That didn't answer Bad Player's question at all, Earthling. Why are you so anti-Jabba?

Wouldn't want my vote to go to waste. Niklas.

That didn't answer Bad Player's question at all, Earthling. Why are you so anti-Jabba?

I don't even know what you are thinking? Are you another person who hasn't seen the movies? - it's ok I guess, I'm not going to be upset with somebody for that, but this is pretty straightforward in that regard. No, I don't know Jabba's actual role info, what he posted could be true or false, but it would be surprising if his backstory/goals/whatever don't involve killing me. Then, again, we have the actual attacks on me and Renata by a bounty hunter and a Sith...

Of course I have. From what I remember, Han Solo was in debt to Jabba and Jabba sent bounty hunters after him to get the money back. As I recall however, Han did try to cheat Jabba several times as well, so it was somewhat six of one and half a dozen of another.

Do you owe money to Niklas in the game? If not, why would he be interested in killing you?

My best guess is that it's his "personal goal" part of victory, but anyway he could have just tried to kill me assuming I'd be dangerous to him too. Still working on how he figured out what, and since when. Plainly, he's not a Rebel or an Innocent, and I do remember what he's clearly said and I'm sure we all expect about him working with Mafia. In short - vote for ICBM if you want or whatever, but why you would play Devil's Advocate for Jabba I don't know. We will probably all see later in this day what he has to say.

After further consideration, I'm inclined to believe Earthling is correct, SS-IBM guy Niklas.

Niklas, I've got some salted popcorn with your name on. Want to share it for the final cut preview?

YOu got me too boy. Much always have, but now its seems that my vote will have something to say. Niklas

So, let's ignore the guy who can avoid a vigilante Jedi killing and bundle on Jabba because he was honest enough to role-reveal? That's certainly going to help Earthling in his demands for everyone to role-reveal simply because he wants them to.

Arakhor, why are you trying to shield Niklas?

It wouldn't surprise me if certain players had a chance to avoid a kill attempt. That has happened some times in the past.

OK so the only evidence against Niklas is that in the movies he was anti-Han Solo. Therefore there is a possibility, not a probability, that Niklas put a bounty on Earthling for personal goal reasons.

Reasons to lynch Niklas:
- He's not innocent
- No other leads except ICBM
- He might help mafia in some way behind the scenes

Reasons not to lynch Niklas:
- Niklas can do auctions of items (noone else has said they can/will) and therefore is probably useful
- Niklas is (almost certainly) not mafia
- Niklas may be able to help the innocents behind the scenes

On balance, at this stage I'd like to pressure ICBM into explaining what/who the heck he is and why Mace Windu wants to kill him! Someone must have had evidence against him (I'm out of the loop).

Reasons not to lynch Niklas:
- Niklas can do auctions of items (noone else has said they can/will) and therefore is probably useful
- Niklas is (almost certainly) not mafia
- Niklas may be able to help the innocents behind the scenes

We need to auction items? Niklas has said that we should give him everything, which he will then auction. That gives him the ability to know every single item that gets auctioned, so he can tell the Mafia which ones they need/could do with.

Don't see any proof that Niklas isn't Mafia, or that he is innocent. I remember M-NOTW2, where Renata was a wolf, but gave a brilliant character explanation of King Pin, that kept her alive, and Niklas is certainly capable of bringing the same level of credibility to any lies he makes.

On the whole, those first 2 points you make aren't all that strong, but it wouldn't surprise me if there was another item trader out there. Watto, perhaps.

Watto is also not very nice. Is there even a decent trader in the Star Wars universe?

Did we clear up whether Lord OST was actually a bounty hunter or not?

Maybe Winston's been busy or whatever but he is usually much more active IIRC.

Eh? I've posted no more or less than usual, and the only reason I hadn't posted since the morning report is that I was asleep then at work.

he was working with Niklas/Jabba, had chatted with Niklas and Renata early in the game

Working with Niklas? Did Renata not tell you that I spent quite a while arguing that we should announce Niklas' identity in public? Or that I only backed down because it became clear that he was intending to do so himself?

tried to find out "for sure" if I was Han Solo last night

I guessed that you were Han Solo, because you managed to drop so many hints. I mean, who else would start the game with a bounty on their head, and then be absolutely convinced that Jabba was to blame for it?

is probably one of the few people here who would kill Renata even after she was taking a break from the game.

What on earth is that supposed to mean?

I'm one of the few people who wouldn't metagame kill Renata. Firstly, because I know exactly how it feels to get murdered in the first few nights of every single game. And secondly, because I like having her around to talk to, even when we're not on the same side. Being as I was still hopeful that she would come back to the game, there's absolutely no way I would have murdered her last night.

Recall that the Money VC definition was in the OP when the game started, so Niklas's reveal of his having the Money VC doesn't mean his statement has been verified. For all we know, Niklas read the rules, saw the Money VC, and added it to his reveal. For those who haven't seen it in the rules yet, here is the definition of the Money VC as stated in the OP:

Money: Have the most credits when either an Innocent or Evil victory condition is met.

It's a bit on the worrisome side for me. If he does have the VC, then he doesn't care who wins, so long as he has the most money when someone does. As a mafia member, its in they're best interest to work with Niklas. So long as they can continue to pay him off, he can continue to help them out.

Note also that with a character like Jabba the Hut, it was in Niklas's best interest to role-reveal. Consider all the pros of doing so:
Gain contact with other like minded individuals, as an example: bounty hunters
Not worried about the mafia, as they would see the advantage of working with Niklas
Can persuade innocents with items or other needs to want to keep Niklas around for personal benefits


In fact, I fully agree with the thought of role-revealing with that character. For those who didn't know, Niklas was already revealing to other players behind the scenes, so basically Earthling really didn't force Niklas to reveal, since he was already doing it anyway. I know of at least three players (not counting Earthling) who knew who Niklas was before the public reveal. Sounds to me like Niklas had no desire to hide who he was.

Also note that Niklas hasn't revealed what faction he's in and when I've asked him privately, he refused.

I've also been informed that Niklas and another were seeking out possible bounty hunters before Earthling's reveal of the bounty upon him. I will admit, I was told this and I can't be positive as to the accuracy of it, but I thought I'd share it anyway.

I couldn't care less about Niklas, Krill. I'm just trying to work out why Niklas is suddenly a more tempting target than a man who can survive an assault by no less than Mace Windu.

I couldn't care less about Niklas, Krill. I'm just trying to work out why Niklas is suddenly a more tempting target than a man who can survive an assault by no less than Mace Windu.

In my opinion, Niklas is much more dangerous of a player then SS-IBM, hence my vote on Niklas. Also, there's also the slight chance that SS-IBM may be an important pro-town character. I tend to think not, but I'm hesitant to ignore the possibility just yet. I'd rather we kept him around for a day so that one of our scanners can investigate him. Surely we have at least one investigator out of forty.

Gonna add to Winston's pressure of Lord OST in the meantime as I don't know if I should vote ICBM, and I am reluctant to lynch Niklas untill we know his full intentions.

(In other words, this is an abstain)

Lord OST is not a bounty hunter. Winston, I will talk to you later. About this.

Lord OST is not a bounty hunter.

Okay, then. Lord Ost

I will talk to you later. About this.

That's an odd way of phrasing it. Is there some kind of subtext here?

Lord OST as well. =\

I'm gone for 18 hours and I miss 80 posts?!?! Hm... after reading It think SS-18 ICBM

So I am gonna watch all the Star Wars films now...

In which order do you think I should watch them in? Should I watch "A New Hope, Empire Strikes Back, Return of the Jedi" trilogy first or should I watch them after the Prequels?

Go is sequential order, 1-6.

This is a mess... sorry for not spamming as usual, but on top of next week's exam I've been formally notified of some in-univ hearing/trial thingy a week after the exam. Apparently I'm a witness but I don't even know what it's all about.

EDIT: I¡m not sure whether I've voted for SS-18 ICBM already or not.

Niklas. Period. He has to go. Just trust Earthling.

Someone feel free to PM me about why we should trust Earthling. I spent the LotR game listening to Earthling's wild speculations and as I was Galadriel, I knew he was wrong half the time.

@thelastone: By all means watch the old ones first, the new ones are crap!

If you want to know what´s wrong with the new movies watch this, warning it´s a bit longer...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxKtZmQgxrI

Gonna add to Winston's pressure of Lord OST in the meantime as I don't know if I should vote ICBM, and I am reluctant to lynch Niklas untill we know his full intentions.

(In other words, this is an abstain)

Lord OST

:confused:

You abstaining or not?

Also, OwenGlyndwr and Romanichine have agreed to replace sepuku and DrumStudent.

I am now officially abstaining.

Niklas. Period. He has to go. Just trust Earthling.
Does this mean that you two are officially together or something?
I might have missed something over the last few dozen posts.

Hey everyone,

I am replacing DrumStudent and for now I am abstaining.

Please don't see any hidden meaning in this action, as I am currently reading the rules and going through the thread to see what previously happened. I will consider my actions when I'm done with all that, but for now I just wanted to say hello.

