so that we are not pretending...we are now officially in a 4vs1 war.

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Turn 101 350bc

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Turn 102 325bc


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Turn 103 300bc

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Turn 105 250bc

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Turn 106 225bc

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Turn 107, 200bc

We revolted to Bureau, and shots show only their city (1) and two more tiles East: (2) their stack and (3) our enticing stack, and then we have other various units scattered E.

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Turn 108, 175bc

Merlot

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All amazon troops in their city. Our army is heading the opposite way generally; we have two settlers on this part of the mainland heading towards the marked spots - I'm most of the way decided on putting them there, feel free to comment. I also want to take the barb city. Two more workers (making four total) are also arriving from the horse peninsula soon.

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Mavericks

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We declare war, for a paltry dead warrior.

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Turn 109, 150bc

Mav

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So Amazon had a combat I immortal where our chariot is. Our chariot could promote to 3.7 (93/100hp) and we had a 4.07 v 4.4 battle (it was ~33%). Those things get defensive bonus so i sure didn't want to to get to our jungle, it would have forced out a spear (maybe even pre-granary) which we desperately need to be something else. Our chariot was good as dead up in the Q/CDZ penisula so I declared war and threw it at amazon. I doubt it gets any farther, wouldn't suuprise me at all if another immortal kills it before next turn

I thought I got the Merlot shots but i guess not. The amazon army was missing from the city (only two xbows there) and the trireme (got to get that out of there soon with the many turns they've had optics now) checked the desert tile W of the city (not there) so they have to be in the jungle NE of their city or on galleys up their cove. Likely jungle which will be confirmed next turn.

Merlot finished Construction (likely HBR next) and somebody got Philo & taoism on the other side.

Turn 110, 125bc

Merlot

Really bad news. This is the turn that they got Astro. Everybody made sure they got by this turn, unlike last turn for Philo where it wasn't as urgent. Ouch. And still nothing back yet from CDZ.

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Mav

We have 5 workers, 3 of which are on the mainland (2 doubled on the elephants). Walls etc would be nice but we're so thin everythings an opportunity cost. Poison still just has a spear + warrior and I've been dumping Mav money into Merlot research. Bubble gum just a tad better, xbow + axe still. xbows are arriving, but maybe that warrior need to become a mace.

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Turn 112, 75bc

Merlot
http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0577.jpg

Troops shown are in Sangre.
Mav
http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0574.jpg

They get our seafood and a new Dutch caravel appears.

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Turn 113, 50bc

Merlot

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0579.jpg

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For the bottom one, they're on the tile marked "12" and they also have the 3 caravels coming in to complicate our mainland-island galley suplly chain we had going. I could have sent the xbow and holkan in the capital on the last galley ride to the mainland but I chose to keep them put. Looks like the island and colony are separated from here on out.

On the front, I chose to put the 2xbow1holkan stack in the forest to make them earn the tile. We do have a decent number of troops in the area but it's looking like it'll be a hot fight.
Mav
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Turn 114, 25bc

Merlot

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0594.jpg
They move to where it was shown in west tower and we move NE along with them. Another caravel shows up along our east coast

Mav

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0588.jpg

And we also got the Dutch graphs now:

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I meant to get power but I guess not. I'll get it next turn i play; it wasn't too surprising.

Turn 115, 1 AD

Merlot

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0599paint.jpg

So I move the unpromoted xbow out of the city leaving just the combat I CG I xbow alone defending the city. Everything else is 1S of Sangre, and the un-labels xbow following our main stack is 3 units, 1 xbow 1 holkan 1 cat.

And it should be noted that AMAZON is running significant espionage against us, i suspect the main reason for this is to gain visibility of our cities, very useful for galleon based attacks. But as things stand now, they have like 400 EP to our 150 EP and we've been going all non-slider espionage at only amazon for a good while now (we spilt it with them and CDZ in the very beginning) so for them to get so much on us they've been dipping into the slider. We cannot even see their demographics they have so much.

And you can see I made a mistake with the trireme. Soon as i clicked it I knew i should have checked it against the caravels and lo and behold it ended a tile in range

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0596.jpg

Mav

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0603.jpg

Mav is starting to fill our unit-wise (could use more workers though for sure). Not much detail here but there is a catapult with xbow by Spot B. Still need a good handful-dozen turns to reach the amazon city and do something. And you can see the barb sword at our SW

Turn 116, 25 AD

Merlot

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I went in the city. I also put the 3 trailing units were the stack was; they can be attacked by the immortals and it was meant as a little bit of a tease but I seriously doubt they'd go there based on their past moves. The two workers (that last turn were pre-chopping in defense of Turnpike, my how things can change) i put in the city as sort of a "we can road to you so fight us or get out" gesture, I think their only choices are to fight or go NW/N/NE and I expect them to go one of those.

We have 4 workers in the area, the other two worker were place on the hills intending to road the turn before snaaty mentioned. At the time that road was more thinking along the lines of bailing straight for their canal city, but I went ahead with it anyway. Even though we're a little short on roads we do have 4 workers there - roads can come in an instant and they will. If they go N then those workers will probably build the road 1S sangre (though I'm tempted to move everything to where amazon is now, cow after all, workers included, if they go N.

Again the main (one of the main, anyway, the other being that xbows don't do too well against rifles) problem here strategically is that they have so much espionage they have visibility on all of us. Everything has to be done with that in mind. Which I think sets in concrete the fact that Mav has to attack amazon.
Mav

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0608.jpg

Much less pressure here navally (doubt that's a word) so the island-mainland ferry is up and running, (for now) loaded mace & xbow this turn. The dutch caravel is wrapping around our island coast which reminds me I gotta get that dutch power graph.

Other than that same old, same old, and I gotta start whipping some more UU (though the second of three is ready to get on the next galley next turn - there 2 galley where it is shown, both 2 turns from hiding in Copper City).

Turn 117, 50AD

Merlot

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So that pretty much sums it up, the battle couldn't have gone any better. Only two losses for 12 wins and their entire stack dead. Both maces, all immortals and i think only 1 cat were unpromoted, so pretty sorry work by AMAZON on that one. Battle went:

our unit v their units, numbers, our odds, our result

C1 xbow v xbow, 6.6 v 6.0, 68.1%, win
C1 xbow v immortal, 6.6 v 6.0, 73.8% (first strike), win
C1 xbow v immortal, 6.6 v 6.0, 73.8%, win
C1 xbow v immortal, 6.6 v 6.0, 73.8%, win
xbow v immortal, 6.0 v 6.0, 52.3%, win
xbow v mace, 6.0 v 5.33, 75.1%, win
xbow v mace, 6.0 v 5.33, 75.1%, lose
C1 mace v cat, 8.8 v 5.0, 96?%, win
xbow v cat, 6.0 v 5.0, 78.3%, win
xbow v cat, 6.0 v 5.0, 78.3%, win
axe v cat, 5.0 v 5.0, 50%, win
axe v cat, 5.0 v 5.0, 50%, lose
archer v wounded cat, 3.0 v 2.0, 93.6%, win
holkan v wounded mace, 4.0 v 1.92, 95.9%, win

The last two battle I used weaker units than what I could have to try and get more experience (although the last holkan battle only yeilded 1xp, i'm used to 99.1% being the cutoff, albeit he did end up next to a barb warrior so maybe he will get that 2nd xp.

Extra units went back towards circus and such and I can't say that I saw any galleons hovering around to pick those units up.

