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Zack
May 02, 2010, 01:38 PM
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/9145/anewhopestarwarsmafiaga.png


Welcome to A New Hope: Star Wars Mafia Game! We (choxorn and I) have worked our butts of on this, and we hope that everyone enjoys it. The game is as balanced as we can humanly attempt to make it (thank you askthepizzaguy for agreeing to look over everything to check for balance. :goodjob:)

If you have any questions about anything pertaining to the game, feel free to ask me or choxorn your questions. If you have any questions or concerns about the game or Star Wars background information, feel free to consult the following:

choxorn
Zack
Wookieepedia (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page), an amazing site with more Star Wars information than you could read in your entire lifetime. The Mafia Information Thread (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=360189) by yours truly.


Unless your Ability specifically states otherwise, your abilities are Night actions.

Send your private actions, such as your abilities, to choxorn. I (Zack) will handle the public side of the GMing.


Rules

GAME PHASES
The Game is divided into alternating DAY and NIGHT Phases. DAY is 48 hours long. Night is 24 hours long. The phases will not always be exactly that time length, since that is impossible. The length of the phases will be approximate.


FACTIONS
The vast majority of players will belong to a specific faction. The members of your faction are your teammates, not your enemies.


STRENGTH
Every player in the game has a strength stat. However, unlike most Mafia/NotW games on here, strength is based on a scale of 1 – 10 (as opposed to 1 – 5). So what does strength matter? It matters for night kills. If you are attacked at night, one of the following situations will take place (not considering abilities/items):

Situation: Your strength is equal to your attacker’s strength.
Result: You leave the fight unscathed.

Situation: Your strength is 1+ lower than your attacker’s strength.
Result: You die.

If you are the attacker at night, one of the following situations will take place (not considering abilities/items):

Situation: Your strength is greater than your victim’s strength.
Result: You kill your victim.

Situation: Your strength is equal to your victim’s strength.
Result: You leave the fight without injury, but so does your victim.

Situation: Your strength is 1 lower than your victim’s strength.
Result: You are injured.

Situation: Your strength is 2+ lower than your victim’s strength.
Result: You die.

Your strength will always be listed as: Base Strength (Effective Strength)


ITEMS AND ABILITIES
Players have items, abilities, and other effects usable to influence the game. For anything which is not passive, either choxorn or I must receive a PM at the appropriate time detailing your action. Item transfers will require consent of both players.


INJURIES
Players can be injured during night attacks (see: Strength) or because of an ability or item. When a player is injured, they cannot use any of their abilities. However, injured players can vote and use items. Injuries last until both a Day Phase and a Night Phase have passed.


CREDITS AND INCOME
Players have credits (money) and income is generated at the end of each Night Phase. Credits can be used to purchase items that are up for sale and to hire bounty hunters. Credits will be listed as: Credits (Income)


BOUNTIES
Any player may anonymously put up a bounty for another player. If you wish to put up a bounty, PM me or choxorn. If the bounty is claimed, then that person will attempt to kill the player. If they succeed, they will get paid by the player who put up the bounty (anonymously). The amount of credits a bounty is worth MUST be specified when it is put up. Anyone can put up a bounty, but not everyone can claim one unless your Role PM specifically states that you can.


AUCTIONS
A player can put an item up for auction, and other players may bid on the item. The item will go to the highest bidder. Anyone can bid on an item put up for auction. If your Role PM does not specifically state that you can put items up for auction, then you cannot. The highest bidder will pay the player who put the item up for auction. (This is all anonymous for the player that puts up the auction, and don’t worry, choxorn or I will automatically subtract or add the money.)


LYNCHES
Every player MUST vote during the Day Phase for a player to be lynched by the town. Votes must be bolded; retractions struck through. Voting is mandatory, and if you continue not voting, then you will be WOGed. A vote to Abstain counts as a vote. If Abstain receives the most votes, no one will be lynched.

Support votes take away ½ of a lynch vote against a player, and will ALWAYS be rounded down (i.e. If someone has 5 lynch votes for them and 9 support votes for them, they will still be lynched).


Role PM Format

Character Name

Character Image URL

Faction Faction
Abilities: Ability – Ability Description
2nd Ability – 2nd Ability Description
Items: Items
Credits: Credits (Income)
Strength: Base Strength (Effective Strength)
Victory Condition: Victory Condition
Personal Goal: Personal Goal

Background Information


Example:


Chuck Norris

http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/4268/chuck20norris.jpg

Faction: Texas
Abilities: Roundhouse Kick – You can vigilante kill a player each night.
Bulletproof – You are invincible.
Items: Pistols – Infinite Strength
Credits: ∞ (∞)
Strength: 10 (∞)
Victory Condition: Innocent
Personal Goal: Kill every single mafia.

You are Chuck Norris. You can do anything you want, because you're Chuck Norris and you can. Chuck Norris doesn't wear a bulletproof vest, bullets wear a Chuck Norris – proof vest. Unfortunately for the Mafia, they do not. So kill 'em all, Chuck!

(Don't worry, your background information won't be this poorly written)


VICTORIES AND GOALS
Each player has a main Victory Condition and a Personal Goal in their Role PM. Keep in mind that while achieving both will earn you a total victory, your main Victory Condition is 60% of your victory, and your Personal Goal is only 30% of your victory. Survival to the end of the game is the final 10% of a player’s victory.

There are 3 different main victory conditions in the game. Each player has only ONE of these three:
Innocent: Eliminate all Mafia factions.
Evil: Eliminate all innocents and other Mafia factions.
Money: Have the most credits when either an Innocent or Evil victory condition is met.


GENERAL RULES (copied from Earthling with minor adjustments)

1) Be active and participate! You do yourself and everyone else a favor by contributing to the game. Communication with other players is key. Feel free to use the CFC PM system as well as other methods of communicating, such as e-mail or IM, if you wish. You may also set up your own QuickTopic, or you can have a GM (choxorn or I) set one up for you. Participating in a QuickTopic is entirely optional, but highly encouraged.
2) Never quote, copy, paste, forfeit, or otherwise try to present anything sent to you from choxorn or I, the GMs. You may paraphrase information but you are strictly forbidden from directly quoting/forwarding PMs sent to you by a GM.
3) Quoting, forwarding, etc… of communications from other players in the game IS PERMITTED. Be aware of how others may be trying to manipulate your information. But also, be reasonable to your fellow players and paraphrase when necessary.
4) Players who are dead may post in the public thread and comment on already public information in a way that does not overly influence the living. They may not communicate novel information about themselves or others. The dead will otherwise comply will all instructions from the GM, including no other contact outside the game thread in any way with any living players or otherwise further participating in the game in an influential manner. Dead players may communicate with the GMs or other dead players, and dead players can feel free to send a GM your opinions, theories, etc. about the game.
5) ALL players will be diligent in checking for PMs from the GM and following GM instructions before other actions- Especially with each Day/Night update. It would be unfortunate to see a situation where a player dies and has not read the PM telling them they are dead or something similar resulting in inappropriate game-thread posting. Dead players may be further informed of circumstances regarding what they are allowed to do/say – so everyone be careful you don’t get privileges like being able to comment at all while dead removed for everyone.
6) Before each Game Update there may be a lockout period where posting is disallowed; it will be mentioned by a GM. Players are encouraged to avoid last minute posting/voting etc… if at all possible, though of course a GM will try to count everything before the time for a write-up cutoff. Note: Players MAY talk on the game-thread during the NIGHT PHASE of the Game, as the Rules stand currently.
7) Roleplaying is encouraged in thread and outside of it too. And of course, you should chiefly aim to achieve your character’s goals and victories however you see best see fit. Try to avoid outside baggage and play within the spirit of the game.
8) Abide by all Forum rules at all times.
9) Always feel free to ask me or choxorn for clarifications on anything. We can’t promise every question will be answered, but if you ever feel we’ve made a mistake or need something made clearer, feel free to ask. This includes dead and living players.
10) Don’t be afraid to think outside the box…and have fun and good luck!

Zack
May 02, 2010, 01:39 PM
Alive - 11

classical_hero
Csargo
hell_hound
johnhughthom - The Emperor!
Nictel
Niklas
OwenGlyndwr
Romanichine
Secura
Seon
TheForestAuro


Dead - 27

Arakhor (Jango Fett, Neutral) - Lynched Day 3
Autolycus (Bail Organa, Innocent) - Killed Night 6
Bad Player (Obi-Wan Kenobi, Innocent) - Killed Night 7
Capt Blackadder (Juno Eclipse, Innocent) - Killed Night 7
CivGeneral (Ki-Adi-Mundi, Innocent) - Killed Night 8
civplayah (Wedge Antilles, Innocent) - Lynched Day 8
Double A (Shmi Skywalker, Innocent) - Killed Night 7
Earthling (Han Solo, Innocent) - Killed Night 2
landlubber (Yoda, Innocent) - Killed Night 6
link16 (Admiral Piett, Evil) - Lynched Day 4
Lord OST (C-3PO, Innocent) - Killed Night 8
j65536d (Clone Trooper, Evil) - Lynched Day 6
Kennigit (Lando Calrissian, Innocent) - Killed Night 4
Krill (Watto, Neutral) - Killed Night 4
Love (Anakin Skywalker, Innocent) - Killed Night 3
Methos (Shaak Ti, Innocent) - Killed Night 6
PaulusIII (Ewok, Innocent) - Killed Night 3
remake20 (Kit Fisto, Innocent) - Killed Night 7
Renata (Chewbacca, Innocent) - Killed Night 1
Shadowbound (Qui-Gonn Jinn, Innocent) - Lynched Day 9
SS-18 ICBM (Jar Jar Binks, Neutral) - Killed Night 2
Stuck in Pi (Boba Fett, Neutral) - Killed Night 8
Takhisis (Grand Moff Tarkin, Evil) - Lynched Day 10
taillesskangaru (Mace Windu, Innocent) - Killed Night 10
thomas.berubeg (General Grievous, Evil) - Killed Night 1
wideyedwanderer (Stormtrooper, Evil) - Lynched Day 7
Winston Hughes (Galen Marek, Innocent) - Killed Night 2


Wrath of George - 2

pevergreen (MagnaGuard, Neutral) - WoGed Day 3
Khazaar (PROXY, Innocent) - WoGed Night 8

Zack
May 02, 2010, 01:40 PM
Updates


Teaser (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=9081868&postcount=2)

Night 0 (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=9151003#post9151003)

Day 1 (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=9157627#post9157627)

Night 1 (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=9160784&postcount=180)

Day 2 (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=9167448&postcount=355)

Night 2 (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=9171224&postcount=422)

Day 3 (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=9177068&)

Night 3 (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=9180247)

Day 4 (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=9186587&postcount=855)

Night 4 (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=9189442#post9189442)

Day 5 (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=9194642#post9194642)

Night 5 (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=9197755#post9197755)

Day 6 (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=9203897&postcount=1047)

Night 6 (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=9207625&postcount=1063)

Day 7 (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=9212594#post9212594)

Night 7 (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=9215888&postcount=1148)

Day 8 (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=9223972&postcount=1187)

Night 8 (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=9229252#post9229252)

Day 9 (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=9234977#post9234977)

Night 9 (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=9237636#post9237636)

Day 10 (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=9243727&postcount=1328)

Night 10 (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=9247404&posted=1#post9247404)

Day 11 (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=9253011#post9253011)

Zack
May 02, 2010, 01:41 PM
Night 0

All of the residents of Lucasville stared in unbelief at the pool of blood covering the ground in front of them. After the citizens stood there, gazing at the mess for an unbelievably absurd amount of time, choxorn stepped forward toward the carnage. “Well, we won’t ever accomplish anything standing here glaring at this bloody mess. We need to find out who committed this horrible atrocity!” And the villagers all groaned as choxorn stooped down, stuck his finger in the puddle of blood, and scooped some up into his mouth. “Choxorn, you idiot!” they all cried at the seemingly idiotic choxorn. But they were all shocked when choxorn simply turned around. “Don’t get your various choices of clothing all in a bunch, its only ketchup!” The villagers all breathed a sigh of relief at the wonderful news. “Only ketchup, what were we thinking!” they exclaimed joyously to all who could hear. “We thought there had been a brutal murder! How silly of us!”

