With democracy-style team games, monarchy games and even an anarchy game, I began to think what other government styles we could have in a team game. The answer...feudalism of course. (I passed on a fascism or communism game.) Here's how it would work:

I (The King) would have control over our capital city, I would decide what to build and manage tiles, etc. Any units the capital builds would be controlled by me. I would be in charge of foreign affairs, economics, and generally running the kingdom. Each time I build or capture a new city, I would allocate control of that city to a different player (the Duke). They would have control over what that city produces and units they build would be controlled by them. They would send me orders on a regular basis (I would give them screenshots of their holdings) and I would play out a few turns. Other players wishing to participate would be "knights" who belong to one city and give advice. They could potentially be installed as lord in a city built or captured by their duke, as nobody can hold more than one fief.

There will be an economic system that allows cities (fiefs) to earn and spend their own money. There will also be methods to take over other fiefs from rival players, and even overthrow me as king! There will be more details later if this gets off the ground, for now I just want to see who's interested. Any takers?

-your (hopefully) future King:king:

I'm interested.

Yeah, this seems neat, I'm interested.

sounds awesome brother, count me in

Good, We'll probably get a forum going in the next few days, with detailed rules. I will aim to play every wednesday.

Good luck, Charlemagne. Running an anarchy game has been interesting, yet worth the time. I hope that it'll be worth your time too. I just wish that more people would post orders in the Anarchy Game. :mischief:

Hey CharlemagneXLII,

Just found this thread. Sounds like a plan. I would be more than happy to help get it going. If you need anything, let me know. :thumbsup:

So I was going to start playing on wednsday, but the computer had other plans. However, Sparthage has mentioned he has a map we could use, so I'll look at that first. Bowsling, who is my brother, has requested a forum to be set up for us, hopefully that will be in a few days. Bowsling will be assisting me throughout this endeavour. When we get that, I will post more detailed rules. I might start before that though, in which case I'll post the first screenshots here (you won't need detailed rules to start).

Here are my suggested maps.

We'll start tomorrow, using Sparthage's first map, with starting locations changed. We'll play as France, in France. Feudalism's been modded so it has lots of unit support, no WW and communal corruption. Railroads are taken out.

Okay, here we go. Sparthage will be the duke of Orleans. I'll need a build queue for 10 turns, orders for any unit if you build any and labourer placement for 10 turns in Orleans, Sparthage. The warrior defending Orleans does not belong to you. Also, AI is on regent, but we will not be researching above 40%. Who would like to be the next duke?

Startup:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=254943&stc=1&d=1276201740

http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=254946&stc=1&d=1276201740

We meet the Iroquois, aka Rome:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=254947&stc=1&d=1276201740

The founding of Sparthage's duchy:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=254945&stc=1&d=1276201740

Our Kingdom, circa 2710 BC:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=254944&stc=1&d=1276201740

We are wainting on a forum for this, but I will post detailed rules saturday.

Note that the civ in England is Russia.

Okay, I played again until we founded Lyons. Who would like to be duke of Lyons? I will have detailed rules posted soon. Sparthage, I need labourer placement and build orders again. Russia has 3 cities, Iroquois 1.

Our newest fiefdom, who wants it?
http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=255133&stc=1&d=1276351937

Our Kingdom:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=255135&stc=1&d=1276352077

Technology:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=255136&stc=1&d=1276352077

I'll take Lyons. As this is on Regent, please switch the Spear to a Warrior, and then a pre-build for temple. I'm going to want to work that other cow pasture as soon as possible. Once Lyons has that food source, we can supply you with Settlers and Workers.

You are researching CB next, no?

Yes CB in five turns. The reason its on regent is because I anticipate inter-city fighting and backstabbing and whatnot to occur- that's the whole point. Science is also capped at 40% because I want us to have lots of money to trade with each other.

I am putting up city threads, so you can put your orders there in the future.

We are researching IW in 18 turns. Russia has built 3 cities, the Iroquois 1 (I saw an Iro settler heading towards the balkans.) and the Hittites, in Scandinavia, have built 2. City placement suggestions welcome for our next city in the east. Who would like to be the next lord?

Germany and Poland:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=255285&stc=1&d=1276458398

Our Kingdom:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=255286&stc=1&d=1276458398

Played a few turns to found Rheims, and learned IW from the Hittites. We need someone to be duke of the new city. We will soon go to war with the Iroquois for their audacious founding of Grand River in Carolingian lands.

Here is Rheims.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=255379&stc=1&d=1276546280

Note the location of the iron, which is usable by all cities unless someone pulls the trick of pillaging our own lands.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=255380&stc=1&d=1276546280

The King plans to burn Grand River and move it 1 NE, with the assistance of his loyal lords, once we have an actual fighting force.

To war with the foolish Iroquois! Europe shall be France!

Just found this game, never actually looked at this forum before, :lol: but I will take Rheims, and Sparthage, the answer is YES! ;)

Can you rename Rheims "Awesomeville" :D

EDIT: Lords (Dukes) could have multiple fiefs in the real Middle Ages... :mischief:

Excellent, welcome aboard. I've changed things a little, you'll eventually be able to own more than one city, once we have enough people playing. Now, go forth and build your king an army. He'll bring you iron soon enough.