Sup y'all, I'm in this game now.

Abstain, again. I promise this is the last time, but I've been out of the loop.

Though I have MSN and AIM listed in my contact info, I won't be on them for... awhile. The computer that has them is broken.

Midday 2


SS-18 ICBM's escape from death aroused suspicion from the villagers, and many voted for him to be sent to the guillotine. However, Earthling convinced some to vote for Niklas, and way too many people just sat in the corner of the cantina without saying anything.


Tally

SS-18 ICBM: 11 (RRRaskolnikov, taillesskangaru, Seon, civplayah, remake20, Capt Blackadder, Double A, Khazaar, Takhisis, link16, wideyedwanderer)
Niklas: 7 (landlubber, Earthling, Lord OST, Methos, johnhugthom, Krill, SS-18 ICBM)
Abstain: 6 (Love, TheForestAuro, CivGeneral, TheLastOne36, Romanichine, Shadowbound)
Earthling: 1 (Arakhor)


Not Voting (SHAME ON YOU! :mad:): 13 (Nictel, Bad Player, Kennigit, Autolycus, Secura, OwenGlyndwr, PaulusIII, Winston Hughes, classical_hero, j65536d, pevergreen, Niklas, Stuck in Pi)



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Earthling, I expect an apology after the game. Or rather, I don't expect one, seeing how it's you. But you're so totally wrong, with absolutely no justification for it, that it's not even amusing.

You build a very nice strawman of me for people to vote for. Be sure to mention Jabba and mafia together in enough sentences and people will start believing it. Preferably with some assertive "I'm sure we all" or similar thrown in:

Well, everybody has time, cause I hope I agree with most folks that any Sith are top priorities to get rid of, and then Jabba, and other Mafia too, so I'm not even after neutral or other roles.
Plainly, he's not a Rebel or an Innocent, and I do remember what he's clearly said and I'm sure we all expect about him working with Mafia.
These are simply lies and strawman arguments. I have no reason, nor intention, to work with the mafia in any capacity.

Second, he would have you believe it's a done deal that I put a bounty on him. I did no such thing.
As far as my explanation goes, it's rather simpler: Niklas found out too much about me or something somehow, and if you'll notice in the writeups, last night he probably sent/asked/paid Boba Fett to kill me.
Classic propaganda hand-waving argumentation. Point to something obvious (the writeup showing Boba Fett attacking Earthling), and from that magically deduce the thing you want to prove (it was actually Niklas who sent him). But that's not in the writeup, and likely wouldn't have been in the writeup even if it had been true! Earthling is talking loud and making big gestures to hide the fact that he doesn't really have a case.

Also notice the fallacy of the argumentation. Yesterday it was "there's a bounty on me". Now it's "Niklas sent/asked/paid Boba Fett to kill me". It seems rather obvious that there truly was a bounty on Earthling, and that Boba Fett intended to cash in on that. Hence the attack hardly comes as a surprise, yet Earthling tries to use the sole fact that there was an attack, as proof that Niklas was behind it. Wut?

You've seen the movies I hope - Jabba almost certainly wants me dead, and really I probably think he is more likely to work with the Mafia against other Innocents in general, even if doesn't have personal grudges against them.
Another strawman. That's what Earthling has gotten into your head, but that doesn't make it true. This is in fact the entirety of the argument Earthling has. Since Jabba wanted Han Solo dead in the movie, it must have been him that placed the bounty! Um, no. The Jabba that is my character is a neutral, money-loving cheerful ol' slug, who couldn't care less about the life and death of a certain Han Solo.

Look, Bad Player, happy to talk to you in private too, but a couple things I can say more obviously, I can't reveal quite everything about who was talking to whom or what behind the scenes.
Have you noticed how I've asked Earthling time and time again to put his cards on the table? Lies fester in the private, because there's no one there that can refute them. Here's the whole truth of the matter:
I told a select few people about my role, and the fact that I considered going public with it.
One of those people I told were Renata, whom we now know was a buddy with Earthling.
Renata tells Earthling I am Jabba, and Earthling goes baloney.
What part of the above is it that you "can't reveal quite everything about"?

At no time did anyone ever mention Earthling to me, and the first indication I had that Earthling was even in the game was the post in which he decided to reveal my character.

My best guess is that it's his "personal goal" part of victory, but anyway he could have just tried to kill me assuming I'd be dangerous to him too. Still working on how he figured out what, and since when.
How about getting it in your head that I didn't know? In fact, couldn't know. I had no idea you were Han Solo until the writeup, even though a few people did suggest it to me, after the fact, as a possible explanation for your "allergic" reaction to "Jabba".


Can't say for sure but Winston could very easily be either Darth Maul or another bounty hunter, he was working with Niklas/Jabba, had chatted with Niklas and Renata early in the game, tried to find out "for sure" if I was Han Solo last night, ...
Yes, Winston was one of those who suggested the possibility that you might be Han Solo, based on your strange reaction. Yes he could easily be Darth Maul, but he could just as easily be Mas Amedda or Obi-Wan Kenobi for all we know. There's that strawman reasoning again: mention someone in as negative contexts as possible enough times and people will start believing it. That doesn't make it true. Note that I have no idea whatsoever who or what Winston is playing, I just see you making the same idiotic arguments as you do about me.

... and is probably one of the few people here who would kill Renata even after she was taking a break from the game.
That's incredibly low. Shame on you.

Though if that last bit was another Mafia call, it was just an evil move, yet still I think someone killing Renata without inside info is suspicious. (the flip side of that - a lot of people probably did have inside info however, certainly Jabba or someone else could have spread it around.
Here we go again, Jabba did this, Jabba did that. I couldn't spread something around that I didn't know, nor would I have any reason to. You're painting a picture of me, very deliberately I'm sure, but that doesn't make it true.

So yes, I am concerned, as I am concerned with some others in this whole situation.
This just made me laugh. This is your typical "Concerned parents against roleplaying games" (or whatever your fancy) argument. Yes yes, we are all very concerned. Of course we are, that's the point of the game!!!

I'll try to resolve things in private too as is already perhaps progressing but I still am not opposed to certain people who might owe public explanations, doing so.
Read: I don't have enough substance to anything I say that would survive a public scrutiny. Others should reveal what they know, but my own arguments are best spread around in private.

On another note, it seems really likely to me that lynching ICBM will fail.
Oh come on, don't you think people see through that? You're acting concerned, when the only thing you really want is to make people think twice about lynching someone other than me.

I do say the only clear candidates are still Niklas and ICBM, and I'm not going to be distracted by people who I can't be sure are guilty, some things must still be worked out in due time. I'm not going to ask you to target people on uncertainties and if you all choose ICBM that's still fine I guess- Vote remains on Niklas here.
Let's revisit the arguments for voting me dead:
I am Jabba the Hutt. "Clearly" this implies I put a bounty on Han Solo. "Clearly" that in turn implies I am scum. "Clearly" I would love to work with the mafia if given the chance, even though there's nothing to gain for me.
I am Niklas. "Clearly" this implies I must be lying, because hey, that's what I do. "Clearly" that in turn implies that I'm mafia, because hey, Niklas is always mafia, right?
And that's really all there is to it. And none of it is true. Here's the truth:
I have been given a neutral character, and I will enjoy playing him as neutral. I have no reason to lie, and so I won't.
I did not order any bounty on Earthling.
I have had no contacts whatsoever with either Sith, other mafia (e.g. Empire), or any bounty hunters.
I am the auctions here. A vote on me is basically a vote to shut down the auctions. You may do that, but it doesn't really serve a purpose.

vote: Earthling. Yeah, I know he's a confirmed innocent, what do I care? I just run the auctions here, and he's doing a very bad job at rallying the innocent cause. I think he ought to be killed, to stop his wild paranoia and conspiracy theories, if the innocents are to have any chance at victory.

In my opinion, Niklas is much more dangerous of a player then SS-IBM, hence my vote on Niklas.
Methos, I'm disappointed in you. You in particular should know better than to vote someone on the sole basis that it's a high-profile player. :shake:

Earthling, you're doing a great job of enabling the actual mafia of hiding. While you talk about Niklas and rant and rage about how he's big bad Jabba and he wants to have the mafia win, the mafia can just sit in the back and blend in. Say little occasionally, make a vote here and there, and fly completely under the radar. So ultimately you're hurting the innocent cause by wasting precious days and voting histories with your little feud you have.

Let's go for SS-18 ICBM.

Stuck in Pi: Aren't we voting for a potential baddy right now anyway? Although, you have to admit, keeping around Jabba certainly wouldn't be a good thing for the town. Unless I get multiple cop scans, I think at the very least we should keep a few votes on him.

This:

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/explosion.jpg

In all seriousness, cool game. I totally should have been Jabba the Hutt though. :)

/watching from the sidelines

Pizza, this is Star Wars, not Spaceballs. :rolleyes:

These are simply lies and strawman arguments. I have no reason, nor intention, to work with the mafia in any capacity.

