There are some real rising 3d civ unit animators out there, I just downloaded Akula's typhoon class submarine, and I think it's the best custom submarine I've yet seen, and one of the best naval units out there, which brings me to my point, is there any chance any of the 3d animators would consider building some good ships and planes for us? There's just so many tanks, and so few ships in particular. For WW2 mods, we really have more than enough tanks, and infantry, and fighters, but could really use some bombers, and ships.

I'm not trying to rat on the people who only like doing tanks, just saying that it would be nice to have some variety, the typhoon was a pleasant shift from tanks and such.

I used to be a cut-and paste animator myself, and so I know its tons of work, no matter how you do it, 3d or 2d, and everyone's hard efforts are appreciated, certainly, I'm just throwing out a suggestion.

So, how about it? Any takers?

I agree with you TVA22 that there is really
a need for more naval and air units.
For example, no one have made a heavy or light cruiser.

if you want TVA22, ill look into some differant types of destroyers and such tonight when i get the chance. i have a favorite website i go to for navy ships planes and carriers. ill be sure to do that for ya tonight if you want.

4 out of 4 Civvers agree: More ships wanted!

I don't ever want it to seem like the "pressure is on" any unit creators to make anything at all, but if they are looking for ideas, some ships would be a good option.

What ships would you guys want? I lean more towards the "fleshing out the game" choices rather than the cool but specific units for some scenarios. Here's my top five picks:

Cruiser - Obviously, a mid-range, WWII era war ship. Bigger and more well armed than the Destroyer but smaller than the Battleship.

Torpedo Boat - This guy will upgrade to the Destroyer. Basically a small, cheap, pre-WW1 boat to go along with the early battleship.

Sloop - This could be easy to make by erasing the skull & crossbones from the Privateer sails. The sloop would be a small, fast, sailing war ship. Called the Corvette in France.

Dreadnought - This behemoth will make the Battleship race more exciting. This, the first Diesel powered Battleship, made all others obsolete when it hit the waves.

Trireme - The Galley in the game is a Bireme, I think, and the Trireme was the bigger brother. This ship dominated the Mediterranean for about a thousand years. It needs a good ramming attack though.

Other ideas -

Sorry, just couldn't stop.

Carrack - Middle ages ship. No cannons, mainly used for transport. Just to have something between the Galley and Caravel.

Longboat - The Viking boats were far sturdier affairs than their Mediterranean counterparts.

Modern Destroyer - Today's Destroyers are real butt-kickers. We need an upgrade.

I'd really like to see someone do a good WW2 carrier, or a WW1 one for that matter, a good flat-top I mean. We have an excellent kiev class and jump carrier. I'd also like to see a ww2 battleship that looks less americanized, like a Prince of Wales type ship, I like the appearance of wooden decks on ships, the civ3 iowa class battleship looks like a tin can to me. And I completely agree on the Cruiser, this would be really useful. I'm not really a fan of middle-ages european ships myself, but any ships to get the wheel rolling would be great.

Yes, I agree: We need more ships! Ancient ships like triemes or trading ships (mycenian, aegyptian, roman...)

I wish especaly, there would be a better and different looking Man O War. For use as 1st rate Ship of the line. I also miss some other sailing ships.

Ships i'd like to see

Quinquireme and Quadquireme - Larger and faster warships then the original Trireme, they required more manpower for rowing but also could transport more troops and travel faster then past ships.

WWII Cruiser - Larger and deadlier then their destroyer brethren. The Cruiser specialized in ship to ship warfare and land bombardment support.

Landing Craft Air Cushioned - Large landing craft capable of delivering 60 - 75 tons at high speeds with fast action deployability.
LCAC Link (http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/factfile/ships/ship-lcac.html)

Amphibious Assault Ship - Capable of carrying large amounts of troops in a hardened vehicle prepared for close combat support roles including anti tank, air superiority, and ground tactical support.
LHA/LHD Link (http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/factfile/ships/ship-lha.html)

Guided Missile Destroyer - The Destroyer class not aimed at sub hunting. The guided missile destroyer specializes in delivering volleys of r ockets at multiple classes of enemies including air, sea, and ground targets.
DDG Link (http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/factfile/ships/ship-dd.html)

I second the Sloop-O-War.