Zack stepped forward and tried some of the ketchup. This made sense, since everyone in the village knew that Zack was very fond of ketchup. Their knowledge was confirmed when Zack informed them that the ketchup “Doesn’t taste too bad, either.”

But then everything went downhill from there. Choxorn had a glazed look on his face, mumbling something about the ketchup being a lie. He then collapsed to the ground, his life ended. Choxorn (Deranged Psycho) was dead.

The Deranged Psycho was innocent! He was a member of the Idiot faction!
Then Zack also fell to the ground, a look of horror frozen on his handsome face. Zack (Ketchup Lover) was dead!

The Ketchup Lover was innocent! He was a member of the Idiot faction!
The Idiot faction has been eliminated!

The villagers started to flee in terror toward the safe refuge of the Lucas Cantina, where accusations started to fly back and forth.



It is now DAY ONE. Day will end in approximately 52 hours.

Income has been generated!
Lynch votes in Bold.
Support votes in Green.

choxorn
May 02, 2010, 01:46 PM
Alive - 9

classical_hero
Csargo
hell_hound
johnhughthom - The Emperor!
Niklas
OwenGlyndwr
Romanichine
Secura
Virote_Considon

Dead - 29

Arakhor (Jango Fett, Neutral) - Lynched Day 3
Autolycus (Bail Organa, Innocent) - Killed Night 6
Bad Player (Obi-Wan Kenobi, Innocent) - Killed Night 7
Capt Blackadder (Juno Eclipse, Innocent) - Killed Night 7
CivGeneral (Ki-Adi-Mundi, Innocent) - Killed Night 8
civplayah (Wedge Antilles, Innocent) - Lynched Day 8
Double A (Shmi Skywalker, Innocent) - Killed Night 7
Earthling (Han Solo, Innocent) - Killed Night 2
landlubber (Yoda, Innocent) - Killed Night 6
link16 (Admiral Piett, Evil) - Lynched Day 4
Lord OST (C-3PO, Innocent) - Killed Night 8
j65536d (Clone Trooper, Evil) - Lynched Day 6
Kennigit (Lando Calrissian, Innocent) - Killed Night 4
Krill (Watto, Neutral) - Killed Night 4
Love (Anakin Skywalker, Innocent) - Killed Night 3
Methos (Shaak Ti, Innocent) - Killed Night 6
Nictel (Princess Leia, Innocent) - Killed Night 11
PaulusIII (Ewok, Innocent) - Killed Night 3
remake20 (Kit Fisto, Innocent) - Killed Night 7
Renata (Chewbacca, Innocent) - Killed Night 1
Shadowbound (Qui-Gonn Jinn, Innocent) - Lynched Day 9
SS-18 ICBM (Jar Jar Binks, Neutral) - Killed Night 2
Stuck in Pi (Boba Fett, Neutral) - Killed Night 8
Takhisis (Grand Moff Tarkin, Evil) - Lynched Day 10
taillesskangaru (Mace Windu, Innocent) - Killed Night 10
TheForestAuro (Padme Amidala, Innocent) - Killed Night 11
thomas.berubeg (General Grievous, Evil) - Killed Night 1
wideyedwanderer (Stormtrooper, Evil) - Lynched Day 7
Winston Hughes (Galen Marek, Innocent) - Killed Night 2


Wrath of George - 2

pevergreen (MagnaGuard, Neutral) - WoGed Day 3
Khazaar (PROXY, Innocent) - WoGed Night 8

choxorn
May 02, 2010, 01:47 PM
Updates


Teaser (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=9081868&postcount=2)

Night 0 (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=9151003#post9151003)

Day 1 (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=9157627#post9157627)

Night 1 (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=9160784&postcount=180)

Day 2 (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=9167448&postcount=355)

Night 2 (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=9171224&postcount=422)

Day 3 (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=9177068&)

Night 3 (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=9180247)

Day 4 (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=9186587&postcount=855)

Night 4 (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=9189442#post9189442)

Day 5 (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=9194642#post9194642)

Night 5 (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=9197755#post9197755)

Day 6 (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=9203897&postcount=1047)

Night 6 (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=9207625&postcount=1063)

Day 7 (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=9212594#post9212594)

Night 7 (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=9215888&postcount=1148)

Day 8 (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=9223972&postcount=1187)

Night 8 (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=9229252#post9229252)

Day 9 (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=9234977#post9234977)

Night 9 (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=9237636#post9237636)

Day 10 (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=9243727&postcount=1328)

Night 10 (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=9247404&posted=1#post9247404)

Day 11 (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=9253011#post9253011)

Night 11 (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=9255877&postcount=1435)

choxorn
May 02, 2010, 01:47 PM
And one more reserved...

choxorn
May 02, 2010, 01:48 PM
All right, that's probably enough, posting is now open.

RRRaskolnikov
May 02, 2010, 01:59 PM
Master, follow your teachings I must... that a new hope has come, delighted I am...

SS-18 ICBM
May 02, 2010, 02:23 PM
I vote we order Blue Milk (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Blue_milk) from the Cantina for everyone and then discuss matters over them.

Zack
May 02, 2010, 02:33 PM
Sorry if this wasn't made clear, but unlike Earthling's game, you may only lynch during the day.

Unless you have day abilities, of course.

Winston Hughes
May 02, 2010, 03:00 PM
I vote we order Blue Milk (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Blue_milk) from the Cantina for everyone and then discuss matters over them.

Blue milk? How perfectly vile...

I'll allow you to buy me a juri juice (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Juri_juice), though. :yup:

Nictel
May 02, 2010, 03:21 PM
In light of recent events I think I'll stick with water.

Double A
May 02, 2010, 03:29 PM
Blue milk? How perfectly vile...

I'll allow you to buy me a juri juice (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Juri_juice), though. :yup:

That sounds even more disgusting.

I vote we make contact with the planet Earth and steal some of their cows.

Takhisis
May 02, 2010, 03:43 PM
I have an ability stating "Takh wins the game". Can I use it now?

Renata
May 02, 2010, 03:52 PM
It's a trap!

(You think it means you win the game, but actually you wind up dead immediately on receipt of the PM. Namely, you get chucked into the Bantha pit.)

Autolycus
May 02, 2010, 03:56 PM
The Bantha pit? But Banthas are cuddly and herbivorous!!! Rolecall time!! Has anyone seen Civgeneral?

Zack
May 02, 2010, 03:59 PM
That reminds me...

classical_hero will be out of town for the first few days and won't be able to participate in the thread during that time.

Earthling
May 02, 2010, 04:05 PM
First person to suggest a tall glass of oil to drink must be a droid then.

Abstain for today.

choxorn
May 02, 2010, 04:10 PM
I have an ability stating "Takh wins the game". Can I use it now?

Go ahead, but beware of possible side-effects*.

*Side-Effects include drowsiness, runny nose, lack of fourth wall, headaches, vomiting, diarrhea, and death by anthrax.

Secura
May 02, 2010, 04:14 PM
*wave*

Has the game started yet or is this a preliminary thing to see if everyone's still playing? :3

Zack
May 02, 2010, 04:15 PM
The game has started.

Winston Hughes
May 02, 2010, 04:28 PM
That sounds even more disgusting.

To be perfectly honest, it is.

But after the first one, you're too drunk to care.

RRRaskolnikov
May 02, 2010, 04:30 PM
^^ This seems done for me... I'll make sure to order some next time at the cantina!

landlubber
May 02, 2010, 04:54 PM
Here, I am.
I have to say, that's all.

SS-18 ICBM
May 02, 2010, 05:06 PM
Blue milk? How perfectly vile...

I'll allow you to buy me a juri juice (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Juri_juice), though. :yup:

Only Sith don't like Blue Milk...

Winston Hughes.

Takhisis
May 02, 2010, 05:28 PM
Only a Sith deals in absolutes, SS-18 ICBM.
(no, I'm not voting you).

Renata
May 02, 2010, 05:37 PM
Go ahead, but beware of possible side-effects*.

*Side-Effects include drowsiness, runny nose, lack of fourth wall, headaches, vomiting, diarrhea, and death by anthrax Bantha.

See? I told you.

Renata
May 02, 2010, 05:38 PM
*wave*

Has the game started yet or is this a preliminary thing to see if everyone's still playing? :3

Welcome to CFC, Secura. :D

remake20
May 02, 2010, 06:07 PM
Why didn't you send me a PM telling me this started? Anyway... abstain

Zack
May 02, 2010, 06:13 PM
I thought a post in the sign-up thread was enough.

Were you not subscribed to it? :confused:

choxorn
May 02, 2010, 06:13 PM
Cause I was kicked off of the computer in the middle of sending PM's. I'll get back to that now.

remake20
May 02, 2010, 06:16 PM
I thought a post in the sign-up thread was enough.

Were you not subscribed to it? :confused:

I was gone until now, and I hadn't checked the sign-up thread yet. BTW who do we send abilities to? Zack, or Chorx NVM

Seon
May 02, 2010, 06:20 PM
Renata, that's not a nice welcome :)

Kennigit
May 02, 2010, 06:45 PM
Earthling

Why so loyal to Earth, eh?

Zack
May 02, 2010, 07:31 PM
Just a clarification on rules, since it has been brought to my attention.

You may transfer any items or credits to any player, unless the item says otherwise.

Methos
May 02, 2010, 07:33 PM
I'll vote abstain for now and pass me some of that milk.

TheLastOne36
May 02, 2010, 07:58 PM
Renata, you mean. :(

remake20
May 02, 2010, 08:00 PM
abstain

Renta

Mean he is! And he's on the staff!

Seon
May 02, 2010, 08:13 PM
renata remake20. Jumping on the bandwagon like that eh?

Secura
May 02, 2010, 08:20 PM
Welcome to CFC, Secura. :D

I should have guessed that you would provide me with such a warm welcome, treacle. :lol:

I, on the other hand, will abstain for the moment.

TheLastOne36
May 02, 2010, 08:22 PM
I with Seon, third bandwaggoner is always mafia! :shifty:

remake20
May 02, 2010, 08:25 PM
Whoops, didn't mean to post that.

pevergreen
May 02, 2010, 08:26 PM
I should have guessed that you would provide me with such a warm welcome, treacle. :lol:

I, on the other hand, will abstain for the moment.

Vote: Secura

Why?

Renata
May 02, 2010, 08:26 PM
I should have guessed that you would provide me with such a warm welcome, treacle. :lol:

I aim to please. :)

I, on the other hand, will abstain for the moment.

In other news, I think I promised Niklas a vote today. (Secura)

Secura
May 02, 2010, 08:29 PM
Vote: Secura

Why?

You've played games with me over at the Org, pever, and you still haven't figured out how I play?

I don't bandy votes around willy-nilly, and I'm certainly not going to do so in my first game here when I'd like to see how everyone behaves first.

I'm off to sleep, many things to do over the bank holiday... darn employment training. -_-'

thomas.berubeg
May 02, 2010, 09:02 PM
I am here... not sure for how long I have my hololink, but, I am here

Double A
May 02, 2010, 10:41 PM
In the absence of Beefy, I will be voting for the next best thing.

vote: peever the green

TheForestAuro
May 03, 2010, 02:32 AM
This is totally, completely out of hand, I swear! I mean...




...Where was the ketchup lover in the script!? Ludicrous!

Lord OST
May 03, 2010, 02:52 AM
Ug ug good people of this galaxy. Lokking forward to pwn ya all :)
Abstain for now :(

taillesskangaru
May 03, 2010, 04:06 AM
I'm not bandwagoning anyone today. Abstain.

johnhughthom
May 03, 2010, 05:08 AM
Winston Hughes.

RRRaskolnikov
May 03, 2010, 05:13 AM
Welcome on cfc Secura!

I'm not bandwagoning anyone today. Abstain.

Preemptive strike so you don't start tomorrow taillesskangaru! :)

PS: Starting bandwagons guys??? On Master??????? :huh:

Renata
May 03, 2010, 05:44 AM
I KNOW. What are they thinking?

Winston Hughes
May 03, 2010, 06:09 AM
Winston Hughes.

Darth johnhughthom... Only you could be so bold. :mad:

Khazaar
May 03, 2010, 06:14 AM
So there´s murdercatsup? Vile....