1575BC-Took a bit of a break, but now we're back. And we have iron! To clarify a rule: Once we have 5 dukes playing (not including me), we will stop inviting more players (though I might increase that number later) and any city built by a duke will remain under control after that point. We are about to build our fourth city, as marked by an X below. Who would like to be duke?

http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=256029&stc=1&d=1277154491

Our empire:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=256030&stc=1&d=1277154491

Dang... I want THAT city. :( Oh well. ;)

:bump:

Does our combat system cover defensive bombard of arty and archers? :confused:

Yes for artillery, no for archers. I apologize for the delay, I've been hoping for more interest, we need someone for that next city.

Well, it should...

So RL in the form of anarchists and riot police have been delaying another update, but here we go. We need someone to take control of Tours, if you've expressed interest before, now is the time. Russia demanded 32 gold and declared war, but since they do not have mapmaking, there is no cause for alarm. We met Sumeria to the east, and they gave us mysticism. The judge (me) has ruled in favour of GamezRule, the same rules that apply to artillery in interfief combat will apply to archers and longbowman when defending. The king will however be very displeased if a duke stacks archers in their city, especially as we have iron.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=256691&stc=1&d=1277827201

http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=256693&stc=1&d=1277828157

I think it's very cool of Canada to express their feelings toward Big Brother. Too bad people are getting hurt. Wish you guys the best of luck.

I will take Tours.

Can't see a city screen for Santones, so not sure how to plan there.

Sorry about rule confusion, I want Tours to go to a new player. For now, it will remain under my control. (That's why its building a curragh for the Royal Navy.) I will only found one more city, to replace Grand River. If we get two more dukes playing, one will get Tours and the next will get Grand River.From now on, any city you guys build or take will go to you (except Tours or Grand River). This unclearness in the rules shouldn't happen again, now that we've gotten going, and I've seen the interest level.

Wow I totally forgot about this and even with me posting second that I'd be interested. I'll take Tours if that's alright and rename it Le Hobo.

I would like to officially announce the forming of a Mutual Protection Pact between the fiefs of Iberia and Awesomeville. You can get confirmation from GamezRule.

Welcome aboard, Teh Hobo. Could you PM me orders for what to build and whatnot? Check out the rules thread if you haven't already. Sparthage, I hope this MPP isn't some sort of conspiracy against the King.

It's a Mutual Protection Pact, not a Mutual Aggression Pact.

note: MY 500th POST!

edit: any update on our own sub-forum yet?

Long Live Iberia! ;)

(He is not joking, it is true, we have a MPP)

No, update on the sub forum, I doubt that will happen. I will play again on monday. (Long live the long weekend.)

Will play tuesday. Hope to be playing every 3-4 days now on, as long as I can get an efficient routine down.

Breaking news!! Allegheny has flipped to us!
http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=257237&stc=1&d=1278445780
I will turn control of Allegheny over to Cyc, if you can provide a swordsman and spearman to defend it.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=257238&stc=1&d=1278445780
We will go to war with the Iroquois soon.

Nevermind.

Because you have Iberia to expand to, and I had promised it to him if he took it. The King thanks you for your input, but would like to remind you that he has absolute power, though if you guys are all very much against going to war, I guess I'll listen. Also, we went to peace with Russia, Trondheim built the Colossus, and there is an Iro settler/warrior heading SE.

If the Iroquois enter Iberia. Kill the unit and declare war. Our land will not be compromised.

Tensions rise as an army of swordsmen set out from Aix-la-Chapelle, the capital of the Holy Roman Empire, and park themselves in a field just outside of Iroquois borders. Among them are migrants tasked with settling a new city just east of Grand River (Red X). His most generous majesty the King of France, Catalonia, Holland, Bavaria, Switzerland, Belgium, Florence, and of course, Luxembourg, has decided to lower the tax rates of everyone to 50%, except for Teh Hobo's, which will be lowered to 80% (you don't have maintenance costs).
http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=257669&stc=1&d=1278952224

Bad news everybody, this is going to end. I can only play for another month at the most, and I also just found out I put Cyc's city in the wrong spot. That would be easy to fix, actually (I know exactly what to do on a reload), but really this takes more time that I have, playing the turn takes quite a bit of time and effort, more than I have. (As evidenced by my mistake.) Maybe someone else has what it takes to be the King, but apparently not me.

I don't think there is any way to keep playing this particular game, as it would be too unfair to pass on the crown to any of you, fortunately it is not that far in. If you want to start a similar game, make it small; every city adds a lot more work.

Thanks for playing everyone, and I'm sorry to end it like this. Can we still be just friends?:p

That's too bad this seemed neat. I think you're right though, if you want to do something like this, keeping it small would be best.

Thanks for trying, CharlemagneXLII. I believe you set yourself up for too much work. Democracy Games are easier, as the work gets shifted to other players, if the games are done right. More involvement and more information for the other players makes everything much more enjoyable. Sometimes it's not so good being King. ;)

What a shame. I'd looked forward to crushing you all. ;). After my little Anarchy Game is over I might start a feudalism game of my own. Or if any of you are interested in starting it now, I could send you my ideas to improve it. Just send me a PM.

We should continue this one after some rule changes.

One of my suggestions was a MUCH smaller map, so...

Yes, I had actually started it on a small map but the power went out and fried the computer. It might also be better to have the King and turnplayer different people, so the King has less to do and isn't ruling on the actual game rules, which I had to do with unforseen circumstances. This was really more of a test run of an interesting idea.