Domestic Leader: FortyJ
Domestic Deputy: Fionn McCumhall
Domestic Chat Rep: Gonzo For Civ

Provincial Governors
Provincial governors are responsible for submitting build queues and making funding requests for rush jobs and other projects.
01-District of Bohemia ** N/A **
02-North Province CivGeneral
03-Taliesin Chieftess
04-Southwest Province Donovan Zoi
05-Rhineland Stuck As a Mac
06-South Doughnut Coast Octavian X
07-Hafen Land Bill in PDX
Please post all funding requests in the Budget Office (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=38079).

Domestic Archives
Term 3 (Eklektikos) (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=35396)
Term 2 (Zarn / Stuck As a Mac) (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=33213)
Term 1-1/2 (Fionn McCumhall) (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=32018)
Term 1 (Chiefpaco) (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=31105)

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Let the celebration Begin![party]
I want to thank all my supporters and the countless volunteers who tirelessly organized my grass roots campaign to win this election. Our unanimous support displayed in these elections has provided us with the mandate necessary to effect the changes we so dearly wish to see take place.

Deputy and Chat Reps Needed
I have opened this thread at the risk of offending my predecessor because we are 48 hours away from the beginning of the term and this office is severely understaffed. We need a deputy and a chat rep (to attend the turn chats in the event that either myself or the new deputy cannot attend).

Current Nominees/Volunteers
for Deputy: Fionn, Octavian, CivGeneral, Naervod
for Chat Rep:

On a personal note, I want to thank my predecessors for doing such a fine job and making my job that much easier. I hope that I can carry on the good work you all have started.

This post is Reserved.

I sent you a PM applying for the Deputy position.

I guess this is where I say congrats, 40J. You did the two-step into the big chair. Well done. Will we still receive your services in the Cartographic Office?

Congratulations on your official assumption of office, FortyJ. :goodjob:

The Term 3 domestic administration would just like to bring to your attention the fact that the Longterm City Placement Plan (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=37691) has finally reached quorum and is now official.

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads2/dom-270bc.jpg

As a result of a recent poll posted by the previous administration, we have established an official city placement plan. Naturally, actions by rival nations may force us to ammend this plan from time to time, but the plan has been approved and should be used as a reference for all recommendations for future city placement.

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads2/dom-cityplan-tn.gif
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Many thanks to Eklektikos for his hard work on this project.

We currently have four settlers in the field, all of which shall likely be settled during the upcoming turn chat.

We also have a settler in production in Kuhkaff which will be completed in two (2) turns. After that settler is completed, according to our current queues, the next settler will not be produced for another seventeen (17) turns!

This is unacceptable. If we are to continue to grow, we must continue to produce settlers at a faster pace than this.

All Governors are hereby instructed to produce some settlers. I'll leave the details up to you for now, but find a way. The future of Fanatika lies in our hands. We must build more cities!

340 AD - Status Report

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads3/dom-340ad.jpg

340 AD - Demographics

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads3/dom-340ad-demos.jpg

@40j - As a former Domestic Dept. Leader, I would like to share some thoughts with you about the Settler situation. I will concede on the point that we need to build a few more Settlers to mop up some prime areas left on our borders and possibly opening up because of the Japanese Incursion.

But, as I posted in your poll about the Ek Settler, I can not see sending a Settler produced on the SE coast on a 10 turn trek up to the NW coast. That one is a little to left fieldish for me. Here's an alternative or two.

If you rushed the Library in Kuhkaff for 48g, you could start a Settler there that wouls be complete in 5 turns (even with the growth in 2). We send this Settler to "C" (where the Settler south of Riga is going). We send the Settler south of Riga to "A". We send the Setter in Ek to "Q". That gives us 3 cities in 12 turns instead of 2 cities in 16 turns for a cost of 48g.

People are now voting for "A" simply because you told them to. I feel this is a bad move, as the plan I've stated above will get you what you want in less time plus a lot more. Please reconsider.

Cyc
Your plan holds merit. However, I am reluctant to move a settler to 'A' until the war with Japan is officially in the mop up stages or until we are able to secure their northern cities in a peace settlement.

I, too, would rather rush build a library in Androbius (to push the culture barriers into Riga a bit) and build a settler in Kuhkaff. In fact, I will propose this immediately for discussion/debate.

