Imperium Offtopicum (IOT) is a geopolitical simulation and role-playing game spun out of the Altered Maps thread in Off-Topic. Players assume the role of leader of a nation of their own creation, and interact with each other on such issues as law, economy, science and technology, humanitarianism, and national defence.

When players first join the game, they may select a colour demarcation and claim any single territory from the world map as their capital region. From here, players can expand their borders by dictating their actions in the thread. The world map is updated by the GM on an indeterminate basis, outlining the official national borders from which actions are to be derived. In the case of overlapping claims to territory, the matter will be passed to the United Nations for in-character resolution (see below).

Players may claim up to 5 unaligned territories per turn under the following conditions:
- Microstates (single-pixel regions) are considered half-value, so two may be claimed for the price of one.
- Large territories (Canada, Siberia, Australia, etc.) count as three territories each.
- Claiming territories that are not contiguous with a player's capital counts as two territories each. * When a colony of 12 connected territories is established, the cost is reduced 1 each for neighbouring regions.
The GM reserves the right to final determination of the map without explanation.

As the game progresses and empires become more fleshed out, unclaimed regions will evolve into their own nations under the responsibility of the GM. They will remain neutral unless attacked, but otherwise will not generally contribute to the greater game.

http://s19.postimage.org/6rynaano3/IOTmapdemo.gif

IOT does not recognize the development, maintenance, or use of nuclear weapons or any derivatives thereof. All inter-player combat is conducted by conventional armies as described below. Unmanned space exploration and short-range manned operations are permitted for roleplaying, but players attempting extraterrestrial colonization and/or militarization will be harshly reprimanded.

United Nations

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2f/Flag_of_the_United_Nations.svg/500px-Flag_of_the_United_Nations.svg.png

The United Nations thread (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=357417) serves as a forum for dispute resolution between nations, and discussion, development and implementation of international legislation. The UN can also, with the support of other nations, launch military missions against and establish trusteeships over disputed regions.

The UN reserves the light blue colour (HTML #4b92db) on the world map, should it become necessary.

Combat

http://s19.postimage.org/6x2ejyuz7/ex2a.png

When all other venues at dispute resolution have failed, players can turn to combat. Battles are carried out in the battle thread (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=357831). Fighting is simulated by the GM through the game Operation Flashpoint with two armies of equal size and equitable composition. By default, they follow a simple and straightforward plan of attack. The GM will provide a map segment roughly corresponding to the embattled region from which players can further elaborate their military strategy to better their odds of victory.

http://s19.postimage.org/qnumpu4pf/combatexample.png

The combat procedure may change as the game grounds itself. Currently, players may conduct 3 offensive operations per round. Defencive operations are assumed automatically, even if the player is inactive.

NOTICE: Undocumented amendments as of 29 June (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=9333929#post9333929)

http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/2784/iotmap.png

Nations

Alliance of Tactical Tenacious Amerites a Country Konnected - remake20 (defunct)
Colour: Sea green
Capital: Alaska

Baltic Republic - Weik
Colour: Turquoise
Capital: Åland Islands
Reputation: -17

China - link16
Colour: Dark orange
Capital: Beijing
:nuke: 2
Reputation: -34

Democratic Arabia (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=9262215&#post9262215) - civplayah
Colour: Lime green
Capital: Riyadh (Ar Riyadh)
:nuke: 8
Reputation: 0

Democratic Christian Republic of Brazil - Domination3000 [DEFEATED]
Colour: Grey
Capital: Rio de Janeiro
Reputation: -34

Democratic People's Republic of Somaliland (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=9256575#post9256575) - Ulyaoth
Colour: Brown
Capital: Mogadishu
:nuke: 8
Reputation: 0

Dominion of Canada (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=9210301#post9210301) - Captain2
Colour: Soft pink
Capital: Ottawa (Ontario)
:nuke: 6
Reputation: -16

Eastern Federation (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=9207505#post9207505) - Cull
Colour: Magenta
Capital: Shanghai
:nuke: 5
Reputation: 16

Empire of the Rising Sun (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=9200605#post9200605) - Joecoolyo
Colour: Red
Capital: Tokyo (Kanto)
:nuke: 5
Reputation: -27

Fundamentalist Christian States of America (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=9252818#post9252818) - Domination3000 (defunct)
Colour: Burgundy?
Capital: Unspecified

Greece - Double A
Colour: Olive green
Capital: Peloponnesus
:nuke: 5
Reputation: -23

Kingdom of Great Britain (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=9216482#post9216482) - e350tb
Colour: Emerald green
Capital: London
:nuke: 7
Reputation: -15

Kingdom of New England - Omega124 [DEFEATED]
Colour: Dark sea green
Capital: Unspecified
Reputation: 0

Kosovo (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=9196319#post9196319) - landlubber
Colour: Blue
Capital: Pristina (Kosovo)
:nuke: 8
Reputation: 0

Liberal Republic of Pacifistan (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=9253242#post9253242) - Owen Glyndwr
Colour: Darkish blue
Capital: California
:nuke: 8
Reputation: 0

Malagasy Union (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=9225164#post9225164) - hell_hound
Colour: Light blue
Capital: Antananarivo
:nuke: 8
Reputation: 0

Marian Federation (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=9195785#post9195785) - Taniciusfox
Colour: Dark red
Capital: Rome (Lazio)
:nuke: 3
Reputation: 20

Neo Incan Empire (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=9201951#post9201951) - VladDrakken (defunct)
Colour: Mustard yellow
Capital: Holy Manchu (westernmost Ecuador)

New Confederate States of America (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=9194585#post9194585) - DroopyTofu
Colour: Confederate Grey
Capital: South Carolina
:nuke: 3
Reputation: 20

New England Alliance (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=9200790#post9200790) - Omega124 (defunct)
Colour: Dark sea green
Capital: Massachusetts
Reputation: -38

New Hetmanate - Thorvald of Lym
Colour: Orange
Capital: Kyiv
:nuke: 10
Reputation: 0

New Zealand - Perfection
Colour: Peach
Capital: Undefined
:nuke: 8
Reputation: 0

North African Trading Alliance, the Republic - Reiser
Colour: Dark blue-green
Capital: Tripoli (coastal north-west Libya)
:nuke: 3
Reputation: 20

Paradise Islands - west india man
Colour: Lavender-ish purple
Capital: Suva (Fiji)
:nuke: 4
Reputation: 16

People's Republic of Guiana (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=9278917#post9278917) - Mathalamus
Colour: Purple
Capital: Paramaribo (Northeast Suriname)
:nuke: 4
Reputation: 17

Petrograd (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=9196215#post9196215) - Virote_Considon
Colour: Very dark red
Capital: Petrograd
:nuke: 6
Reputation: -20

Principality of France - Mad Man (defunct)
Colour: Pink
Capital: Paris (Île-de-France)

Republic of Kashmir (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=9370196#post9370196) - taillesskangaru
Colour: Sandy yellow
Capital: Srinagar
Reputation: 8

Republic of Patagonia (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=9261641#post9261641) - ZeletDude
Colour: Dirty yellow
Capital: Santiago
:nuke: 2
Reputation: -30

Republic of Scotland (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=9210006#post9210006) - Kan' Sharuminar
Colour: Yellow
Capital: Aberdeen (Scotland)
:nuke: 6
Reputation: -12

Third Republic of Germany (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=9194440#post9194440) - CivGeneral
Colour: Super-dark green
Capital: Berlin
:nuke: 1
Reputation: 1

Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=9294501#post9294501) - taillesskangaru (defunct)
Colour: Sandy yellow
Capital: Islamabad
Reputation: -35

United Gold Coast Confederation (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=9250069#post9250069) - HarkonnenII
Colour: Not-as-dark blue
Capital: Freetown
:nuke: 8
Reputation: 0

Vermont - Mad Man
Colour: Pink
Capital: Montpelier (Vermont)
:nuke: 5
Reputation: -26

Zulu Confederation of African Self-deliberation (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=9288717#post9288717) - Charles Li
Colour: Dirty green
Capital Unspecified
:nuke: 1
Reputation: 14

Great Plains Federation
Colour: Mustard yellow
ICBMs: 2

Portugal
Colour: Emerald-forest-y green
ICBMs: 1

Rebels
Colour: Dark grey
ICBMs: 4

Alliances

Commonwealth of Nations
Canada
Britain
Scotland
Malagasy
Arabs
Somaliland
NCSA (pending)
Marians (provisional observer)
Eastern Federation (pending observer)
Germany (pending observer)

Confirmed
ATTACK & NCSA (null)
Japan & Eastern Federation
Pacifistan & NCSA

Pending
Guiana & Marians

Defencive pacts

AWESOME
NCSA
Guiana (pending)

GUN
Marians
Greece
Patagonia
NATAR
China
Eastern Federation
Germany
Paradise Islands
Guiana (pending)
Petrograd (observer)
Germany (observer)

Confirmed
Ukraine & Petrograd
Canada & Pacifistan
Guiana & Patagonia

Pending
Arabs & Marians
Pacifistan & NCSA
Guiana & Vermont

Non-aggression treaties

Confirmed
Ukraine & Germany
Ukraine & Marians
Eastern Federation & Germany
Patagonia & Japan
Patagonia & Eastern Federation

Pending
Ukraine & Kosovo
Germany & Japan
Marians & Arabs
Ukraine & Baltic Empire

Trade agreements

European Free Trade Area
Marians
Scotland
Germany

Eurozone common currency
Marians
Germany
Guiana

Confirmed
Canada & NCSA
Britain & Scotland
Eastern Federation & Marians
Marians & Arabs
Eastern Federation & Germany
Guiana & Eastern Federation
Guiana & Patagonia
Patagonia & Japan
Patagonia & Eastern Federation
Paradise Islands & Brazil
Paradise Islands & NCSA

Pending
Canada & New England
Eastern Federation & Pacifistan
Scotland & New England
Guinea & Vermont
Paradise Islands & Greece

Open borders

Confirmed
Ukraine & Petrograd
Arabs & New England
Eastern Federation & Arabs

Pending
Marians & Greece
Arabs & "Western-ish Asian and Eastern-ish Mediterranean territories"

Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty

Guiana
Germany
Marians
NATAR
Kashmir
NCSA
Paradise Islands
Eastern Federation

Strategic Defence Initiative [61/100]

NCSA
NATAR
Germany
Marians

Embargoes

Japan v. Arabs
France v. Arabs
Eastern Federation v. Arabs
Baltic Empire v. Japan
Baltic Empire v. Greece
China v. Patagonia
China v. Guinea

Wars

Japan v. China
Patagonia v. Japan
Marians v. Japan
Japan v. Britain
Greece v. Eastern Federation
Petrograd v. China
Canada v. Scotland

ok, i am Byzantium controlling the Istanbul province. i can provide more info as needed. i pick the purple color.

just put two dots were the European and Asian Istanbul are.