CDZ power:

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Mav

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0611.jpg

So here's the dutch power graph finally. Looks like they have a little bit of build-up recently so something may be coming. Probably be a while until anything gets shipped to the mainland, below shows the latest shipment. What isn't shown is I went 100% science to finish compass (this and next turn and it's in) and then Merlot will go for optics.

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Turn 118, 75AD

Merlot

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Mav

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Turn 119, 100ad

Merlot

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Mav

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Turn 120, 125ad

Merlot

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0633paint.jpg

Mav

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0635paint.jpg

3 fast workers also with HA

Turn 121, 150ad

Merlot

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Mav

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Turn 122, 175ad

Merlot

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Mav

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Turn 123, 200ad

Merlot

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Mav

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0658.jpg

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I played the mav turn first and decided to hold up a turn with the lead stack after seeing theirs. It's all looking real close. We can count on for sure one more mace and xbow from them which I'm pretty sure are in bookburner. I'm not sure where this other galleon came from, i think it may have brought the cats and then got placed coming back towards their city as sort of a fake out I don't think it came way out from around the south of merlot island. Even if there are 3 more units on nabaxio's pride I'd rather take that then walls going up in nabaxia. If walls go up I think we pretty much have to run back to our cities and play defense only. Playing defense is probably what we should be doing in terms of slowing down our eventual demise but that's no fun, so here's our (last) act of desperation. If they don't get the walss up maybe we do something but the mav stack likely gets creamed.

Since this turn was made the Dutch took a Mav city, most likely Jumbo, the one guarded by the single chariot. They showed up at the worst time; not quite enough hammers or pop into the mace to get it whipped. All trailing units had to scramble to cover the other cities and we'll see how mauch landed. But then this isn't the first time this desperate play towards nabaxia has opened us up elsewhere.

Turn 124, 225ad

Merlot

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So the whip is most likely the walls. That and the fact that they can dump those 5 jungle units into the city means there's no way we can take it. It looks so bad that that if you look at the merlot units, they have no where to go - if they head back to our cities the galleons can get them there first. Attacking would be suicide and promote them, deleting our units off the map is a serious option to consider that only gets beaten out by staying put in the jungle, hoping to pin down as many amazon units to that city as possible. The Mav army probably has to turn and run, if it gets to live that long.

We also have another amazon landing and now CDZ is on the scene

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Mav

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They razed the city and landed at the mouth of the fjord/cove. Our elephant went on to kill the mace.

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I played mav first before merlot so made the move and have now come to a fuller realization. There are no more good options left. even if we turn an run well likely get hunted down (they have engineering we dont). Like I said, deleting the units is a serious option.

Turn 125, 250ad

Merlot

The battle went ok. Overall, I'm very pleased that we got the opportunity. And if they don't shuttle in some fresh reinforcements, maybe this'll end up good. Maybe the mav stack will get to fight next turn. But even if this turn is our high water mark, so be it, we did what we could.

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Our unit v their unit, # v #, %, our result

cat v xbow, 5.0 v 8.7, 8.7%, lose
archer v war el, 3.3 v 8.8, 0.2%, lose
xbow v war el, 7.2 v 7.74, 52.4%, win
xbow v xbow, 6.6 v 6.35, 52.5%, win
xbow v xbow, 6.6 v 5.83, 70.2%, lose
xbow v xbow, 6.6 v 5.46, 73.4%, lose
xbow v xbow, 6.27 v 5.46, 70.6%, win
xbow v xbow, 6.0 v 4.50, 87.4%, lose
mace v xbow, 8.36 v 5.08, 94.8%, win
axe v xbow, 5.5 v 4.20, 82.8%, win
holkan v pike, 4.0 v 4.89, 37.9%, win
holkan v spear, 4.0 v 4.6, 29.7%, lose
axe v archer, 5.0 v 4.50, 63.0%, win

didn't make it to worldbuilder, just thought it over and plans sorta changed once it started going. The cat took the CG xbow way down to like 2.4 and I braved the archer fight which luckily took the elephant to 7.0 and from there I had favorable battles so from there just went down the line. Win some lose some. I took the bad holkan battle to lessen any units that can go at the mav units. I was able to promote the remaining after the turn flip but with them being charismatic some of theirs may get double promoted. But like i said, If they don't reinforce and we get to use the mav units this may get interesting.

Mav

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0694.jpg

So this is what I'm talking about, but the cat sure makes it a target.

And here's what happened to the rest:

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the numbers:

our unit v their unit, # v #, their odds, our result

mace v cat, 10.8 v 5, 5.3%, win
xbow v cat, 7.2 v 5, 23.0%, win
xbow v cat, 6.0 v 5, 27.4%, withdraw
HA v xbow, 5.61 v 6.6, 82.0%, win
HA v xbow, 5.61 v 6.6, 82.0%, lose
xbow v xbow, 6.55 v 6, 32.6%, win
xbow v xbow, 5.74 v 6, 53.0%, lose
xbow v mace, 7.24 v 8.8, 79.0%, lose
War el v mace, 7.02 v 8.8, 80.5%, lose
cat v xbow, 5 v 6, 78.3%, lose
chariot v xbow, 5.71 v 6.6, 79.0%, lose
mace v mace, 7.68 v 8.8, 70.8%, win
xbow v pike, 3.77 v 6.6, 96.1%, lose
mace v spear, 3.07 v 4.4, 90.5%, lose
xbow v spear, 3.15 v 4.4, 85.8%, lose
HA v archer, 2.73 v 3, 70%, lose

Ouch. Other than that Sirius has picked up and is off to somewhere else (they also have amassed like 400-50 EP ratio towards mav so can see our cities here now) and we build hanging gardens, which I valued slightly higher than a golden age.

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Turn 126, 275ad

Merlot & Mav

So as predicted, last turn was the high water mark. It's all downhill from here. stick a fork in us we're done. Here's what happened.

Starting out from the mav side:

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They didn't touch the mav units. But they did reinforce the city. I don't have shots of what we had exactly, everything being wounded and all. I thought I saw some kills I could get in that amazon stack. Some things were coming out real close, like the combat 3 promotion would make this particular match up slightly tolerable when without it it wouldn't be. With all the units busted up I knew I'd never get another chance so in a rush I went for it.

(our unit, theirs, # v #, our odds, our result)
On the mav side, first went

cat v xbow, 5 v 6.37, 42.8%, withdrawal
WE v Pike, 9.6 v 12.4, 23.5%, lose
mace v xbow, 8.8 v 10.10, 24.0%, lose

and then over to Merlot troops,

xbow v xbow, 3.82 v 6, 4.4%, lose
xbow v xbow, 6.33 v 6, 53.4%, lose
xbow v xbow, 5.3 v 4.83, 51.3%, lose
mace v xbow, 6.72 v 5.4, 68.6%, win
axe v xbow, 4.23 v 4.52, 38.7%, lose

and then after that all that was left was a holkan and an axe who were getting horiible odds, so from there it was retreat. In hindsight, I could have done things better, for example, the cat should have been barrage II instead of city raider II, that cost me dearly, and then there was no need to sacrifice the WE on the pike, and then the first Merlot battle, where I tried to soften up the lead defender, I picked a bad unit to do so (it took off no damage by the way). I know the numbers I give mean something but aren't truest description of how the battles go. That first xbow for example, started at 37/100HP and got killed with two 21HP strikes. If it had at least 43/100HP it would have survived the first two ready for a third but as is he didn't have enough to survive that second hit. I'm sure my attacks could have been more meticulously calculated than they were so alas...

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So that's how they were as I left. That macemen, along with the withdrawing cat from mave were deleted.