Another strawman. That's what Earthling has gotten into your head, but that doesn't make it true. This is in fact the entirety of the argument Earthling has. Since Jabba wanted Han Solo dead in the movie, it must have been him that placed the bounty! Um, no. The Jabba that is my character is a neutral, money-loving cheerful ol' slug, who couldn't care less about the life and death of a certain Han Solo.

Assuming the Sith and Empire aren't bankrupt, I think that's all the reason you need.

Methos, I'm disappointed in you. You in particular should know better than to vote someone on the sole basis that it's a high-profile player. :shake:

Nice redirect. Attack the metagaming statement in such a way to remove my main arguments. Or is this your way of stating that you see the logic in my words and would believe the same if in my shoes?

Niklas makes an excellent point in his defence against Earthling's accusation that Niklas put a bounty on Earthling because Earthling is Han Solo (presumably).

Niklas didn't know that Earthling was Han Solo (presumably) until Boba Fett attacked Earthling on night 1 (after the bounty had been made!).

I remember LotR and *that* feud with Earthling which really did distract the innocent cause - I was innocent (Madril) and I kept having to defend myself against poor arguments. The mafia just hid behind it all.

Sure, discuss the reasons why Niklas should be lynched but don't make it the whole day's work because at the end of the day, he's not actually mafia (presumably).

I would have to agree that Niklas may help the mafia if they come to him with offers of money. Having said that, I believe that he would also help the innocents if they offered him money.


I tend to believe Niklas that the mafia haven't approached him because there's always the risk that he might reveal them, being under pressure at the moment.

Are we seeing a voting split between the innocents and the mafia here? :)

So your only defence is that voting for you=Mafia???

All right, responding to several things in general here, if people ask I quote something specific I will but I think it can be picked up pretty straightforward.

First, I’m not going to deal with a dozen obfuscating things from Niklas. I intend to work with “full transparency” as he already hasn’t. An example – last night he said somebody came to him offering to “sell protective services.” Niklas certainly hasn’t told me who this was, though I think if somebody was Innocent and wanted to protect me they would have contacted me by now…I again suspect another plot to just take my money before I die or something. But the short answer is – I am simply trying to present what I can understand in a reasonable and logical matter. Niklas is Jabba the Hut; I am Han Solo, and my ally Renata/Chewbacca and I were both attacked last night, and there is still a bounty on my head I imagine. Somebody has to be these characters/Mafia behind this, it's simply how the game works.

But nobody can "win" circular word games and they are not worth trying. If I were to say “Niklas put a bounty on me” he’d probably be all “Ooh, how can you prove that.” I obviously admit I have no abilities to reveal people’s role PMs or whatever; in fact, I don’t have any major abilities except having been a mason, but people should know in a game like this playing word games like that is silly. On the other hand when I say “Jabba probably is working with Boba Fett” Niklas again could just be “Oh, probably, what does that mean you don’t know.” That’s not going anywhere.

So here’s what I can ask – anyone who really wants to get as best an idea as they can, should simply read the thread. Reading three or five pages of relevant material from just a short while ago (the first few pages are mostly opening stuff/spam I guess) is not that hard. And it really does wonders, it’s true in every single game I’ve seen, how much you can find out, just for 10 minutes of actually reading what people say. I know many of you are, and those who aren't, it's all I'm asking.

You can see what I said, what Niklas said, what Renata said, what Methos said, and what others said too for that matter. In fact, you can notice how, like I did, it is very strange how Arakhor and Lord OST have been posting, and still I have no good explanation now. Arakhor denies a bounty within a short time of my asking about it; OST votes for Arakhor just shortly after that, for no reason, when I certainly did not know Lord OST or had contact with him. Then you can all continue reading and draw your own conclusions.

For that matter, I would like to directly ask Arakhor his explanation though. If he thinks there is a better explanation to what is going on, given that Niklas is Jabba, I am Han, etc… then maybe he should share it? I could see something else being slightly possible – not that that would really clear Jabba necessarily, but yes, there are other Mafia out there who could even have done something like frame Jabba. But Arakhor, the question is, what do you know about that - you're not Grand Moff Tarkin or Darth Vader or someone else behind killing/trying to kill people or are you? What is your better explanation, I would not certainly not mind hearing it?

Lastly, again just for the record, I do want to say I am really concerned about ICBM. Though firstly I would like to say – anyone who is not voting for Niklas or ICBM better have an awfully good reason. You will NOT “win favor” with me or anyone else trying to vote for OST or someone whose identity is not close to verified and is not as much as a threat. Cases have been presented for why Niklas and ICBM are threats – I am very worried about the danger Niklas is to me personally, I am also worried that ICBM wants to be lynched and has some ability that’s going to backfire. But there are valid reasons for voting; purposefully avoiding a vote because you know the lynch is going to go wrong or something is suspicious. The two players who just joined I understand, everyone else, should be encouraged to vote.

And if you want something for fairness Niklas – I was already approached by someone who even suggested I should get a group of people to “change their votes at the end of the day” to lynch you. I’m not doing this because it is bad form, and I have nothing to hide, people should vote how they feel best. If you live today you should seriously consider what you doing and who you are working with, working against the Innocents will make enemies of all of us.

It would be nice SS-ICBM if you explained yourself. So far you're actions are very scummy and your attitude towards our accusations isn't helping you.

So your only defence is that voting for you=Mafia???

Nah, the ones voting for Earthling. But thanks for the concern. :)

So you have no defense....

Eh, you guys seem hell-bent on denying me my fun. So why decrease it further by engaging in a pointless endeavour? :)

Nah, the ones voting for Earthling. But thanks for the concern. :)
So then, voting for you is not Mafia... what the blazes are you driving at?

These being meaningless word games, I can safely say that I am neither Darth Vader nor Grand Moff Tarkin and that I don't know who laid any of these bounties either. I did not deny said bounty, just wonder what proof you had, and I have talked to precisely no one so far. *shrug*

I didn't imply that. Maybe Mafia want me dead too.

So, what exactly is making SS-18 a prime suspect? The only thing I've seen is this part of the writeup.

Determined to set some justice in the world, Mace Windu set out in search of SS-18 ICBM. Mace looked far and wide, but he couldn't find SS-18 anywhere. He was just... gone. Disappointed, Mace trudged back to his home to get some sleep. SS-18 ICBM was safe!

So explain this to me because I am new and I don't understand it very well. A player (Mace Windu) tried to kill(??) SS-18 during the night, but SS-18 was able to evade it.

Would we see the same thing in the writeup if SS-18 was evil, neutral or good?

So far from what I understand, he could be evil as much as good. I'm not trying to protect him, I just don't understand.

I'd advise reading the thread, I don't want to unnecessarily take his posts out of context. Maybe somewhere in posts 100-200 though for a start you'll see that in his posts, on any topic and talking to anyone, he just goes on about wanting "blood, death and destruction" or so on. He's acting evil on purpose, which I know is something we all want to learn about, but I've said my piece.

What characters in the star wars universe would be able to avoid mace windu? Can't be that many.

Any powerful Sith... there's Darth Maul mentioned as mafia-killing someone. In the story, he had an invisible spaceship :confused:

Ok, but my question stands. Could he be Luke Skywalker? Would the write-up look the same if he was a good-aligned character able to evade Mace Windu?

Any powerful Sith... there's Darth Maul mentioned as mafia-killing someone. In the story, he had an invisible spaceship :confused:

But I meant, anyone that we don't want dead.

Some neutral(oid) character? Someone in hiding? Princess Leia? :dunno: We'll know by the end of the day... if he's lynched.

I think SS-18 ICBM would have shown up the same way regardless of his alignment. I'm also a little curious who Love is to be strong enough to knock off General Grievous with ease. There is a possibility that somehow trying to lynch SS-18 will backfire, but I'm not seeing why the situation will improve given time.

He can be Jason who could hide his presence from the other Jedis :shrug:

Vote: ICBM

ICBM is clearly evil, or has a death wish.

As for Niklas, the points you bring up, Earthling, are certainly valid, but I'd rather knock off a suspected mafia than a confirmed neutral.

Also, how do I get in on the MSN love?

No. A good hutt is a dead hutt. Niklas

I'm going with SS-18 ICBM for this round.

Pulling a spartan, basically.

The vote on Arakhor was a late joke vote, believe me or not.

Niklas makes the universe corrupt, and I guess that the mafia is the richest.
It doesnt matter who Jabba have had contact with or if he placed out the bounty or not. As long as he is lord of corruption he is worth eliminating.
If votes talk instead of money, I believe the good people of this world will win.

Mace Windu would probably not attack ICBM if he wasn't a mafia or something.
The only problem is that he might not be meant to die now, and we dont know what reasons Windu had to kill ICBM.

Ill say we take them both in turn.

SS-18 ICBM at least we'll know who or what he is when he's unlynchable.

@Romanichine: I advise episode 3 particularly (featuring Windu's death):)

I think I have to agree now, so in the interests of making my vote actually count, I'll go for SS-18 ICBM to die.

If SS-18 ICBM would just stop playing games and give us a reasonable explanation of 1) who he is; 2) why he can evade Mace Windu; and 3) why Mace Windu might want him dead, then I might not have to see him lynched.