Abstain

TheLastOne36
May 03, 2010, 06:36 AM
Winston Hughes for such bastardly tactics against johnhughtom.

johnhughthom
May 03, 2010, 06:40 AM
Winston Hughes for such bastardly tactics against johnhughtom.

I think he got the quote wrong anyway, wasn't it Tarkin Leia said that to?

"Darth johnhughthom, I recognised your foul stench the moment the game started" would have been a much more amusing post. Or maybe I've got them mixed up?

taillesskangaru
May 03, 2010, 08:13 AM
Preemptive strike so you don't start tomorrow taillesskangaru! :)

PS: Starting bandwagons guys??? On Master??????? :huh:

What the hell... alright, you asked for it RRRaskolnikov

Earthling
May 03, 2010, 08:16 AM
All right, I can't sit idly by and watch these ridiculous claims, so I'll

unAbstain vote: Double A

RRRaskolnikov
May 03, 2010, 08:34 AM
What the hell... alright, you asked for it RRRaskolnikov

Indeed Darth OMGUS :scan:

Love
May 03, 2010, 08:55 AM
I'm going to go ahead and abstain.

Winston Hughes
May 03, 2010, 09:48 AM
I think he got the quote wrong anyway, wasn't it Tarkin Leia said that to?

Two different quotes. Mine was from right at the beginning of A New Hope. I was saving the Tarkin one for later. :sad:

Winston Hughes for such bastardly tactics against johnhughtom.

Eh? I'm just responding to his usual first day vote in the usual manner.

You, on the other hand, are third on the bandwagon, which might be interpreted as an attempt to actually get me lynched...

CivGeneral
May 03, 2010, 11:24 AM
I Abstain from the vote. As of now, it's too early to judge.

TheLastOne36
May 03, 2010, 12:57 PM
I think he got the quote wrong anyway, wasn't it Tarkin Leia said that to?

"Darth johnhughthom, I recognised your foul stench the moment the game started" would have been a much more amusing post. Or maybe I've got them mixed up?
Dunno, I never watched Star Wars! :p

@Winston, am I not the second one to vote on you?

Takhisis
May 03, 2010, 01:50 PM
I guess I'll abstain, I've been out of touch and have found three dozen unread posts in this thread alone.
Sadly, I don't have the time to spam things up with my beloved lolcats any longer. However, as from the end of July... *insert maniacal laughter and meowing here*.

remake20
May 03, 2010, 03:50 PM
Lolcats? Sweet.

Have I voted? If not abstain

EDIT: Well... looks like I did vote. BTW can we get miday updates?

Winston Hughes
May 03, 2010, 04:07 PM
@Winston, am I not the second one to vote on you?

Nope. You are the third, after SS-10 (milk-related) and john (history-related). Yours I cannot seem to make sense of, though.

Zack
May 03, 2010, 04:15 PM
Lolcats? Sweet.

Have I voted? If not abstain

EDIT: Well... looks like I did vote. BTW can we get miday updates?
Yes, twice already. ;)

That's the plan.

choxorn
May 03, 2010, 04:16 PM
Dunno, I never watched Star Wars! :p


Go watch them. Niao.

Bad Player
May 03, 2010, 04:24 PM
Abstaining probably until near the end of today.

Takhisis
May 03, 2010, 04:26 PM
Is this joint GM-ing going to mean that both of you will post one after the other?

Zack
May 03, 2010, 04:27 PM
Midday 1

Most of the citizens of Lucasville opted to lynch no one on the first day, since they knew hardly anything and didn't want to possibly kill an important player. However, those that did vote made their choices based largely on the player's choice of beverage and who voted for them.


Tally

Abstain: 9 (Love, Lord OST, CivGeneral, remake20, Methos, Secura, Khazaar, Takhisis, Bad Player)
Winston Hughes: 3 (johnhughthom, TheLastOne36, SS-18 ICBM)
taillesskangaru: 1 (RRRaskolnikov)
RRRaskolnikov: 1 (taillesskangaru)
Double A: 1 (Earthling)
Niklas: 1 (Renata)
Earthling: 1 (Kennigit)
remake20: 1 (Seon)
CivGeneral: 1 (Autolycus)
pevergreen: 1 (Double A)
johnhughthom: 1 (Wintson Hughes)
Secura: 1 (pevergreen)

PaulusIII
May 03, 2010, 04:29 PM
Abstain. There's no reason to vote anything else right now.

SS-18 ICBM
May 03, 2010, 04:30 PM
This town is too weak-willed.

Shadowbound
May 03, 2010, 04:31 PM
Abstain, while I bury myself in this stein of bubbly and possibly alcoholic beverage.

Bad Player
May 03, 2010, 04:32 PM
First day lynchings rarely get a villain. The mafia can easily sway bandwagons.

RRRaskolnikov
May 03, 2010, 05:19 PM
Been a long time Paulus! :beer:

remake20
May 03, 2010, 05:26 PM
Oh wait, it's just now midday? :confused: I think I missed something I need to go read.

Takhisis
May 03, 2010, 05:36 PM
Like, for example, the OP? :mischief:

Zack
May 03, 2010, 05:51 PM
You did read the first update, remake?

Day is roughly 24 hours from now.

Autolycus
May 03, 2010, 06:02 PM
I see Civgeneral has graced us with his presence. What about thomas.berubeg?

remake20
May 03, 2010, 06:03 PM
Okay sorry, I thought an extra day went passed :p. I see. So updates come around this time?

Kennigit
May 03, 2010, 06:06 PM
Are the GM posts going to be very consistent time of day? Earthling was very consistent with his 9:00 PM EST posting, but I understand it's tough for some GMs to be able to do that.

Zack
May 03, 2010, 06:11 PM
Updates should be about 530 US Central time, and should be pretty consistent.

remake20
May 03, 2010, 06:13 PM
Forget this question

Arakhor
May 03, 2010, 06:16 PM
Three pages in two days? Geez!! If there are more abstainers than voters for anyone, is no one lynched that day?

Well, that was a rainy Bank Holiday, eh Secura? Then again, aren't they all? :)

choxorn
May 03, 2010, 06:25 PM
In other words, around 10:30 PM GMT.

Zack
May 03, 2010, 06:29 PM
If there are more abstainers than voters for anyone, is no one lynched that day?
Yes.

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Takhisis
May 03, 2010, 06:36 PM
Is this joint GM-ing going to mean that both of you will post one after the other?
Self-comment: Guess the answer is yes.

Zack
May 03, 2010, 06:52 PM
I assure you that isn't intentional. :lol:

Secura
May 03, 2010, 07:23 PM
Welcome on cfc Secura!

Herro. ^_^

Well, that was a rainy Bank Holiday, eh Secura? Then again, aren't they all? :)

T'was relatively sunny in the North-West. :lol:

Takhisis
May 03, 2010, 08:36 PM
Secura, do you live in the reasonable part of the UK or south of the Wall?

Earthling
May 03, 2010, 08:58 PM
Well, I have something to bring to everyone's attention as it has come to mine, and I would like to address it while we have time; much time may have been lost already.

Somebody has placed a bounty on my life.

I am very certain this information is accurate; the bounty is for 13 credits, whatever scum is greedy enough to want to kill me or have me killed for such. Now, the first thing I would want to know is what is behind all of this, and as well I think perhaps it would be wise of me to request protection if anyone can do so or give me an item to help defend myself tonight.

I honestly cannot say there's a clear way to determine who has done this on my own. Certainly I have talked to a few but they may be just as well innocent or being framed or something more complicated. As far as I can tell, everyone could have the motive, the opportunity, and possibly the means, simply any evil/greedy/bounty hunter could be behind this and I don't know who you all are.

So I will let everyone know I intend to get to the bottom of this. And I believe it can be verified in due time that I, at least, am telling the truth - in fact, if any person out there already knows about this bounty, and is not actually aligned with cabals of evil villains and wants to show they are not a threat, I recommend talking to me or everyone in public.

wideyedwanderer
May 03, 2010, 10:18 PM
Abstain.

Lord OST
May 04, 2010, 04:28 AM
If we lynch you, who gets that money? "Change?" :)

Arakhor
May 04, 2010, 04:56 AM
Why would anyone bounty you in the first turn, Earthling? That doesn't make sense.

CST is GMT -6, not -5 :)

Lord OST
May 04, 2010, 05:32 AM
Why would anyone bounty you in the first turn, Earthling? That doesn't make sense.
I bet you know Arakhor.

RRRaskolnikov
May 04, 2010, 05:47 AM
Somebody has placed a bounty on my life.

I am very certain this information is accurate; the bounty is for 13 credits

How do you know this? (because till you reply, it really looks like you made this up to know about potential scanner abilities from other folks)

Arakhor
May 04, 2010, 06:19 AM
I bet you know Arakhor.

Believe me, I really don't. If I knew the answer, I wouldn't ask it publicly and have paranoid people like you think I was scum :)

Bad Player
May 04, 2010, 06:33 AM
It doesn't say in the rules IIRC but I assume a bounty would be made public by the GM otherwise how would bounty hunters know about the bounty? :confused: GM clarification???

Capt Blackadder
May 04, 2010, 06:41 AM
Here is hoping that my ship can get back up and running

Vote Thelastone36

For never having watched Star Wars.

RRRaskolnikov
May 04, 2010, 06:43 AM
I assumed hunters receive a daily update about bounties... but a clarification would be welcomed yeah :)

Bad Player
May 04, 2010, 06:45 AM
So there is a bounty hunter faction maybe??

johnhughthom
May 04, 2010, 06:48 AM
I would have thought bounty hunters operated independently as they are all in competition with each other.

Niklas
May 04, 2010, 06:59 AM
BOUNTIES
Any player may anonymously put up a bounty for another player. If you wish to put up a bounty, PM me or choxorn. If the bounty is claimed, then that person will attempt to kill the player. If they succeed, they will get paid by the player who put up the bounty (anonymously). The amount of credits a bounty is worth MUST be specified when it is put up. Anyone can put up a bounty, but not everyone can claim one unless your Role PM specifically states that you can.
Doesn't say whether the bounty is made public, or only broadcast to those who can actually claim it. Still, at this point I don't really see any reason to go out of our way to keep Earthling alive. Just like Ras I can't help wonder if this is an attempt to draw out pre-town roles like defenders. The purpose may be noble for all we know, but why take such a risk?

Kennigit
May 04, 2010, 07:27 AM
I'm guessing the ones who have a Role PM that specifically states they can take bounties are notified when bounties come up (like Raskolnikov said?).

It seems to me someone wealthy is simply testing the bounty system and the bounty hunters' responsiveness.

Anyways, Earthling either made quick work getting people on his side (to have a bounty hunter inform Earthling about a bounty) or is possibly a bounty hunter himself. In any case, 13 credits the first day for the head of Earthling, whom I'm guessing few people have actual info about? Seems arbitrary- a test of the system.

That said, why must we protect you Earthling?

Zack
May 04, 2010, 07:29 AM
Clarification: Bounties are NOT made public.

Renata
May 04, 2010, 07:38 AM
I see Civgeneral has graced us with his presence. What about thomas.berubeg?

He'd already posted. :scan:

Renata
May 04, 2010, 07:41 AM
Well, I have something to bring to everyone's attention as it has come to mine, and I would like to address it while we have time; much time may have been lost already.

Somebody has placed a bounty on my life.

I am very certain this information is accurate; the bounty is for 13 credits, whatever scum is greedy enough to want to kill me or have me killed for such. Now, the first thing I would want to know is what is behind all of this, and as well I think perhaps it would be wise of me to request protection if anyone can do so or give me an item to help defend myself tonight.

I honestly cannot say there's a clear way to determine who has done this on my own. Certainly I have talked to a few but they may be just as well innocent or being framed or something more complicated. As far as I can tell, everyone could have the motive, the opportunity, and possibly the means, simply any evil/greedy/bounty hunter could be behind this and I don't know who you all are.

So I will let everyone know I intend to get to the bottom of this. And I believe it can be verified in due time that I, at least, am telling the truth - in fact, if any person out there already knows about this bounty, and is not actually aligned with cabals of evil villains and wants to show they are not a threat, I recommend talking to me or everyone in public.

It's way too early in the morning for this.