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0706.jpg

On the mav side:

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The Dutch have landed. But not the most fearsome stack. All I needed to do was promote a mace to shock and he would get winning odds

mace v mace, 8.8 v 8, 68.1%, win

And then they'd be left with 4 units attcking 5; no matter how well all that seige did, they couldn't take the city.

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Turn 127, 300ad

Merlot

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0708.jpg

The retreating units, a holkan + axe, have this trailing. And CDZ has landed.

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0709-1.jpg

Mav

On the Mav side the Dutch troops went back in their ships. But it their place is now a Carthage stack, and where the dutch bring too many seige the carthaginians bring too few. At least it appears our enemies aren't working together to facilitate our destruction, there is still competition amongst our foes as to who earns what.

The sole home island cat is spent on the stack, a few units re-arranged

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0711.jpg

Turn 128, 325ad

Merlot

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The CDZ stack didn't budge. Later I figured out they missed their turn, as they missed a turn before where their Galleons didn't move either, as they were parked NW of Merlot Castle.

On the amazon front 2 War Eles appeared with an archer; the retreat continues.

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Mav

Like the Dutch stack before it they're back in their ships. I'd assume this is all new territory mapped out of the fog, must be exciting.

The Dutch are still on prowl in mav waters.
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Turn 129, 350ad

Merlot

The 4 workers I had on the mainland some turns ago, well, 3 of them were taken when the amazon, WE + xbow stack landed, the fourth one had limited options with all the amazon/cdz units about so all he was able to do was to "scout new lands". I was hoping to at least run him up the coast but he got himself found.

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0725.jpg

CDZ takes their turn, amazon pillages copper, retreat...

For the CDZ battles, our xbow won one before it lost and in hindsight there really was no need to have the holkan there to defend/lose, he shoulda gone exploring

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Mav

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0723.jpg

They like to explore (carthage). The Dutch have a third UU galleon on the scene and the cursor is one the Dutch stack forming on their mainland (the mace).

Turn 130, 375ad

Merlot

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Add these to the mix. Worker went 2S, axe went 1N to jungle hill with Holkan if only to engage their troops. I wonder if any hostilities will erupt between CDZ-Amazon. And Islam got founded in sangre last turn.

Mav

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0738paint.jpg

They found another place to land, we probably lose the city to their numbers. The dutch are amassing.

Turn 131, 400ad

Merlot

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Cursor on the stack to the SW of our city, also 2 beserkers to the NE. Also only 2 beserkers in sangre and 2 xbow 2 WE of amazon next to it, but they seem to be getting along for now.

Mav

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0741.jpg

Quatronia stack moved E to the gems, maybe they want to pillage us into submission. With unit costs driving profit down to only +9 gold @ 0% science this could be a problem. Sirius has 3 galleons in play, nothing landed yet.

Turn 132, 425ad

Merlot

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Unlikely attempt to get our ancient age troops into our city

Mav

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And the dutch land near Injiya. I run away, trebs much too much

Turn 133, 450ad

Merlot

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Mav

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So this is what happened. There was only the one xbow from last turn in the city plus the one more being built. Despite my running away, they bomb the city's culture with a spy. 2 trebs withdrawl, and then 2 maces win vs our 2 xbow. This is their stack in our city. I attack.

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All battles were above 50% odds. Combat II xbows lead then mace and when vercinget. popped I decided, largely because theocracy made 7exp troops somewhat un-appealing, to just attach to a xbow from Iron city to be promoted morale to handle half the pikes and thus clear the way for mounted (WE won luckily from there, unexpectedly). I could have taken the city with the last HA that wasn't used but would lost to them with only HA defending. I fully expect them to drop 4 fresh troops in injiya and attack our attacking stack so troops were transfered from gold city to help defend (but probably not enough).

And also of huge consequence is carthage deny us iron. once it's pillaged next turn all we got is cat/archer, so we'll need to hit Feud fast. (in hindsight, iron was much more important than retaking our city. wups.)

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That's the stack on the mace on their mainland. ouch.

Turn 134, 475ad

Merlot

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They need more catapults they say, we live another day. Note the naval reinforcements by CDZ and the CDZ-Amazon co-operation.

Mav

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0755.jpg

They abandon the city, we take it and revolt back to Police State. Ships are arrayed as to be able to land at Gold City next turn, we are healing 1N of injiya as is Carthage on our iron.

Turn 135, 500ad

Merlot

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0762.jpg

Units piling up all around us. I don't show it but there's alot of them. Catapults are bombing us down.

Mav

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0763.jpg

Q healing on our iron.

Turn 136, 520ad

Merlot

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0772.jpg

Mav

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0764paint.jpg

I'm set up to pummel Carthage next turn. But ever weary of those 3 dutch galleons in range of landing 12 units north of Gold City. Looks like another game-altering turns coming up, can I get rid of this carthage stack and still secure the city or will one cost me the other.

I also have the 4 units in the galleys heading to the island, it's too bad that barb galley pushed me so far south. Maybe this is enough to keep them distracted, but probably not.

Turn 137, 540ad

Merlot

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0773.jpg

Turnpike falls.

Mav

On this side of the world, we attacked

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0775paint.jpg

They moved 1NE from our iron tile, no picture but they were 2 crossbow, one of which at Guerilla II, but nothing else was really promoted aside from maybe one city raider (and much unpromoted as it was taken down). We had 4 cats available all w/ 2 promotions and I knew I really wanted to get our cats to face the maces, using the 10% v melee. First cat went in, no damage to the GII xbow. Second cat, same thing. In hindsight I should have done what I did next first, but oh well. Next went a sacrificial combat I/Cover xbow vs their GII and it did great, losing but taking it down to 1.9 (32/100hp). From there our last two cats died but got to use the 10% v melee and it was simple from there. Overall it went

(our unit v theirs, our # v theirs, our odds, our result)
cat v xbow, 5 v 10.5, 2.3%, lose
cat v xbow, 5 v 10.5, 2.3%, lose
xbow v xbow, 6.6 v 9, 20.9%, lose
cat v mace, 5 v 9.2, 5.6%, lose
cat v mace, 5 v 9.2, 5.6%, lose
xbow v xbow, 7.2 v 5.55, 85.6%, win
xbow v mace, 6.6 v 4.69, 91.6%, win
xbow v mace, 7.2 v 4.86, 92.8%, win
mace v mace, 9.6 v 6.08, 91.4%, win
xbow v mace, 6.6 v 4.05, 97.3%, win
mace v mace, 8.8 v 6.08, 89.1%, win
Vercingetorix v mace, 7.2 v 4.09, 98.2%, win
mace v xbow, 7.21 v 4.32, 90.1%, win
xbow v pike, 6.91 v 3.85, 96.1%, win
mace v mace, 9.5 v 6, 95.8%, win
WE v pike, 10.4 v 7.75, 87.6%, win
HA v mace, 6.6 v 4.64, 94.2% win

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0774.jpg

But what also happened was some naval stuff as well. Last turn we had 2 galleys carrying 4 units guarded by one caravel. There was a dutch Eastindiamen in range of our convoy, but our caravel would take the fight and the galleys could deliver the units the next turn. As for what happened to our galleys after that, well, it was in dutch hands, I had pretty much wrote them off.