It was painful but I read through the whole thread. Seems like I have to pick either SS18 or Niklas/Jabba if I want my vote to count. I am not convinced that going after a neutral character like Jabba is the best course at this time. SS-18 ICBM on the other hand is either suicidal or is (obviously) protected against being lynched.

Both votes appears bad but as someone said, we might at least get some information if we fail at lynching SS-18 ICMB.


@Romanichine: I advise episode 3 particularly (featuring Windu's death):)

Please explain. Which of my previous questions makes you think that I need to see Episode 3?

Everyone here that has not seen Star Wars should go see the entire hexalogy as part of, well, their life.

I've seen all the episodes, that why I'm asking why RRRaskolnikov think I should see them.

Update will be an hour or so early tonight, due to prior arrangements (having a life).

A player (Mace Windu) tried to kill(??) SS-18 during the night, but SS-18 was able to evade it.

Well, a similar stuff happens in ep3. Only difference is that Mace looses his little head in the process. Obviously, unlike your first proposition, i don't think SS-18 is a jedi :D I am trying to suggest something that would make more sense :)

Hey dudes, I'm sith faction, come vig me or something.

Vote: Bad Player

Brisbane aint big enough for the two of us.

Should someone replace him?
Its your first post (or not far from it) and you want yourself vigged. Why did you sign up for the game brother?

What does vig mean?

Vigilant kill ability.

@remake: read the Mafia game thread by Zack... there are excellent links to learn pretty much everything about the game. (including all the related vocabulary, potential roles, etc...)

It seems easy to me, but then again, things always seem easy.

SS-18 ICBM has still failed to tell why Mace Windu couldn't even as much as find him - let alone kill him. I see no reason why that tidbit of information should be withheld from us.

Nice redirect. Attack the metagaming statement in such a way to remove my main arguments. Or is this your way of stating that you see the logic in my words and would believe the same if in my shoes?
No, I meant exactly what I said. Your logic boils down to that you are voting me because I could be lying, and because I, as a player, am dangerous.

I am an honest merchant, believe it or not. If I had been someone else from the movies, with exactly the same abilities and motivations, I doubt I would have been put under the same kind of pressure. The whole argument is based on the fact that I'm Jabba, a fact I myself revealed.

Recall that the Money VC definition was in the OP when the game started, so Niklas's reveal of his having the Money VC doesn't mean his statement has been verified. For all we know, Niklas read the rules, saw the Money VC, and added it to his reveal.
Yes, I could be lying about it. This is a game where anyone could be lying. Or I could be telling the truth. Which seems most likely to you, given what you know about my ability and motivations? In the rest of your argumentation you seem to accept the fact that I have a Money VC.

It's a bit on the worrisome side for me. If he does have the VC, then he doesn't care who wins, so long as he has the most money when someone does.
I've been open all along with the fact that I don't care whether mafia or innocents win. That's exactly what the rules you quoted say, too. I intend to play Jabba as neutral to a fault, refusing to get involved on either side.

As a mafia member, its in they're best interest to work with Niklas. So long as they can continue to pay him off, he can continue to help them out.
Ah, but here's an interesting little detail. You furtively asked me on MSN whether I would consider working with the mafia if they had a nice deal for me, scratching each others' backs. I refused, stating clearly that I had no interest in getting involved whatsoever. Want me to post the chat log?

Is this why you're now hounding me? Because you made a suspect move that made me think you might be mafia trying to feel me out, and when it didn't work you now need me dead to cover your tracks? Back-fire if so, I would have had no reason to tell anyone, except you're now giving me one. I told you I was neutral, you should have left it at that.

Note also that with a character like Jabba the Hut, it was in Niklas's best interest to role-reveal. Consider all the pros of doing so:
Gain contact with other like minded individuals, as an example: bounty hunters
Not worried about the mafia, as they would see the advantage of working with Niklas
Can persuade innocents with items or other needs to want to keep Niklas around for personal benefits


I would not mind gaining contact with other like minded individuals. But you should realize that us "like minded" have mutually incompatible VCs, whereas my VC is not at all incompatible with the innocent one (or mafia for that matter). So the ones who I now do have contact with are not "like minded" in that sense, or if they are then they haven't seen fit to tell me. Nor do I intend to ask.
It's true that I doubt the mafia see me as a threat. Why would they? I'm no more threat to them than I am to the innocents. But that doesn't mean there is any way they could work with me that would be beneficial to them. I simply refuse to get involved, on either side.
Yes, this is in fact my main reason for going public. I wanted everyone to know exactly who and what I was, so they could see that I could provide a useful service. As I've said before, a vote on me is basically a vote on closing the market. Sure you can do that, but it won't catch you any scum.


In fact, I fully agree with the thought of role-revealing with that character. For those who didn't know, Niklas was already revealing to other players behind the scenes, so basically Earthling really didn't force Niklas to reveal, since he was already doing it anyway. I know of at least three players (not counting Earthling) who knew who Niklas was before the public reveal. Sounds to me like Niklas had no desire to hide who he was.
You can go back and read my own posts in this thread and you'll find that I've already said exactly this, several times. Three players were (to my knowledge) aware of my role before Earthling - Renata, Winston and RRRaskolnikov. You are correct, I had no desire to hide who I was. I simply had nothing to hide, and I still don't.

Also note that Niklas hasn't revealed what faction he's in and when I've asked him privately, he refused.
I have told others, just not you. I simply didn't like your all too obvious fishing attempts. The truth is that I belong to no faction at all. No, the protection I have is not based on having other faction members defend me, something you seemed very keen to figure out.

I've also been informed that Niklas and another were seeking out possible bounty hunters before Earthling's reveal of the bounty upon him. I will admit, I was told this and I can't be positive as to the accuracy of it, but I thought I'd share it anyway.
I assume this is the same information that Earthling claims to have behind the scenes, which he is passing around to make me appear guilty. Here's the truth:
Niklas: so are you a bounty hunter?
RRRaskolnikov: you have a task to be done?
Niklas: regardless of the answer to that question, I would definitely be pleased to make more such contacts, for possible future needs and deeds
RRRaskolnikov: i understand
Niklas: and even if you're not, perhaps there's some other way we could be of mutual gain for each other?
RRRaskolnikov: I am sure we will

My reason for asking Ras if he was a bounty hunter was because he had asked me the same thing. At this time I had no knowledge of any bounty on Earthling, and my querying was no different from what I did in this post (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=9156100&postcount=119), looking to make contacts. Yes, I want contacts, with bounty hunters and others, something I've been open with all along. Contacts for potential mutual gain. How is that scummy? It's perfectly in line with my character's motivation, and that's the tune I'm playing to.

So to summarize, the whole argument is based on the fact that I could be lying, when in fact I'm not. Wake up Methos, this is a mafia game, everyone could be lying. I'm the one with the least reason to do so, because of the stance I've decided to take. One lie, one broken promise or confidence, and I'll be dead.

I hereby promise that I have been, and will continue to be, completely 100% truthful in everything I say throughout this game. I will not give up any information entrusted to me, nor will I agree to further any cause other than that of commerce.

In other words, catch me in a single lie and you're free to vote me dead. But it won't happen, since I have no reason to.

:lol: Niklas... if you start posting logs, then please post a bit more, because you are acting like a bad reporter, selecting only incriminating things. I don't care if everyone see how bad my english is :)

I selected to post that snippet because the stuff that went before and after was nonsensical in the context (silly stuff about Renata being your "master"). But feel free to post more of the log if you think I put you in a bad perspective. I have nothing to hide.

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/7560/jabbathehutt.pngLadies and gentlemen, I am pleased to say I have a very good offer for you all today. I have a contact who takes his protection profession very seriously. They have chosen me to serve as their public face, to avoid ending up like poor Chewie last night.

AAA+ protection, satisfaction guaranteed! My contact's services are open for the highest bidder - I will take bids either here in thread or via private channels.

I am sure Earthling will cry scum over this, but I assure you there's nothing scummy about it. Just a genuine belief in the free market.

(And no, I still have my own protection intact, otherwise you wouldn't be hearing about this.)

Is it a per night rate or do you want a single sum?

I guess it'll have to be SS-18 ICBM, since he seems totally unwilling to defend himself. We can't get into the habit of allowing that kind of thing.

:lol:

Thanks Niklas, I was really curious as to the weak links in my argument, so I was looking forward to your reply. I had actually forgotten part of our IM conversation, :blush:.

The main thing that worries me about the Money VC is whether or not those with the Money VC add to the strength of the town. If not, then the mafia merely need to figure out who all the bounty hunters are, keep them alive and kill the town and its in easy win. I doubt that's the case, but you see my point. If the above worry is true, then locating you and the bounty hunters and keeping that group alive, they have an easy win.

Ah, but here's an interesting little detail. You furtively asked me on MSN whether I would consider working with the mafia if they had a nice deal for me, scratching each others' backs. I refused, stating clearly that I had no interest in getting involved whatsoever. Want me to post the chat log?