Earthling
May 04, 2010, 07:42 AM
AHAHA, interesting. I'm not going to betray a concerned citizen who has already helped me greatly and perhaps saved my life. All of you having nothing to say in private is either ominous or perhaps means you really had nothing to do with this. But the bounty is out there, and now that I'm all caught up on some things, and have good reason to suspect something, I'm going to unvote Double A and

Niklas, Jabba the Hut, must die. Seems like it's worth getting rid of him even if it is the first day, we all know Jabba would turn to any lawless scum's side to satisfy his greed, even if it's not him who wants me dead, which seems likley.

Renata
May 04, 2010, 07:44 AM
How do you know this? (because till you reply, it really looks like you made this up to know about potential scanner abilities from other folks)

Do you mean protectors? That would make sense, scanners not so much unless there's something I'm missing.

RRRaskolnikov
May 04, 2010, 07:55 AM
Do you mean protectors? That would make sense, scanners not so much unless there's something I'm missing.

In fact the following made me think he was looking for any information about possible abilities (I said scanners, but I could have said protectors yeah). It sounded to me as a trap for reveals.

if any person out there already knows about this bounty, and is not actually aligned with cabals of evil villains and wants to show they are not a threat, I recommend talking to me or everyone in public.

Earthling
May 04, 2010, 08:00 AM
If that by you mean I'm asking if anyone specifically knows about bounties then yes, if you are a bounty hunter, you probably don't want to reveal to me, sure. But if you are a bounty hunter and working against the town from the start, I can't promise things will go well for you, and would consider me an enemy.

Furthermore, I find it curious that Niklas almost immediately seemed to know about this bounty, and at the same time said I was lying. If anyone can confirm this bounty exists, which it does, then we're well on the way to some progress.

Doesn't say whether the bounty is made public, or only broadcast to those who can actually claim it. Still, at this point I don't really see any reason to go out of our way to keep Earthling alive.

RRRaskolnikov
May 04, 2010, 08:05 AM
If that by you mean I'm asking if anyone specifically knows about bounties then yes, if you are a bounty hunter, you probably don't want to reveal to me, sure. But if you are a bounty hunter and working against the town from the start, I can't promise things will go well for you, and would consider me an enemy.

I love threatening posts with 4 "if" in two sentences... How about this one: If I were you, I would stop Earthling...

Renata
May 04, 2010, 08:26 AM
I'm asking to be replaced before I do something stupid and completely ruin the game. Have fun all.

And to everyone I've talked to thus far, and especially to Zack and choxorn, I'm sorry.

Khazaar
May 04, 2010, 08:34 AM
I presume you´ve talked to a lot of people and solved the game? How´s that possible on day one? Gamesetup error, IM reveal?
As far as I remember this is not the first time you managed to do this...

Renata
May 04, 2010, 08:36 AM
No, it's something entirely different.

Niklas
May 04, 2010, 08:48 AM
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/7560/jabbathehutt.png

I was going to wait with this until night had fallen, to be in my proper element. But apparently Earthling is seeing shadows in the middle of the day, so I might as well.

I, dear friends, am Jabba the Hutt. I may look grotesque to some, but I assure you, I am really quite a nice chap. Quite nice indeed. And I provide a very valuable community service too, I should point out. At a very modest price, too. Very modest.

What service, you may ask? Why, I facilitate the market around here. Flow of goods, boost of commerce, influx of revenue, free happiness for all, that sort of thing. But most importantly for our current situation: I run the auctions. Got an item to sell? I'm your man. Well, Hutt, but still.

I will make this very clear from the beginning: I don't care about your petty feuding. Killing is certainly bad for business, but sometimes inevitable. Still, I take no interest in it. I am, for all purposes, a neutral party. I don't care if you style yourself innocent or evil, such details bore me. Money talks.

I have already acquired a few useful trinkets that could be of good use to many. I will not name them until tomorrow though, when the bidding will start, for fear of thieving hands.

Also, as a neutral, allow me to offer my services to this town, for free. People will die. Items will come up for voting. Vote those items to me. I will get a description, and I will then put the item up for auctioning, with the description of what it does. I will split any revenue from auctions done this way among those who voted the item to me, with uneven splits being decided by the order the votes were cast. Full transparency, helping the innocents of this city to keep track of the items that go around.

Seems like it's worth getting rid of him even if it is the first day, we all know Jabba would turn to any lawless scum's side to satisfy his greed...
How come you know me so well? You are right though - if a lawless scum came to me with an item to sell, then I would sell it. With no second thoughts and no questions asked. Why should I care? As long as the commerce keeps flowing, I'm satisfied. I provide a useful community service, I am no law enforcement agency. If you find that a reason to have me killed, I can only wonder what reasons you have to be paranoid.

As for me putting a bounty on someone's head - you must be joking. Why would I squander money on having a potential customer killed? The only reason I could ever have for wanting someone killed is if they make it personal. You're well on your way, but I swear: If I will ever put a bounty on your head, I will do it publicly.

To any other neutral parties out there, with useful services to sell: Since I am now already a public figure, I offer to be your contact, keeping your name and face anonymous to presumptive clients. Feel free to contact me via private channels. I may even see fit to purchase some services myself, at times. We may be rivals in terms of victory condition (only one can have the most money at the end), but it's a long way until such considerations needs to be made. As such, there is no reason why we cannot be civil and work together for mutual gain.

To anyone looking to attack me: I am already protected. I can certainly be lynched to death, should anyone be so inclined, but I remind you that I provide a useful community service. Do you?

Earthling
May 04, 2010, 08:59 AM
:rolleyes:As far as I can tell, credits and auctions serve about zero purpose right now, except to potentially get items to bad guys, as Jabba might want. I understand it is possible that several characters may have a purpose to gather credits and perhaps that is the only way we Innocents can bargain with them later, but surely they don't want to be outmarked by Jabba either.

However, instead of going off and trusting Jabba now, as he's already caused chaos by trying to get me killed, perhaps playing off of the last game, we have better alternatives. How about keeping the items out of the hands of a "neutral who will put them up to sale" altogether? And if only bounty hunters/evildoers in general need credits, then any real Innocent is safe just holding onto their own. Should someone have an actual ability that is helpful and needs credits I'd be willing to share; Jabba is about the worst option.

Guess this makes the vote simpler though. Anyone who needs to talk to me in private should do so as I can't really reveal who's told me what here. And there's still that bounty which I'm sure many of you DO know about and I could use some protection.

Huts are not known for their speaking abilities and all that's he's said comes to down this - he's been caught messing around with bounty hunters and generally being scum. I assure you I am the better alternative.

Niklas
May 04, 2010, 09:31 AM
Oh boy, I had managed to forget since the last game that I need to speak very slowly for you to understand what I'm saying. Let me try again then.

:rolleyes:As far as I can tell, credits and auctions serve about zero purpose right now, except to potentially get items to bad guys, as Jabba might want.
Care to explain this further? I don't see it. If I get my hands on an item intended for sale, either through someone giving it privately or through being voted it, the only thing I can do with it is put it up for an auction. Because if I don't, that's the end of my business right there, and probably my life as well. What part of "Full transparency" did you fail to understand? The latter word may be long, but it basically means that everything will be visible to you and everyone else.

I understand it is possible that several characters may have a purpose to gather credits and perhaps that is the only way we Innocents can bargain with them later, but surely they don't want to be outmarked by Jabba either.
Which I already said in my post.

However, instead of going off and trusting Jabba now, as he's already caused chaos by trying to get me killed, perhaps playing off of the last game, we have better alternatives.
I do not meta-game, period. I am not after your life. I have not been trying to have you killed. Yet. And I repeat my promise to make it public when I do.

How about keeping the items out of the hands of a "neutral who will put them up to sale" altogether?
Whyever is that a better alternative? With me you get full transparency (there's that long word again, sorry). With anyone else, you must ask what agenda they have. Even confirmed "innocents" would have a faction agenda.

And if only bounty hunters/evildoers in general need credits, then any real Innocent is safe just holding onto their own.
Say what? Whatever makes you believe that innocents would not be helped by credits? I do not presume to know what abilities are out there that deal with credits in any capacity, but at the very least I know that credits will let you buy things from me. How is that not useful? :)

Should someone have an actual ability that is helpful and needs credits I'd be willing to share; Jabba is about the worst option.
You sound as if I've asked people to give me their money. Quite the opposite in fact, I've offered my auction services for free. That means I won't charge anything, nor keep any part of the revenue for myself.

Guess this makes the vote simpler though. Anyone who needs to talk to me in private should do so as I can't really reveal who's told me what here.
Read: "If I were to say these things in public, the lies would be refuted."

And there's still that bounty which I'm sure many of you DO know about and I could use some protection.
And why would anyone want to protect you? That's a genuine question, not just an in your face. What makes you a valuable asset?

Huts are not known for their speaking abilities and all that's he's said comes to down this - he's been caught messing around with bounty hunters and generally being scum.
Pure lies. Lies fester in the private, why don't you share with me what you have learnt, and let those who know something about it refute your statements? The answer should be obvious. :rolleyes:

I assure you I am the better alternative.
:lol: Then work up your debating skills, kiddo. Right now I'm not seeing any.

SS-18 ICBM
May 04, 2010, 10:07 AM
As long as someone dies, it's all good.

Methos
May 04, 2010, 10:38 AM
Let's see...

Earthling claims to have a bounty on his head and is requesting protection, yet we have no proof that any such bounty exists.

Earthling seems to be seeking others to trust him with information, yet we have no reason or evidence to trust him.

Earthling is using the basis of his bounty (again, no proof it exists) to get others to trust him.

I currently don't trust Niklas either, as Jabba the Hut isn't one we can trust, but I'm also not seeing a reason for why Niklas would assign a bounty (if one exists) on Earthling.

So far, all I'm seeing is smoke and mirrors and it appears its all being created by Earthling. I'm removing my vote on Abstain.

Bad Player
May 04, 2010, 10:55 AM
Earthling* was it the GM who told you that there is a bounty on your head?

*not a vote against earthling

Bad Player
May 04, 2010, 10:55 AM
Question kinda answered

Lord OST
May 04, 2010, 12:01 PM
Good rhetoric Niklas, but I think I like better Earthlings politics.
Maybe Im naive not following our brother, Methos, resonation. Hope not.
vote for Arakhor was just for voting

Takhisis
May 04, 2010, 12:44 PM
Too bad I can't vote for both of you. Why don't you reveal as well, Earthling?

Arakhor
May 04, 2010, 01:39 PM
I think I have to agree with Methos. Earthling has somehow revealed someone's identity, learnt a supposedly secret bounty and is already throwing down a lot of threats, all on Day One. If even half of what he says is true, allegedly learning all of that within 48 hours of the game beginning heavily suggests a Mafia role.

Autolycus
May 04, 2010, 02:26 PM
I agree with Methos as well. thomas.berubeg. Earthling has some serious explaining to do.

remake20
May 04, 2010, 02:30 PM
I too agree with Methos abstain Earthling

Krill
May 04, 2010, 03:50 PM
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/7560/jabbathehutt.png

I was going to wait with this until night had fallen, to be in my proper element. But apparently Earthling is seeing shadows in the middle of the day, so I might as well.

I, dear friends, am Jabba the Hutt. I may look grotesque to some, but I assure you, I am really quite a nice chap. Quite nice indeed. And I provide a very valuable community service too, I should point out. At a very modest price, too. Very modest.

What service, you may ask? Why, I facilitate the market around here. Flow of goods, boost of commerce, influx of revenue, free happiness for all, that sort of thing. But most importantly for our current situation: I run the auctions. Got an item to sell? I'm your man. Well, Hutt, but still.

I will make this very clear from the beginning: I don't care about your petty feuding. Killing is certainly bad for business, but sometimes inevitable. Still, I take no interest in it. I am, for all purposes, a neutral party. I don't care if you style yourself innocent or evil, such details bore me. Money talks.

I have already acquired a few useful trinkets that could be of good use to many. I will not name them until tomorrow though, when the bidding will start, for fear of thieving hands.

Also, as a neutral, allow me to offer my services to this town, for free. People will die. Items will come up for voting. Vote those items to me. I will get a description, and I will then put the item up for auctioning, with the description of what it does. I will split any revenue from auctions done this way among those who voted the item to me, with uneven splits being decided by the order the votes were cast. Full transparency, helping the innocents of this city to keep track of the items that go around.