Anyway, the dutch take the 96% eastindiamen v caravel fight and win, but they're left at 3.3 strength. Our ships are still next to land and combined with how well things went with Carthage I decide to dump the cargo there on the same coast they started from and use the 2 galleys to take down the eastindiamen. I use the first one for sacrifice and it wins,

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0774.jpg

even to the point where it becomes Navigation I (3 moves). With all the possibilities of where the dutch can place their remaining ships I decide that the best thing that the other galley can do is take on the barb galley at bad odds and it wins. The first galley ended up 1 tile southwest of where it's shown (able to escape to injiya if threatened) and the barb fighting galley (which also became Nav I) went to Copper City

Galley v Eastindiamen, 2 v 3.3, 14.2%, win
Galley v galley, 2 v 2.2, 32.2%, win

Winning stack:

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0777.jpg

Turn 138, 560ad

Merlot

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0778.jpg
Confined to the home island (but with a decent army to guard it - until it gets obsolete).

Amazon has an archer and a settler on the tile where the circus was.

Mav

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0779.jpg

The dutch ships don't budge, our galley makes it safely to Gold City, home island relatively secure, iron getting hooked back up.

Turn 139, 580ad

Merlot

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0780.jpg

Cursor on the library. Feudalism in.
Mav

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0781.jpg

Cursor on beta. Troops shuffled around.

Turn 140, 600ad

Merlot

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0783.jpg

We build units, they control all things not our island

Mav

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0782.jpg

Healing in the cap

Turn 141, 620ad

Merlot

No shot for this turn, but things are much the same.

Great Library built in the Dutch capital (600ad)

Mav

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0784.jpg

More Healing in the cap. Dutch put another fish in the water (now 2 indiamen, 1 caravel), the blockade is secure; no iron/trade out, no horse/trade in.

Turn 142, 640ad

Merlot

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0786.jpg

Nothing new

Mav

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0785.jpg

Cursor back on beta, new fish coming in from the north. Nothing's landing, just a blockade so far.

Turn 143, 660ad

Merlot

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0787.jpg

Cursor on the library. nothing new here

Mav

Startling new developement! Carthage lands at our south, threatening Poison City!

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0788paint.jpg

Unable to whip out a defensible unit (lbow, etc) on time i settle on a spy and shuffle units around in that direction. With all the dutch fish in the water i know i have to keep an eye on Copper City so some of the "7" stack might not go any further. I leave poison pretty well abandoned as most of the units there begin their hike across the river. Here we go again.

Turn 144, 680ad

Merlot

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0795.jpg

Cursor on turnpike

Mav

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0794.jpg

No attack yet, all they do is bombard us down to zero. That just gives us more time to get in position. Cursor on the elephant 4S of Copper city.

Turn 145, 700ad

Merlot

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0796.jpg

Cursor on Castle, guilds in 1.

Mav

A big fight happened. All I have shots of are the results so I'll put that and try to explain it through.

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0797paint.jpg

Most of their army moved to the tile marked "10". They had more units it seemed, in poison and elsewhere, the galleons appeared to have made another trip and because of that I was willing to risk leaving bubble gum exposed. Basically we had 3 stacks and workers to road 2 of them, and with the bubble gum city stack slightly better than the river-hike stack from poison, i used bubble gum. Here's how it went:

(our unit v theirs, our strength v theirs, our odds, our result)

cat v mace, 5 v 8, 15.1%, lose
cat v mace, 5 v 8, 15.1%, lose
cat v mace, 5 v 7.27, 28.4%, lose
cat v mace, 5 v 7.27, 28.4%, lose
WE v pike, 8.8 v 8.65, 51.2%, lose
WE v xbow, 8.8 v 4.68, 96.6%, win
mace v mace, 8 v 6.4, 84.3%, win
WE v mace, 8 v 5.6, 88.8%, loss
HA v mace, 6 v 5.44, 69.0%, lose
HA v pike, 6 v 5.29, 82.3%, win
HA v mace, 6 v 4.16, 89.5%, win
HA v treb, 6 v 4, 90.1%, win
xbow v treb, 7.2 v 4, 97.7%, win
xbow v cat, 7.2 v 4.05, 98.0%, win
xbow v treb, 6 v 4, 92.7%, win
axe v treb, 5 v 4, 75.1% lose

And the aftermath of all this is what's shown above.

And here are the results of them taking poison, earlier in the turn

(our unit defending v theirs, our # v theirs, our odds, our result)

xbow v treb, 4 v 4, 43.2%, withdraw
longbow v treb, 3.56 v 4, 24.6%, withdraw
xbow v mace, 3.3 v 8, 1.5%, lose
longbow v mace, 2.47 v 8, 0.2%, lose

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0805.jpg

Much the same up here,

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0806.jpg

Turn 146, 720ad

Merlot

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0807.jpg

Mav

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0808.jpg

This is a "before" shot, before i made my moves. It looks like everything boarded galleons and then was dropped in the city. I attack again.

(our unit v theirs, our strength v theirs, our odds, our result)

mace v longbow, 8 v 6, 73.6%, win
mace v longbow, 8 v 8.7, 27.0% lose
xbow v mace, 6 v 5.33, 75.1%, win
WE v pike, 8.8 v 12.6, 11.5%, lose
WE v pike, 8.8 v 8.56, 65.2% win
HA v mace, 5.8 v 3.92, 90.1%, win
HA v treb, 4.62 v 3.24, 80.7% win
warrior v mace, 2 v 4.8, 6.7% lose, GG spawned to carthage
spear v mace, 4 v 4.8, 40.2%, lose

For the last two battles, all i had left was the 40% battle and with everything so beat up i was looking to take it. I saw the warrior numbers and didn't like it at all (2 v 4.8) but was hoping to take some damage and make the spear winnable. But alas, the warrior does no damage and i still take the spear battle anyway.

End result below. Hopefully they don't reload the city with units and we get another strike in.

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0812paint.jpg

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0811.jpg

And we got Joan of Arc (last turn, 700ad). Since we're getting run over, i felt that settling it or building a shrine were negative actions from mav point of veiw. So, golden age it is.

Turn 147, 740ad

Merlot

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0818.jpg

Mav

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0816.jpg

No opportunity.

Carthage also pops GA this turn (maybe this means things just got a little more long-term :confused:)

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0817.jpg

Turn 148, 760ad

Merlot

Great prophet born in a distant land

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0819.jpg

Mav

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0820.jpg

Back to waiting for when itc comes, for both saves really

Turn 149, 780ad

Merlot

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0824.jpg

Narak born in distant land, Amazon settle heading NE

Mav

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0822.jpg

Our spy finds the Dutch army stagnant in Altair, a single mace nearby.

Turn 150, 800ad

Merlot

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0825.jpg

Mav

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0826.jpg

Turn 151, 820ad

Merlot

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0828.jpg

Same old, same old.

Mav

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0827.jpg

Spy's heading up towards Amazon despite espionage imbalance

Turn 152, 840ad

Merlot

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0829.jpg
Nothing new.

Mav

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0830.jpg

And the Quatronia galleons show up. Interesting. The home island is built up to where it might be able to handle a combined landing of Q & sirius. Mainland not so much

Turn 153, 860ad

Merlot

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0832.jpg

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0833.jpg

At the time this was taken we had Guilds on everybody. They have Aethetics Drama Literature Music, Philosophy, Divine Rite, Nationalism, Calender, Engineering, Paper and Education on us.

Mav

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0831.jpg

They pillage our fishing boats.

Turn 154, 880ad

Merlot

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0834.jpg

Mav

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0835.jpg
http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0836.jpg

Carthage civics switch on last turn of their GA

Turn 155, 900ad

Merlot

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0840.jpg

Still not much new from our perspective. Yes I haven't looked at the demo soldier numbers with much scrutiny but I doubt the concise unit build-up merlot has undertaken can be easily matched with an amphibious invasion. So we wait...