The chat log is very interesting and I admit, it can be read multiple ways. Basically, its in the eyes of the beholder. For those interested, here is the main part:

1:19:35 PM Methos: so I assume that means if the mafia contacts you and states they'll help you with your vc if you help them with yours, then you'd agree to it?
1:19:48 PM Niklas: nope
1:20:07 PM Niklas: if the mafia contacts me and asks for my help, I will tell them that I am neutral
1:20:30 PM Niklas: I will however not share any information I gain about them with the innocent side
1:20:52 PM Niklas: that said, I would certainly be open to bargaining on specific issues
1:20:58 PM Niklas: "we'll do this if you do that"
1:21:05 PM Niklas: both with mafia and innocents
1:21:13 PM Niklas: but it will not be on the form "help us win"
1:21:19 PM Methos: then basically your answer to me is "yes"
1:21:45 PM Methos: if they ask you to do something that will cause them victory but also get you a victory, you wouldn't do it?
1:21:53 PM Niklas: my answer is that I know just how precarious my situation is, and I will do nothing to adventure it
1:22:42 PM Niklas: if there was a specific task I could perform that was guaranteed to mean I won, I would do it, regardless of who else won in the process

Stepping back, I can see it from multiple angles, so I'll let you all decide. For now though I will unvote Niklas and vote SS-ICBM.

I don't think it will make a difference at this point but SS-18 ICBM.

Also if love can just kill a killer then she is quite powerful, whether innocent or not, therefore it seems those who can scan should check up on her and tell us if she is in fact bad.

Wait, love is a girl?

What is Love?
Answer:
nsCXZczTQXo

I'm not a girl. Teehee :blush:

Update coming sometime in the next 30 minutes or so.

I'm looking forward to it :)

@Han and Jabba: tl;dr. Can I get a summary from someone, because I kinda get the feeling they're both just taking stabs at each other.

Theory: Jabba can't die unless Boba Fett and/or Gredo die. I don't know if Gredo is in the game, but I don't see why he wouldn't be.

@Romanichine: I advise episode 3 particularly (featuring Windu's death):)

To (mis)quote Comic Book Guy...

Worst. Episode. EVER.

No, 1 was the worse episode ever.

No, Hayden Christensen is the worst actor ever.

So naturally, in a cast full of stars, they pick the worst actor to ever live to play the most important character.

Shouldn't you be working on that update, Zack? :p

It's already written, I'm just waiting to post it.

Good man. :thumbsup:

No, 1 was the worse episode ever.

Unlike the rest of the world, I actually don't hate Jar Jar.

Day 2


The villagers were sick of SS-18 ICBM's scummy behavior, and after all, he escaped death from a Jedi Master! Surely that can only mean that he's a bad, bad man! Using their brilliant logic, the citizens set out in search of SS-18. However, they were puzzled when they did not find him anywhere. They searched the whole town far and wide, but that elusive SS-18 could not be found anywhere. "We should've lynched someone else!" the villagers were declaring. But some of them had a gut feeling that next time around, the seemingly Invisible Man (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKdxd718WXg) wouldn't be quite so lucky.

SS-18 ICBM has escaped (http://www.slipperybrick.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/escape-key.jpg) death yet again!


Tally

SS-18 ICBM: 23 (RRRaskolnikov, taillesskangaru, Seon, civplayah, remake20, Capt Blackadder, Methos, Secura, Double A, Khazaar, Takhisis, Arakhor, link16, Nictel, Bad Player, j65536d, Romanichine, wideyedwanderer, Kennigit, Autolycus, OwenGlyndwr, PaulusIII, Winston Hughes)
Niklas: 7 (landlubber, Earthling, Love, Lord OST, johnhugthom, Krill, SS-18 ICBM)
Abstain: 4 (TheForestAuro, CivGeneral, TheLastOne36, Shadowbound)
Earthling: 2 (Niklas, Stuck in Pi)
Bad Player: 1 (pevergreen)


Not Voting (And he's out of town! I applaud all of you, this is fantastic (unless you're Csargo and Virote_Considon)! :goodjob:): (classical_hero)



It is now NIGHT 2. Night will end in approximately 24 hours.

Send night actions to choxorn, not me!
Send QuickTopic links to me and choxorn!

Are we allowed to talk at night in this game or not?

I admit, I'm not a Star Wars fan and not up on the movies, so what does this mean about SS-ICBM? Who, or what, is he?

Accept the inevitability of my existence.

Accept the inevitability of my existence.

So... you're the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull?

Whoever he is, he is powerful. I don't think he would be totally invincible so anyone who can crack the code go ahead.

Next time maybe ;) (oh and tx Tak for Haddaway :D :eekdance:)

So he's immune to lynches and night kills and can still vote? I am duly scared.

Is he a politician? :hide:

Yeah, that has to be Palpatine.

I got the impression that he was immune, but not anymore. Assuming he is in fact a bad guy (you fans can determine that), then let Mace have another try.

If he's Palpatine, he is the major villain of the entire trilogy, so that might qualify him as a bad guy, yes.

If he's Palpatine, he is the major villain of the entire trilogy, so that might qualify him as a bad guy, yes.

Naaaaaaaaaah, I'm sure he (and Jabba) are on the side of good.

Nevermind

Maybe it's like LotR where we have to kill one or more of his henchmen before we can get to him.

OK, bad guy can't die. Not good. How powerful do you have to be to hide out whenever you need to?
(oh and tx Tak for Haddaway :D :eekdance:)
'Ta, mah fellow slave. I have fulfilled the quest long ago.

So then, I'm guessing then that to take out Mr Missile, we need to take out some other guy first.

I would guess he is palpatine, who would we need to take out then? Darth Vader?

No... Darth Maul, I'd say. And maybe Dooku, but maybe Dooku was masons with Grievous and/or some people from the CIS?
And I'm not sure how the Anakin/Darth Vader transformation works.

There are so many possible killers in the star wars universe. I have a feeling some of them were left out. Could the Anikin/DV thing work like Gollum did in LotR?

No, I don't think it's that simple (by simple, I mean much more complicated. I would know). Probably some kind of trigger, like his mom and Padmé dying, would make Anakin go crazy mad and start to kill people.

Hey do you guys read Darths and Droids? It's like a Star Wars DnD campaign in a world where George Lucas never did Star Wars, like lightsabers are laser swords in the comic, and Count Dokou is French. This one (http://darthsanddroids.net/episodes/0070.html) is my favorite, just because of that guy's reaction.

tl;dr: Click the link, read.

Anyone who is not Jabba but another Neutral and has anything to offer regarding credits, trade, abilities etc... I'd feel should be given a welcome opportunity to step forward, given how things are going. Otherwise I just wish good luck to the Innocent and bad lucky to the killers tonight. It's unfortunate the lynch didn't work but I agree SS-18 ICBM may be vulnerable in the future, hopefully a bad guy to take down.

Hopefully he's a bad guy??? I thhink it's pretty blimmin obvious he's a high level bad guy!!!!!!

Hey do you guys read Darths and Droids? It's like a Star Wars DnD campaign in a world where George Lucas never did Star Wars, like lightsabers are laser swords in the comic, and Count Dokou is French. This one (http://darthsanddroids.net/episodes/0070.html) is my favorite, just because of that guy's reaction.

tl;dr: Click the link, read.

Yep, it's an amusing comic. :)

I WILL FLY AWAY TODAY AND BE BACK AT SATURDAY! I WILL HAVE ZERO ACCESS TO THE NET.

and

I must say that I don't think that SS is a really bad guy. Being invisible isn't an asset for the siths. He might be neutral or something.

Oh and this is the only creature I found that's invisible...

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Invisible_lizards

Reasons ICBM is almost certainly very very evil and very very powerful:
1) Mace Windu (good guy) wanted him dead - evil +1
2) He can escape a jedi vigilante kill - powerful +1
3) He can escape a lynch - powerful +1
4) He refused to defend himself in spite of all the public accusations (why not just talk to Earthling who is almost certainly innocent at the very least?) - evil +1
5) Reasons 2 and 3 make him the very probably THE MOST POWERFUL CHARACTER IN THE GAME KNOWN THUS FAR.

Conclusion: Palpatine

Krikey. Yeah, I'd say he's Palpatine also.

Reasons ICBM is almost certainly very very evil and very very powerful:
1) Mace Windu (good guy) wanted him dead - evil +1
2) He can escape a jedi vigilante kill - powerful +1
3) He can escape a lynch - powerful +1
4) He refused to defend himself in spite of all the public accusations (why not just talk to Earthling who is almost certainly innocent at the very least?) - evil +1
5) Reasons 2 and 3 make him the very probably THE MOST POWERFUL CHARACTER IN THE GAME KNOWN THUS FAR.

Conclusion: Palpatine

Is it possible that Mace Windu knew who ICBM was on Night 1?

Would a good vigilante choose someone at random and possibly kill one on his side?

At the start of the game I wondered if it might be like LotR mafia game where you have a good cover role and a bad real role for the mafia but I don't think this is the case here. I think Mace Windu is genuinely an innocent.