The German Republic!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8a/Germany-Jack-1867.svg/450px-Germany-Jack-1867.svg.png

Name (Offical): Third Republic of Germany
Name (Short): German Republic

Motto: "Der Senat und das Deutschland Volk" (The Senate and the people of Germany (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPQR))

Capital: Potsdam

Development rating: First World

Economy and Industry: Heavily industrialized. Is the largest national economy in Europe, forth largest in the world in GDP terms.

Political setup: Just like it's predecessor, it's a federal republic. Though more closely mirrors the presidential system of the United States. Sometime after the noodle incident, the Republic went from a parliamentary system to a presidential system.

Social policy: Largely a liberal and tolerant society.

Foreign policy: The German Republic favors diplomatic solutions and a peaceful state amongst it's borders

Army: Holds a large sized army as well as a paramilitary force to serve as an auxillary unit for the main army. The National Guard, when not federalized in times of war, serve as disaster relief.

Air force: A moderately sized air force

Navy: A moderately sized navy. However, the German Republic does not wish to engage in naval rivalry with any other nations. Rather, the German Republic Admiralty seeks to cooperate with allied navies.

The German Republic!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8a/Germany-Jack-1867.svg/450px-Germany-Jack-1867.svg.png

(I've tried to get the Borders as close to Germany's pre World War I borders)

Germany extended to Prussia before WWI. that would be kalingrad, and please claim one province.

I am, once again, the Liberal Republic of Pacifistan.

For my one province (to start), I shall take California.

*EDIT* If I have to be someplace different, I claim London.

CG, since you didn't specify a starting province I dropped you in Berlin.

As for myself, I shall lead the New Hetmanate, beginning, aptly enough, in Kyiv. I'll be orange.

CG, since you didn't specify a starting province I dropped you in Berlin.

Wait, I'm confused. I thought I'd claim the Brandenburg provance. Berlin it is. Though not content with starting out as a city state :sad:.

OK, where would you like to start?

OK, where would you like to start?

The province of Brandenburg. Sorry about the confusion. (I'll edit the capital as well to Potsdam).
As for the colors, the same colors as on Jill's beret (greenish color).

Wait, I'm confused. I thought I'd claim the Brandenburg provance. Berlin it is. Though not content with starting out as a city state :sad:.

i am content with just Istanbul actually. i want to try out the city state method..

hey Lym can i be a city state of Constantinople or is it too small?

hey Lym can i be a city state of Constantinople or is it too small?Up to you. As long as you don't piss everyone else off at once you should be alright.

Up to you. As long as you don't piss everyone else off at once you should be alright.

Somehow that is my lot in CFC in general. Ticking off people unintentionally :(.

I will become the Arab League. I will take Saudi Arabia.

So are we playing without the "new territory from previous games" rule? If so, I'll take South Carolina, with intents of expanding into the New Confederate States of America. I'll get back with more info on the country if needed, when I'm feeling less lazy. For my color, I'd like a nice Confederate Grey.

Country Bio:

After the United States split after the <insert whyever you think the US broke apart>, South Carolina quickly set itself up as independent, following the spirit it had when it declared independence from Britian, and later from the United States in the 1860's. It moved it's capital from Columbus th Charleston, and invited all southern states to join it. Quickly, Georgia and North Carolina decided to band together with SC and form the New Confederate States of America. Though people in Atlanta and Charlotte disagree, the capital remained Charleston, for now.
Soon after Georgia and Norht Carolina joined the NCSA, Florida and Virginia asked to join. The NCSA was now a dominant force on the Atlantic coastline. Realizing that the other 3 most populous states had already found an alliance to join, Texas quickly joined it's southern brothers. Tennesse followed closely after that, becoming the first landlocked state to join the Confederacy.
THe still anarchist states to the south of Tennessee attempted to block traffic from the port city of Memphis, so the NCSA government quickly began to negotiate with the states to try to bring them into the Confederacy. Arkansas and Louisiana joined, but Mississippi refused. The president of the NCSA realized that having Mississippi in the Confederacy would probably drag it down and took back the offer for Mississippi to join. The Ohio river also came to the attention of the government, who convinced Kentucky to join, even though it was not historically a Confederate state. Realizing that it was alone with Mississippi, Alabama quickly voted to join the NCSA also. Other states joined, then part of Mexico, Cuba, and Spain.

Population(to be updated as the Confederacy grows): 181.9 million

Capital: Charleston

Military: Fairly good navy, with very strong coast guard. Army is mid-level, though there is much focus on expanding the army in the world of anarchy. The airforce is large enough to defend the lands that ask the NCSA for protection, but not very helpful on the offensive.

NO SLAVERY: The NCSA has learned from the mistakes of its predecessor and does not use slavery

Government: Much like the American system, but with more power for the states' rights and less government control

Economy: Cities such as Atlanta and Charlotte are major financial and business districts. There is some manufacturing and come natural resources, though not abundant. Many rural areas are still agrarian and backwards. The government is working on developing these regions, especially Mexico and Cuba.

GDP - 6.522 trillion

GDP per capita - 35,854.87 USD

Largest Cities: (in order of admitance to the Confederacy) Charleston, Charlotte, Atlanta, Miami, Jacksonville, Nashville, Memphis, Houston, Dallas, New Orleans, Birmingham, St. Loius, Tampico, Veracruz, Havana, Buenos Aires, Montivideo.

Religion: Though there is free religion, 98% of the population is Christian.

Foreign Policy: The NCSA will remain neutral in most conflicts, unless an ally is involved. Then, it is fiercly loyal to its friends.

Up to you. As long as you don't piss everyone else off at once you should be alright.

very well. i hereby proclaim the City state of Constantinople (mini Byzantium)

Population: 12.9 million ( will increase it to 32 million, im relaxing immigration and promoting Christianity the nice way.)
Military Size: 750,000 active, 0 reserves and 0 paramilitary.
( note: only 250,000 is available for offense purposes)
Human Development Index: .850 (need to increase it)
Gross Domestic Product: 116 billion Byzantine dollars
GDP per capita: 9000 (they didn't tell me do i used Turkish average and rounded it up.)
Capital (and largest city): Constantinople
Ethnic Groups: uh.. more or less 100% Byzantine...
Government: Constitutional Monarchy
Current emperor: Matthew Barabas of the Barabas Dynasty. (to make it easier on me)
Establishment: 1918 (after world war one.. we backed Germany. oops.)
Religion: 95% Muslim.
Area: 5,196 km2

and for my first act as a nation: pacifistan, i realize you only control California but i woudl liek to import electronics from your nation. i need to advance my city state. i need to advance practically everything to your level.

current goals:
1.increase the per capta GDP from 9000, to around Singaporean equivalent.
2. increase defenses in the outer areas.
3. raise the HDI index from .850 to .950 or higher.
4. be a major power in world politics.

I will become the Arab League. I will take Saudi Arabia.
What colour? Which emirate? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emirates_of_Saudi_Arabia)

So are we playing without the "new territory from previous games" rule?I would have preferred it, but I figure the creative-minded will do it of their own accord.

I would have preferred it, but I figure the creative-minded will do it of their own accord.

Fair enough, though I'm afraid I'm going to be a hypocrite and stay in the South, even though I had that in the first game.

How are we going to play the territory grabs? Do we just get to claim one new territory a day, or what? If so, that would be a bit unfair to late-comers.

How are we going to play the territory grabs? Do we just get to claim one new territory a day, or what?More or less. I'm also concerned about the opportunity for later players. I know self-restraint is out of the question, so something I could do is launch sporadic barbarian attacks to corral the more expansive players; that, or make them fight for every region past the nth.

More or less. I'm also concerned about the opportunity for later players. I know self-restraint is out of the question, so something I could do is launch sporadic barbarian attacks to corral the more expansive players; that, or make them fight for every region past the nth.

barbarian hordes will likely attack Constantinople... even though they wont have siege engines or anything im still afraid they will take Constantinople.

they may ignore your orders somehow and attack me.

I'll take lime. And Ar Riyadh.

Any spots left. haven't read the rues yet, but I want in.

As many spots as there are unclaimed territories.

I'll start with Alaska. What other information do I need to provide?

Identifying colour on the world map.

I want in. For my color, I want blue, and for my country, I would like Kosovo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo).

I'd like to be the French Empire and my starting Province is Quebec and my color will be pink.

I claim London for the Kingdom of Great Britain. My colour shall be emerald green.

I'm going for something radically different this time around.

I'll take the reigns of the Empire of the Rising Sun, or just simply the Japanese Empire.

Starting plot: Tokyo (capitol) and surrounding regions.

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/4678/japanzm.png (http://img17.imageshack.us/i/japanzm.png/)

Color: Red (obviously)

And of course, our amazing flag :goodjob:

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/1146/800pxnavalensignofjapan.png (http://img225.imageshack.us/i/800pxnavalensignofjapan.png/)

I also think that verson of there flag is better:goodjob:. The French Empires flag will use this version of the flag252746

I shall be the New England Alliance. The state, you may ask? Massachusetts. This is so because I think if this nation was to exist, Boston would be the capitol. I mean, the only other contender is New York, but it's not "truly" in New England.

http://www.xboxcore.com/images/Flag_NewEnglandAlliance.jpg

I would like my color to be that.

(Personally, I don't like this whole "City State" idea)

@Omega

The New Confederate States of America wish to maintain much better relations than our pasts nations have had. I hope peace and civilized diplomacy may reign between us.

@Omega

The New Confederate States of America wish to maintain much better relations than our pasts nations have had. I hope peace and civilized diplomacy may reign between us.

The New England Alliance is made of the states of New York, New Hampshire, Ohio, West Virginia, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Maine, Vermont, Rhode Island, Massachusetts, and Connecticut. I don't think these states would conflict with the CSA, am-I-right?

please include Maryland in your list so it won't get overran by barbarians from the south.

I'm going for something radically different this time around.

I'll take the reigns of the Empire of the Rising Sun, or just simply the Japanese Empire.

Starting plot: Tokyo (capitol) and surrounding regions.


what about kyoto? it used to be the capital...

...142 years ago.

...142 years ago.

well yeah but think of the years kyoto was the capital...

Tokyo is much more awesomer though.

The New England Alliance is made of the states of New York, New Hampshire, Ohio, West Virginia, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Maine, Vermont, Rhode Island, Massachusetts, and Connecticut. I don't think these states would conflict with the CSA, am-I-right?

I was mainly refering to the Civil War in real history, but yeah, you're right, we've controlled these lands before, haven't we. :lol:

Partly because it's cool, but mostly to keep Mathalamus in check, I call Greece.

Color is olive. Or Kool-Aid. No, olive.

Partly because it's cool, but mostly to keep Mathalamus in check, I call Greece.

Color is olive. Or Kool-Aid. No, olive.

why do you want to take a city state in check? im not htreat to you or anyone else!

I'm going for something radically different this time around.

I'll take the reigns of the Empire of the Rising Sun, or just simply the Japanese Empire.

Starting plot: Tokyo (capitol) and surrounding regions.