How come you know me so well? You are right though - if a lawless scum came to me with an item to sell, then I would sell it. With no second thoughts and no questions asked. Why should I care? As long as the commerce keeps flowing, I'm satisfied. I provide a useful community service, I am no law enforcement agency. If you find that a reason to have me killed, I can only wonder what reasons you have to be paranoid.

As for me putting a bounty on someone's head - you must be joking. Why would I squander money on having a potential customer killed? The only reason I could ever have for wanting someone killed is if they make it personal. You're well on your way, but I swear: If I will ever put a bounty on your head, I will do it publicly.

To any other neutral parties out there, with useful services to sell: Since I am now already a public figure, I offer to be your contact, keeping your name and face anonymous to presumptive clients. Feel free to contact me via private channels. I may even see fit to purchase some services myself, at times. We may be rivals in terms of victory condition (only one can have the most money at the end), but it's a long way until such considerations needs to be made. As such, there is no reason why we cannot be civil and work together for mutual gain.

To anyone looking to attack me: I am already protected. I can certainly be lynched to death, should anyone be so inclined, but I remind you that I provide a useful community service. Do you?

Note for everyone else: Probably true that Niklas can auction items, but that doesn't make him an innocent. I'm a little bit sceptical that he is a pure innocent...especially when he claims to be protected and have that ability.

Stuck in Pi
May 04, 2010, 04:39 PM
Wait, we're doing full reveals already? Things have changed in the month I've been out.

I'm not sure I want to place any votes until I hear Earthling's role. abstain for now.

Earthling
May 04, 2010, 05:01 PM
Ok, just to prevent weirdness, and since the update hasn't happened yet (?), let me unvote: Niklas

abstain

Some things I ought to say after night actually begins I'll then share.

Zack
May 04, 2010, 05:07 PM
It's in 23 minutes.

landlubber
May 04, 2010, 05:07 PM
I dunno, this whole thing is very odd. Earthling.

RRRaskolnikov
May 04, 2010, 05:10 PM
I will abstain as well finally... don't want another LOTR start (unvote: tailleskanguru)

Methos
May 04, 2010, 05:12 PM
Earlier today I PM'ed Earthling questioning him on his actions and requesting answers. I was hoping he'd give me some evidence or reasoning for his statments, but instead his reply was this:

Added to scum list, though with you I can never be sure.


Seems a rather scummy statement to me. Heck, he won't even reply in the thread to statements he made publicly. Smells like scum to me...

Methos
May 04, 2010, 05:15 PM
Some things I ought to say after night actually begins I'll then share.

Now that's even a more scummy statement to make. You want to wait until night time starts? What, do you not fear being killed at night? Maybe because you do the killing?

Also, with people currently voting for you, why not explain your very posts? Heck, you want people to vote for Niklas, yet you don't give your evidence? Or are you afraid that the evidence you have, or don't have, is going to cause us to lynch you because of it?

I don't like how you're ignoring questions regarding statements you've made. I sure hope no one has been stupid enough to share info with Earthling.

Earthling
May 04, 2010, 05:19 PM
Niklas is Jabba the Hut and there's a bounty on me, and he explicitly lied to us all here (and others in private, most likely) about what his associations with bounty hunters are. Plus, he's not Innocent, and not likely to be pro-Innocent anytime soon. Surely the Rebels/Jedi have numbers so it's much safer for us to simply vote on items, where we can keep them out of evil hands, than give them to auction/sell to whomever.

Methos, everything you sent me has been sounding an awful lot like you're a bounty hunter just trying to scope me out and see if you can kill me tonight.

Anyway, I'll explain everything that needs to be known to whomever needs to know it. If Niklas could be vig-killed that would be nice, if anyone wants to help me defend myself against the bounty hunters that would be nice too.

I realize there is likely to be no lynch now so please just join me in abstaining all - if I live through the night all will be explained, if I die tonight it doesn't matter to me but you'll know who I am. Else if it looks like I'm getting lynched out here I'll reveal possibly damaging info at the last second, so I advise Innocents against that.

Niklas
May 04, 2010, 05:29 PM
Niklas is Jabba the Hut and there's a bounty on me, and he explicitly lied to us all here (and others in private, most likely) about what his associations with bounty hunters are.
I have lied to no one. You claim I lie, for what purposes I can't fathom, but that's just your paranoia talking.

Plus, he's not Innocent, and not likely to be pro-Innocent anytime soon.
Correct. I'm also not likely to be anti-Innocent anytime soon.

Surely the Rebels/Jedi have numbers so it's much safer for us to simply vote on items, where we can keep them out of evil hands, than give them to auction/sell to whomever.
Stupid stupid stupid. It's seems obvious you're just interested in hoarding yourself. I reiterate that even with "known" innocents (of which you certainly aren't one), you still have to wonder about faction motivations. With me - TRANSPARENCY.

Anyway, I'll explain everything that needs to be known to whomever needs to know it. If Niklas could be vig-killed that would be nice, if anyone wants to help me defend myself against the bounty hunters that would be nice too.
And why would anyone want to kill me? First, I am protected, and second, I am a moderate lynchbait. I'm a wasted kill for anyone, and a deathtrap to most.

More to the point though, why would anyone want to defend you? It's not like you've done anything other than cry for blood and vengeance over imagined slights. Not the kind of "innocent" I would want to work with, ever.

Else if it looks like I'm getting lynched out here I'll reveal possibly damaging info at the last second, so I advise Innocents against that.
You're actually threatening the innocents that you will harm their cause if they lynch you? Wow, how... noble. :rolleyes:

Abstain btw, I realized I hadn't voted yet.

Earthling
May 04, 2010, 05:31 PM
No, I would reveal information that I think would help the town, but say if the town discovered who Yoda was and wanted to lynch them, that would be damaging, and I'm not giving credit to collective mob intelligence right now. So whatever happens could possibly go wrong.

Methos
May 04, 2010, 05:31 PM
Methos, everything you sent me has been sounding an awful lot like you're a bounty hunter just trying to scope me out and see if you can kill me tonight.

Really? Let's see what everyone else thinks...

I'll be very upfront, but I have no reason to trust you at all and currently, I'm more inclined to believe you're the mafia. So far you've claimed a bounty on your head, yet you've given no evidence to prove it and no one else has come forward stating it has any truth.

Then, using your bounty claim, you ask for protection, thereby gaining you immediate contact with a pro-town character when we have no reason whatsoever to think you are pro-town yourself?

So far everything you've said and done has been extremely scummy and personally I'm more inclined to lynch you. What reason do I have, or any of us, to trust you at all?

Does that make me sound like a bounty hunter and like I'm trying to scope you out? Earthling, by now you should know better then to make such statements. I'm also surprised at how you've handled this so far.

Regarding your statements about Niklas not being innocent, that I agree with you. IMO he's out for himself, but you on the otherhand, I fear there's more to you on the scummy side.

Also note, you still haven't given any evidence towards your statements and no one has come forward to agree to them. Looks like you've made them up.

Let's think about this people. Why would someone put such a high bounty on anyone on the first day? Earthling isn't foolish enough to give out enough info about himself to make him such a target, so why? My guess is he made it up to gain contact info from pro-town players and that's what has me so worried.

Earthling
May 04, 2010, 05:34 PM
It's really very simple, but irrelevent now since we're not getting Jabba lynched today, though he really should go soon:

-I HAVE HAD A BOUNTY PUT ON ME, AND IN ALL LIKELIHOOD WILL BE ATTACKED

this has naturally caused me great concern is all and I'm being hounded on all sides to reveal people's info when I know I shouldn't, because I want to help the Innocents. Now that Jabba has gotten entangled in all sorts of lies/working with Mafia he's likely an enemy. I can't see why if I was anything but Innocent I'd try to invent a story about a bounty. Instead, the bounty exists and I am worried about getting killed; if I was a Sith or some mafia or something who could just kill any bounty hunter I wouldn't care.

Zack
May 04, 2010, 05:34 PM
Day 1


What started out as playful bantering about each player's beverage of choice mutated into full scale arguments, much to the horror of some of the accused. There was a late surge among some to lynch Earthling, but in the end most players agreed that no unlucky soul should be lynched on such a fine day (and more importantly, that someone should pass them the blue milk).


Tally

Abstain: 13 (Niklas, RRRaskolnikov, Shadowbound, Earthling, PaulusIII, wideyedwanderer, Stuck in Pi, Love, CivGeneral, Secura, Khazaar, Takhisis, Bad Player)
Earthling: 6 (Kennigit, landlubber, Autolycus, remake20, Methos, Arakhor)
Winston Hughes: 3 (johnhughthom, TheLastOne36, SS-18 ICBM)
Niklas: 1 (Renata)
remake20: 1 (Seon)
pevergreen: 1 (Double A)
johnhughthom: 1 (Wintson Hughes)
Secura: 1 (pevergreen)
Arakhor: 1 (Lord OST)
TheLastOne36: 1 (Capt Blackadder)

Not Voting (SHAME ON YOU! :mad:): 10 (Nictel, TheForestAuro, civplayah, Sepuku, classical_hero, thomas.berubeg, j65536d, link16, DrumStudent, Krill)



It is now NIGHT ONE. Night will end in approximately 24 hours.

Those with night orders, send them to choxorn!
Someone get me a ruby bliel (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ruby_bliel)!

Methos
May 04, 2010, 05:44 PM
Here's the problems I see.

-I HAVE HAD A BOUNTY PUT ON ME, AND IN ALL LIKELIHOOD WILL BE ATTACKED

Currently, you are the only one stating this. It's hard to believe when no one else has come forward and agree with you.

Now that Jabba has gotten entangled in all sorts of lies/working with Mafia he's likely an enemy.

This is another bad statement. You are stating that Niklas is working with the mafia, yet if you really are an innocent, then that's not something you would know.

I can't see why if I was anything but Innocent I'd try to invent a story about a bounty.

As I've already said, to gain contact with pro-town roles.

if I was a Sith or some mafia or something who could just kill any bounty hunter I wouldn't care.

Another falsehood. Even if you were Sith, bounty hunter, or something else, a bounty on you would still mean your death. We have no evidence to suggest otherwise.

You see my main problem with your statements is that you take your wild theories and falsehoods and state them as facts. When you consistently do that, its extremely difficult for me to take anything you say as truthful. I can only assume that since you consistently state falsehoods as facts, then all your statements are therefore falsehoods. Do you see my logic?

Niklas
May 04, 2010, 05:46 PM
Now that Jabba has gotten entangled in all sorts of lies/working with Mafia he's likely an enemy.
This is the third time you claim that I lie. Either it's all in your mind, in which case you are just stupid, or you're making it up, in which case you have a hidden/mafia agenda. I ask you again to put everything on the table. But since there is nothing for you to put on that table, you will naturally pretend you didn't hear me this time as well.

Earthling
May 04, 2010, 05:53 PM
Jabba the Hut will be dead by the end of tomorrow night, double-dead if I get killed thanks to his bounty hunters, unless the Innocents find a more important Sith or something to lynch tomorrow, so I don't have to explain anything to Niklas.

To the rest of you, I am an Innocent Rebel, and need to talk to any Jedi out there, but I understand you would be wary to trust me. If I could get protected, no other committment on your part (or well, anyone who could protect) that would be great though, because there is a bounty on me. Pretty much all the Mafia/bounty hunters probably know there is a bounty on me now so people who continue to deny it are going to look foolish in the end.

Takhisis
May 04, 2010, 06:08 PM
Niklas is Jabba the Hutt. So he's a fence-sitter, let's call him a neutral (not involved in the struggle between Republic.for now. He probably has some goons, at least Bib Fortuna.
Now, Earthling, how could you know that Niklas is Jabba without even getting a night scan on him? You either have some day phase ability or you knew from your Role PM. If so, then you're connected with him in some way and also shady. Which one is it, please?

O/T: btw can today be declared a Catuesday?

Double A
May 04, 2010, 06:16 PM
This town is too weak-willed.

BLEEP BLEEP SCUM TELL ALERT BLEEP BLEEP SCUM TELL ALERT ALL HANDS ON DECK

Am I the only one who saw this?