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0838.jpg

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0839.jpg

Mav

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0837.jpg

And the Q galleons are gone.

Turn 156, 920ad

Merlot

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0841.jpg

Gunpowder in. At this point (this and the last turn i beleive), the others are trading around tech, they got guilds and constitution so now we only have gunpowder on them.

Mav

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0842.jpg

Turn 157, 940ad

Merlot

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0846.jpg

Didn't catch it until now but last turn Amazon steals Gunpowder off us in baths (cursored). That was the turn we got it, pretty good. They and the dutch were logged in together while all this went down and it was traded over to them in a minute. Close cooperation indeed. 2 M whipped.

Mav

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0844.jpg

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0845.jpg

Whipped almost everywhere here

Turn 158, 960ad

Merlot

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0847.jpg

Not much new on this side but...

Mav

They sure are closing in over here:

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0849paint.jpg

We got a Dutch/Amazon 28 unit stack coming in from the NE (we currently have 31 scattered units in this region) but also the troops that were in Beta Centauri are gone (just a single archer now) which are likely in some of the 4 boats by our home island, and then also the Quatronian 4 Galleons have appeared again near poison city. Doesn't look too good at all :(

Even the single archer that was here last turn is gone, likely off in our direction

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0848.jpg

Turn 159, 980ad

Merlot

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0860.jpg

Galleon dropping off fresh spies

Mav

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0856.jpg

Main stack gets one tile closer to spot b (and Q doesn't land, just sails near bubble gum) but sirius also lands the beta centauri troops here (ssw of hadar) of all places. Our catapult's too far behind but looks like a good battle so I take it.

Our unit v theirs, our strength v theirs, our odds, our result

mace v elephant, 9.6 v 8.8, 67.6%, win
xbow v mace, 7.2 v 5.33, 83.5%, win
xbow v mace, 7.2 v 5.33, 83.5%, lose
Musket v mace, 10.8 v 8, 78.9%, win
elephant v mace, 8 v 8, 50.0%, lose
longbow v mace, 7.2 v 4.32, 97.8%, win
spear v treb, 4 v 4, 50.0%, win
longbow v treb, 7.2 v 4, 98.2%, win
chariot v mace, 4 v 1.6, 99.1%, win

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0857.jpg

All the maces of theirs were unpromoted. The other two boats have been pretty adamant to keep up the (very effective) blockade so I am gambling they're empty, thus i'm thinking this was not a "bait" move but just not a strong play.

And then news from the north & overall:

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0858.jpg

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0859.jpg

Turn 160, 1000ad

Merlot

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0861.jpg

They shuffle themselves around but so far it's not really worth noting.

Mav

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0862.jpg

One turn closer, and look where Q decided to land.

Turn 161, 1010ad

Merlot

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0870.jpg

Mav

Spot B taken!
http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0863.jpg

Chariot deleted after checking where they put their front but it looks like they're still a ways back in the city. I suppose that turn was where a backstab might have been orchestrated but alas, it looks like Q is back in their boats and I'm hoping they land in their favorite forest again.

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0864paint.jpg

Turn 162, 1020ad

Merlot

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0871.jpg

Running tech on Engineering (desperately needed on mav side) now. Prolly need mav money to finish

Mav

And they don't fall for it. Land on bubble gum instead

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0872.jpg

We were able to attack with 1 catapult 2 xbows 2 longbows 4 HA and a warrior, but I didn't. I guess I was too scared of those trebs. Although in hindsight, I maybe should have gone in with at least the cat and xbows, maybe even longbows too to lose-but-soften the attack and throw everything in the city and prepare for the worst, but it is what it is, now we likely have a razed city and an army with its window closing in on it. At this point I'm starting to lean towards grouping up in the jungles to stay alive and be a nuisance, but I'd need things to get out of hand for that to happen and the main stack ain't here yet.

Turn 163, 1030ad

Merlot

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0880.jpg

Mav

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0874paint.jpg

So they took the city, landing 4 trebs to attack us with and 2 extra longbow to defend. In hindsight, I should have been across the river to fight those trebs (or anything) but there's that I wish I could have back with how this went. Last turn, as these units involved here are much the same, I was tempted to lead more or less xbows/cr2mace to get through to their mace, and after that it was more or less our mounted vs their pikes, and by then we'd have most of their units pummeled all they'd have is their seige, and if we could win some battles we'd end up with promotable units and they'd be left with seige. And what I had to balance the 2 new longbows was 2 more cats of my own (now 3) and if I were to give them city raider they'd take the longbows enough out of the fight that I could deal with the rest of the stack as I wanted. In hindsight, with how things went down, Barrage is always the way to go and this is the second time i've made this mistake. Looking at it again now it so clear that the number they had, 20, would make 3 cats (4-6 units coll. each) fairly minimal and I'd need all the collateral I could get. But city raider it was and I wasn't lucky enough to make up for it.

us v them, strength v strength, our odds, our result

cat v longbow, 5 v 7.5, 21.1%, withdraw
cat v longbow, 5 v 7.5, 21.1%, lose
cat v musket, 5 v 10.80, 3.3%, lose
musket v musket, 7.74 v 10.80, 12.1%, lose
xbow v longbow, 5.25 v 7.13, 21.5%, lose
xbow v xbow, 5.41 v 6, 43.9%, lose
xbow v mace, 6 v 5.71, 60.0%, win
mace v mace, 6.72 v 5.44, 62.8%, win
musket v musket, 7.74 v 8.06, 47.5%, win
longbow v mace, 7.2 v 7.39, 55.4%, lose
musket v pike, 6.66 v 6.6, 50.7%, lose
longbow v pike, 5.46 v 6, 51.1%, lose
longbow v pike, 4.92 v 6, 21.0%, lose
elephant v pike, 6.68 v 10.10, 9.8%, lose
HA v pike, 6.6 v 6.32, 66.1%, win
elephant v musket, 7.1 v 5.29, 78.3%, lose
HA v mace, 6 v 4.22, 89.2%, win
HA v longbow, 6 v 4.17, 89-90%, win
HA v treb, 6 v 4, 90.1%, win
HA v treb, 6.6 v 4, 96.0%, win

Some of those longbow battles i was looking too closely at just odds and not so much number, (thus relying on first strike); the first consecutive longbow v pike battle took no damage and I had to try it again.

And things as I left them:

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0875paint.jpg

Now, I'm gonna make the asumption that these are/were 5xp units at best (they switched to theo ~dozen turns ago so I'm thinking all that gets promoted is the single units, the crossbow and a pike, and if they don't land anything else (fingers crossed), then all they really got is that seige and maybe we have another good go at it next turn.

Turn 164, 1040ad

Merlot

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0881.jpg

Something horrible happened this turn. They, likely Amazon with their recent obvious spy drop-offs (one went more or less unreported), sabotages the two corns of Castle as well as poisoning the city. For the turn being we just barely held on to pop 12 with just 1:food: left in the back but starting next turn were going to lose population. Our two workers begin repairing.

Mav

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0882.jpg

Over here this is where things stood as I logged in. All they did was attack with one measly treb. It attacked our city raider 3 mace at 13.6 odds and lost, we might have took no damage.