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/4678/japanzm.png (http://img17.imageshack.us/i/japanzm.png/)

Color: Red (obviously)

what about kyoto? it used to be the capital...

...142 years ago.

well yeah but think of the years kyoto was the capital...

Tokyo is much more awesomer though.

Well, that's Kyoto you highlighted there, not Tokyo. ;) You want Kanto, not Kansai.

Also, you claimed two territories there. Sneaky...

I'll be Kashmir

Starting province will be Jammu and Kashmir, and starting color will be the pale fawn shown on the map (I've taken the liberty of mapping all the other claims as well. Note I shifted Joe's capital to Tokyo and he's only claiming one province now :mischief: )

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m51/Grenadier_539/Kashmir.png

Edit: I rename my country the Imperial Republic of India

Official Info:

Flag of India

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m51/Grenadier_539/IOTkshmr.png

Name (Official): Imperial Republic of India
Name (Short): India

Motto: "Truth Alone Triumphs" and "Unity, Discipline and Faith"

Capital: Srinagar (to be moved to Delhi)

Development Rating: Newly-Industrialized

Government: Republic

Political setup: A de facto crowned republic. Legislative power is vested in the Grand National Assembly, the unicameral parliament, whose members select the members of the executive State Council and the Head of State ("Guardian"). (The political structure can be described as almost, but not quite, entirely unlike those of the medieval Italian merchant republics. among other similar historical examples)

Social policy: Generally liberal. The people enjoys a wide range of civil and political freedom although freedom of political expression is somewhat restricted in the name of national unity.

Economic policy: Pragmatic. Does not follow either the socialist or the capitalist model.

Military: A large and well-equipped all-volunteer military is geared towards ground and air forces. The navy currently consists of a few coastal destroyers and patrol boats

I'll be Kingdom of Kashmir

Starting province will be Jammu and Kashmir, and starting color will be the pale fawn shown on the map (I've taken the liberty of mapping all the other claims as well. Note I shifted Joe's capital to Tokyo and he's only claiming one province now :mischief: )

Info to be edited in shortly.

i do not control the edrine province. just put two dots where Istanbul would be, alright?

why do you want to take a city state in check? im not htreat to you or anyone else!

Oh right, we're doing city-states now.

Okay. I want the Peloponneseus, then.

It's technically a new day so is it to early to make a new claim yet? If I can make a new claim I call dibs on Ile-de-France

I want to wait it out until a rough 24 hours since we began, in case there are any stragglers.

ok tenchars

Well, that's Kyoto you highlighted there, not Tokyo. ;) You want Kanto, not Kansai.

Really? I guess I need to brush up on my Japanese geography then.


Also, you claimed two territories there. Sneaky...

You caught me :D

Anyhoo, I'm trusting in your post afterwords that you moved me to the correct spot.

Joecoolyo are you interested in Franco-Japanese alliance?

E350tb, how about an Anglo-Indian (Kashmiri) alliance?

Torvald whats your pick?

Kyiv, Ukraine. It's an orange dot in the centre of the country.

E350tb, how about an Anglo-Indian (Kashmiri) alliance?

Done, my friend.

oh crap did i release information and some such of the city state? i did? well ill do it the proper way.

Name (Official): Byzantine Republic of Constantinople
Name (Short): Four: Byzantium, Constantinople, Istanbul, Byzantine Republic

Motto: "we strive to be perfect"

Capital: Constantinople

Development Rating: Barely industrialized.

Government: Democratic kingdom

Political setup: a King is hereditary, but the Byzantine Government is elected. there are 200 members representing various areas of the city state, which represent all three government branches. (66 people each). the current majority ruling Government is the Conservatives

Social policy: very liberal. the citizens enjoy almost total freedom of everything. Christianity is promoted (but not islam) and the conservatives are voting to ban some Islamic items.

Economic policy: Capitalist, but important services are nationalized (schools, hospitals, electricty, water, construction)

Military: a relatively large very well armed land force, with significant storage capacity for equipment stored underground in a heavily guarded area. there are currently 2000 active planes with 8000 planes in storage. the navy consists of 30 vessels: one Basil class supercarrier, 4 light carriers, and 25 destroyers. the outer areas of Constantinople contain the msot impressive military fortications anywhere. the total numbers is 750,000.

the reason why its so strong is that if the province is taken, i'm finished. forever. please understand. if i am to finished i'm going down with a hell of a bang.

Development Rating: Barely industrialized.

Military: a relatively large very well armed land force, with significant storage capacity for equipment stored underground in a heavily guarded area.

This seems totally contradictory. How can you have a poorly industrialized nation, and yet have a very well armed force?

I would like to congratulate Thorvald on starting the third/fourth iteration of IOT. I wish you luck on maintaining it!

And, as a surprise bonus, I hereby enter the game.

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h50/Taniciusfox/IOTMapMarianFed1.png

Province claimed: Rome(not sure if the Vatican stays independent or not; I'm fine either way, though we will always yearn to control the Vatican) and therefore the province of Lazio in central Italy.

Name: Marian Federation

Color: Dark red.

Language: Romance English - mostly English, but with a unified pronunciation scheme(Romance pronunciation like in Spanish) so its easier to learn; worthless synonyms (such as U-Boat) also gutted like there's no tomorrow.

Capital: Rome

Ruler: President Marius Shadonus and Prime Minister Gaius Mobius.

Government: Semi-Presidential Republic with a Prime Minister AND President, each having a head of government and head of state role, respectively. Prime Minister elected by the unicameral legislature(Senate, made up of those given honors by the President and the individuals who are elected by the largest taxpayers, their numbers equal to those appointed by the Presidency) and has position ceremonially confirmed by the President, or vetoed, with 2/3 required to appoint the PM against the President's will. President is directly-elected by the qualified voting populace(veterans, their fathers, and their sons; the top 10% of taxpayers; and all those given the voting honor jointly by the President and Prime Minister). There is a Supreme Court, composed of one member appointed unanimously by the PM, one unanimously by the President, one by joint-agreement of the President and PM, one by honor Senators, one by wealthy Senators, and two by joint-agreement of the President and PM, with 3/5 approval by all sitting Senators. This makes for a total of seven Justices.

Population: 5.6 million(as according to statistics on the province of Lazio in modern Italy).

History: The Marian Federation was formed by the conquests of Marius, who unified the villages of the region and was promptly elected President - not a hard task to imagine, as he was King of his influential home town, and when the elections were first held, "bureaucratic delays" had made it so for the most part, only soldiers and their families loyal to him were the ones voting - of the unified Marian Federation. While formed by conquest, Marius has worked to craft an image of mutual interest and harmony between the formerly-independent cities and villages, hence the use of "Federation" rather than "Empire", and hence has extended possible membership in the government and military service to all citizens... though the system is fairly rigged so pro-Marians are often the only ones to be "approved" into the military, and thus, be able to vote.

Military: 452,000 soldiers. The Marian military is quite large because of the fact the nation was formed by war, and that new citizens are all too eager to join the ranks and be able to vote(a justification for politically-oriented rejections). Marius has sought to trim the fat from the military to allow more citizens to work on the economy - 8% of the population being soldiers obviously has impacted peaceful growth. The logic is that a stronger economy will allow a much better army to be built with superior training and technology.

Character: Mostly-neutral. Being small, the Federation currently has no interest in wars, and only attacks when the vital trade routes are threatened. The Marian Federation has been slowly building a navy to find good locations for outposts and trade partners along the Mediterranean coastline. As such, it is more eager to make friends than enemies, though as the bloody formation will show, it is still all too willing to fight when necessary to protect its interests.

Domestic Policies: Archconservative due to power being concentrated in the hands of the military oligarchy and the wealthy.

This seems totally contradictory. How can you have a poorly industrialized nation, and yet have a very well armed force?

....oh damn. can i buy some advanced military equipment?

Motto: "we strive to be perfect"

How fitting. :mischief:

Social policy: very liberal. the citizens enjoy almost total freedom of everything. Christianity is promoted (but not islam) and the conservatives are voting to ban some Islamic items.

So you are discriminating against part of your population?

Economic policy: Capitalist, but important services are nationalized (schools, hospitals, electricty, water, construction)

That's verging on socialism there. :mischief:

the reason why its so strong is that if the province is taken, i'm finished. forever. please understand. if i am to finished i'm going down with a hell of a bang.

The Rewfar places a 500 million Altairian dollars bounty on Mathalamus' head. Hunt starts now

....oh damn. can i buy some advanced military equipment?

Sure you can. How would you like some Indian nuclear missiles artillery equipments?

Sure you can. How would you like some Indian nuclear missiles artillery equipments?

sure ill take 1000. how much?

sure ill take 1000. how much?

As soon as you stop discriminating people on the basis of their religion.

As soon as you stop discriminating people on the basis of their religion.

how? im promoting Christianity.. Muslims have all rights as a citizen... i didnt ban islam or discourage it.

how? im promoting Christianity.. Muslims have all rights as a citizen... i didnt ban islam or discourage it.

And why should a government, which is supposed to represent all citizens, be promoting one religion over any other? And why should they "ban some Islamic items"? It's this sort of thinking that has got Kashmir into conflict so many times.

We will sell you the artillery, at several million Genericcurrency each. This is double the normal price.

And why should a government, which is supposed to represent all citizens, be promoting one religion over any other? And why should they "ban some Islamic items"? It's this sort of thinking that has got Kashmir into conflict so many times.

We will sell you the artillery, at several million Genericcurrency each. This is double the normal price.

fine i will end the selective promotion. but I'm still turning several mosques into Churches.

the council is voting, but ill just burn it. persecution is still bad.

fine i will end the selective promotion. but I'm still turning several mosques into Churches.

Have you got consent from the Muslim community for that?

By the way, if you're thinking of the Hagia Sophia, that's a museum now, not a mosque. ;)

Have you got consent from the Muslim community for that?

By the way, if you're thinking of the Hagia Sophia, that's a museum now, not a mosque. ;)

well i converted it back to the original purpose. a church.

....oh damn. can i buy some advanced military equipment?

The mighty French people will be willing to sell you some high (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Mirage_2000) quality (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FAMAS) weapons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Leygues_class_frigate) at (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leclerc) a low (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZSU-23-4) price (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapier).;)

The mighty French people will be willing to sell you some high (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Mirage_2000) quality (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FAMAS) weapons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Leygues_class_frigate) at (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leclerc) a low (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZSU-23-4) price (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapier).;)

hmm... ill take 10000 fighter planes, 1 million assault rifles, 5,000 of each tank and five frigates.

make sure they work on offense, not retreat (french joke)

cost please. (if you cant make all those at once ill accept monthly delivery until its done)

ten dollars each

ten dollars each

so.. 10,150,050 dollars will be delivered to you. ectronically of course. by paypal.

please deliver the ordinace however you can.

They'll be delivered by a Mime in a Hot air balloon.