I don't think it was a random attack. My best guess is that there has been talk happening in the background that we are not aware of (see my complaints about being out of the loop!) and it became apparent that ICBM was mafia.

Right. I forgot that SS-18 ICBM was acting all evil on day 1. What he said in the game thread may have been enough to incite Mace Windu to vig him.

Im not sure ICBM is so powerful, in strength. When hes invisible he dont need to be powerful to escape. If hes Palpatine though, I guess his powerful.

FROM THE GAME RULES
STRENGTH
Every player in the game has a strength stat. However, unlike most Mafia/NotW games on here, strength is based on a scale of 1 – 10 (as opposed to 1 – 5). So what does strength matter? It matters for night kills. If you are attacked at night, one of the following situations will take place (not considering abilities/items):

Situation: Your strength is equal to your attacker’s strength.
Result: You leave the fight unscathed.

Situation: Your strength is 1+ lower than your attacker’s strength.
Result: You die.

If you are the attacker at night, one of the following situations will take place (not considering abilities/items):

Situation: Your strength is greater than your victim’s strength.
Result: You kill your victim.

Situation: Your strength is equal to your victim’s strength.
Result: You leave the fight without injury, but so does your victim.

Situation: Your strength is 1 lower than your victim’s strength.
Result: You are injured.

Situation: Your strength is 2+ lower than your victim’s strength.
Result: You die.

Your strength will always be listed as: Base Strength (Effective Strength)

If he was palpatine, surely he would be more powerful than Mace Windu and kill Mace- or at least injure him.

Now, I wasn't in the LotR game, but I heard you guys couldn't lynch or touch Sauron until his minions had been killed off. So, that situation it could be palpatine.

Otherwise, I'm inclined to believe he is not palpatine. Evil? Absolutely. Palpatine? Perhaps not.

Well I think that mace windu attacked him, but I'm not so sure that it was strength that decided the outcome. It has to be some sort of ability. Is there anyone so far that is a confirmed innocent?

Renata. :p

I WILL FLY AWAY TODAY AND BE BACK AT SATURDAY! I WILL HAVE ZERO ACCESS TO THE NET.

and

I must say that I don't think that SS is a really bad guy. Being invisible isn't an asset for the siths. He might be neutral or something.

Oh and this is the only creature I found that's invisible...

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Invisible_lizards

In one of the episodes of the Clone Wars animated show, Padme, C3P0, and R2, and maybe Obi-wan & Anakin, were on some ice planet that had a cave with lightsaber crystals (and 1 Jedi & 1 apprentice were trapped inside). There were some invisible droids shooting at Padme and the comic relief duo.

If anyone's curious, she threw out her fancy pants cape in the open to draw their fire and shot one. I think she then used C3P0 as bait to get the rest.

Is it possible that Mace Windu knew who ICBM was on Night 1?

Would a good vigilante choose someone at random and possibly kill one on his side?

Possible; yes.

Renata. :p

Evil.

Although it pains me to do so, I must admit that I distrust this instant jump to Palpatine as well. I think the majority of the reasoning behind it is the fact that Sauron was so invulnerable in the LotR Mafia game, and that's shaky reasoning at best.

Now, is he good? Probably not. But the sureness of some people's assertations that he is, in fact, the BBEG isn't actually as solid as they'd like to believe.

The BBEG?

I don't think it was a random attack. My best guess is that there has been talk happening in the background that we are not aware of (see my complaints about being out of the loop!) and it became apparent that ICBM was mafia.

I think it's really simple, and this might be the wrong way to approach it. I hope you've read the thread, but I'll make it simple:

You should notice several people pointed out ICBM acting evil on the first day/night, in this thread. That's probably what keyed off Mace.

Secondly, if you want to be "in the loop" and you're Innocent you should probably talk/respond to me, especially before I die tonight if that's going to happen. I'd say it's pretty sure I'm Innocent, despite what Jabba/certain bounty hunters may have been campaigning about, and as such, my primary goal is in fact eliminating the Mafia, and well secondary I care about Leia so I'm not out for anything but the collective interests. If you're Mafia you're already "in the loop" with somebody too, but just keeping on asking that isn't going to get anywhere. ;)

Also, Love, very interesting talk about the invisible lizards :lol:

Has anyone realized that Love might be another powerful evil person. He may be innocent, but there is nothing that says that, that I can recall. So we may be dealing with multiple people like ICBM.

I think it's really simple, and this might be the wrong way to approach it. I hope you've read the thread, but I'll make it simple:

You should notice several people pointed out ICBM acting evil on the first day/night, in this thread. That's probably what keyed off Mace.

Secondly, if you want to be "in the loop" and you're Innocent you should probably talk/respond to me, especially before I die tonight if that's going to happen. I'd say it's pretty sure I'm Innocent, despite what Jabba/certain bounty hunters may have been campaigning about, and as such, my primary goal is in fact eliminating the Mafia, and well secondary I care about Leia so I'm not out for anything but the collective interests. If you're Mafia you're already "in the loop" with somebody too, but just keeping on asking that isn't going to get anywhere. ;)

Also, Love, very interesting talk about the invisible lizards :lol:

I did PM you the 1st day but you said that you only had time to talk to Jedis/Leia/other powerful people. So I left it at that. I would PM you more but at the moment I don't have anything in particular to discuss...

Yay. Two super powerful evil characters.

Maybe we'll get lucky and the Death Star will be another character.

I would think the Death Star as a character is so inspired I'd forgive it though. And Bad Player, you're right, sorry about the cold shoulder, but the first day no one (should have...who knows about Jabba/Mafia) knew my identity and I still think a couple were bounty hunters trying to scope out my strength. If you need to get into contact with other Innocents I would help you but if you have nothing to say, well, good luck anyway.

The Death Star was sarcasm, by the way.

BBEG = Big Bad Evil Guy :)

Oh, ok.

Due to a frikking vulcano I will be here for tonight and possibly tomorrow. Or possibly the entire week. :rage:

Due to a frikking vulcano I will be here for tonight and possibly tomorrow. Or possibly the entire week. :rage:

I know on which continent you are :p

There are volcanoes in Antarctica?

I'm going out to dinner tonight, so the update won't be up until about 730 central. Sorry, I know I've been awful about being punctual.

There are volcanoes in Antarctica?

Yeah.

Would this be that specific Icelandic volcano that recently became fairly famous? Lots of teachers couldn't get back to work for the first week of term :)

That one. I will still be leaving. Gone for a town in sweden instead! :D

Well, a change is as good as a rest (assuming you're not Swedish) :P

He lives in Stockholm.

Yeah.

I thought you were in Norway, but oh well.

OK I've tried adding a couple of ppl to msn now. If anyone wants me to add them too, let me know!

BBEG is a term usually used in role playing games. I guess I just goofed and forgot some of you wouldn't necessarily understand.

What I mean to say, is, we should tone down our assumptions that are based on specific instances in other games.

add me: astokk@msn.com

EDIT: PM me if you want my IM.

done and done!

I won't be putting anyone on MSN until after my final deposition which is Wednesday after next. Sorry folks, barely have time enough to read the thread, can't hang around on MSN.
Maul's ship (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sith_Infiltrator) was invisible, too:
In front of the round cockpit (the whole forward-center section of the spacecraft) of the vehicle was a rare stygium crystal-powered cloaking device which was capable of creating an invisibility field which could sneak through even the most advanced of security technologies and allowing its master to evade pursuit while on his missions.
Could SS-18 ICBM be Darth Maul?
http://cdn1.knowyourmeme.com/i/10002/original/caturday_7319.jpg

Feel free to PM me if you want to talk. I'm on CFC far more than Yahoo/MSN :)

Sorry, the update will be even later since I don't know any of the night orders.... *cough*

Every single Mafia attacked ICBM? Right?

I mean they didn't try to attack and kill me or something like that again? :(

Every single Mafia attacked ICBM? Right?

I mean they didn't try to attack and kill me or something like that again? :(
Apparently, every single player in the game sent choxorn an order to "Kill Earthling".

Poor guy.






;)


Update in a few.

Night 2


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Jango Fett wasn't happy. His (cloned) son was injured by some scumbag, and now papa Jango was going to teach this punk Earthling a valuable lesson. When Jango confronted Earthling, Earthling yelled out "Hey, whoever's protecting me, you can come save me now." Silence. "Please?" Jango watches with unsympathetic eyes behind his Mandalorian armor, and a harsh, cold laugh comes out of his throat. "Tonight, you die Earthling." And with that, Jango incinerated Earthling's body with his deadly flamethrower. But just before he kicked the bucket, Earthling pulled out his blaster and, grinning, shot Jango in the thigh. Then Earthling bit the dust.

Han Solo was Innocent!

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/7153/hansolo.pngHe was a member of the Rebel Alliance!

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Mace Windu again set out to find SS-18 ICBM. He searched extremely carefully, and this time he located the elusive SS-18. However, it was to his great surprise when he saw Anakin Skywalker approaching SS-18 at the same time. Both were speechless. Anakin finally broke the awkward silence. "Master Windu, surely this horrid creature is a Sith Lord. He must be exterminated." Windu was nodding his head in agreement. "I concur, Skywalker." After their brief man to man, they both turned to SS-18 and advanced on him. Just before they delivered the killing blow, SS-18 yelled out. "Meesa not gonna hurt you!" But it was too late.