Takhisis
May 04, 2010, 06:19 PM
No. But there's too many positions in the Galaxy to know whether he's Sith/Empire/Separatist or something weirder... I don't know how far this stretches into the Extended universe. Any Nightsisters of Dathomir around?

Earthling
May 04, 2010, 06:28 PM
Yes, I saw SS-18 ICBM and his playing around statements or false hints or whatever, but I don't care. He can kill Niklas if he wants and is mafia, if not, I don't think it's a big deal and have so much more everyone wants me to explain. To answer those questions, like I've tried to say before:

-There is a bounty on me for 13 credits. By the way, if any bounty hunter has the guts to step up and verify this, you could actually, y'know, show you're not anti-Innocent scum.
-I was told about this and about Niklas being Jabba from separate people. Niklas has done a great job in panic mode/whatever but maybe he has the position of power and people to boss around like is possible. It's obvious he wanted to explicitly deny the bounty and panicked when it was discovered he was Jabba and could be hiring bounty hunters.

Also, for anyone who really doesn't get it - PM Zack or choxorn right now to place a 1-credit bounty on any random player. This will NOT BE ANNOUNCED TO THE TOWN. Thus Niklas and the bounty hunters must feel very confident pretending the bounty doesn't exist, cause I guess they don't get announced. They would have gotten away with it too if it weren't for those meddling kids and their droid. But it does exist, and so I probably could do with not getting killed if anyone wanted to talk to me or help out with that too.

I really can't say who else is Mafia or something, people have run the whole gambit of private messages and responses to me, way too many motivations/mistakes/misconceptions each of them could have or not have.

Zack
May 04, 2010, 06:34 PM
PM Zack or choxorn right now to place a 1-credit bounty
NO. PM choxorn for stuff like that.

Niklas
May 04, 2010, 06:42 PM
I was told about this and about Niklas being Jabba from separate people. Niklas has done a great job in panic mode/whatever but maybe he has the position of power and people to boss around like is possible. It's obvious he wanted to explicitly deny the bounty and panicked when it was discovered he was Jabba and could be hiring bounty hunters.
Emphasis by me, interesting choice of words. It was not "discovered" that I was Jabba. I shared that information freely, knowing fully well that I would go public with the information anyway. You heard about it from Renata who had heard about it from me personally. I had nothing to hide then, and I have nothing to hide now. All your "reveal" of me caused was for me to go public a bit earlier than I originally intended.

I have not explicitly denied the bounty on you. I have questioned it, as I still do, and many with me. It may well exist, since it would be a strange thing to claim if it didn't. But it doesn't explain how you know about it, if only those styled as "bounty hunters" get that information from the GMs. Are you yourself a bounty hunter? That seems the most likely explanation to me.

Methos
May 04, 2010, 06:44 PM
and panicked when it was discovered he was Jabba and could be hiring bounty hunters.

This is where you've screwed up. From everything I've seen, Niklas went around telling people that he was Jabba the Hut prior to you finding out. In fact, the person who told you also told at least one other person before you found out, so again, your making false statements.

Also, for anyone who really doesn't get it - PM Zack or choxorn right now to place a 1-credit bounty on any random player. This will NOT BE ANNOUNCED TO THE TOWN. Thus Niklas and the bounty hunters must feel very confident pretending the bounty doesn't exist, cause I guess they don't get announced. They would have gotten away with it too if it weren't for those meddling kids and their droid. But it does exist, and so I probably could do with not getting killed if anyone wanted to talk to me or help out with that too.

Or you could simply read the rules under the "Bounties" section and save your credits.

Edit: Cross posted with Niklas.

Earthling
May 04, 2010, 06:46 PM
This is getting ridiculous, you and the bounty hunters need to stop trying to pretend stuff isn't true when it is.

Let's do run this experiment. Random player X, I call on you to do one thing.

PM choxorn for a one-credit bounty on another random player Y. PM me and one other person, again randomly, and ONLY US who the bounty is on.

Then, whoever finds out about the one credit bounty, either publicly post, or confirm to me. Obviously at least 3 people will then know if you've actually confirmed that you can truthfully find out about bounties.

Except I do suspect no one will ever admit finding out about a bounty, because they/Niklas are all scum and bounty hunters and don't seem to want to help the Innocents. But at least then the original sender of the message will have proof that bounties are out there, including mine. And since it could be any entirely random player and I'm not asking anything more you don't really run much risk; in fact, multiple people could do this and have a lot of one-credit bounties.

Takhisis
May 04, 2010, 06:49 PM
Earthling, I'm beginning to think you're a bounty hunter yourself. OR you're lying and there's no bounty at all.
You heard about it from Renata who had heard about it from me personally.If that is why Renata says she wants out from the game, then I'd say stay.

EDIT: multi-crosspost.

Kennigit
May 04, 2010, 06:53 PM
Okay Earthling, you got some splaining to do. You're going around wildly, getting info from people (you claim), want jedis and bounty hunters to contact you..............yet do not have stuff on how you know about the bounty yourself or anything.

I joke voted for you, but now I am very suspicious.

Niklas
May 04, 2010, 06:57 PM
But at least then the original sender of the message will have proof that bounties are out there, including mine. And since it could be any entirely random player and I'm not asking anything more you don't really run much risk; in fact, multiple people could do this and have a lot of one-credit bounties.
Sigh. Zack already confirmed that bounties would not be made public, so running any experiments will prove nothing. I don't question that bounties exist, I don't question that there might be a bounty on your head. What I question is how come you have found out about it, unless you are a bounty hunter yourself. And I can't for the world understand why you've gotten it into your head that I would be behind any bounty on you, real or not.

I have asked you several times to put your data about me and my supposed dealings on the table, but you seem to conveniently "lalala can't hear you" whenever I mention that.

Kennigit
May 04, 2010, 07:00 PM
edit *snip*

Double A
May 04, 2010, 07:10 PM
No. But there's too many positions in the Galaxy to know whether he's Sith/Empire/Separatist or something weirder... I don't know how far this stretches into the Extended universe. Any Nightsisters of Dathomir around?

Uh... aren't all three of those bad?

Assuming we're all Republic or Rebels, that is.

fos: Takhisis

Takhisis
May 04, 2010, 07:21 PM
*noob* what does fos mean?

Zack
May 04, 2010, 07:25 PM
Finger of Suspicion. It's used much more frequently at the .org, first time I've ever seen it used here IIRC. Basically saying that you suspect someone is scum without actually voting for them (correct me if I am wrong).

Double A
May 04, 2010, 07:33 PM
Finger of Suspicion. It's used much more frequently at the .org, first time I've ever seen it used here IIRC. Basically saying that you suspect someone is scum without actually voting for them (correct me if I am wrong).

In a nutshell, yep.

Kennigit
May 04, 2010, 07:38 PM
Is Renata really withdrawing from the game? It appears it is a bad time for her to do so....

Who will take the role/how quickly?

choxorn
May 04, 2010, 07:44 PM
Is Renata really withdrawing from the game? It appears it is a bad time for her to do so....

Who will take the role/how quickly?

We're PMing people on the reserve list to find that out, of course. :p

Zack
May 04, 2010, 07:46 PM
I PMed Csargo.

SS-18 ICBM
May 04, 2010, 08:03 PM
his playing around statements

That would be slightly less amusing. Let the bodies hit the floor. :dance: :ar15: :run: :dance:

Takhisis
May 04, 2010, 08:23 PM
No. But there's too many positions in the Galaxy to know whether he's Sith/Empire/Separatist or something weirder... I don't know how far this stretches into the Extended universe. Any Nightsisters of Dathomir around?Uh... aren't all three of those bad?

Assuming we're all Republic or Rebels, that is.

fos: Takhisis
Ok, now that i know what that means, well, Jabba is not Republic and not a Rebel.
I don't think Palpatine is either. :p

Kennigit
May 04, 2010, 08:40 PM
Does anyone have some high midichlorian counts? I might want to speak to you.

wideyedwanderer
May 04, 2010, 09:06 PM
Abstain.

choxorn
May 04, 2010, 09:08 PM
Uh... it's night. :p

remake20
May 04, 2010, 09:08 PM
It's night, so there is no voting now.

Cross post with Chox.

wideyedwanderer
May 04, 2010, 09:12 PM
Sorry, guess I jumped the gun. I don't want to be on the :mad: list of people who didn't vote.

Link
May 04, 2010, 10:13 PM
i can tell you from experiance. its a terrible place to be

Zack
May 05, 2010, 07:26 AM
I made a mistake in the update, night is only 24 hours long. Night ends in about 10 hours.

SEND NIGHT ACTIONS TO CHOXORN.

Lord OST
May 05, 2010, 10:16 AM
An other mistake. I changed vote from Arakhor to Niklas.

Earthling
May 05, 2010, 05:30 PM
Keep forgetting about the updates on off-hour times and all, it's ok of course, even ok this night got shortened, just reminds me since I made it online in time I ought to say something in case I die tonight. If I die it will be obvious who I am etc, but my top suspicions after Jabba (top priority to lynch except any Sith) are Methos for another Mafia faction (as in, not a bounty hunter or neutral, just a regular mafia who doesn't want Innocents alive/confirmed in public) and Lord OST is a bounty hunter who found out the bounty on me, but he never tried to warn me or help me out besides half-heartedly voting around in public, so just on the spot to make a convincing case. Hope I live and can explain more if some baddies die tonight instead though but got to cover the bases.

Zack
May 05, 2010, 05:58 PM
Sorry I was hanging out with a friend and forgot about this; consequently the update will be about 45 minutes late (I'm estimating). Apologies. I'm writing it as we speak.

Kennigit
May 05, 2010, 06:20 PM
Shoot. Well, this update may be a big one.

Zack
May 05, 2010, 06:27 PM
Night 1


General Grievous stalked out to meet his prey, Love. As the General twirled his lightsabers in the air, he was astonished when he saw that Love wasn't cowering in fear. "Do you know who I am?!" the General demanded ferociously. Love calmly replied, "Why yes. You're the former general, Grievous." Grievous was puzzled. "What do you mean, former general?" Love only smiled, and before anyone knew it, General Grievous was dead.

thomas.berubeg was Evil!He was a member of the Sith faction!
Boba Fett flew on his jetpack over to meet the one with the bounty, Earthling. However, just as Boba was dreaming of credits and money, as he was about to pull the trigger and end Earthling's life, he heard a noise. In fact, it was a rather large noise. He looked around and found Renata sprinting towards him. Desperately Boba tried to fire at Renata, but his normally deadly accurate aim missed his target in his rush. Renata slammed into Boba Fett and tackled him to the ground, allowing Earthling to escape. Renata then scrambled up and ran away with Earthling, but before they got too far out of range, Earthling turned around and shot Boba in the shoulder. Boba Fett is injured. Earthling then spun around and dashed off into the night. Earthling was protected by Renata.

Darth Maul grinned an evil, mischievous grin as he pulled his black hood over his tattooed face. He was bloodthirsty, and tonight his thirst would be quenched. He jumped onto his speeder and went to find Renata, his unfortunate victim. When Renata found Maul staring her down, he knew his doom was imminent. Such scum were no match for the awesome power of the Force, and Maul threw Renata against the wall with devastating force (no pun intended) to drive his point home. Maul then walked calmly over to Renata's body and plunged down with his lightsaber. Renata was dead.

Chewbacca was Innocent!He was a member of the Rebel Alliance!
Determined to set some justice in the world, Samuel Jackson Mace Windu set out in search of SS-18 ICBM. Mace looked far and wide, but he couldn't find SS-18 anywhere. He was just... gone. Disappointed, Mace trudged back to his home to get some sleep. SS-18 ICBM was safe!


Night Summary
General Grievous (thomas.berubeg attacked Love, who fended off his attack and killed him.
Boba Fett set out to kill Earthling, but found him to be protected by Renata. Boba Fett is injured.
Darth Maul killed Renata.
Mace Windu failed to vigilante kill SS-18 ICBM.


It is now DAY TWO. Day will end in approximately 48 hours.

Income has been generated!
Scan results have been sent!
Lynch votes in Bold.
Support votes in Green.

Renata
May 05, 2010, 06:30 PM
Well so much for re-joining the game.

Double A
May 05, 2010, 06:35 PM
# Mace Windu failed to vigilante kill SS-18 ICBM.