They'll be delivered by a Mime in a Hot air balloon.

we will construct a dock necessary for that, and have firefighters standing by. Hindenburg was a disaster...

hmm... ill take 10000 fighter planes, 1 million assault rifles, 5,000 of each tank and five frigates.



USAF numbers = 5,573 aircraft, of which 2,132 are fighters.

US Army numbers (assault rifle numbers less than) = 539,675 Active personnel. 557,375 Reserve personnel.

Number of Leclerc tanks = 406 + 388 overseas.

Try again.

make sure they work on offense, not retreat (french joke)

The Old Guard has a bone to pick with you.

cost please. (if you cant make all those at once ill accept monthly delivery until its done)

Put it this way - you can't afford it.

Joecoolyo are you interested in Franco-Japanese alliance?

Sure, why not!

USAF numbers = 5,573 aircraft, of which 2,132 are fighters.

US Army numbers (assault rifle numbers less than) = 539,675 Active personnel. 557,375 Reserve personnel.

Number of Leclerc tanks = 406 + 388 overseas.

Try again.

dont care. he is willing to supply me with the planes. they may seem high, but tis worth it for extraterritorial missions. same with tanks and assault rifles. if you needed help, i would help you.

The Old Guard has a bone to pick with you.

well i dont. im considering this a fresh start

Put it this way - you can't afford it.

all of which i cannot use due to logistics, ill put into storage. and he chanrged 10 bucks each, its mroe than 10 million, but its not much.

Good luck crewing all that stuff then. And maintaining it.

Good luck crewing all that stuff then. And maintaining it.

its easy to maintain, and the planes and tanks and assault rifles will replace my existing ones, and the existing ones will be scrapped for a lot of spare ammunition and metal ( which will then be used to construct new buildings and military bases), and everything else you can think of. anything i cant crew will be put in storage.

im only capable of fielding 1000 active planes though. and 750 tanks.

Due to related heritage - as the Marian Federation traces its roots back to Rome, totally not for propaganda purposes - the President of the Federation, in his role as head of state, would like to propose a free trade agreement with the Byzantines, who are also the only other civilized state - currently - on the Mediterranean.

As the successors of Rome and the two current states on the Mediterranean to emerge from the global anarchy, it is important that at least trading relations be established.

Amendment:

On further inspection, it is also noticed that the Greek peoples are slowly starting to rebuild their nation, and the President also would like to propose an agreement with the Greeks. Tourism was a major part of the former Greek state's economy, and surely will be again as the state expands. As such, the Federation would like to request that most border controls be relaxed for tourists on both sides. This way, the economy of both states can swell with tourism, and the benefits will only grow with population and territory falling under the jurisdiction of each state - and thus the freedom of movement treaty.

The Senate is ready to ratify these treaties(even if it took a lot of compromise and appeal to greed to sway the overly-nationalist and wealthy Senators), so their approval will be a rubber stamp for the most part. All that is left is for the other nations to accept them.

Due to related heritage - as the Marian Federation traces its roots back to Rome, totally not for propaganda purposes - the President of the Federation, in his role as head of state, would like to propose a free trade agreement with the Byzantines, who are also the only other civilized state - currently - on the Mediterranean.

As the successors of Rome and the two current states on the Mediterranean to emerge from the global anarchy, it is important that at least trading relations be established.

we would be glad to trade with Rome. consider it done.

I shall play, as the province of Petrograd!

http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=252791&stc=1&d=1274100972

Government Type: Federal Republic. Semi-Presidential system. Authoritarian.

Corruption Levels: High. The corrupt government is fighting the even more corrupt mafia.

Economic System: Mixed between Capitalism and Socialism, though more towards the Capitalist side.

Population: 80 Million.

Military: 1,265,000 personnel, 1,300 aircraft, 300 navy vessels of various shapes and sizes. And heavy use of mercenaries is not unknown.

Development Rating: Second World.

Education: 94% Literacy rate. A triumph of previous eras

Life Expectancy: 80 years. And dropping.

I shall play, as the province of Petrograd!

http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=252791&stc=1&d=1274100972

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f4/Flag_of_Saint_Petersburg_Russia.svg

Government Type: Federal Republic. Semi-Presidential system. Authoritarian.

Corruption Levels: High. The corrupt government is fighting the even more corrupt mafia.

Economic System: Mixed between Capitalism and Socialism, though more towards the Capitalist side.

Population: 14 Million.

Military: 200,000 personnel, 300 aircraft, 300 navy vessels of various shapes and sizes. But heavy use of mercenaries is not unknown.

three hundred ships? i'm barely managing to support just thirty and i have 2 million more people than you...

The coastguard is mixed in with the navy, as are police ships (many of which are needed to help patrol the busy traffic of the Baltic)

The coastguard is mixed in with the navy, as are police ships (many of which are needed to help patrol the busy traffic of the Baltic)

oh. i see.

USAF numbers = 5,573 aircraft, of which 2,132 are fighters.

US Army numbers (assault rifle numbers less than) = 539,675 Active personnel. 557,375 Reserve personnel.

Number of Leclerc tanks = 406 + 388 overseas.

Try again.

Perhaps those are WWII equipments.

Some more information about Kosovo:
Flag link here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_of_Kosovo.svg)

Name (Official): Republic of Kosovo
Name (Short): Kosovar

Motto: "We Stand Together"

Capital: Pristina

Development Rating: Developing

Government: Republic

Political setup: The current Government of the Republic of Kosovo comprises the prime minister, the deputy prime ministers as well as ministers. Hashim Thaçi is the Prime Minister of Kosovo and head of the Government.
The Assembly of Kosovo has 120 members elected for a four-year term. According to the Constitutional Framework, Kosovo shall have an Assembly consisting of 120 members. The Assembly includes twenty reserved seats: ten for Kosovar Serbs and ten for non-Serb minorities (e.g., Bosniak, Roma, etc.). Kosovo has a multi-party system, with numerous parties in which no one party often has a chance of gaining power alone, and parties must work with each other to form coalition governments.
The Assembly passes all laws in Kosovo, ratifies international treaties, appoints the President, Prime Minister, ministers, and justices of all courts, adopts the budget and performs other duties as established by the Constitution. The Parliament can pass a vote of no-confidence on the Government by a majority of the members.

Social policy: Liberal

Economic policy: Aims toward Free Trade

Military: Not very strong compared to other nations surrounding it, with a current military of only 2500.

Identifying colour on the world map.

I want lime.

Lime is already taken, so I gave you a sea green.

OOC: Tanicus, there is a Greek country, you know.

IC:

President Omega was looking at some papers, nothing that serious. It seemed like just an average work day, when an aide barged into the room, screaming "PRESIDENT OMEEEEEEEEEEEGA!!!". This easily startled the president, accidentally dropping the papers, which were basic drills in case Boston was about to be air raided or nuked, any part of the alliance was going to be nuked besides Boston, invasions by Québec, invasions by the CSA, any invasions by sea, wide outbreak of a incurable, fatal disease, zombie apocalypse, alien invasion, the general. Omega quickly looked up and asked, "What"? The aide said, "We lost contact with the /entire/ alliance, execpt for Massachusetts".

This was extremely alarming to the president. "The entire Alliance?", he thought to himself in disbelief. Omega then quickly asked, "What happened"? The aide just sighed, looked down, and said "I don't know, but it must be big, like a extremely well-placed terrorist takeover". This thought almost strangled his sanity. He wasn't a Massachusetts native, oh no. He was from the state of New York. "My family...", he muttered. "My friends... my... prized video game collection". The aide then said, "Well, you brought your games and consoles with you when you were sworn in as president, but I can't help you with the others". Omega's sadness then turned into rage. "We MUST get the Massachusetts Regulars to visit every state, and find out why they suddenly went missing. We'll start with New York, but I'm going to tell Congress it's for NYC and the resulting economics".

Later, when the president gave out a speech telling everyone the states went missing, Congress immediately went into session on what to do. In a record of 5 minutes, Congress unanimously agreed to send the Massachusetts Regulars to New York, and all other states required.

Name (Official): The United Arab League of Ar Riyadh
Name (Short): Arab League
Motto: (Let the Arabs rule) السماح للحكم العرب
Capital: Riyadh
Development rating: Second World
Economy/Industry: The Arab League boasts a large tourism industry because of the traditional Hajj to Mecca. Even though our state does not enclose Mecca, many tourists seek Riyadh as a resting place. Tourism makes up the largest part of our economy, but the oil industry gives us most of our money.
Political Setup: We have a strong Theocracy-based Monarchy with a Dynasty that goes back to Muhammad (The year 1 according to our Calendar). The King controls all industry, armed forces, diplomacy, etc...
Social Policy: We will persecute any non-Muslims or anyone who promotes any non-Islamic ideas or opposes the King or questions his wishes in any way.
Foreign Policy: Largely aggressive towards anti-Muslim states. But, if you are a liberal religious society, we will trade with you regularly.
Army: We have a powerful, aggressive, technologically advanced army.
Air Force: We have an uncontrollable air force. We deeply apologize if a suicide bomber attacks a large monument of yours.
Navy: We have a small navy.


Flag to come later.

Alright, first official map update! See the front page for details.

I tweaked a few of the colours so they wouldn't be too mistakable. To keep "official" records clean, I linked each nation with the first bio page I came across so you only need to modify a single post. If I overlooked anyone, give me the link to the page. "Capital" refers to both the stated capital city and its home province (in brackets), unless no city is stated or it is its own territory.

Players may now begin expanding into other territories. I, for example, will move into the surrounding Kyiv Oblast.

The German Republic expands into the City of Berlin. Soon after, Berlin has been made into the offical capital.

I claim this province in the name of the Empire!

http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/981/imperealjapan.jpg (http://img534.imageshack.us/i/imperealjapan.jpg/)

Air Force: We have an uncontrollable air force. We deeply apologize if a suicide bomber attacks a large monument of yours.


then why do you HAVE a bloody air force if you cannot control it??

Nice job, Thorvald, however for my capital I put Pristina, not Kosovo. Kosovo is the name of my country.

then why do you HAVE a bloody air force if you cannot control it??
Hey, it's my country! :p
But, we would like to try to quench the terrorism and organize a more stable air force.

We will try and enforce security with numerous scans for the shifty-looking. If a bomber is approaching your territory, please try to shoot him down. We will take no offense.

Okay I need a name. Alaska just wont do. I am now Alliance of Tactical Tenacious Amerites a Country Konnected (ATTACK for short)

EDIT: Few questions. Have we started? Are there turns or is it basically played in real time? How far can you expand in one turn or how long does it take to get a new territory?

EDIT2: Oh, I see we started and I capture the NW most province of Canada, more if I am allowed.

Hey, it's my country! :p
But, we would like to try to quench the terrorism and organize a more stable air force.

We will try and enforce security with numerous scans for the shifty-looking. If a bomber is approaching your territory, please try to shoot him down. We will take no offense.

well, good enough. the Byzantines can help you with increasing your stability fo your air force.

