Apr 29, 2010, 09:30 PM
Im playing for a diplomatic victory on Monarch level. Having secured UN leadership the deciding Civ is currently +14 to me, and +12 to my rival. This Civ doesn't vote for me, or abstain, he votes for my rival. Previously I had relied on the notion that +11 or superiority over rival was good enough, but not here. What gives? Can someone explain the rules for +11 diplomacy. Thanks.
Apr 29, 2010, 09:45 PM
Were they close in base attitude? Civs have a natural preference for civs that share their peaceweight. Warmongers like warmongers, etc.
So if the deciding Civ was someone like Shaka, and the other opponent was Montezuma or Toku, there is a hidden diplomatic modifier, meaning that +12 was more than +12. It's irritating, man, sorry.
May 01, 2010, 04:35 AM
Yeah, it's the hidden modifiers at work here. +14 wasn't really +14 and +12 wasn't really +12. By the way, the threshold for someone to vote for you is +8 and not +10, so that threshold for the number you SEE is usually +9 and not +11 (after you apply the most common hidden modifier, AI-human peaceweight, which always gives -1 on Noble and above). But this is just one of the many hidden modifiers. Biggest factors are the AI-AI peaceweight and warmonger respect bonuses, and the rank difference between the Civs, which may or may not be a big factor depending on the Civ.
May 01, 2010, 04:46 AM
There's a mod component dealing with that by making the hidden modifiers visible:
It is already part of many popular mods.