That, on top of the quote I made, is a good enough reason for me.

vote: SS-18 ICBM

Bad Player
May 05, 2010, 06:49 PM
GM clarification - does this mean that Boba Fett cannot vote today?

Zack
May 05, 2010, 06:52 PM
GM clarification - does this mean that Boba Fett cannot vote today?

Just read the rules, for goodness sake.

INJURIES
Players can be injured during night attacks (see: Strength) or because of an ability or item. When a player is injured, they cannot use any of their abilities. However, injured players can vote and use items. Injuries last until both a Day Phase and a Night Phase have passed.

SS-18 ICBM
May 05, 2010, 06:58 PM
First blood. Excellent. :D

Ah, Double A is Mace Windu? Interesting. :)

RRRaskolnikov
May 05, 2010, 06:59 PM
SS-18 ICBM, you posts weren't funny, but your actions are even worse...

SS-18 ICBM
May 05, 2010, 07:04 PM
I'm not trying to be funny. :)

Double A
May 05, 2010, 07:05 PM
First blood. Excellent. :D

Ah, Double A is Mace Windu? Interesting. :)

Yeah, get you and your mafia buddies to think that.

RRRaskolnikov
May 05, 2010, 07:09 PM
No, but you will succeed in only one thing.

wideyedwanderer
May 05, 2010, 07:12 PM
Vote: ss18-icbm

Double A
May 05, 2010, 07:12 PM
Lemme guess...

civplayah
May 05, 2010, 07:27 PM
vote: SS-18 ICBM

I haven't been keeping up with this game- forgot to check the thread. :blush:. But you seem scummy.

Double A
May 05, 2010, 07:32 PM
I'm getting great in Paint!

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=1259&pictureid=37748

TheLastOne36
May 05, 2010, 07:45 PM
I am wondering, maybe ICBM wants us to lynch him?

Double A
May 05, 2010, 07:47 PM
Yeah, but jokers are always obnoxious and type in annoying patterns.

And should be banned.

Zack
May 05, 2010, 08:10 PM
Something entertaining that fits the theme of the game.

Parody of Empire State of Mind (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UjsXo9l6I8)

YNyE2xExktA

[DARTH VADER/JAY-Z]
Yeah
No longer Anakin
Formerly a Skywalker
Son's next rebel hero
But I'll be Sith forever
I'm the newest Dark lord And since my training years
I can choke from anywhere
Yeah my force is everywhere Used to run with Obi Wan We were both best buds foreva
But after three movies Now I've got a blood vendetta Grew up on Tatooine
No vegetation Catch me rolling through the cosmos in a moon-like station to Leia's home nation Death Star wrecks it Now princess knows, Vader ain't one to mess with
Flying through the trenches
Blasting rebel noobies
What happened to the fat one
Think he died of heart disease All that's left is this guy
Chasing him in my TIE I won't deny That his force is pretty damn high
Damn i just got wiped out
Falcon shot the back of me
Spinning into outerspace
But I'll be back definitely

[PRINCESS LEIA/ALICIA KEYS]
In Star Wars Empire is out to find Leia Death star plans in R2 Shoot the exhaust port Kenobi may now be see-through But the force is within Luke
Let's hear it for new hope, new hope, new hope
[Vader: You're welcome Obi Wan... I made you a ghost!]

[DARTH VADER/JAY-Z]
Catch me rockin boots and a cape like superman
Hell, I made wearing black more famous than that Jay-Z can
You should know I'd find you, hiding out at Echo
Now I got a Blizzard Force eliminate you quick yo
Welcome to the planet Hoth AT-ATs hit the spot Walking tanks are too legit
But they fall down a lot Check the front, check the back, cant find the Falcon yet
We need them all alive, so no disintegrations Boba Fett 8 million asteroids, where'd your little ship go?
Get me to Cloud City, I got Lando on my payroll
Me I gotta double check if carbonite's ok If freezin's safe for Han
Doing Luke the same way
New deal Lando
Ain't no pardon
Kid blew up my boys
Rest in peace Moff Tarkin
Turns out we are family
Embrace your dark fate
Dad and son together, yo No way the emperor's safe, cause...

[PRINCESS LEIA/ALICIA KEYS] In Star Wars
Now Han Solo's a coffee table
There's nothing Luke can do [Vader: Should've joined me, bro!]
He's on Dagobah
With some dyslexic Jedi dude
Right hand still got sliced through Looks like they struck back, struck back, struck back

[DARTH VADER/JAY-Z]
Lightsabers grinding
Palpatine's smiling
Cause he knew it would come to this The light side is blind with casualties
Who do evil casually, then gradually become worse
Don't fight your destiny
Wasn't a great dad, true
Absent all the while
No happy times behind us, and plus, now I'm killin' you
Keep fencing mister, 'cause now I sense a sister
You don't go bad, maybe I'll enlist her
Now Emperor wants you, only wants me rubbed out You controlled your anger, stayed light side devout Watch out kid, he's got lightning bolts to immolate Uh-uh, hell no, daddy powers activate
End this prune with a badass murder suicide
Bald headed, mask off, heart melted kid you were right Burn all my gear so those Ewoks can't wear it again
Do it, I'll be watching you, a ghost, name of Anakin

[PRINCESS LEIA/ALICIA KEYS] In Star Wars
Destroy new Death Star's generator
Ewoks to the rescue
Blast through to the core
This Regime's gonna be brand new
Galactic Empire's through
The Jedi have returned, returned, returned

Link
May 05, 2010, 08:19 PM
vote: SS-18 ICBM

Earthling
May 05, 2010, 08:25 PM
I believe I promised a lot of people I would reveal who I was now, since I have survived the night.

Let it be known, that I am

MALCOM TIBERIUS ADAMA,

Starship Captain, and loyal sidekick of Chuck Norris

:mischief:

No, it’s not the time for jokes, really. Actually, I am in the deepest mourning:

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc84/windowofmyeye/Chewbacca_w_Han_Solo_ANH-446x330.jpg

But the good fight must go on. So:

I am Han Solo, member of the Rebel Alliance. I first must thank Renata for everything so far and her murderers will not go unpunished. Though I hope my loyal friend Chewy already knows, I have no reason not to publicly express my apologies for certain things happening the way they did and what has gone wrong, though really it is several villains who seem now to blame.

Next, I would like to ask Leia to speak with me. It seems rather likely you might have a personal motivation related to me but I cannot actually be sure; I am committed to helping you no matter what. Anyone else who would like to talk candidly, I more than welcome them.

Lastly, I will again vote for the treacherous villain, Niklas: Jabba the Hut to die. How much he and his traitorous allies know I am not sure; he surely knew far too much about me and Chewbacca. I am not above blame and I deeply regret we could not get rid of the foul Hut yesterday, I failed in that manner.

However, I assure you all I fully intend to getting rid of Jabba in the here and now. For that matter, as I have mentioned and discussed privately, Lord OST and Methos would do well to prove they are not both bounty hunters, or worse. Everyone else who has been frustrated by me or simply was cautious and confused by all these dangerous times in general, as admittedly we all still are by many events, I have nothing against you. I will do whatever I can to aid the Innocents, Rebels, Republic, or Jedi I think we can all pull through.

I realize the concern over SS-18 ICBM and also wish good luck to Jedi like Mace Windu in the future, and know that I cannot be certain who is the greater public threat in the end, so I’m not asking you all to not consider that. I am not sure if SS-18 ICBM wants to be put up to a public spectacle or if he has some trick up his sleeve, and I know Jabba’s case is shut, and personally I cannot abide by Jabba and his cronies another night. So I cede the floor – it’s your call.

Oh yeah - also, other bounties hunters - in fact, even Boba Fett, if I actually don't know your identity or have you publicly named here, you would do really well to give up on Jabba and side with the Innocents. I'm not after you and I know there will be other priorities of the Sith threat and many more. Yesterday, though, all you who are bounty hunters, should feel ashamed of your evil-/greedy-/doing it to put your kids through college-selves:

http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2008/7/14/633516655351888213-Bounty-Hunters---Bobba-Fett.jpg

Takhisis
May 05, 2010, 08:33 PM
Earthling, you're acting weird. We have someone (SS-18 ICBM) who can evade Jedi, behaves suspiciously without giving any explanation as to his abilities/behaviour, and you insist on voting Niklas? I find it weird that Renata didn't say you were Han Solo, as it'd probably have cleared you.

Methos
May 05, 2010, 08:33 PM
Ok, a few things I'm curious about and hoping so are you.

Earthling is obviously a main role of the rebel faction (Edit: He just role claimed Hans Solo), which makes sense as to why there was such a large bounty on Earthling. What doesn't make sense, is how anyone knew? Did Earthling tell someone who he was? Did one of Earthling's masons/faction members accidently do so? Or was the bounty in fact personal against Earthling and not game related at all? Unfortunately, these are questions only Earthling can answer, but I'm hoping its something he's considering.

What about it Earthling? Care to share your thoughts?

Earthling
May 05, 2010, 08:35 PM
Methos, you need to reveal who you are, and Niklas needs to reveal every single Sith/Mafia contact he's had, if you have any hope of me not wanting you dead now. You probably already know the answers to all your own questions, and I'm not revealing other Innocents or anything like that.

Secondly, I will not speak ill of Renata and anything that happened with us I am not blaming her for, in fact I blame certain likely villains, starting first and foremost with Niklas. But some people might already know/guess so me and Renata were masons, can't hurt for the town to know that.

Also, on the whimsical side - I still worry about somebody with a silly daykill ability or "you can kill somebody only if they roleclaim" or crazy ability like that, so I'll say ha before you say I told you so. Mafia aren't getting me to help them out here though, even if I die - though I don't want to and do ask Leia to wish me good luck at least if I am going to die soon.

Lastly - in case it's not obvious - all Innocents please cease contact and trading and whatever with Jabba. If he wants to go the route of revealing all his items/contacts, let him. But don't give him a scrap more of info, he'll only give it to various Mafia.

Takhisis
May 05, 2010, 08:36 PM
Or, for a bit of flavour, the game starts with him under a bounty? :dunno:
EDIT: crosspost with Earthling.

SS-18 ICBM
May 05, 2010, 08:52 PM
That's an interesting personal goal, Earthling. I understand Mr. Solo would have legitimate, canonical grievances against a certain Hutt. And perhaps other bounty hunters as well.

Earthling
May 05, 2010, 08:54 PM
Look, SithSquared-18, you aren't winning over the rest of the town pretending to be a villain, unless you are one, but still, they might even just let Jabba run slither free and try to kill me again because they feel it's more important to kill you, so I don't need that kind of help from you.

If it wasn't clear, but not like it matters, I wouldn't ever tell anyone like you, I was referring to my goal about Leia. However, it's possibly something like Jabba's personal goal to kill me.

choxorn
May 05, 2010, 08:54 PM
ATTENTION TO ALL: Please bold your votes. Violators will be thrown into the pit of Carkoon and slowly digested by the Sarlacc over 1,000 years.

CivGeneral
May 05, 2010, 09:05 PM
I'm going to have to take a peak at what SS-18 ICBM has done. Until then, I Abstain.

Methos
May 05, 2010, 09:13 PM
I'm curious about SS-18 ICBM too.

Autolycus
May 05, 2010, 09:30 PM
I think there's a good chance that there's substantial behind the scenes evidence that ss-18 is evil, but not having heard it, I'm going to hold off on voting.

TheForestAuro
May 05, 2010, 09:31 PM
As much as a Hutt tends to stink up the place, I fail to see how he is a threat, Mr. Solo. It certainly won't end the bounty on your head (as far as I understand) and I doubt he is the one that placed it.

(abstain)

Earthling
May 05, 2010, 09:40 PM
Yes, I know things may seem that way, which is why if you all really go after ICBM I guess I'm still in trouble, but well, I'll do what I can for the Innocent. Here's the things with Jabba. This does really depend on how much power he has and we only really have his word now which isn't a good thing

-if he is filthy rich it stops him from using that money for more nefarious stuff if he or various bounty hunters can
-if he does have a bunch of items that he would sell to the Mafia, we stop him from doing all that business
-we also stop him from serving as a neutral party that all the Mafia can talk to and share information. In fact, maybe I should renege and say Innocents should (cautiously) talk to Jabba too, if you aren't already. Because leaving Jabba alive, and ONLY working with Mafia, means the Mafia just get a ton of coordination or whatever to help them out without getting caught.