That would be greatly appreciated.

when you claim the Mecca region ill ship over some new security items, a plane monitoring system. and we will give you several thousand AA guns. manufactured in Constantinople of course.

we don't have cargo ships, so ill send the equipment to Jeddah by Destroyers or frigates.

Since I can, I officially claim Ile-de-France (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%8Ele-de-France_(region)) and Burgundy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burgundy_(French_region)) If it's OK to claim two small provinces on a second turn, and I officially move my capital from Quebec city to Paris. On a separate note I'd like to propose the treaty of Nantes which basically is a guarantee that signatories won't make claims into other signatories core territory.

Since I can, I officially claim Ile-de-France and Burgundy If it's OK to claim two small provinces on a second turn, and I officially move my capital from Quebec city to Paris. On a separate note I'd like to propose the treaty of Nantes which basically is a guarantee that signatories won't make claims into other signatories core territory.

hard to define the core territory. the core territory may not even be the capital region.

If there are no objections, I claim Central Serbia and Vojodina (basically, the whole of Serbia.)

I would like Al Madīnah and Makkah, please.

I also take the SW corner of Canada.

hard to define the core territory. the core territory may not even be the capital region.

That's part of the point, we will have to state what we're aiming for, a good example would be that I consider my core territory to be modern metropolitan France as for you I don't know what your specifically aiming to build with a independent Greece and Kosovo/Serbia, perhaps you can expand into Asia and North Africa:dunno:.

For my second round of claims, I shall be taking Northern Baja California

http://i556.photobucket.com/albums/ss3/GruffyddGlyndwr/Pacifistan4.jpg

British troops roll into Kent and, if at all possible, East Sussex.

ill play as china. give me its westernmost region and we shall be orange on the map

ill play as china. give me its westernmost region and we shall be orange on the map

cant you start with bejing? usually the first territory you have will be your capital territory.

Tibet(south west) or Xinjiang(North west)?

cant you start with bejing? usually the first territory you have will be your capital territory.
ok, make it beejing instead. what difference does it make

In reality, none.

I'll give you a darker orange, since I'm orange already.

It doesn't make a difference. You can take whatever you want

As for my second round claims, I'd like Georgia, and if I'm allowed, North Carolina. I also set up a temporary capital in Charleston, SC.

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h50/Taniciusfox/IOTMapMarianFed1stClaims.png

The Federation is preparing a mass mobilisation of troops, all in the hopes of federalising the former Italian regions of Umbria and Tuscany. The fully-expanded Federation would look like the above picture.

Doubling the state's size does seem like an enormous undertaking, but this is in response to other powers also seizing great swaths of territory.

hey a question. did we colonize the new earth at our starting locations (and lost the technology on purpose) or did we rebel from our former countries?

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h50/Taniciusfox/IOTMapMarianFed1stClaims.png

The Federation is preparing a mass mobilisation of troops, all in the hopes of federalising the former Italian regions of Umbria and Tuscany. The fully-expanded Federation would look like the above picture.

Doubling the state's size does seem like an enormous undertaking, but this is in response to other powers also seizing great swaths of territory.

Byzantium asks Rome for a full alliance.

hey a question. did we colonize the new earth at our starting locations (and lost the technology on purpose) or did we rebel from our former countries?

I myself run on the idea that there was a great Cataclysm that destroyed all the governments of the world(as seen in my posts proposing treaties with Byzantium and Greece), with various cities turning into city-states afterward and working to rebuild their former nations...

...and perhaps more. ;)

Byzantium asks Rome for a full alliance.

The Federation is very happy to hear of such an offer, however, it must politely decline for now; there seems to be great hostility towards Byzantium, and the world is currently very unstable, with expansions and revolutions making things difficult to assess.

The Federation, however, will keep the offer on the table for the future. Once the world's political climate stabilises, the Federation will begin to pick and choose its allies, and the Byzantines may be one of them.

As a compensation for this rejection, the Federation reminds the Byzantines that they too should be trying to claim more territory to ensure they do not fall behind.

I myself run on the idea that there was a great Cataclysm that destroyed all the governments of the world(as seen in my posts proposing treaties with Byzantium and Greece), with various cities turning into city-states afterward and working to rebuild their former nations...

...and perhaps more. ;)

ah. ok, i was just wondering if the nation state of turkey would attack me or something. or even fi they exist... good to know they don't.

I've updated my country bio on my first post.

Here's a copy of it for those too lazy to go back to the 1st page.

After the United States split after the <insert whyever you think the US broke apart>, South Carolina quickly set itself up as independent, following the spirit it had when it declared independence from Britian, and later from the United States in the 1860's. It moved it's capital from Columbus th Charleston, and invited all southern states to join it. Quickly, Georgia and North Carolina decided to band together with SC and form the New Confederate States of America. Though people in Atlanta and Charlotte disagree, the capital remained Charleston, for now.

Population(to be updated as the Confederacy grows): 23,771,337 (Sum of all the current state populations)
Capital: Charleston

Military: Fairly good navy, with very strong coast guard. Army is mid-level, though there is much focus on expanding the army in the world of anarchy. The airforce is large enough to defend the lands that ask the NCSA for protection, but not very helpful on the offensive.

NO SLAVERY: The NCSA has learned from the mistakes of its predecessor and does not use slavery

Government: Much like the American system, but with more power for the states' rights and less government control

Economy: Cities such as Atlanta and Charlotte are major financial and business districts. There is some manufacturing and come natural resources, though not abundant. Many rural areas are still agrarian and backwards. The government is working on developing these regions

Religion: Though there is free religion, 98% of the population is Christian.

Foreign Policy: The NCSA will remain neutral in most conflicts, unless an ally is involved. Then, it is fiercly loyal to its friends

do i have to make a country bio? and can i sieze another region on my first turn

I myself run on the idea that there was a great Cataclysm that destroyed all the governments of the world(as seen in my posts proposing treaties with Byzantium and Greece), with various cities turning into city-states afterward and working to rebuild their former nations...

...and perhaps more. ;)



The Federation is very happy to hear of such an offer, however, it must politely decline for now; there seems to be great hostility towards Byzantium, and the world is currently very unstable, with expansions and revolutions making things difficult to assess.

The Federation, however, will keep the offer on the table for the future. Once the world's political climate stabilises, the Federation will begin to pick and choose its allies, and the Byzantines may be one of them.

As a compensation for this rejection, the Federation reminds the Byzantines that they too should be trying to claim more territory to ensure they do not fall behind.

Byzantium considers Romes advice. and immediately invades the edrine province.

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j195/mathalamus/NewBitmapImage-4.jpg

(note) all other invasions will be concentrated in Anatolia. and a few other things.

I knew it wouldn't last.

do i have to make a country bio? and can i sieze another region on my first turnYou don't need a bio. And what the heck, go ahead and take another territory.

I knew it wouldn't last.

You don't need a bio. And what the heck, go ahead and take another territory.

yeah once im done conquering the areas i want ill re post the country bios.

obviously sicne its turkey ill need to combine Byzantium and turkey somehow.

I take the province directly to the south of my current province.

Since we can claim two small provinces, I expand south to claim Himachal Pradesh and Indian Punjab

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m51/Grenadier_539/kashmir2.png

Wait, we can claim two? Well may as well add in Saxony-Anhalt along with The City of Berlin.

Out of generosity, the Federation has compiled a map of the current major states of the world, based on information that can be gleaned from the varying sources:

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h50/Taniciusfox/iotmap2.png

CivGen, just for the record do you have any long term plans for Luxembourg or Alasce-Lorraine? Since it's clear we're going to border each other maybe we should strategize our claims.

Can you seriously not make the map bigger?

Out of generosity, the Federation has compiled a map of the current major states of the world, based on information that can be gleaned from the varying sources:

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h50/Taniciusfox/iotmap2.png

It looks like you forgot China:p

Thorvald, at this rate it's going to take forever to claim all the territories. I suggest that:
- we be allowed to claim up to 10 territories each update and
- single pixel territories be counted as 1/2 a territory, and
- each non-single-pixel territory in Australia, USA, China, Canada, Brazil, Russia and India counting as 2 territories (as they are large ones)
- Each poster will have to explicitly state and map these territories in the thread.

Thorvald, at this rate it's going to take forever to claim all the territories. I suggest we be allowed to claim up to 10 territories each update, with single pixel territories counting as 1/2 a territory, and each territory in Australia, USA, China, Canada, Brazil, Russia and India counting as 2 territories. Each poster will have to explicitly state and map these territories in the thread.

I think this was his original point, basically this to stop people from gobbling up multiple countries in a single turn.

I think this was his original point, basically this to stop people from gobbling up multiple countries in a single turn.

Yes, but this way it's too slow. Also, at present there's no distinction between small and large territories. Single pixels like Berlin and smaller provinces like Brandenburg should not have the same value as, say, California.

What I am suggesting speeds up the process considerably as well as making it fairer while still avoiding wholesale multiple-countries landgrab.

I can see how your proposal makes sense but in the end it's up to Thorvald to decide but I don't think hes logged in at the moment.

CivGen, just for the record do you have any long term plans for Luxembourg or Alasce-Lorraine? Since it's clear we're going to border each other maybe we should strategize our claims.

I'll be bordering you too. :p

I, for one, will be willing to stay out of France if you stay out of Italy.

There will of course, be the issue of Corsica...

In which case, the Federation voices its intentions to claim Corsica due to its historical ties to Italy first and foremost, not having been French until 1770.

Can you seriously not make the map bigger?

I was just using the original source map. :p

I had the zoom feature to assist. Copy-pasting into Paint is quite useful. ;)

It looks like you forgot China:p

Thorvald's map didn't have China on it. ;)

I'll be bordering you too. :p

I, for one, will be willing to stay out of France if you stay out of Italy.

There will of course, be the issue of Corsica...

In which case, the Federation voices its intentions to claim Corsica due to its historical ties to Italy first and foremost, not having been French until 1770.

If you want it that badly then the French surrender:D our claim to it, how ever as a compromise I lay future claim to Monaco and the Balearic Islands(I need a stepping stone to Africa hint hint;))

i know its only been five hours but i want to make up for not claiming anything in the first day. if tis not valid i apologize.

Byzantine forces has taken North West Anatolia. the plus side is that we still don't need new soldiers for some time.

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j195/mathalamus/NewBitmapImage-5.jpg

President Omega just woke up after a good night's rest, and after getting some coffee, went straight to work. Immediately on his desk was a top-priority folder about the "Missing States". While no one still knows why all contact with them is gone, it was great news, nevertheless. Apparently, there were many 6-Month enlistees into the Massachusetts Regulars, that they had the manpower to search a second state.

The choice, however, was hard. Should he start north, and then work his way down? Go south, and later take the northern states when there's time? This is some serious business, but then, he realized Québec. If they really wanted to, they could claim Maine for no reason. Annexing a member state was simply inexcusable, and therefore had to take it, fast. So, in order Maine, he first had to get communications with New Hampshire back online. Since there was only enough manpower for an additional state, he signed the New Hampshire section, put the folder in the "Completed" pile, took a sip of coffee, and dived into the other matters.