Unfortunately, the none of the governors have informed me of any such plans to build additional settlers, so I am forced to work with what we have. Weighing the options of adding another luxury to our trade network (in large, tradable quantities also) versus building a nice "buffer" town, it seemed more logical and more urgent that we build a city near the gems ASAP.

Of course, if we are able to build a settler in the North Province (in Kuhkaff), it would make much more sense to move him to site 'A' and use the settler in Eklektochtitlan for another, more accessible, location.

Thank you, 40J. I understand the prediciment you find yourself in. Please keep in mind you are the Domestic Dept. Leader and that part of this game is about politics. A swift word via PM or post to a Governor can shift an entirely stopped up situation into a very fluid one in a day. It is within your power as the left hand man to the President to make things happen. If you explain it well enough to the people they will understand.

The Settler south of Riga will not make it to site "A" for 6 or 7 turns (can't remember now), so there is plenty of time to take Kyoto and make a peace deal beneficial enough to allow a city placement of the Japanese borders. I agree that the added lux's make a city much more important than firming up our southern border, but in the moving "big picture", all three cities just outside of a t/c warrant the effort to convince Governors and citizens alike of this real need.

Domestic Department Bash
All this week, the Domestic Department will be celebrating the nominations and confirmations of our Term 4 staff! The new members bring plenty of experience and a helpful, can-do attitude that is sure to make this term a success.

So be sure to congratulate Fionn McCumhall as our new Domestic Deputy and Gonzo for Civ as our new Domestic Chat Rep!

[party] :beer: [party]

Yeah, congratulations me! :D

Congrats to fionn as well :)

This'll be a productive term...I've already completed and used my first Domestic Dept. script :D

Great news. I can't wait to see it. :)

Edit: Gonzo - don't forget to register your city name in the Cartographic Office (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=34519).

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Current Financial Report (located in Budget Thread) (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&goto=lastpost&threadid=38079)

Current City List (180kB) (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads3/dom-430ad.jpg)

Current Demographics (56kB) (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads3/dom-430ad-demos.jpg)

News:

Congratulations to our Governors! In the first three turn chats this term, we have already added (not including conquest) six cities, we currently have two settlers either already on their way to another city site or awaiting instructions to go somewhere, and we have one more on the way within the next six turns. At this pace, we will have grown the number of cities in our nation by more than 33% from the beginning of the term by the middle of the month! Keep up the great work!

We have dropped the luxury rate to 0% in hopes of growing our treasury so that we can better rush projects where needed and more often. Governors should keep a close eye on our more rapidly growing cities so that they do not riot. As a result of this, some preference will be given to rushing Temples in order to prevent rioting in the streets.

The Japanese conflict is drawing to a close and we have not yet seen a leader rise from the battlefield. While we can still hold out against hope that such a leader will emerge, we should begin planning for the production of the Forbidden Palace and the possible relocation of our capitol.

Build Queues (as of 430 AD)
District of Bohemia
Bavaria (9) Knight (5)

North Province (CivGeneral)
Valhalla (9) Harbor (1)
Kuhkaff (5) Temple (9)
Naerva (6) University (16)
Gunningheim (3) Barracks (5), Temple (20), University (34)
Androbius (2) Library (8)

Taliesin (Chieftess)
Morgana (4) Knight (1), Pikeman (8), Library (10)
Strider's Haven (6) Knight (8)
Dacula (2) Library (2), Barracks (10), Knight (35)
Penguin (2) Harbor (6), Pikeman (15)
The Burrow (9) Knight (4)
Palanthus (3) Temple (19)
New PDX (2) Library (3), Catapult (10)
Tarkingrad (2) Temple (17)

Southwest Province (Donovan Zoi)
Tlaxcala (7) Granary (1), Knight (10)
Bremershaven (10) Knight (6), Knight (7), University (10)
Eklektochtitlan (1) Pikeman (22), Library (40)
New Falcon's Nest (4) Pikeman (6)
Pensacola (2) Library (5), Catapult (10), Pikeman (15)
Civanatoria (2) Library (12), Catapult (10), Catapult (10)
Cuernavaca (2) Library (10), Pikeman (15), Granary (30)
Nocsfiedera (1) Library (32)