Sloop, fore-and-aft-rigged, single-masted sailing vessel with a single headsail jib. A sloop differs from a cutter in that it has a jibstay—a support leading from the bow to the masthead on which the jib is set. A sloop of war was a small warship, variously rigged as a barque, brig, brigantine, or ship, that carried fewer than 18 guns in the British navy and fewer than 24 in the American navy. These vessels played an active role in the American Revolution and the French Revolutionary Wars. The sloop disappeared as a warship in the mid-19th cent., but during World War II the British revived the term to designate a small escort vessel armed with 4-in. (10.2-cm) guns and depth charges.

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads2/sloop.jpg
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads2/navy_sloop.jpg
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads2/JAMAICA_MA784.jpg

Ok, if everyone could pick one ship for an uber-creator to make...


I vote for the WWII-era Cruiser.

Kal-El: Coldn't see the pics. :(

Hmmh... how do you think about a schooner? This could named Sloop too, I think.

If I could only ask for one ship, it would be this one:


Originally posted by Scipio Africanu

Amphibious Assault Ship - Capable of carrying large amounts of troops in a hardened vehicle prepared for close combat support roles including anti tank, air superiority, and ground tactical support.
LHA/LHD Link (http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/factfile/ships/ship-lha.html)


Second on the list would be one no one has mentioned ever: 1800s large sailing transport ship like a clipper ship http://www.eraoftheclipperships.com/images/flyingcloudhome.jpg
This would be an upgrade for the Galleon.

I would like to see this progression: Caravel-->Galleon-->Clipper Ship-->WWII era naval transport-->Modern amphibious assault ship.

Oh, and of course, no one has made a serious attempt on making a real (screw using the Man-o-War as . . .) Ship of the Line. I'm talking about one of those 100 gun beasts that the French and British went toe to toe with. Now that would be cool!

But alas, it's all a pipe dream. *sigh*

Gigantic sailing ships are truly things of beauty.

I like the idea of a monster Ship Of The Line too. I just use the Man O' War art in the game. It's a good looking ship, but a bigger one would be nice.

For anyone interested, there was a great book called "The History of Ships" on sale for only 8 bucks at Barnes & Noble. By a guy named Peter Kemp, I believe. It's a very nice book, hardcover, with great illustrations. It doesn't say too much about modern ships, but it goes into great detail about Ancient Mediterranean and the Age of Sail. I don't know if it was just a sale at that store though.

The HMS Victory - Lord Nelson's Flag Ship
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads2/HMS_VICTORY_Nelson::s_Flag_Ship.jpg
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads2/Victory_2.jpg
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads2/VictoryV06W.jpg

The Soleil Royale, a French Ship-of-the-Line
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads2/Soleil_Royale_MA796.jpg

The San Juan Nepomuceno, a Spanish Ship-of-the-Line
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads2/SAN_JUAN_NEPOMUCENO_Spanish_Man-O-War.jpg

The Prins Willem, a Dutch Ship-of-the-Line
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads2/PRINS_WILLEM_Dutch_S-O-L.jpg

The Wasa - A Swedish Ship-of-the-Line
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads2/Wasa_-_Swedish_S-O-L.jpg

The Wappen Von Hamburg - A German Ship-of-the-Line
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads2/WAPPEN_VON_HAMBURG_German_Warship.jpg

The Consitution - A U.S. Ship-of-the-Line
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads2/USS_Constitution.jpg

:yeah: :jump: *drool* *drool* Kal-el those are perfect! I want. I want. :love:

Well, now the trick is getting somebody to make them. ;)

C'mon, Kal-el, you can do it, can't you? :D

Yeah, I think there's a program out there that converts wooden ship models to flc's. Ha, I wish!

Originally posted by Colonel Kraken
C'mon, Kal-el, you can do it, can't you? :D

Your confidence is flattering, but unfortunately I do not have the required skills for such a task. That's one of the reasons I have been trying to get people to convert the original animations.

-If the pirate emblem were removed from the Privateer it could be used for a Cutter or a Sloop-O-War, though technically its not a sloop.

-If the Emblem were removed from the Man-O-War and replaced with the Emblem on the Frigate or the Caravel it could be used as a generic Ship-of-the-Line.

Originally posted by Rocoteh
I agree with you TVA22 that there is really
a need for more naval and air units.
For example, no one have made a heavy or light cruiser.

Im currently creating an SSN submarine after that, I think im going to do a Kirov Battlecruiser

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads2/1144_4.jpg

A battlecruiser!! Woohoo!!

Glad you like the idea thestonesfan

However any other suggestions?

You are interested in Industrial to Modern age ships, I gather.