OOC: So, if you're too lazy to read, I'm claiming New York from my last story and New Hampshire from this story.

My only interests in the Americas Include Quebec, Martinique, Guadeloupe, French Guiana, Newfoundland and Labrador, Haiti, and maybe Louisiana so New England has nothing to worry from us.

If you want it that badly then the French surrender:D our claim to it, how ever as a compromise I lay future claim to Monaco and the Balearic Islands(I need a stepping stone to Africa hint hint;))

The President accepts this Executive Agreement, and will respect - and endorse - all French claims to Monaco, as well as avoid extending into the Baleares whenever the opportunity arises.

And France will stay the hell out of Italy and no further east then Alasce (excluding Africa and Asia).

Note: we consider the Indian subcontinent and the Stans to be in the Kashmiri sphere of influence.

ok.............

We seem to have a nice little Berlin Conference being held here!

Except we are now working on partitioning the post-Cataclysm world into more acceptable pieces...

We seem to have a nice little Berlin Conference being held here!

Except we are now working on partitioning the post-Cataclysm world into more acceptable pieces...

i wasn't invited :p

but seriously i want these areas to be reserved for me ( i know im using an outdated map but it isn't that bad):
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j195/mathalamus/NewBitmapImage2.jpg

the pinks areas are the ones i want reserved for me. and it is open for negotiation.

The President of the Marian Federation would like to ask a question of the Byzantines, and indeed, of the international community.

Given the conflicting heritages and historical locations - especially in northern Greece - of these states, what are the nations' positions on eachother?

As they are currently the only two civilised states on the Mediterranean Sea besides the Federation, it is of importance to know what relations the future could hold between the two.

Well if we can claim more territory I would like to push westward as far as possible into Canada. But don't worry I wont attack (hehe pun) anytime soon.

Well if we can claim more territory I would like to push westward as far as possible into Canada. But don't worry I wont attack (hehe pun) anytime soon.

If you go west you'll be in Russia.

The Petrograd Republic sternly opposes any expansion into its Russian homeland.

If you go west you'll be in Russia.

Next turn, sure.

And so future diplomatic crises are ready to be started...

President Virote, the Federation has received news that a potential state could be formed somewhere in Russia, however. How do you respond?

(Translation: My friend's pondering joining the game, and will start in either Mexico, Mongolia or Russia; as he has a fetish for Russia and Aztecs, you can see the chances are high he'll end up in Russia)

The President of the Marian Federation would like to ask a question of the Byzantines, and indeed, of the international community.

Given the conflicting heritages and historical locations - especially in northern Greece - of these states, what are the nations' positions on eachother?

As they are currently the only two civilised states on the Mediterranean Sea besides the Federation, it is of importance to know what relations the future could hold between the two.

Byzantium diplomatic position with all the civilized states are currently neutral.

hey, Ukraine: i can give up my claims to Crimea if you would allow us to establish a naval base there.

(if you don't want my naval base there ill give it up anyway)

I would like to call together all of NA to a strongly packed alliance. I propose the following map, which can be debated as necessary.

And so future diplomatic crises are ready to be started...

President Virote, the Federation has received news that a potential state could be formed somewhere in Russia, however. How do you respond?

(Translation: My friend's pondering joining the game, and will start in either Mexico, Mongolia or Russia; as he has a fetish for Russia and Aztecs, you can see the chances are high he'll end up in Russia)

Hmm... That is a tough call. President Virote Donsky has had an emergency meeting to discuss the matter...

...Would said party be interested in setting up over the other side of the Urals, or would they be hellbent on taking control of European Russia? If it is the former, then the two (well, three if you count Kyiv) Russian states can peacefully coexist.

Well if we can claim more territory I would like to push westward as far as possible into Canada. But don't worry I wont attack (hehe pun) anytime soon.

If you go west you'll be in Russia.

Next turn, sure.

No, you said you'll be expanding into Canada, which is east.

Whoa wait, we can claim two provinces?

I then also claim the one province north of me in the name of the Empire.

Oh yeah, :p I mean east.

I would like to call together all of NA to a strongly packed alliance. I propose the following map, which can be debated as necessary.

This map doth appeal to me greatly.

I would like to call together all of NA to a strongly packed alliance. I propose the following map, which can be debated as necessary.

I don't need nearly that much territory in North America, lets give some of mine to Britan insted also Owen perfers to stay along the west coast so how about these changes to your map252869

And so future diplomatic crises are ready to be started...

President Virote, the Federation has received news that a potential state could be formed somewhere in Russia, however. How do you respond?

(Translation: My friend's pondering joining the game, and will start in either Mexico, Mongolia or Russia; as he has a fetish for Russia and Aztecs, you can see the chances are high he'll end up in Russia)

ask him if he's interested in joining as Spain/Mexico, Egypt/Sudan, Siam or, United Provinces of Central America:)

I don't need nearly that much territory in North America, lets give some of mine to Britan insted also Owen perfers to stay along the west coast so how about these changes to your map252869

Britain stays in Britain. This is AMERICA. If you would like more room in Europe then the rest of us will take what you don't want. And to everyone in NA, MMP?

How about this map NAers? And the MMP stands for mutual protection pact. (meaning if someone DoW on one of us, the others have to join in too)

Britain stays in Britain. This is AMERICA. If you would like more room in Europe then the rest of us will take what you don't want. And to everyone in NA, MMP?Tell that to the Canadians your annexing:p

I know, but it is North America.

Map updated. I took the liberty of granting link16 his original claim to Xinjiang.

OK, here is my official decree on territory grabs:
- Absolute maximum of 5 territories can be claimed per turn.
- Microstates are half-value, so two for the price of one.
- Large territories (Canada, Siberia, Australia, etc.) count as three territories each.
- Claiming territories that are not contiguous with a player's capital counts as two territories each.
- I reserve the right to final determination of the map without explanation. :king:

Therefore, if Britain were to claim Western Australia, it could make no further claims that turn; France could claim Ontario and two other French provinces; Kosovo could claim five surrounding regions.

hey, Ukraine: i can give up my claims to Crimea if you would allow us to establish a naval base there.If we are given the Crimea, we won't permit a naval base but we will remain open to hosting Byzantine fleets.

How about this map NAers? And the MMP stands for mutual protection pact. (meaning if someone DoW on one of us, the others have to join in too)

I'd rather take Washington/Victoria, but it'll work, I suppose.

Also, I'll take Baja California Sur next. And if we're taking two, I'll take Oregon as well, thank you.

I would like to push further west into Canada to the limits of our map.

How about this map NAers? And the MMP stands for mutual protection pact. (meaning if someone DoW on one of us, the others have to join in too)

That map is insanely idiotic. First of all, why the **** do I need all that crap in the first place? I mean, Minnesota? Manitoba? They're not even remotely New English! If it was a North East alliance, maybe, but no. And Virgina? That's like me giving up Massachusetts for the Confederacy. Hello, Richmond! I mind as well take Québec while your giving me that. And Connecticut and Rhode Island is just going to be left as neutral states? They're already part of the alliance! I just need to get communications with them back online. Also, why does the 'Feds get D.C. and Delaware? Delaware's part of the alliance, and I completely surround D.C. In fact, why should anyone get D.C.? The city should be a demilitarized UN zone.

Now, here are some changes I made in the map. I scraped all "claims I had" to Canada, splitting them between Alaska and Québec. I also scrapped all of Alaska's claims in the continental USA, and gave them all to Pasifcan, since I thought they were being cheated in this deal. In return, I cut out all their land in Mexico execpt for the part of Mexico that touches California, since this really only deals with Canada & USA. Finally, I balanced the NEA/NCSA borders. Every state that seceded goes to the NCSA, that didn't goes to NEA. Thus, they lose Iowa, Kentucky, and Missouri, but they gain Virginia. I then removed New Mexico and Arizona from Pasifcan and added them to NCSA, since they were historical territories to the real CSA, but gave them Kansas (Which should have been mine), as compensation.

So, here it is:

http://i46.tinypic.com/r2uog8.png

Map updated. I took the liberty of granting link16 his original claim to Xinjiang.

OK, here is my official decree on territory grabs:
- Absolute maximum of 5 territories can be claimed per turn.
- Microstates are half-value, so two for the price of one.
- Large territories (Canada, Siberia, Australia, etc.) count as three territories each.
- Claiming territories that are not contiguous with a player's capital counts as two territories each.
- I reserve the right to final determination of the map without explanation. :king:

Therefore, if Britain were to claim Western Australia, it could make no further claims that turn; France could claim Ontario and two other French provinces; Kosovo could claim five surrounding regions.

If we are given the Crimea, we won't permit a naval base but we will remain open to hosting Byzantine fleets.

very well. our claims to Crimea is relinquished to you. you can claim it at any time.

since i already made one claim today ill claim 4 more. the pink areas are reserved land.

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j195/mathalamus/NewBitmapImage2-1.jpg

^ That sounds fine, though replace the pink with something else as that guy doesn't want it.

EDIT: Cross post. Go up two.

^ That sounds fine, though replace the pink with something else as that guy doesn't want it.

the pink shown here is land reserved by me.

Cross post, I meant the one above it. It's pretty funny though put with yours.

Actually, instead of Greece, I want to be New Macedon, with black territories.

Well, you can claim Macedonia.

Five, you say? I claim Vermont, Maine, Connecticut, Rhode Island, and Pennsylvania. Story later.

We're allowed to claim 5 now? Sweet!
My claims for this round (my claim earlier today was for last rounds claiming session).

http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/2079/newlandclaims.png (http://img534.imageshack.us/i/newlandclaims.png/)

Red is what I had before, and the light red are the 5 territories I just claimed in the name of the Empire!

Now all of the Japanese mainland is under the Empire's rule!

Next up, Korea!

For this round, the German Republic acquires the following provinces

Saxony
Mecklenburg-Vorpommern
Lower Saxony
Lubusz Voivodeship
Saxony-Anhalt

Oh, sexy.

I want Macedon for round 2, and Crete, Athens, the 2 on my north border, and the stiletto boot heel peninsula on Italy.

the red is what i had and ill be claiming the orange for china.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=252900&d=1274217378

Can't see it. :(

mine?

Wait, I can claim 5? Oky dokey, here's my claims

Baja California Sur
Oregon
Nevada
Utah
New Mexico

mine?
Yours.

Wait, I can claim 5? Oky dokey, here's my claims

Baja California Sur
Oregon
Nevada
Utah
New Mexico

That shows me you do not accept the newest proposed map.

http://i46.tinypic.com/r2uog8.png

No: I'm moving into Mexico and the Southwest.

If you give me Washington and Idaho, this is my desired holdings:

http://i556.photobucket.com/albums/ss3/GruffyddGlyndwr/NewIV.jpg

EDIT: Obviously this means I don't want New Mexico, but Arizona, that was a mistake.

Also I propose we leave the Midwest and Southern/Eastern Mexico/Latino America open for anyone else who may want to join in.