Jar Jar Binks was Neutral!

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Darth Maul was eager to shed some blood tonight. He set out in pursuit of the quiet Winston Hughes. Upon his arrival at Winston's humble abode, he politely knocked on the door (even Sith know their manners, after all). Winston answered the door and invited Maul in for a cup of tea. Unfortunately for Winston, as soon as his back was turned Maul lunged forward, lightsaber activated and pointed at his back. Winston barely jumped out of the way and ignited a blue lightsaber of his own, much to the surprise of Maul. "Didn't think I'd have one of these babies, did you?" Winston taunted his tattooed opponent. Maul merely snarled and unleashed a ferocious attack on Winston. His Sith blade was a whirl of crimson, dancing through the air in tune with Winston's own blue pattern. Winston was caught off guard by a burst of Force energy from Maul, who quickly acted on his opening and finally penetrated Winston's defense.

Galen Marek was innocent!

http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/884/galenmarek.pngHe was a member of the Rebel Alliance!

In the morning, the items of the fallen players had been discovered (including General Grievous' lightsabers from the day before.)

Grievous' Lightsaber
Grievous' Other Lightsaber
Galen Marek's Lighstaber

Jabba the Hutt has put up a Blaster for auction.


Jar Jar Binks has won Death Victory! The game will continue on as normal.




Night Summary
Jango Fett killed Earthling.
Jango Fett is injured.
Mace Windu and Anakin Skywalker killed SS-18 ICBM.
Darth Maul killed Winston Hughes.
3 Lightsabers were found.
Jabba the Hutt has put a blaster up for auction!



It is now DAY 3. Day will end in approximately 45 hours.

Income has been generated!
Scan results have been sent!
Lynch votes in Bold.
Support votes in Green.
Bid on the blaster in Magenta.
Vote for Grievous' lightsaber in Dark Red.
Vote for Grievous' other lightsaber in Blue.
Vote for Galen Marek's lighstaber in Dark Orange.

Mace Windu again set out to find SS-18 ICBM. He searched extremely carefully, and this time he located the elusive SS-18. However, it was to his great surprise when he saw Anakin Skywalker approaching SS-18 at the same time.

Awkwaaaaard. :lol:

Also, victory (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfHX3mAbyrs) [party]. Everyone who's dead is invited.

Made an edit (put in victory).

Another reason to hate Jar-Jar more. Good game for me and good luck everyone!

:lol: Nice one ICBM!

*sigh*

There's really no point in my playing these games anymore, is there?

So you wasn't Godzilla? :faint: (was cool while it lasted Winston ;))

:rotfl:

Jar Jar Binks? :lmao:

Awkwaaaaard. :lol:

Also, victory (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfHX3mAbyrs) [party]. Everyone who's dead is invited.

1:08.


THAT's NOT STAR WARS. WHAT HAVE YOU DONNNNNNNEEEEEEEEE?

*goes and weeps in a corner*

*sigh*

There's really no point in my playing these games anymore, is there?

No, there really, really isn't. Sorry, Winston.

Another reason to hate Jar-Jar more.

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070620015413/starwars/images/thumb/1/12/JarJar_negtc.jpg/353px-JarJar_negtc.jpg
Yousa mad?

(edit: not @ ICBM) Maybe a little unrelated but I would so be up for finding a new site to create new logins or something each game, if any GM in the future ever gets that idea working. Still hope everyone is active and participating and has fun this game.

*sigh*

There's really no point in my playing these games anymore, is there?

A few hours with me is better than none.

1 for the blaster

And doesn't Grievous have like 20 lightsabers? And I know he uses 4 at all times, so why only 2?

The host is holding out on us! :mad:

I feel as if we got played by ICBM.

So, guys...errr....any ideas on what to do next?

1 for the blaster

And doesn't Grievous have like 20 lightsabers? And I know he uses 4 at all times, so why only 2?

The host is holding out on us! :mad:
Valid questions.

Won't be answered until after the game is over. :lol:

Jar Jar Binks has won Death Victory!

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Apparently, every single player in the game sent choxorn an order to "Kill Earthling".

Poor guy.






;)


Update in a few.

I just noticed that aside from Darth Mol, this was serious! :lol:

link16

When I asked him about his role he kept dogging my question and kept trying to change the topic. Here are the most convincing parts of the session.

Dices never lie... Lightsabers to Double A, TFA, and myself

edit: nothing in your chat but empty threats remake... You don't expect people to reveal like that do you?

Valid questions.

Won't be answered until after the game is over. :lol:

So, is that enough time for you to come up with an answer?

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/images/smilies/emot_vhappy.gif

And since RRR is saying I should get a lightsaber, I'll just agree.

Double A for the Red Lightsaber.


I am going to watch Star Wars episode I, right now before I go to bed. In the morning I hope to be much more knowledgeable in the Star Wars universe.

Not a bad idea. I think I'm gonna play some BFII later to get a better understanding of droid and rebel tactics.

Also, 0 for the blaster now. I don't know how to cross crap out on CFC, so that'll have to do.

http://foorumi.haistapaska.com/images/smilies/wtf.gif ...what??? So SS-18 ICBM had to get himself killed? http://foorumi.haistapaska.com/images/smilies/facepaml.gif

Abstain, I haven't been in the loop so I don't know who's who this time around. Everything will be hopefully back to normal IRL in a couple weeks' time. Until then, I'll do my best. Sorry, everyone.
Abstain on lynch, too.

Double A sounds as good as anyone else right now.

I don't know how to cross crap out on CFC, so that'll have to do.


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Thanks.

Me unless I can get it for free.

*sigh*

There's really no point in my playing these games anymore, is there?

My experimental mafia game has no night kills for this exact reason! The only other option I could think of was creating new accounts for everyone but the mods don't want that understandably.

Why I should be killed:

I can't win. I can't win in any way.


Victory Condition: ROLEHERE survives the game.
Personal Goal: Successfully use your ability.

Removed the name, but yeah, the person is dead. And I can't win with town, and I can't win with my boss's team, so...

cya CFC

WOGvote: pever

Firstly, does anyone think Anakin isn't good? Since it was a stuff-up, any Sith would have known that ICBM was not one of them so they wouldn't have attacked him. So I'm fairly sure that Anakin is a good guy here (at least for now?). Disregard the evil look in his picture..

Secondly I would like this lightsaber or perhaps this lightsaber. I have been open and honest in my dealings, I have worked to a limited degree with Earthling and I was open and honest with Winston about what I was talking to Earthling about. Last night I was trying to figure out who could have put a bounty on Earthling and I am working on a theory about how to differentiate innocents from non-innocents (which I discussed with a couple of people).

Also, we need to get the lurkers to participate more and thereby potentially expose themselves if they are mafia.

I want a lightsaber.

I think most active players agree that lurkers are bad for the game. One good way to force them to participate is to put pressure votes on them.

I can understand though why some people would prefer to lurk in this particular game. The way things have been going, jedi vigilantes and Darth Maul are going berserk on high profile people.

Instead of figuring what was going on, Mace Windu and Anakin have killed Jar Jar. Sure he asked for it, and SS-18 played it right, but I can't help wondering if they could have done different. It could easily have been a trap if he was Palpatine or any high ranked Sith. The jedis could have been killed, or turned to the dark side. Or who knows what... Instead of doing what's obviously expected of them, they should start thinking. Was it personal against SS18? I don't know it's hard to say. Was it bad play? Certainly. Specially from Mace Windu who should have known better than try the same move a 2nd time.

With seemingly all the important talking being done behind the scenes, it is understandable that lurkers will keep lurking. Why should they be talking in this thread? There's no content to discuss, people keep to secrete meetings.

Like any other mafia game, the pro-town people should be opening the discussion, probe at everyone trying to force the mafia to a mistake. Instead of doing that, Han Solo role claims on day 1, keeps focusing on an obviously neutral characters (Jabba). And the jedi vigilantes act like they need another brain. Way to guys!

I've just joined this game on day 2, so I kept silent for a while, but I'm now very interested to see if this type of reaction would get me killed. I'm expecting it, I almost want it because this is all so ridiculous. I'm gonna stay decent though and will not act impusively. I'll keep in the game, I'll try to play it as it was intended until I die so...

I vote all the lightsabers to Niklas, Niklas and Niklas because I want money to buy what he might auction later.

I also will try to get a bargain on that blaster for 1 credit because a gun might come in handy after this rant.

And I will vote: Capt Blackadder, an obvious lurker because I have otherwise absolutely no idea who else to vote for and I am not gonna lynch an active player unless I know he is mafia. It's time to get the lurkers out.

Now, if I may suggest, BadPlayer is right: the Rebels should start talking in this thread, not outside.

Yo, can I has the blaster? That way I actually have a defense when IT'S A TRAP!