However, what you also may have noticed is the Amazon stack in the picture and another Sirius stack 4 tiles above that. These things are tough (shown in bottom shot) and will probably do us in over here on the maverick mainland. But at least for this turn, I had the opportunity to take on cav scout with the banged up what we got left and I took it. My thinking here is even though it makes things easier for the northern civs, at least I can harm someone. Screw them for siding with them and this is what they get. So the weak get weak and the strong get stronger.

us v them, us.. them, our odds, our result

cat v longbow, 5 v 7.96, 20.0%, withdraw (appropriately promoted city raider 2 this time
xbow v longbow, 7.2 v 5.77, 75.1%, win
musket v musket, 9 v 5.83, 95.4%, win
xbow v xbow, 6 v 4.44, 87.8%, win
musket v pike, 10.8 v 4.17, 99.9%, win
HA v treb, 5.54 v 4, 87.8%, win
HA v treb, 5.61 v 4, 80.6%, win (weaker combat 2 is sure different odds compared to above)
HA v treb, 6.27 v 4, 95.3%, win
xbow v treb, 7.2 v 4, 98.2%, win
mace v longbow, 5.68 v 2.1, 98.9%, win
xbow v treb, 5.47 v 4, 91.0%, win
musket v pike, 5.24 v 1.25, 99.9% win

And we take back bubble gum. And now we have this on our hands:

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0885paint.jpg

Not looking good, but we knew that. Can I say well done to slaze for continuing and seeking advantage whereever he could.

Thanks

Turn 165, 1050ad

Merlot

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0896.jpg

Ouch

Mav

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0891.jpg

Q lands 4 fresh muskets this time. I throw in the 2 wounded city raider II cats for collateral effect and separate us into units to die and units to attack.

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0892paint.jpg

Turn 166, 1060ad

Merlot

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0897.jpg

Looks like next turn we'll get out of it though we may need a whip. I just hope they don't have more of this planned; I've always wanted to do this to someone

Mav

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0911paint.jpg

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0906paint.jpg

The muskets (that i had hoped would attack) went back on their boats, I do remember two Q galleons in the water that appeared as if they were ready to land but i guess it didn't show up in the shot. I basically took what was a tile just outside bubble gum last turn and retreated it; Copper city should fall and thus Cuirassiers could be loose (if not used). 3 new amazon units on the scene (J). My plan is to fall back on Poison city and make the final stand there (HAs in bubble prolly move there next turn). It don't look too good :crazyeye::crazyeye::scan:

Turn 167, 1070ad

Merlot

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0913.jpg

more turns in the red :(

Mav

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0912.jpg

And they take Copper City.

Turn 168, 1080ad

Merlot

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0914.jpg

Dutch build taj. Gardens OK after that poison, 2 more and it's hurtin bad

Mav

Meant to take the shot but don't seem to have it. I'll do my best to explain. We had left little and were in a general retreat towards poison city. How they positioned themselves was as shown below, and thus separated like that I figured that among the 3 options I saw (1 - attacking now, 2 - maybe attacking next turn, and 3 defending two turns out) that with the units assembled and running round and such that the defending option was one of the worst options out there. With little fortify to depend on and no cultural defense their armies would possibly lose only the two catapults, quickly getting most battles in the 90s, etc. And with the Cuirassiers separated I figured my best chance to win anything would be right now so I attacked.

This is what was is the Amazon stack:

3 Xbow - C2Shock, C2Cover, C1Shock
1 Knight C2Pinch
6 WE - 3C2Pinch, C2Shock, C2Formation, C1Pinch
2 Mace - CR3, C1CoverCR1
1 Pike - C2
4 Siege

17 units, 13 core and 4 seige

We had 16 units, 15* and 1 siege

4 Musket - C2, C1Pinch, C1, 0
2 Mace - CR3, C1
1 Longbow - O
4 Xbow - 3 wounded, 5.3C3, 5.5C2, 4.3C2 & CG1
5 HA - some wounded, full C2, 2 full C1, wounded C1-C2s
a warrior which I'll discount and a cat - B2

I look at this and yeah, they got alot up against the muskets but once I get past the knight I got quite a few base 9 troops against the promoted 8s; if I can massage some of those down, I may be able to get some pretty close battles, and that I'll take over losing it all. I throw the cat in and get lucky with where the collateral fell, 2 pinches i believe, and then I make a pretty bad litle blunder, I send in the CG xbow from bubble gum without sending engineering over from merlot, so bam, he's outta moves, but through the other xbows and along the HAs damage was made with each battle and by the time the muskets came around we got some coin flips but just didn't have enough luck

cat v knight, 5 v 12, 2.3%, lose
xbow v knight, 6.55 v 10.44, 8.5%, lose
xbow v knight, 6.86 v 8.64, 24.7%, win
xbow v WE, 5.04 v 9.6, 1.5%, lose
HA v WE, 4.75 v 13.72, 0.1%, withdraw
HA v WE, 4.29 v 13.6, 0.0%, withdraw
HA v WE, 7.2 v 13.6, 1.2%, lose
HA v WE, 6.6 v 13.6, 0.8%, lose
HA v WE, 6.6 v 12.8, 1.0%, withdraw
musket v WE, 10.8 v 10.2, 53.7%, win
musket v WE, 9.9 v 9.97, 49.8%, lose
musket v WE, 9.9 v 9.97, 49.8%, lose
musket v mace, 9 v 8.8, 63.8%, lose
mace v xbow, 8 v 11.7, 8.0% lose
mace v xbow, 8.8 v 9.65, 37.6%, win

In the first picture below all that is shown (what won or withdrew) got deleted. In fact all we have in a longbow and in those last few battles I lost track of the dutch Cuirassiers (bottom picture) so that means they (the dutch, or carthage if they had units in boats) can take both cities next turn, we're effectively done on the mainland, 1090ad

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:) still hanging around. nice work so far, every unit we take down counts

Turn 169, 1090ad

Mav

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Turn 170, 1100ad

Merlot

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0920.jpg

Castle has bottomed out with the poisoning (was ok last turn) but now they're working on Gardens. It also appears they took Replaceable Parts with Lib, so one can only suspect where they're going next

Mav

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Turn 171, 1110ad

Merlot

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Turn 172, 1120ad

Merlot

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0923.jpg

A galleon or two about and frigates now, but galleons bring spies
Mav

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0924.jpg

So we are at peace now but alas a dumb move by me to offer, even in such a roundabout way. I must declare in ten turn to retain war weariness

Turn 173, 1130ad

Merlot

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0926.jpg

Sometimes we catch then, but even then, no


Mav

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0927.jpg

And ours even gets caught

Turn 174, 1140ad

Merlot

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0929.jpg

They hit baths now

Mav

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Turn 175, 1150ad

Merlot

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0930.jpg

Mav

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0931.jpg

Turn 176, 1160ad

Merlot

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0935.jpg

Especially harsh with the spies this turn. They did a civics switch to put us in despotism out of hereditary, and we can't switch back for 5 turns, but then they also did a foment unhappiness mission. We're dropping to pop 1 fast. It starting to make me wonder what the spies that we're catching would be doing.

Mav

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0934.jpg

Turn 177, 1170ad

Merlot

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0936.jpg

No spies but a pretty solid galleon cycle in place (though always in ones so no display of groupings of troops, just likely the cycle of spies. I suppose I need to build spies fast to sit in defense and delete useless warriors to save money. Mav has like 90 something i beleive and running s short profit.