Rhineland (Stuck As a Mac)
Octavinium (5) Temple (4), Courthouse (16), Pikeman (6), University (20)
Sturmandrang (2) Barracks (10), Pikeman (15), Pikeman (15)
Huntington (1) Library (19), Barracks (20), Pikeman (30)
Serenity (2) Pikeman (2), Barracks (10), Pikeman (15), Temple (30),
Pikeman (15), Library (20)
Grandmastoria (1) Library (32)


Spouth Doughnut Coast (Octavian X)
Padmativa (2) Settler (6), Temple (30)

Hafen Land (Bill in PDX)
Kells (2) Library (12), Barracks (10), Pikeman (15)
Plexenburg (1) Pikeman (11), Library (40)
Kyoto (1) Pikeman (30)

Outside Provincial Borders
Hakodate (1) Library (35)
Ise (1) Library (40)

Numbers in parentheses next to city names represent the current shield production for those cities. Numbers in parentheses next to units represent the anticipated number of turns to complete this unit.[/code]

Do I need to come to you to request workers? If so....


The Southwest Province would like to begin the Great Land Enhancement which will bring forth much-needed irrigation from Eklektochtitlan to Bremershaven. A dedicated staff of 6-8 workers would be needed for this initiative. I know the workers are much in demand and I don't expect them to arrive all at once, but any help in this matter would be appreciated. Here's my plan for implementation(roads are optional, but would be necessary for fastest execution):

I can't help but notice my name as governor is entered at top as Octavinium X...

Octavian X
:lol: :lol:
Sorry. I'll change it now.

Donovan Zoi
Actually, I believe worker management falls under the all-consuming umbrella of the President, but I will pass on your request to him.

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News:

There is an important debate taking place in the citizens subforum concerning what should be done with our new Great Leader. Click to visit this thread (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=38967).

Corruption is really killing us on funds.......we should think about that...

I have posted a three part poll regarding utilisation of our Great Leader: What should we use Richthoffen for? (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=39230), if the FP, where? (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=39232) and if the Palace, where? (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=39233) Please vote in all these polls ASAP if you wish to make your voice heard before tonight's turn chat! :)

I ask the domestic department to conserve our income for a possible war on two fronts, should that happen. I currently wish to:

Rush a temple in Palanthus for 188g.

Future rushing may include:

Dacula courthouse
Penguin courthouse
New PDX courthouse

These will ease corruption and help out with our income, and war production.

40J, May I suggest that we bost our science rate so that we can get gunpowder faster and quickly get military tradition.

Thanks,
Grand Admiral CivGeneral, Govenor of the North Provance and Acting Military Deputy.

I wouldn't recommend raising our science level. Whatever we put it at, we won't research faster than the AI and will spend more in research that we would to purchase the tech.

We can speed up science at 50% (24 turns instead of our current 32), but I really think we should let trades do the learning until our cities become more developed, and our territory expands.

I would like to announce the Top 3 Cities (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=625427#post625427) for my province!

Palanthus, The Burrow and Strider's Haven!

CivGeneral
Shaitan and Chieftess have pretty much hit the nail on the head. Adjusting the tax/sci/lux rate at this time would not be in the best interest of Fanatika.

Chieftess
Nice work. I hope the other governors follow suit. A little rivalry between cities is a good thing. Maybe each governor can propose their top two cities and we can have a citizen vote for the "best" city if Fanatika. :)

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News:

The Forbidden Palace has been completed and we are witnessing a surge in productivity. Corruption has dropped noticably as a result. Not suprisingly, the effect has been felt most in the lands recently liberated from the Japanese, but the long term benefits will be felt nationwide.

Our revenues are increasing, but we should not rush (pun intended...) to assume we are in the clear. We have many troops to upgrade and we will need to purchase technology from our rivals as we are still in no position to increase research funding at this time.

Originally posted by FortyJ
CivGeneral
Shaitan and Chieftess have pretty much hit the nail on the head. Adjusting the tax/sci/lux rate at this time would not be in the best interest of Fanatika.

*Grand Admiral CivGeneral pulls out a Sign saying "The End is near" ;)

I am trying my best efforts to help the game

Originally posted by CivGeneral


*Grand Admiral CivGeneral pulls out a Sign saying "The End is near" ;)


:p


Anyway, I think we should be focusing on our roads, and seeing which cities have unworked commerce tiles (or potential ones). We also need more markets (more commerce), and universities. With the addition of ivory and gems, we have a variety of goods to trade (gee, the Trade Department just never escapes me, does it?), which helps to offset the tech costs. I also propose more coastal cities, as those give 2gpt on the coast and seas.

