Who do you think was the greatest ruler in the time of human civilization. Im not sure what to say myself, but maybe Philip of Macedon, he made the country a powerfull state.

Frederick the 2nd of Prussia. He built up the Prussian army for Frederick the Great.

Napoleon.

I second Toasty's vote
Napolean not only eliminated France's corrupt Monarchy but also built up his country both externally (war) and internally (schools, socialized medicine, and other things that we now take for granted.)
It's easier to help your country when you're a dictator.

peter the great, roosevelt, and the caesers all excelled at defeating the challenges they faced.

all of these have large flaws, but no rulers havent

I changed my mind. Peter the Great modernized Russia. If he was never Czar, ussia would still be in the Middle Ages.

Octavian and Napoleon come to mind, but I think it is a bit harsh to give any one person "Greatest Ruler Ever" status.

Ghengis Khan

Abraham Lincoln

me, ofcourse...

For the time and place: Churchill

Julius Caesar

Richard Nixon, naturally. :)

Great King Sejong of Choson Korea.
created the Korean language, most scientific language in the world, promoted wisdom and inventions, many world-first

Lee Kuan Yew. Absolutely astonishing.

Caesar, Alexander the Great and Temujin.

Queen Elizabeth 1

George Dubya Bush!

Genghis Khan:)

Originally posted by MrPresident
Abraham Lincoln

I agree

By BEST do you mean by conquering the Earth? Or being a good ruler? Being a good ruler it has to be Abe

I do not mean the greatest conquer, i mean who were the most good things.

Originally posted by Toasty
Napoleon.


Yep, that precisely why he was exiled. :p


Anyways , I'm inclined to vote of Octavian Augustus.

in my opinion Ramses the great - builder, conquerer and God

This is hard. I will do one from each section of the world.

Americas: Franklin D. Roosevelt
Western Europe: Augustus Caesar
Eastern Europe: Peter the Great
Africa: Ramses I
Middle East: Hammaburai
Asia/Oceana: Mao Tse-tung

I have decided on the greatest leader of all time and it is Hammaburai.

Darn, not one of the Persian rulers yet??

Oh well my vote goes to Cyrus the Great, for taking a messed up little place and making Persia :)

George Washington brought America into existence. Has to be him, although he was not the greatest American leader (Abe Lincoln).

Originally posted by syversblade
Darn, not one of the Persian rulers yet??

You want a Persian ruler.. well Shah Abbas

Pericles, guys, Pericles of Athens!

Originally posted by syversblade
Darn, not one of the Persian rulers yet??

Oh well my vote goes to Cyrus the Great, for taking a messed up little place and making Persia :)

I second this vote. He also was part of the only example of historial culture flip that i cant think of off the top of my head.

Persians, shmershians. The question is the GREATEST LEADER IN HISTORY. If your taste tends to the ancient, then Rameses I or Akhenaten has all Persians trumped.

Originally posted by syversblade
Darn, not one of the Persian rulers yet??

Oh well my vote goes to Cyrus the Great, for taking a messed up little place and making Persia :)

Agreed. ;)

The greatest ruler have been the downtrodden masses.

The greatest English king was Athelstan- combining patronage of the arts, European statesmanship and enlightened lawmaking with devastating military success.

If I had to choose one person, I'd say Octavian Augustus but a case could be made for any number of leaders.

P.S. Newbie here

Reagan or Lincoln in American history. :)

Genghis Khan. It would have to take a good ruler to say "I am the scourge of God. Heaven had delivered you into my hands that I may punish you for your sins, for you have sinned greatly." and then massacre the entire city. :) :D ;)

I'd say: Winston Churchill.

Though his killing of Kurds probably wasn't the most socially-acceptable thing he ever did.

Originally posted by naervod
This is hard. I will do one from each section of the world.

Americas: Franklin D. Roosevelt
Western Europe: Augustus Caesar
Eastern Europe: Peter the Great
Africa: Ramses I
Middle East: Hammaburai
Asia/Oceana: Mao Tse-tung

I have decided on the greatest leader of all time and it is Hammaburai.


:rolleyes:
I hope you're joking on all of those.

Originally posted by Sultan Bhargash
If your taste tends to the ancient, then Rameses I or Akhenaten


AKHENATEN?! What did HE do? All he did was kill people for not following his stupid religon.

Akhenaten was a religous heretic who brought his own nation to its knees

We can seperate leaders into two classes
1.Captains in war
2.Peaceful builder who improved their country

For the first class my favourite is Ghengis Khan
For the second class Mustafa Kemal ATATURK






Centuries rarely face with geniuses. Unfortunately genius of this century is among the Turks.
Lord Chamberlain's speech in Parliment for failing to crush Turks in Greco-Turkish war of 1919-1922

Originally posted by Sa~Craig
Akhenaten was a religous heretic who brought his own nation to its knees No, he was a religious reformist who tried to lessen the power of the religious establishment of Egypt of his time (and increased his own)... and failed. Or rather, the attempt failed when he died... IIRC.

Ghengis Khan because he formed the largest empire in our Earths history.