Mav

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0937.jpg

And the sirius troops are gone. They could be in the ships (a pair of galleons to the south and the rest are singles, but those 3-4 galleons could hold a decent amount of rifles/cav.) We'll see, maybe they went elsewhere

Turn 178, 1180ad
Merlot

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0939.jpg

Mav

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0938.jpg

Turn 179, 1190ad

Merlot

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0940.jpg

Got us good this turn, Gardens looks to lose pop though we can switch civics to keep it at pop 5 when we get there. But, ouch

Mav

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0941.jpg

Turn 180, 1200ad

Merlot

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0943.jpg

Mav

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Turn 181, 1210ad

Merlot

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0944.jpg

Mav


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Turn 182, 1220ad

Merlot

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0947.jpg

Mav

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0946.jpg

Turn 183, 1230ad

Mav

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0948.jpg

And would you look at that. 6 galleons out of the blue. I don't like those hills so I evacuate. Maybe they raze it, maybe they get back on their ships. But If we have one go in us with all those cats I'll save it till a better day. I want flatland.

Turn 184, 1240ad

Merlot


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Well they put us back in despotism again so we lose our HR bonus. I believe the two cities no shown are hurting pretty bad. I'll admit, this is my first experience getting pummeled this bad with espionage. I assumed they would have to wait 5 turns to change me like I do but no, they can put me right back. I guess 5 more turns of pop loss,

Mav

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0950paint.jpg

So this is the beginning of the turn. I sorta expected this; I saw in civstats that they took our city and didfn't raze it. I figured there would be a decent chance that I'd want to attack. And if I did, I also knew that I'd be sorta making a choice for Sirius, if us/carthage fight it out it'd be opening the door to sirius, much like what happened on the mainland. But the prospect of carthage/sirius teaming up and joining all on one tile (the sirius boats are in the water - it looks very much like they're ready to make some sort of move) would be too much to bear. So presented with this, I went for it. I knew it would use up a ton of cats (I should have built more, maybe) but there just wasn't the numbers ther to absorb all the cats I could use. Over on the merlot side I've been talking about a 60 units stack needed to absorb our medival army (and yes it's bigger over there) but here is only a paltry 18. So in with the cats, all barrage II. 12 out of 15 used. It started at

5 v 20.30, 0.0% odds (5 times before damage taken to lead defender) ending at
5 v 14, 4.5% odds.

All twelve cats lost of course and then is was:

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0953.jpg

and later:

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0954.jpg

All in all it went

mace v rifle, 8 v5.97, 80.9%, win
mace v rifle, 8 v 6.90, 71.4%, lose
mace v cannon, 6.85, 71.5%, win
musket v cannon, 9.9 v 12, 26.8%, lose & no damage taken :sad:
musket v cannon, 9.9 v 12, 26.8%, lose
mace v rifle, 8.8 v 12.58, 19.3%, lose
mace v rifle, 8.0 v 8.12, 63.0%, win (GG)
mace v rifle, 8.8 v 11.92, 21.5%, lose
mace v rifle, 8.8 v 11.59, 22.7%, lose
mace v rifle, 9.6 v 11.24, 40.5%, lose
mace v rifle, 9.6 v 11.24, 40.5%, lose
xbow v rifle, 6.6 v 11.24, 9.2%, lose

(and here's where the GG muskets come in)

musket v rifle, 10.8 v 10.62, 64.8%, win
musket v rifle, 10.8 v 10.62, 64.8%, win
musket v rifle, 10.8 v 10.62, 64.8%, win (GG)
musket v rifle, 9.9 v 8.39, 72.4%, lose
musket v rifle, 9.9 v 8.06, 85.0%, win
musket v rifle, 9.9 v 7.89, 85.6%, win
musket v rifle, 9.9 v 7.72, 85.2%, win
musket v cannon, 9.9 v 7.68, 85.5%, win
musket v rifle, 9.9 v 9.4, 66.5% lose
xbow v rifle, 7.2 v 6.55, 88.7%, win
longbow v rifle, 7.2 v 6.31, 87.5%, win
longbow v rifle, 7.2 v 4.77, 97.8%, win
xbow v rifle, 7.2 v 4.03, 98.7%, win (GG)
HA v rifle, 6.6 v 3.21, 95.8%, win
HA v rifle, 6.0 v 2.85, 98.9%, win
warrior v rifle, 2.2 v 1.38, 94.3% win

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Here's the end, although I'm missing the shot of the winning (and vulnerable) army on the hill. And to clarify the boat situation, the top 4 are frigates and the other 6 eastindiamen. I doubt they're all full with 24 units (but maybe they are) but I feel like next turn's not going to be good.

The end is near for Mav

Turn 185, 1250ad

Merlot

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0975.jpg
Finally getting our spy defense set. It's too bad they've outspent us so much in EP. I bet their over half way there to the -50% spending multiplier.

Mav

Beginning of turn: So there's your 24 units. And here is the wounded stack on the hill missing from last turn.

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0967paint.jpg

12 cannons, 12 units. I knew we had enough units to last for at least a turn and I contemplated doing something like pulling out all but 12+ units (they had one east india at the shore able to pick up troops for maybe 16 units max) but the onslaught of those cannon would be too much, I wanted to find any reason to attack. And finally, I found enough in musket v cannon battles, it would just be alot to get there (although the reletively low number -5 cav 7 rifle- that pushed me on. And even when we got there the odds wouldn't be great, but maybe we could get lucky. But along the way I lost track of what I was trying to do. I used all muskets and was left with too many 6 v 12 battles. And at that point with all the wounded, it would take like 3 units to do a dent in what they had left so I stopped it. I used too many catapult on Q. Instead it's over. We're stuck on defense, and even then our turns are few.

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Turn 186, 1260ad

Merlot

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0976.jpg

Mav

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0977.jpg

They heal for the most part (and add a few units.) aside from all the cannon (which is still relatively fresh). I doubt they heal next turn.

Turn 187, 1270ad

Merlot

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0987.jpg

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0988.jpg


Mav

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0978.jpg

They take INJIYA and leave it with just a CR II rifle and a drill something cannon. We have one fresh and one 4.2 musket w/ two promotions so that and the rabble strike south. We take it, leaving our Capital, Gold City, undefended. The rest of our battered army has only a hill between us and our inevitable fate.

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0979.jpg

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Turn 188, 1280ad

Merlot

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0989.jpg

It's starting to look like we'll be in strike. We got 40 more gold from mav later but mav's days are numbered at 2. I'll have to revolt to whatever causes the most anarchy (when I'm able to next turn)

Mav

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0991paint.jpg

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0990.jpg

Turn 189, 1290ad

Merlot

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0998.jpg

Mav

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot0997.jpg

2 rifles land near the 6 calvary. We still have culture, but our three units won't stand a chance. In fact, I played the turn last night and this morning it was taken. That's it, Mav is dead.

Turn 190, 1300ad

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1 out of 3 is enough to do it; Baths is where they're trying.

It's too bad we don't have Banking cause then we could do 3 turn anarchy.

Amazon has been drafting 3 units a turn for a good while now, certainly double-digit turns and maybe twice over. It's coming but when

Turn 191, 1310ad

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Whipped musket.

Turn 192, 1320ad

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Dungeon will lose a pop :(

Turn 193, 1330ad

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As much as I like staggering our defenses toward our capital I suppose it's entirely possibly that they're getting close to big enough where they could hit us amphibiously, our capital included. (center attack tile and cap shown in above pic). But don't think I'm gonna start collapsing cities either. I ended up leaving the economy as shown below so technically we're not yet totally in the red.

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot1004.jpg

Turn 194, 1340ad

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So wow, the turn I take vacation something new happens. For whatever reason, they line up 4 galleons all in front and show some (5) land units, familiar names we know well. I can't help but think they're beginning to be up to something. Now, it may not be screened correctly, but there are an abundance of tiles they could hide galleons in, starting with the one below "theodora" to our whole ocean edge. CDZ has done little if anything, still holding 3 galleons pinned against Royal Gardens and slowly building up the library.