I think some of Europe's regions should be combined. They're waaaaay too small.

Either that, or divide some of the states up into counties

No: I'm moving into Mexico and the Southwest.

No, what I'm saying is that the NCSA has dibs on New Mexico already. Pick a different area.

Just a warning to all: when I speak of non-contiguous territories, I mean anything not directly neighbouring your confirmed zone of control. I may bend this for close-proximity islands (Japan), but don't be surprised if some of your claims are rescinded.

Hmmm... I'm sufficiently bored and I haven't created a bio. So I'm going to create one here (rather than edit my first post, as no one will notice). So Thorvald could you link this post to the OP.

Empire of the Rising Sun

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/1146/800pxnavalensignofjapan.png (http://img225.imageshack.us/i/800pxnavalensignofjapan.png/)

We have no need for statistics about population, military size, or government type. We aren't lacking in self-esteem and have no need to show off; as our true might will be shown in due time.

We believe that a new era is dawning upon man, a Japanese era. May the sun rise and never set! Long live the Empire!

Just copy all that, and replace Japan with Macedon, and empire with Alexander, and you have my bio.

No, what I'm saying is that the NCSA has dibs on New Mexico already. Pick a different area.

1. You can't arbitrarily call "dibs", especially since it's not even your land you're calling dibs for. You're calling it on behalf of someone else.

2. I didn't consent to that map. I'm conceding New Mexico, but I'm keeping Arizona and Western Mexico.

I don't want anything to do with the Midwest. I never have, and I never will. They do nothing but drain my economy.

Arizona, on the other hand, I need enormously, as water from the Colorado river in Arizona is pretty much is the only reason LA exists as a city today.

how about now?

That one works. :)

Blue is land already claimed this turn, orange is further expansion.

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Name (Official): The New England Alliance
Name (Short): NEA

http://www.xboxcore.com/images/Flag_NewEnglandAlliance.jpg

Motto: "Give us liberty or give us death"

Capital: Boston, Massachusetts

Development rating: First World

Economy and Industry: Heavily industrialized. Most people are white collar businessman, industry workers, or fishers. Only in Ohio and the most rural areas will you see farms.

Political setup: The Constitution

Social policy: Mixed. New York is (sadly) probably the second most liberal place in the world the old union (Trailing California), and left wing politics do dominate most of the rest. However, New Hampshire, distipe in the "real" New England, is predominantly Conservative, and Massachusetts is having a right-wing movement, as well. The current president, President Omega, is a right wing himself, and no one knows how he won the election.

Foreign policy: Peace through superior firepower, and to stay neutral ALAP

Army: There are two main branches of the army; the regulars and the militia. The regulars are the "professional" branch of the two, an enlist-only (drafting was declared unconstitutional in the NEA) army, where most people serve between 6 months and 2 years. Every regular fights in a battalion only with other members of the state (E.X. 64th New York Regulars, 8th Ohio Rangers, 2nd Rhode Island Armoured Regulars, etc, etc). Regulars serve state, not union, which makes them like the state militias of old, but only that they /are/ the army this time, there's no federal regulars to speak of. However, it is indeed the federal level that usually orders the regulars around, only being commanded at the state level when there's a crisis that needs immediate fixing. The second half is the militia, which, as logically expected, are well trained partisans that only fight when the battle reaches their town (State militias were outdated once the regulars system was made). They are mandated to spend 6 hours on one day (The 19th of April, to honor Lexington) drilling, though most units drill way more than that. When the war doesn't reach their town (I.E. Most of the time), they double as the police officers, keeping law and order.

Air force: Unlike The Army, the Air Force is nationalized. It's moderately sized, but due to where it got from (the USAF), it extremely high-tech. No one is sure if they can keep it that way.

Navy: See Air Force.

I feel so isolated. I would like to propose an alliance with anyone else willing (as long as you have some Muslims/Arabs).

Also, I propose open borders with all of the Western-ish Asian territories and the Eastern-ish Mediterranean territories to help the spread of Islam.

I feel so isolated. I would like to propose an alliance with anyone else willing (as long as you have some Muslims/Arabs).

Also, I propose open borders with all of the Western-ish Asian territories and the Eastern-ish Mediterranean territories to help the spread of Islam.
china wants to educate its people, not blind them

Here's my claim this round:

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/4656/iothetmanateexp0.png

It's a flower!

Ok, what happened to my other 4 claims?

Since they were "not included". I'd like to place in Saxony, Mecklenburg-Vorpommern, Lower Saxony, and the Lubusz Voivodeship to subsitute the other 4 claims that were NOT included.

Consider the following provances:
Saxony
Mecklenburg-Vorpommern
Lower Saxony
Lubusz Voivodeship

As FINAL choices for my territorial gains for this round (Overrules my older territorial claims that were not included). Since I did not see the waring (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=9200601&postcount=189) at the time it was posted. Please note the revisions in my previous post (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=9200404&postcount=178).

...Oh, OK. For a minute I thought I'd overlooked something.

Kashmiri claims this round:

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m51/Grenadier_539/IndianClaims.png

I also rename my country the Imperial Republic of India

Thorvald, that was a quick edit :)

I try. :)

Though I dont see a quick edit in regards to my 4 revised choices :(. Do I have to claim them again in the next round?

You gained Saxony-Anhalt in the previous update alongside Berlin. I think you think I updated twice. This is only the third round.

Apologies for my confusion Thorvald :blush:. I thought with the map update, we moved into the new round.

CivGen, just for the record do you have any long term plans for Luxembourg or Alasce-Lorraine? Since it's clear we're going to border each other maybe we should strategize our claims.

I have intentions to reach only to the French Border. But other than that, I have no intentions of having the German Republic going into France. Though I am not sure that Luxembourg nor Alasce-Lorraine were in German hands Pre-World War I

Alsace and Lorraine were conquered by Germany in the Franco-Prussian War and returned to France by the Treaty of Versailles.

Luxembourg was not occupied by Germany prior to World War I.

Righto, here are my claims.

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/2386/claims.png

This brings all of Southern England under British rule. Northern England and Scotland will be next.

So the Canadian territories count as two? I take all green, but if I can, the red too.

So the Canadian territories count as two?Three. You'll get either the Northwest Territories or Alberta, but you'll have to delay on Saskatchewan

I'll take Alberta then. So is that all I can get this turn?

Unless you want to grab something overseas.

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h50/Taniciusfox/MarianFederationNewClaims-1.png

The Marian Federation claims the Vatican and San Marino(1), Liguria(2), Emilia-Romagna(3), Piedmont(4), and Veneto(5). All are displayed in normal, rather than Marian, red.

Wow, I've really missed alot. Do I really get 5 that no one else wants? Ignoring the maps of proposed plans for North America, I'd like Virginia, Florida, Tennessee, and I'll let Texas count as 2 because it's big and because its not touching the rest of my land.

I'd be more than happy to enter into a North American Alliance. My intentions do not go (much) beyond the historical CSA, thus I do not want New Mexico. You can have it, Owen. Once I run out of land in America, I might look to the Carribean, or other "historical Confederate colonies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederate_colonies)"

EDIT: It's going on midnight, and I'm too lazy and too sleepy to add a map of my claims. Sorry, I hope that doesn't invalidate my claims.

Oh, and in case I don't get time to check this game tomorrow, can I go ahead and say what I want for tomorrow? I'm going to anyway. I'm going to claim (tomorrow) Alabama, Kentucky, Louisiana, Arkansas, and Maryland. I'll only take those if no one has claimed them before I get a chance to check this again. If anyone else claims them before then, they can have them.

France claims Centre, Upper Normandy, Lower Normandy, Picardy and Champagne-Calais.
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EDIT: I added a blank map with what I want highlighted in red to spare you from clicking multiple wikipedia links like last time

(The Confederacy is the Federation's official underground newspaper; elections are held every 5 years, or 2.5 turns for me)

The Confederacy

The Federation is expanding far faster than the electorate. Given that President Marius Shadonus just won yet another uncontested election, there are obviously plenty of outraged people within the new territories.

In order to be eligible to vote in Marian elections, a person must be a veteran, or the father or son of a veteran. Furthermore, said veteran must have serve either a full length of service - ten years - or be honorably discharged in order to receive the right to vote and also bestow this right upon their immediate male relatives.

This creates a closed circle of power: the military has to approve all soldiers, thus keeping politically-disagreeable people out of the political process. Once approved, the military can dishonorably discharge individuals if they are too unruly. As well, the Senate, which confirms military appointments, is controlled by the wealthy elites of society. And while the President can appoint honorary Senators, their number cannot exceed wealth-based Senators; the President himself is also elected by those the military elite approved, and who were in turn approved by the Senate. The same Senate also appoints the Prime Minister. As a result, the Federation is a state ruled by the military and wealthy elites, with only those favorable to their interests ever being capable of entering service, and therefore, being able to vote, as well as being able of entering office.

Furthermore, this means by the time one receives the right to vote, two Presidential terms have passed. As a result, none of the provinces outside Lazio had a say in the election. There is great anger among the masses, and there is word of riots all across the Federation. Prime Minister Gaius Mobius and Marius Shadonus have scheduled a meeting to discuss how to use their respective powers as head of government and head of state to address the situation.

The wealthy elites of the north are also angered, as they have been excluded from power due to the government in Rome confiscating much of their income-producing assets and redistributing them amongst the Latins(with over half going to the wealthy elites already in power).

The Federation is nearing a political crisis, with the people and aristocrats of the new provinces putting aside differences in the face of oppression from Rome.

(The Confederacy is the Federation's official underground newspaper; elections are held every 5 years, or 2.5 turns for me)

Byzantium highly suggest that you introduce a federal system of voting...

Byzantium highly suggest that you introduce a federal system of voting...

The President would like to remind Byzantium that the Federation is a democracy with a federal system of voting.

Our democracy, however, is built on the most deserving individuals - soldiers and the wealthy - possessing the vote, due to their honor and greatest contributions to society. The wealthiest individuals elect half the Senate, the veterans and their families elect the President, and the President fills the remainder of the Senate.

However, due to the pursuant anarchy around the world, voting at lower levels has been suspended, with all local officials appointed by the President (with Senatorial consent) who in turn appoint the officials below them, and so on. Local sovereignty will be returned as necessary.

The President would like to remind Byzantium that the Federation is a democracy with a federal system of voting.

Our democracy, however, is built on the most deserving individuals - soldiers and the wealthy - possessing the vote, due to their honor and greatest contributions to society. The wealthiest individuals elect half the Senate, the veterans and their families elect the President, and the President fills the remainder of the Senate.

However, due to the pursuant anarchy around the world, voting at lower levels has been suspended, with all local officials appointed by the President (with Senatorial consent) who in turn appoint the officials below them, and so on. Local sovereignty will be returned as necessary.

its not a democracy if only certain people vote.

Nor does wealth determines an individual's worth.

