This scenario takes place in the year 1185, in the begining of the Third Crusade. Saladin, Sultan of the Fatimite Califate captured Antioch and the Holy city of Jerusalem.
The pope demanded that the Christian kingdoms send troops to take back the Holy Land. The 3 great Monarchs of Western Europe, Frederick Barbarossa of the Holy Roman Empire, Richard Lionheart king of England and Phillip Augustus king of France went to the Mid East to command the crusaders.
Meanwhile, the spanish from the kingdom of Leon and Castille have a crusade of their own. They must push the moors invaders back to Africa.

This is how the world is divided:

England
France
Leon and Castille
Holy Roman Empire
Apulia-Calabria
Scotland
Irish Kingdoms
Poland
Hungary
Kiev
Byzantine Empire
Scandinavia
Almoravid Califate
Fatimite Califate

Of course this scenario needs Diplomatic settings, but they arent avaiable yet.

Please people make comments so that I can improve the scenario

I just downloaded the scenario, I hope it´s great.

My first idea for a medieval scanario was supposed to be around 1200.

I will tell you what I think when I tried the scenario.

this scenario is supposed to be in the end of the 12th century, at that time the vikings were gone, and replaced by three pretty civilized kingdoms in scandinavia and many of the typical viking towns were also gone, for example Birka, and Skiringsal in norway was smaller and less important. I think you should change the names on some of the scandinavian towns. Birka could be Sigtuna, hedeby in Denmark should not be in, the biggest towns in denmark were Viborg in northern Jylland and Roskilde (except for Lund wich where danish). Trondheim was an important town and were called Nidaros.

One thing I wonder about is the workers in eastern Turkey, what are they for?

I will change the scandinavian city names as soon as possible.
The workers are in eastern Turkey so that all civs can establish contact. I normally use explores, but there werent explorers in 12th century.
What did you think of the rest of the scenario?

Perhaps the player civ's worker should be on the nearby mountain with the others surrouning that, as it is now you sometimes have to guess where a worker is and chase them to get contact with that civ.

Also, why is there a city called Salamanca in Spain, Salamanca is the capital of Iroquois in Civ 3, perhaps that city could be Madrid ???

Good idea to put the workers in a mountain.
About Salamanca, it is a famous spanish city also known as "Golden City" and is located west of Madrid.

I think the scenario is good, but when I make scenarios I try to get the map as exact as possible, with cityplacement and countryshapes as exact as possible, but I have realised that isn´t really the most important thing about a scenario, so I think this scenario is really good.

You could rename Skandinavia to Kalmarunion, that was a union at the time of the scenario in wich Denmark practically controlled Norway and Sweden, under the queen Margaretha, this was the closest Scandinavia has been to one country. The union ended with the danish king "Christian the tyrant" at 1521.

Ill fix the Scandinanvian problems as soon as possible. The Kalmar Union is a good idea.
In my early scenarios, I was very concerned with city placement and country shapes, but I figured out that the country shapes change very quickly due to culture, so its not worth the huge effort. Of course, the scenario is better if its precise. I try to make my scenarios precise, but I dont try very hard anymore.
Thanks for the comments and suggestions, I may release a new version soon.

I liked your scenario and I was making a similar one for PTW, but I liked yours better. :cool:

Any chance you are going to update yours, Some of the new units would really add some spice to your already good scenario. :goodjob:

Thanks LuckyorDead. Im going to buy PTW this week, and I will surely update most of my scenarios, including this one.

this has some inaccuracies...

Lynx, please specify them so that I can fix it

the Irish had been conquered by the english is one, and where is the kingdom of Aragorn???

Only parts of Ireland were conquerd by the English in 1185, but the real reason why in my scenario the Irish are independent is that I used I map from 1100, hehe.
About Aragon, I chose to make only one Christian Spanish kingdom, otherwise I would have to place Navarre as well and the spanish christians would be to weak and unable to take the Peninsula back.

I have noticed a small error in City Placement: Portsmouth is too far west perhaps the city there should be named Southampton or Bournemouth other than that it looks really good

This is a pretty good scenario. A few things i noticed, that could be changed for the better are.....

Change the Swordsman to Medieval Infantry (which are available in PTW)
I didnt like how all the workers were in that one spot just so everyone would meet... Kind of cheesy, wish there was a better way, and hopefully Firaxis releases a Diplomacy Editor soon.
The Byzantin Epire starts with -56 gold per turn. I dont know if this is intentional, but it isnt really a problem, since after a couple of turns of building workers you can turn that around to a + sign.
Make a city list for each civilization! Polands capital was beijing, etc, and had all chinese cities, and thats only one example.
You should also disable the option to build settlers to make it more historically accurate.
One last thing, change the year to reflect the time period. Your game started in 4000BC, if you have PTW, you can easily change that too 1185AD.

double post here.

Werdhertz, thanks for the suggestions
I do have PTW, but it seems impossible to modify a non-PTW scenario. If someone knows how to do it, please tell me.