But as much as I debated pulling all our units to the Castle (even if only for a turn), it might be nothing.

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot1006paint.jpg

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot1007paint.jpg

So here's everything. And giving an earlier subject some more thought, I don't think'll be too lucky that they'll be attacking amphibiously. Drafted units, which could easily be 48-60+, won't start that high.

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot1014.jpg

Those power numbers seem pretty lopsided. sirius/cdk share an averaged 954500; I'd kick 20000 up for sirius and down for cdz. But if I think back to what sirius had v mav at the end wasn't too much more than we could deal with so if that's 110000 then amazon's 1293000 might still not be enough.

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot1013.jpg

The obvious landing spot is the wine, out of reach of baths as our units are arrayed as shown. We have 22 catapults. At 4-6 units collateral plus attack damage minus siege absorbing collateral, I'm giving us about 100 effective collateral hits. And with cav and rifles at the higher strength, I'd think we'd want to get at least 2 or more collateral hits on each unit, so that would put our beak even point (at least for the single turn) to be about 40 let's say 50 units. I think if they land 60 with like 15 seige, our 50 lesser units won't be able to handle it. If we collapse the 9, 12 and 15 periferal units to the cap, then our 75ish units might handle 60.

btw of the 4 galleons all are familiar except winepress. the others are dora's revenge, nabaxia pride and anoth but winepress is new and coming from the west. Are they that brash to tell us where their going to get us the turn before? Or do they want us to know this and get us elsewhere?

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But for now I've left the turn as shown. I'll admit I'm a little hesitant to empty cities for a guy who's probably around but hasn't spoken up yet.

And the turns no over yet, at least not for another 12 hours. I'll leave it like this for now (and perhaps finally) but I'll check in the morning in case anyone chimes in or if I change my mind. Fktor, if I moved alot towards the capital as sort of a check could you move it back in case nothing happened? Or maybe where just better off like this. I suppose we could just abandon Castle if things looked too unpromising (alot landed). Though I think it's a pretty good guess those cdz galleons on royal gardens are empty (imaging the unit costs to park them there forever like they've done) and that we cas afford to send all but like 2 units out of there (at least for a turn) while we shore up the capital's side of things.

Thoughts?

Turn 195, 1350AD

No attack yet. Amazon brings 3 more galleons to the scene, coming from the north, as well as show us a few more units. CDZ moves their library galleon 1NE - for no better reason other that to join the display, I guess.
I've rearranged tiles a bit to allow Castle and Gardens to grow faster - should be enough to stabilize the economy. Didn't whip anything.
http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/9025/civ4screenshot0002py.jpg

Turn 196, 1360AD
Boring turn. Did absolutely nothing - I don't want to whip before the economy recovers.

Amazons show us some more units, and it is somewhat possible that they are loading an invasion force in full sight. The Vikings move their galleon back, otherwise do nothing.


http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/512/civ4screenshot0003s.jpg

Turn 197, 1370ad

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot1015.jpg

So no, they're still not yet here. A handful of units moved out of Gardens to our center-of-island square.

On their side we see the galleons (on tile had 3), some of which still running spy duties. 12 and 3 land units shown.

Turn 198, 1380ad

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot1016.jpg

Interesting developement: Sirius has now declared on Quatronia.


http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot1017.jpg

I asked for any sort of peace in the hopes that they (which i believe has become "he" as in cav scout) might be willing to share in those tech.

I am also contemplating sending a letter, cced to all teams but Sirius, asking if they would be willing to, more or less, break from the past, cooperate and challenge sirius. I'd imagine by then it'd be infantry, likely more.

But maybe it is too ambitious to include all? I suppose i should log in to check if cav scout accepted (he logged in since) and take it from there.

Turn 199, 1390ad

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Turns like these and the whole thing changes. First of all, cav scout didn't accept, so we're some tech (= some turns) away from rifles, and after all, we're not very capable from our position now anyway. We we're able to revolt 3 civics for 2 turns anarchy but strike is near.

They are a tech from infantry; muskets and cats mere xp :(

Afraid they'll be no new world order; amazon's after us

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot1020.jpg

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot1021.jpg

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3 More cities than shown and 3 galleons came through the wheel this round; could that mean those numerous cities are putting 7+ spies through for this spoke?, i suppose it's possible.

and they have Railroad and almost Assembly Line, muskets and cats aren't looking too good. Just a few MG would negate the attack damage component of our catapults' 100 effective collateral hits I'd put closer to 80. 4 Machine guns w/ 36 units is closer to the break even point of what we can handle.

Turn 200, 1400ad

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Back in despo

Turn 201, 1410ad

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http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm33/slaze_bucket/Civ4ScreenShot1025.jpg

Are the galleons on the move?

We finally get a glimpse of their graphs. At first glance I feel they still need more turns

Turn 202, 1420ad

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We get to revolt to something else which is nice

Galleons are creeping up the coast though still within borders to save money so likely a bluff. I shuffle 5 troops from dungeon (leaving only four) to baths (cursored)

Turn 203, 1430ad

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They take out 2 farms and throw castle into revolt. We dip into the red financially. Next turn we get a grace period but the turn after is unit reducing strike.

Although, so long as the spy situation eases up, we may gain enough happiness to make positive :fingers crossed:

Turn 204, 1440ad


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So here it is, AMAZON lands!!!

Above is what they landed, 4 MGs with 7 cannon and 16 rifles, and the last three shots are castle, center tile and baths. Below are the event results and as you can see, it went horribly. My thinking here is that the units with the best odds were the maces (mgs have the 50% vs our muskets) and so i wanted to take those down a bit before the catapults came in cause I wanted the attack damage from the catapults to count for something. But the maces hardly did anything to the MGs. The numbers were 8.8 v 22 or 18, but with the first strikes they hardly did anything. The first five did no damage and the few that did i think always were only one shot. In hindsight, the way to go was to maybe go in with the catapults first and hope for some damage or just try some muskets first or maybe even just don't try it on hills. In the 40+ battles, the best odds were like 27% and maybe only 5 were 11% or greater. Alot of odds were way under 1% against drill II/III MGs. After enough of it I stopped and gave up. Before I said we could handle 36 units w/ 4 MGs. 27 total units with 4 MGs did us in. The last shot shows what they had left when I ended. The cats even did all the collateral they could.

During the 300 years of the Diaspora, the slave trade, Europe killed 30-35 million Africans.
In 30 years of Imperialism, they killed 100 million with the machine gun.

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Turn 205, 1450ad

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They shuttle in some new troops, keep some, ship others and move a tile closer.

Turn 206, 1460ad
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They a turn closer. We whip three things. Scorched earth would delete most everything cause we gonna get slaughtered but no, we don't. Last 5 cats sent in to slow them (hopefully). Still those handful of units in dungeon, gardens immobile, but despite considration to try and take out the trailing mg, don't think we have any pounce in us. Just those last few turns...

Turn 207, 1470ad

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Merlot Castle taken, end very near...

turn 208, 1480ad

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They take baths, but for the most part this was a stay put and heal turn for them

Turn 209, 1490ad

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I attempt to retake castle (only a MG, 3 rifles, a wounded cannon and alot of boats) but get nowhere, so I stop. Those drill 4 MGs are tough. 2 turns more and we're out of here.

Turn 210, 1500ad

Well, this should be it. 2 out of 3 happiness missions undertaken in our fallen cities and the last of the gold sent to cav scout. game over. Merlot has fallen

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