Hmm, a Modern Destroyer would be most welcome. Someone has been chomping at the bit for WWII Aircraft carrier, but I think there is one out there.

As far as suggestions about the battlecruiser, I think most folks prefer units generic looking, so they can be used with any civ.

I am really looking forward to see the Kirov Battlecruiser.

Suggestions. A WW2 Heavy Cruiser like the Baltimore-class
should bee interesting.

im working hard on creating the 3D animation of the Kirov, however its hull is rather dificult to create in moray, it is take longer than a sub hull

Later i might do something like a WW II heavy cruiser

One glaring hole in our ship library is early 20th century warships. TVA22 and Smoking Mirror have both done great Early Battleships, but we have nothing on the destroyer or light cruiser scale from the WWI era.

Cambrian Class Light Cruisers (http://www.warships1.com/BRcl13_Cambrian.htm)

HMS Champion (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hero/champion.html)

Or even just a generic 4 stack destroyer (http://www.modelshipbuilding.com/4piper.htm) from between the wars.

Originally posted by Sparrowhawk

Or even just a generic 4 stack destroyer (http://www.modelshipbuilding.com/4piper.htm) from between the wars. [/B]

I like that one :)

I would very much like it if you did the kirov battecuiser Akula. It would take a lot of work of my hands. I have been very busy recently and i have been hardly able to do anything to my assault ship, although you will be plaeased to know that is almost done. Than i plan on doing a british equivalent the hms ocean, and i also plan to do a kuznetsov carrier. Both should be done really quickly as i can use some of my other units as templates. I had a go at a Bitish ssn, trafalgar class, but making submarines are hard. I wanted to do it the same way as the units that game with the first game, but making water effect on the hull of the sub takes a lot of time and i may scrap that idea eventually. I hurantee you when i go home at christmas, my unit production will rapidly increase with the amount of free time i will have :)

I liked your Type 42 Destroyer Dragon King.
Could there bee an Arleigh Burke in the future?

I think there should be more of an emphasis on creators to do "original" units... I mean, its really cool to have tanks for every single different country, or very specific models of ships and such, but I think creators should try to focus more on basically more generate units.

For example, Kinboat just finished the Crusader unit and that'll fill a big whole right there. More types of ships would be good I think... rather than focusing on what country built them focus instead on variation of function like battleship, cruiser, destroyer, etc. and for many different eras too. There is a huge gap between the Galley and the Frigate with only the Caravel in between. There should be varying sorts of Galley-type ships going up into the Middle Ages even, as well as more primitive sailing vessels.

I liked the pictures of the sailing ships and I hope somebody will do them...

I suppose for those creating very detailed scenarios, this is counter-productive for them... but I'm still focusing on modding the regular game, so more "generic" units would be quite nice for the sake of variation.

I understand what you mean Dom Pedro II.
...but CivFanatics have 23 000+ members.
25 or so are creators spending their free-time
making units.
For me it`s hard to think that they SHOULD do
that or that.

I'm not putting a gun to their heads. I just think it'd be good to focus on more generic units than very particular ones. Had I the software (or for that matter, the hardware) to do it, I would. As I do not, I have to rely on others as do many other people here.

Originally posted by Kal-el
I second the Sloop-O-War.I have start making such sloop. I know, the topsail (do you say this in english?) is not correct. May be, I will change it later, but first I have to test how 3D-unit-making works, because this is my first time making 3D models. Here is the pedia large icon for the sloop.

Sorry - one post, but three times...

sorry - one post, but tree times.

Nuclear Carrier would be nice....or whatever

-Mellian

There is a missing link between the Galleon and the Transport.

It seems really weird to be transporting Infantry in Galleons...

A coal powered steam ship (perhaps available with Replacable Parts) would be nice.

Perhaps something that looks like this:

http://www.ku.edu/~kansite/ww_one/naval/arabic.jpg

http://www.navsource.org/archives/09/0913000101.jpg

Smoking Mirror did a cruise ship, but its a bit modern looking.

An LST would be a great replacement for the current Transport.

http://www.navsource.org/archives/10/10120107.jpg

http://www.navsource.org/archives/10/10120108.jpg

Originally posted by Scipio Africanu
Ships i'd like to see

Landing Craft Air Cushioned - Large landing craft capable of delivering 60 - 75 tons at high speeds with fast action deployability.
LCAC Link (http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/factfile/ships/ship-lcac.html)
I second this.

Would be a nice upgrade from the LST.

yah, maybe when I'm done with my AA gun I'll try this ship.