NEO INCAN EMPIRE

HISTORY
A mysterious empire that has risen up in the jungles and mountains of South America. It is unknown to where the furry beings came from, some say the gods made them, some say they were part of a experiment gone hay wire. Either way, their nation is formed of multiple city states, all acknowledging the holy blood line of the Emperor. The new nation formed quickly under the first Emperor Davcoatle, a bat.

Cause of the chaos the world is in now, many people felt safer in the cities, thus abandoning many areas of South America. This allowed the previously hidden "Neo Incans" to rise up. According to legend, their gods lead them to the ruins of the old Incan cities where they soon adopted and formulated their own culture based on the Incan people.

As of now, the Empire is under the rule of Vlaash, Crowned prince foxbat hybrid and next in line as the god emperor of the people. Though young and new to the throne, he seeks to expand the Incan nations borders. Humans who had been conquered so far have been treated into slavery, granted freedom after at least a year of service(more or less depending on their skills and if they have a criminal record).

RELIGION AND CULTURE
The Neo Incans are highly religious, sometimes calling the Neo Incan Empire the "Holy Empire." They're worship is a mix of ancestor worship, and the worship of powerful nature based fur gods, especially a mother goddess bat. The NI also formulated most of their culture based on the Incans, having managed to decipher the writing of the Incan ruins.
Though not a advanced nation, they still manage to get by with mountainous terrain yielding minerals, with a strong enduring people.

All city states have their own laws and as such must be obeyed. Failure to do so varies on the crime commited and the punishment of the city state(If the case requires it, the emperor will give his word on what he thinks should be done). Most officials are aristocrats, born and raised into their positions. However, just like the meso empires before, priests hold a great amount of power. Sacrifices are never really carried out, and if they must be, its usually those close to death who volunteer. Most rituals involve offerings of flowers or foods.

Military service is required and lasts one year to become a citizen(Women are allowed to, but they are usually given indirect jobs, but it is not unknown to see female Incan Soldiers) , both to boost economy in the poorer classes, and to booster imperial regiments. They are trained by the region they live in as a measure of defense. Though the term warrior is out of date in this time, the Incan soldiers perfer to be called "Imperial Warriors."

The God Emperor holds authority over all the nation. His word is law and is usually involved in many of the religious ceremonies. His bloodline is said to have started from the mother goddess and the heavenly/war father god. As such, people would defend the emperor with their lives if he falls under attack(Though the emperor is suppose to be trained to fight on his own just in case.). When not on duty, he usually stays at his pyramid palace.

Another thing the NIE kept, is the pyramid designs famous to meso american nations. They also prove to be a sufficient defense measure.

TRADE
The Capital, Holy Manchu, was built near water, mostly to give it a good trade income. Cause of its mineral rich position, it hopes to make itself wealthy.

Farming is not large due to lack of flat land, thus leaving the Incans with the choice of trading for food or invading.

FLAG
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its not a democracy if only certain people vote.

The Federation would like to state that if the vote can be denied on the basis of age or crimes committed, then it surely can be denied based on other criteria. Our society values hard work, which results in wealth, and honor and sacrifice, which veterans embody.

Accordingly, we are a democracy of the most worthy individuals.

Nor does wealth determines an individual's worth.

Our government uses the top 10% of taxpayers(or rather, the top 10% of people by total taxes given to the government), not the top 10% of income-earners. Only those who pay their taxes and contribute to the state are worthy of the electorate, with the exception of those who contribute to the nation's defense.

The bleeding hearts infesting the northern provinces simply do not comprehend that not all individuals are equal. Those who protect society from harm, and those who foot the bill for a stable government, are far superior to the rest of the unwashed masses.

The Federation would like to state that if the vote can be denied on the basis of age or crimes committed, then it surely can be denied based on other criteria. Our society values hard work, which results in wealth, and honor and sacrifice, which veterans embody.

Accordingly, we are a democracy of the most worthy individuals.

our age limit to vote is 14. and criminals are allowed to vote. from a secured place.

so basically anyone 14 or older can vote on stuff. there's no discrimination. at all. you still need to be a citizen though.

Says the leader of a country that discriminates against 95% of its population.

Says the leader of a country that discriminates against 95% of its population.

we don't discriminate against Turkish peoples or Muslims.

It's still funny to promote a religion that less than 5% of the population follows, isn't it?

Farming is not large due to lack of flat land, thus leaving the Incans with the choice of trading for food or invading.

They could still farm on terraces, or fish.

I'd be more than happy to enter into a North American Alliance. My intentions do not go (much) beyond the historical CSA, thus I do not want New Mexico.

New Mexico /is/ historical. It was a CSA territory, and went with them during the war. Arizona and Oklahoma also went with the CSA.

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4 new regions, in pink.

(Rather than base elections on turns, I'm basing them on time now. Every 12 hours = a year for me, or rather, every hour = a month; the Federalist Papers is the official state-controlled newspaper of the Federation)

The Federalist Papers

It's been over one year since President Marius Shadonus won the Federation's second election in a landslide victory, and more importantly, over a year since protests - and in some cases riots - erupted over alleged unfairness in the system. President Shadonus was quick to deploy the military against violent protesters, but left the disbanding of peaceful protests to the Prime Minister, who assumed temporary control of the military(the Constitution providing for the unified military and police forces to shift leadership based on the situation) for this purpose. Many protesters have been arrested across the nation, in particular in Florence, Milan, and Turin. There have been reports of minimal deaths due to careful usage of power by both the Prime Minister and President.

More importantly, however, the President made a speech two months ago about how the protesters were partially correct in their grievances. "The government in Rome and indeed, Lazio, has indeed spat on the people and disrespected the spirit of democracy," the President said. He went on to state, "the Federation is just that, a federation, a willing coalition of equal states. Nowhere in our title does it say 'Latin' or 'Roman.' Accordingly, I have sent legislation to the Senate to reform our great democracy to reflect this fact, and allow participation by the people outside Lazio."

Today, that legislation has finally passed. Senate seats were previously half apportioned at-large by the most hard-working individuals in our society, with the remaining half appointed by the President. With the new legislation, however, Senatorial composition has been drastically altered.

The Senate's numbers are now set at 80 Senators. 5 Senators will be elected from each individual province, for a total of 35, based on a runner-up system; they will be elected by the qualified majority of the hard working and the brave. 35 will then be elected at-large by the same qualified majority. The remaining 10 Senators will be appointed by the President, and they all will be appointed unanimously unless the Supreme Court chooses to invalidate an appointment by deeming the individual unfit to serve.

The President also passed reforms with the consent of the Senate to lessen the bias in the military selection system: every province is guaranteed at least 7.14 percent of the military will be from there, for a total of 50%. The remaining half of the military will be recruited as necessary.

With these reforms, the Federation's democracy has never been stronger, with a balance of state and national interests, and also ensuring the most worthy of society can all participate, regardless of location.

Well, I got some more free time than I expected. I feel bad gobbling up territory this quickly, so I'm going to ignore what I'd said earlier about claiming more land. Right now all I claim is S & N Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Virginia, Tennessee and Texas.

I feel so isolated. I would like to propose an alliance with anyone else willing (as long as you have some Muslims/Arabs).

Also, I propose open borders with all of the Western-ish Asian territories and the Eastern-ish Mediterranean territories to help the spread of Islam.
I would like more responses to this. The only response I got:

china wants to educate its people, not blind them
really didn't make much sense.

As for territory, I'll take:

Al Bāhah, Jīzan, Najrān, and the Ash Sharqīyah (eastern province).

Map updated. Again, not all claims were fulfilled. Double-check the map to verify what you did and didn't receive.

I'll also start tagging these update posts to keep a better track of everything.

Well, I got some more free time than I expected. I feel bad gobbling up territory this quickly, so I'm going to ignore what I'd said earlier about claiming more land. Right now all I claim is S & N Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Virginia, Tennessee and Texas.

Do you want N.M? Perhaps we can leave that open as well in case someone wants a midwestern nation?

`Asīr, Jīzan, Najrān, please.

Also, Wikipedia says Eastern Province covers all the Southeast areas. But the map lists me as not having them.

I claimed the rest of the Japanese mainland (you forgot the bottom two provinces on the main map).

As for this round, I'm moving offshore, in the name of the Empire!

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Pink - New claims (that long island, worth 1 since it borders me, and the 2 most southern Korean provinces, each worth 2 since I don't border it)

Red - Already under Imperial control

I didn't "forget". They weren't conjunct with what you already had; ergo, they cost two.

Also, Wikipedia says Eastern Province covers all the Southeast areas. But the map lists me as not having them.I believe you're thinking of Oman. :mischief:

Question: I currently have a plan to claim the rest of Hungary (five provinces, all fairly small). How many other provinces could I claim after that?

I didn't "forget". They weren't conjunct with what you already had; ergo, they cost two.


I thought you said Japan was an exception for that rule?

I thought you said Japan was an exception for that rule?I meant more in regard to islands; i.e. Hokkaido only costs one if you have Tohoku, Sakhalin will only cost you one, etc. because they're fairly close together. There was at least one prefecture separating you from the southwestern regions.

Question: I currently have a plan to claim the rest of Hungary (five provinces, all fairly small). How many other provinces could I claim after that?
You'll only be able to net the four provinces closest to your current borders, but you can claim any other adjacent territory.

Oh. Thanks for the clarification.

My newest claims (in black); Northern Hungary, Central Hungary, Central Transdanubia, South Transdanubia in Hungary; Slavonia in Croatia.

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Kosovo proposes the following to President Double A and Greece:

As our countries are going to border each other in the future, how about a non-aggression treaty and work out a land-claims agreement? It would mean the better for both of our countries.

I meant more in regard to islands; i.e. Hokkaido only costs one if you have Tohoku, Sakhalin will only cost you one, etc. because they're fairly close together. There was at least one prefecture separating you from the southwestern regions.


Ah, well, darn. I'll wait till next round to unite the mainland. For this round I'll stick with my Korean/Sakhalin claims.

May the sun rise and never set on the Empire!

I believe you're thinking of Oman. :mischief:

Oh, so they were too large to claim that last round? Well, in addition to my already placed claims I'll cover Oman, too.

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The Marian Federation's soldiers have pushed forth to reclaim the rebellious territory of Piedmont to re-occupy it for good, and soldiers also pushing northward across the peninsula.

Territories seeing combat depicted in red; territories already firmly Marian in dark red.

Senate composition is pending the stabilisation of the border.

Does "combat" mean combat combat?

The German Republic's influence grows to the following provances

Hamburg (City State)
Bremen (City State)
Schleswig-Holstein
Thuringia
North Rhine-Westphalia
Hesse

In all the total should be 5 territories (4 Regular Territories & 2 City States (each 1/2)) and still connected to my main nation. Please let me know if this satisfy any of the requirements so that I can revise them later if they dont.

India claiming Sind, Rajasthan, Haryana, Uttarakhand and Gujarat.

We can now build a navy!

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To China: please do not expand over the Himalayas or we will be very annoyed.