It's really simple - like every major protagonist is an enemy in Jabba's eyes, that's kinda obvious, he's simply not the character or the position to trust as a neutral. In fact, I even have a better idea, if we must have auctions or something - let another neutral step forward, I doubt Jabba is the only one (and if he is, this just means more power to be abused by bad guys). Is Watto perhaps, or some Kamino or anybody who's neutral-ish and could trade techonology/items/etc... in the game? Better you than Jabba.

Plus, though these reasons have gotten more minor - if we lynch ICBM then like virtually every Mafia, including his own faction probably, will vote against him. There's nothing to debate and no one to catch with such a lynch. He might not even die, cause it does seem like he almost wants to be lynched, but to be clear I'm not defending him. However, people who keep defending Jabba are going to look like Mafia or evildoers, who stand to profit by whatever he is doing. Again, if I die or am still of risk of dying, well so be it, I'm not going to ask you to waste your votes just for me - it's not just that, I do want to point out, possible, reasons why Jabba is probably still a hefty danger overall.

I think it's prudent to wait to see what else happens though, especially of course how ICBM and Niklas respond, but, I know where I stand. I know I have to reasonable because I do want the best for the Innocents, and today there are other lynch options, unlike yesterday where we just had Jabba. If Niklas is willing to reveal all those Mafia and bounty hunters he's likely been working with maybe that would be worthwhile.

Also it's nice that Grievous was defeated, just a general :popcorn: there, good to see a Sith go down.

SS-18 ICBM
May 05, 2010, 09:47 PM
However, it's possibly something like Jabba's personal goal to kill me.

Find some way to kill him them. Watching him squirm might be entertaining. :)

Autolycus
May 05, 2010, 10:03 PM
I just noticed that we don't seem to have an Imperial kill. That's interesting. Please tell me they're not working on building a Death Star, I've worked too long and hard building up the Rebellion to die now.

SS-18 ICBM
May 05, 2010, 10:08 PM
That would be an interesting game mechanic. Imagine several Imperial characters with the necessary comm keys, coordinating and focusing their attack on several related characters at once.

Bad Player
May 05, 2010, 10:35 PM
Or, for a bit of flavour, the game starts with him under a bounty? :dunno:
EDIT: crosspost with Earthling.

Certainly a possibility.

Seon
May 05, 2010, 11:15 PM
First of all, a leap of fate: SS-18 ICBM

For anyone with better knowledge of the current affairs than I do (you lost me on ketchup, Zack...), could you please explain to me why Macy tried to kill ICBM?

Bad Player
May 05, 2010, 11:41 PM
Yes what is the evidence against ICBM???

Askthepizzaguy
May 05, 2010, 11:52 PM
Yes what is the evidence against ICBM???

This:

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/explosion.jpg

In all seriousness, cool game. I totally should have been Jabba the Hutt though. :)

/watching from the sidelines

Virote_Considon
May 05, 2010, 11:54 PM
lurker's comment: Yeah, I've been having great fun watching, as well :)

Love
May 06, 2010, 12:04 AM
Killing Siths is a nice little hobby I have. So is abstaining.

Lord OST
May 06, 2010, 03:54 AM
Joining th bandwagon ICBM
Escaping a Jedi is not a good thing. But I wonder if he might escape a lynch too.

taillesskangaru
May 06, 2010, 04:08 AM
That would be an interesting game mechanic. Imagine several Imperial characters with the necessary comm keys, coordinating and focusing their attack on several related characters at once.

What's this, a distraction? :p Back to the task at hand, people, LYNCHING!

I think I'll go with SS-18 ICBM too, unless there's a new lead.

Arakhor
May 06, 2010, 04:12 AM
From where is Earthling spinning all this so-called "information"? Methos must role-reveal, Niklas must unmask all Sith and bounty hunters must all become innocents? What is he smoking?

RRRaskolnikov
May 06, 2010, 04:28 AM
And you Arakhor? Looks like it's bloody awesome...

Arakhor
May 06, 2010, 04:33 AM
Well, having spent the LotR game being subjected to his endless speculations presented as facts and most of it being completely wrong, any time Earthling starts writing a book, I get out the pillar of salt.

Krill
May 06, 2010, 05:04 AM
FWIW I'm more inclined to believe Earthling than Renata.

Khazaar
May 06, 2010, 05:39 AM
Well since Renata was Chewi and protected Earthing it´s at the very least plausible that he is really Han the man.

SS-18 ICBM

Bad Player
May 06, 2010, 05:52 AM
In LotR some "good guys" were bad guys. Any chance of that this happening this game?

I think there is a good probability that Earthling is in fact Han Solo but it's not guaranteed.

Capt Blackadder
May 06, 2010, 05:54 AM
vote: SS-18 ICBM


Seems really scummy escaping from a Jedi.

TheLastOne36
May 06, 2010, 05:56 AM
Like I said earlier, I do not see why a mafia would make himself such a target on Day 2.

Unless he has some ability to attack all the people that are voting against him at the end of the day.

Bad Player
May 06, 2010, 06:13 AM
That would be quite a powerful character being able to 1) Escape a jedi's vigilante kill AND 2) being able to survive (otherwise why make yourself a target??) a lynch while attacking some of your lynchers!

SS-18 ICBM
May 06, 2010, 06:34 AM
Unless he has some ability to attack all the people that are voting against him at the end of the day.

That would be quite nice.

Seon
May 06, 2010, 06:42 AM
You might as well reveal who you are and what your ability (as in, how were you able to dodge am attack from a Jedi...) is by now, ICBM. Might change our mind about you.

RRRaskolnikov
May 06, 2010, 06:48 AM
It looks pretty obvious he won't because we will see part of it when we fail lynching him. But it's better to learn this way than to swim among his lies. More precisely Seon, we have no leverage for now.

Arakhor
May 06, 2010, 06:56 AM
Either we lynch him, so him role-revealing won't help matters (and who's to say that we'll believe him), or he escapes the lynch as Rrras has suggested and thus he would have no intention of revealing his role.

This is why I voted for Earthling - stubbornly demanding that people reveal their roles is pointless. If they are Mafia, they won't do it, and if they are innocent, they have just made themselves a target. In fact, actually demanding the role-reveals is far more scummy than not bothering to answer.

Krill
May 06, 2010, 06:59 AM
FWIW I'm more inclined to believe Earthling than Renata.

Well since Renata was Chewi and protected Earthing it´s at the very least plausible that he is really Han the man.

SS-18 ICBM

Note for hte future: don't play pitboss and Mafia at the same time.

I meant I am more inclined to believe Eathling than Niklas.

Bad Player
May 06, 2010, 07:07 AM
Is there a channel everyone communicates on?

Arakhor
May 06, 2010, 07:21 AM
There must be. It's Day Two and apparently everyone knows everyone :)

Bad Player
May 06, 2010, 07:25 AM
Is Winston Hughes being unusually quiet this game?

Renata
May 06, 2010, 07:29 AM
Was that a real question or rhetorical, Bad Player? If real, then a lot of people use MSN Messenger to communicate. But a lot don't, too. /helpful dead person

Zack
May 06, 2010, 07:34 AM
I am only aware of a surprisingly low amount of QTs....

DrumStudent and sepuku, you both still haven't even read your Role PMs. If you don't show up by the end of the day, you will be replaced.

They probably won't even see it. Meh.

Bad Player
May 06, 2010, 07:35 AM
Real question - I'd like to join the game chat on msn if someone tells me how (I have msn but I've only used it a couple of times ever).


The Winston Hughes question is rhetorical - what do other ppl think? Maybe Winston's been busy or whatever but he is usually much more active IIRC.

RRRaskolnikov
May 06, 2010, 07:39 AM
There is no chat game as far as I know... though here is my IM address (I thought it was on the NOTW thread but no...). RRRaskolnikov at hotmail dot fr (ofc "at" and "dot" are to be replaced).

Bad Player
May 06, 2010, 07:42 AM
Well there's a lot of information being passed around and I'm outside the loop! There must be talk somewhere...

Renata
May 06, 2010, 07:46 AM
Yeah, it's just rarely a formal "chat" -- if you're logged in to MSN and you see someone else logged in you feel like talking to, you do so. Like PMs, only different. :p

Earthling
May 06, 2010, 07:48 AM
Interesting observations, Bad Player, if you did want any info from me, and it's something worth discussing. Can't say for sure but Winston could very easily be either Darth Maul or another bounty hunter, he was working with Niklas/Jabba, had chatted with Niklas and Renata early in the game, tried to find out "for sure" if I was Han Solo last night, (I didn't answer at all) and is probably one of the few people here who would kill Renata even after she was taking a break from the game. Though if that last bit was another Mafia call, it was just an evil move, yet still I think someone killing Renata without inside info is suspicious. (the flip side of that - a lot of people probably did have inside info however, certainly Jabba or someone else could have spread it around. Just would be surprised if it turns out it was a random kill by some other Mafia group.) So yes, I am concerned, as I am concerned with some others in this whole situation. I'll try to resolve things in private too as is already perhaps progressing but I still am not opposed to certain people who might owe public explanations, doing so.

On another note, it seems really likely to me that lynching ICBM will fail. I don't want it to fail, and we probably will lynch him so hope he's a hit on a Mafia. But he's acting pretty darn invincible, so either it's a suicide run/ability to use against us (that he wants) or he simply won't die (which he also wants). Might be like the LOTR situation, where we can't lynch (or kill?) him until his minions are dead if he's a major Mafia. If anyone has any abilities that could facilitate just such a lynch, it might be worth it to make sure ICBM is really lynched, but I don't know if that's the case. I do say the only clear candidates are still Niklas and ICBM, and I'm not going to be distracted by people who I can't be sure are guilty, some things must still be worked out in due time. I'm not going to ask you to target people on uncertainties and if you all choose ICBM that's still fine I guess- Vote remains on Niklas here.

Zack
May 06, 2010, 07:49 AM
QTs are probably the best way to get information.

Bad Player
May 06, 2010, 07:57 AM
What about the chat engines? Maybe we should start a chat room???


Re: Winston - Winston PM'd me asking about what I had PM'd you about Earthling (yesterday) and I told him. Winston has done that before to me so it's not suspicious. It's more that he is doing a lot behind the scenes and not contributing much to conversations in the forefront. I don't want to point the finger at him because he is a very good player and if he is innocent we will likely need him! Give him time!

Bad Player
May 06, 2010, 08:00 AM
Earthling there is one issue I want to ask you more about - why you are so anti- Niklas/Jabba? I am out of the loop on every issue but is there some evidence you have against him (apart from him being a neutral? gangster)? It's just that you have accused him of doing evil stuff but it seems to be just suspicions.

Remember we need someone to do auctions and at this stage noone else has come forwards...

Earthling
May 06, 2010, 08:01 AM
Well, everybody has time, cause I hope I agree with most folks that any Sith are top priorities to get rid of, and then Jabba, and other Mafia too, so I'm not even after neutral or other roles. I seriously think even the bounty hunters if they are just in it for money could be given better bounties for working with the Innocents.

The real question on time is what the Mafia do... I think a lot of us are more on the clock of when we get attacked and killed than running out of time otherwise. But also maybe I should just say please don't speculate/suggest protections of me or others in public since that could just help out the Mafia too. I've said my bit and gotten info out there so if I'm targeted then that's that, but I'm not going down easy and especially to another bounty hunter.


Edit: Look, Bad Player, happy to talk to you in private too, but a couple things I can say more obviously, I can't reveal quite everything about who was talking to whom or what behind the scenes. As far as my explanation goes, it's rather simpler: Niklas found out too much about me or something somehow, and if you'll notice in the writeups, last night he probably sent/asked/paid Boba Fett to kill me. You've seen the movies I hope - Jabba almost certainly wants me dead, and really I probably think he is more likely to work with the Mafia against other Innocents in general, even if doesn't have personal grudges against them.

johnhughthom
May 06, 2010, 08:35 AM
Vote: Niklas

I don't quite get the SS18 ICBM story and going after Han Solo is not cool.