I just discovered how to do it.

I were able to change the time, but I were unable to add new units or new civs.

Originally posted by luiz
I were able to change the time, but I were unable to add new units or new civs.

There is a add buttom in the editor, just add the medieval infantry and it will work, same as Civ´s

It seems impossible to add PTW units or PTW civs to a non-PTW scenario

Started playing,looks good as usual by luiz.
When playing as England,for historical reasons,should I declare war on Scots and Irish?
I fear the crusade will very soon be over.

About Germany:Rome wasn't part of the Empire,for game terms it can be part of it,but it should not be the capital.There was no real capital in this time,the Emperors wandered around.The capital could be where Berlin is now (which was a really tiny village back then) and could be named Quedlinburg,Magdeburg or Goslar,3 vey important residences of this time.

About Settlers,at least for Germany they should not be disabled,as German settlers were still moving East this era and I'm pretty sure Russians and Polish expanded as well.

Thanks for the corrections Kennelly. I will take them into account in the to come PTW version.

Goodness me, you really ought to add some Turkish civs.

What turkish civs, calgacus?

You should add the Seljuk Sultanate of Rum/Iconium at least.

Thanks for the tip, Ill do that in the PTW version

It's good to know there's a PTW version. :goodjob:

There will be a PTW version, hehe...:D

Originally posted by luiz
There will be a PTW version, hehe...:D

are you still working on it?

Yep, but kind of slowly... :)

I already did a PTW version for my 1650 an my Cold War scenario, and I am currently working on PTW versions of my 1500, King Arthur, World War 2, World War 1 and The Crusades. At the same time, I'm making a new scenario about alternative history(german victory on WW2). That's why things are kind of slow.

great news, take your time!

You shouldn't forget the Seljuks :)

well, Saladin did a great job uniting a lot of Islamic civs back then

there should be a lot more of english rule in france, england controled most of western france at this time. i also think aragon should be added as they were fairly important(even if its just Barcelona). and i noticed there are no cities on Sardinia and Corsica. Also i belive Venice was independant of The Imperial Armies of Holy Rome still. Munich and Frankfurt(which is missing, Charlemange was coronated there) were also important cities in the empire.

Vienna and Prague are missing as well. and i think a better name for Beirut is Tripoli, and by this time i think Cyprus was controlled by the french (correct me if im wrong), Provance- Marseille, was in the Holy Roman Empire too.

(and i don't belive there are any jungles in Russia, :p )

id also say Dresden was more important than Leipzig at that time, and Bourdeux, Canterbury, and Strassburg(german) or Strabourg(French) are mispelled, And you'll prolly get flamed by the italians as i did, for having the english names. it should be Roma, Napoli, Genova, and i forget what Venice is :lol: theres also room for Florence, which was pretty important.

Originally posted by Lynx
the Irish had been conquered by the english is one, and where is the kingdom of Aragorn??? By 1185 the English invasion of Ireland had not advanced beyond The Pale (roughly the equivalent of the current county of Dublin). Ireland was still very much as independent as ever --- but not for much longer.

Originally posted by Johann MacLeod
id also say Dresden was more important than Leipzig at that time, and Bourdeux, Canterbury, and Strassburg(german) or Strabourg(French) are mispelled, And you'll prolly get flamed by the italians as i did, for having the english names. it should be Roma, Napoli, Genova, and i forget what Venice is :lol: theres also room for Florence, which was pretty important.

For the correct spelling :
Strasbourg -> Straßburg
Bourdeux -> Bordeaux ?
Venice -> Venezia
Florence -> Firenze

I likwe this quite a bit, good job!

About that –56 gold per turn for the Byzantines, the city of Constantinople always was the center of Byzantine power because of the trade income from the silk roads so maybe you could modify a wonder to make the treasury of the Byzantium earn more, to make the city so important as it was. And also Kiev I think was under attack by the Mongols during this time, adding them might make for some cool battles and set the tone for the time.

thanks Subvertio, I'll probably add your ideas to the PTW version.

Originally posted by luiz
thanks Subvertio, I'll probably add your ideas to the PTW version.

What about a conquest Version?:crazyeye:

to be accurate you should add one more civ in the Iberian Peninsula (Léon(Leão), Castilla,Aragon(ão) and Navarro were the four initial kingdoms in the IP). But to keep historical accuracy, something called Portucalense County should be created, as it represents the proto-portuguese kingdom and gained formal independence from Léon in 1143 ... no?

Originally posted by Pedro_II
to be accurate you should add one more civ in the Iberian Peninsula (Léon(Leão), Castilla,Aragon(ão) and Navarro were the four initial kingdoms in the IP). But to keep historical accuracy, something called Portucalense County should be created, as it represents the proto-portuguese kingdom and gained formal independence from Léon in 1143 ... no?

That's right :cool:

And you already have the civ in C3C ;)
Should replace the leader from henry to D. Afonso I


Good job Luiz :goodjob:

yeah luiz great scenario!!