I want a lightsaber. Love can have a lightsaber. Niklas can have the other lightsaber. Owen Glyndwr might as well get the blaster.

And I abstain on lynching due to lack of serious suspects.

All the other people apart from me who are asking to be voted a lightsaber haven't explained why they should be trusted with it - they are just randoms who could well be Darth Maul even!

Wow.

All I can say is that Jar Jar really deserved it.

Oh yes, he really did. I didn't see that coming at all! I now officially have no leads :(

All the other people apart from me who are asking to be voted a lightsaber haven't explained why they should be trusted with it - they are just randoms who could well be Darth Maul even!

Because I'm a good guy.

OK let's assume you're a good guy then - whom have you contacted so far? What have you discussed with them? What have you been doing to help the innocent cause so far?

Why do you want corruption in this world, Romanichine. I have no prove for it, but I have a feeling that the money is pilled up on mafia and neutral characters.

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Ho hum, just lovely, a day filled with commerce!

First things first. This excellent quality DH-17 Blaster Pistol is a true life-saver, don't miss the opportunity! Effective at ranges up to 120 meters, it really comes into its own at a close range of up to 30 meters, firing quick bursts of high-energy armor-piercing bolts that will send a would-be attacker flying. For purposes of breaking the fourth wall, it gives +1 strength to its wielder. Think Darth Maul might drop by for a cup of tea? Give him a warm welcome with your very own DH-17 Blaster Pistol!

Second, if you are not fortunate enough to become the new owner of your very own blaster, you may want to consider again the offer for Personal Protection. Your personal bodyguard for a night, guaranteed to stop any Darth Mauls, Jar Jar Binkses, or other nasty characters of choice. Got a bounty on your head? Are you a valuable asset to your faction? Don't end up like poor Han Solo, be sure to acquire your personal bodyguard today! AAA+ protection, satisfaction guaranteed - no questions asked! Bids on protection services for one night can be given publicly, or sent to me over private channels.

Third, I will reiterate my statement concerning items that are up for voting. Don't know who would be the most deserving recipient of an item up for the vote? Well, here's the perfect offer for you - vote the items to me! All items voted to me this way will be examined by my very capable staff, and then immediately put up for auction the following day, with a full description of their function. All proceeds from selling items voted to me in this fashion will be split as evenly as possible among those who voted it to me. This will result in complete transparency: I) you will know exactly what the items do that end up with your neighbors, II) you will know exactly how willing someone is to receive a particular item, and III) you never need to wonder about the agenda of the one you're voting the items to. And you get a share of the spoils as well!Here's the exact scheme I will use: Say 4 players (A B C D, in that order) voted the item to me, and that the subsequent auction yielded 10 credits. That would result in A and B receiving 3 credits each, and C and D receiving 2 credits each. Had the auction instead yielded 7 credits, D would have received only 1 credit while the other three would have received 2 each.Since today there are three equivalent items up for vote, I will consider them a single unit, and anyone voting the whole batch to me will share in the combined spoils of selling all three. So don't hesitate - vote all three lightsabers to Jabba today!

Finally, to the person who paid me a visit last night, you know who you are. Contact me in private if you want to make the deal of your lifetime. I guarantee full discretion, you have nothing to fear and everything to win!

Do weapons stack? As in can you use 17 lightsabers at the same time? :P

also abstain

Grievous can.

But I miss the robotic arms. Also I'm a money credit-whore: Jabba has always been good to me. Myself for the blaster: 1.0000001 credits.

Why do you want corruption in this world, Romanichine. I have no prove for it, but I have a feeling that the money is pilled up on mafia and neutral characters.

How do you figure that? I am expecting the rebels to be twice as numerous as the siths, so they may be poorer individually but richer collectively. Besides you said yourself you have no proof. Why don't you trust the game hosts about this?

Thanks for the vote. Surely I am a sith because I am voting items to Niklas. Typical of what I've seen so far. If you read my post properly you would realize that I am pissed at how the rebels have handled things.

^^ Maybe you can stop whining then and start act as a competent rebel. Blaming others isn't going to make us win. Pissing everyone isn't likey to get you more information, and it is not helping those who might have done mistakes. Besides, before everyone vote all items to Jabba, the richest guy out there currently is likely to be JANGO FETT. Furthermore, as everyone voting Jabba items will share the same spoils, basically you aren't getting richer. Well you are, but it doesn't mean you will be able to purchase any items. Everything comes down to income. So the monney you got will eventually end in bounty hunters pockets (because you have few way to spend it), getting themself richer and more powerfull, and creating chaos meanwhile.

OK let's assume you're a good guy then - whom have you contacted so far? What have you discussed with them? What have you been doing to help the innocent cause so far?

I need somewhere to start. I haven't had anyone contacted me so far. :(

Then I don't think we can take the risk of giving you lightsabers. I would have no issue with you aquiring a pistol however. The risk is that a Sith gets another lightsaber.

I'd like a lightsaber, I've never gotten an item in one of these games...

One lightsaber to johnhughthom and the other two to Niklas.

And Johnathon is innocent because? Any reason he's not a Sith per chance??

Who's Johnathan?

And Johnathon is innocent because? Any reason he's not a Sith per chance??

Listen to Jabba, he has the solution to your trust issues.

Third, I will reiterate my statement concerning items that are up for voting. Don't know who would be the most deserving recipient of an item up for the vote? Well, here's the perfect offer for you - vote the items to me!

I think that the problem with lightsabres is that if you explain why you do or do not want one, you risk revealing whether you are Force Sensitive or not. I'm not, so I would like the blaster.

Niklas can have all the lightsabres, for fear of giving them away to a concealed Sith. He may be a Hutt, but at least we know he's not a Sith.

Can I have lightsabers?

@Romanichine: I voted link, and he is a lurker, plus I'm pretty sure he's mafia.

@Romanichine: I voted link, and he is a lurker, plus I'm pretty sure he's mafia.

He has a total of 2 posts since we started, that's good enough for me. You saying he is mafia is a bonus.

unvote: Capt Blackadder; vote: link16.

Pevergreen does seem to be giving up awfully quickly. What a waste of a player.

Yep, Link16 has some explaining to do if he wants to avoid a lynch.


EDIT: Can we let pevergreen be wog'd so we don't waste a lynch?

I'll vote Love a lightsaber. I'm not sure who to vote for, but might as well put some pressure on Link for now.

Re: pevergreen, if he really is dropping out, can the GMs either replace him or WOG him? I hate to waste a lynch on someone who wants out.

I'm not, so I would like the blaster.
Ah, there seems to be some confusion regarding the blaster. It is not up for a vote - you need to bid on it to secure it for yourself. Currently the highest bid is only 1 credit (assuming that Nictel's silly bid isn't valid), so you should be able to get it cheap. :yup:

Listen to Jabba, he has the solution to your trust issues.

OK I'm voting for all lightsabers to Niklas. At least it buys us another night's grace.

I'll pay 2 credits for the blaster.

Wrath of George

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pevergreen was asking to be killed, and since he can't even win, his wish has been granted. The George hammer has smacked down!

The MagnaGuard was Neutral!

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He had a Lightning Staff Thing!

Votes for the Lightning Staff Thing in purple!

Jabba for the Lightning Staff, for aforementioned reasons.

Niklas should have the lightning staff.

Love lightsaber.


Arakhor, why did you want to waste a lynch on pevergreen? It should have been clear WOG was coming. Honest mistake, or simply trying to avoid something eh?

Crikey, I go to visit a friend in the south for a day and a half and come back to reams and reams of pages... it's worse than the Org sometimes. xD

I think that the three lightsabers and electrostaff should be given to Niklas.

As for the lynch, abstain.

Since people love chaos...

I'll pay 2 credits for the blaster.

So Jabba, how will you give people their monney back? half a penny each? Ah no wait, this item wasn't even voted, you could very well be funding a sith...

We've established that Love is probably not a Sith, and if he is +1 strength won't matter that much. Besides, he killed Maul. And finally, Niklas as a placeholder for the lightsabers and thingy.

Also, 3 credits for the Blaster.

EDIT: Deep apologies for the edit, messed up colors.

Electric staff can go to Niklas.
As for lynch, link is fine with me.

Niklas can have the electrostaff too. I'm happy to pay 4 credits for the blaster.

Kennigit, as I've said before, I've had no contact with anyone else and I have no leads of my own to follow. I was just voting for Pevergreen in case he wasn't zapped.

O rly?

also, at shadowbound: Maul is still here. Grievous was the one who Love killed.

Sorry, got confused by an earlier comment that Grievious can use two lightsabers into thinking he was still alive.

Technically, he could use four :)

I'm happy to pay 4 credits for the blaster.

Thanks for the reveal Jango... that's exactly what I said Fett would offer to Jabba (ask him next time you take a bounty). YOu are lucky that siths are a higher priority.

BTW TOWNIES: see what is happening: you won't get anything, only hunters will. So go ahead, and make your own life shorter. :goodjob:

Do Jedi take vows of poverty? The auction mechanic will be horribly imbalanced if all the Sith and criminals have the money.