Well I have been placing Marketplaces and Universities in my provance. Ill add some roads to the Worker's Orders :).

I would also like to submit the following tiles for coastal cities within my province: (The coastal cities are in blue)

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads3/Fanatika_510AD_coastal.jpg

Good Idea Chieftess, I might Consider reserving some tiles in my provance for Coastal Cities :).

I would like to post here about how pleased I am with the direction of the game so far. This seems like the best place to post.

I am just amazed at how well we are doing and encourage all of our leaders, past and present, and those yet to come to keep up the good work.

In just this last t/c, Fanatika has gone from a Nation of 33 cities to one of 39. We have advanced from 8th place on the Histograph with a score of 890, all the way up to 5th with a score of 979. We are technologically advanced! And besides the fact that we are developing Culturally, we are also expanding geographically in the directions we want. I am thrilled with recent results and would like to congratulate CivGeneral on a great commandeering of the DP positon on our last t/c.

Also, on a side note, great work on your Turn Chat Instructions 40J. Very immpressive.

Originally posted by CivGeneral


*Grand Admiral CivGeneral pulls out a Sign saying "The End is near" ;)

I am trying my best efforts to help the game

CivGeneral
Your efforts are definitely appreciated. My decision was not made casually, nor should you interpret it as a critique of your efforts. It is simply a matter of mathematics.

At this time, we could increase the science rate accordingly:
Science Revenues Gunpowder Total Cost
0% +102g 32 turns 0g
10% +92g 32 turns 320g (32 turns x 10gpt)
20% +76g 32 turns 832g (32 turns x 26gpt)
30% +61g 32 turns 1312g (32 turns x 41gpt)
40% +48g 32 turns 1728g (32 turns x 54gpt)
50% +18g 24 turns 2016g (24 turns x 84gpt)
60% +13g 23 turns 2047g (23 turns x 89gpt)
70% 0g 20 turns 2040g (20 turns x 102gpt)
80% -15g 17 turns 1989g (17 turns x 117gpt)
90% -31g 15 turns 1995g (15 turns x 133gpt)
100% -41g 14 turns 2002g (14 turns x 143gpt)
Looking at this table, there is no benefit for raising our science rate to anything less than 50% of our budget. In fact, treasury permitting, since the differences in total cost are minimal, we're better off raising the rate to 100% so that we minimize the time to research. However, doing so would cost us ~2000g to discover Gunpowder (in money that we could have earned over the time spent researching).

So what could we possibly purchase this technology for? Unfortunately (and I say that for purposes of this discussion only ;)), nobody has Gunpowder to offer us to compare these numbers directly, but there are a handful of civs that have Astronomy for sale. Not including Persia, China offers the best deal and is willing to sell us Astronomy for our World Map, 300g, and 80gpt. Now, keep in mind that Astronomy is approximately 17% more expensive to research than Gunpowder (cost numbers in the editor are 56 & 48 respectively), so it is safe to assume that the cost to purchase Gunpowder would be about 17% less as well.

With Astronomy costing approximately 1900g (300g + (20 turns x 80gpt)), if our ratio is accurate, Gunpowder would cost us ~1580g. The Astronomy prices will come down as more nations learn those secrets (only 4 have the knowledge now). It becomes clear to see that even if a small percentage of nations learn the secrets of Gunpowder before we do, we can purchase it from them for less than it would cost us to research it ourselves.

Also note that this comparison does not include any profit from sale of this technology. With twelve viable trading nations (sorry Japan, Egypt and Azteca) in the world, there are sure to be other nations to trade this knowledge to once purchased.

So, to summarize, it is through no personal satisfaction or willful avarice that we maintain a 0% research rate. The mathematics of the situation just do not support change at this time. In a while, after we have constructed a large number of libraries and universities, and after we have expanded our land area sufficiently that we have relatively more cities than the AI in which to produce this research, the math may bear this out differently and then we can increase the research rate. Just not today.

Oh, and put that sign away. We don't want to start a panic. ;)

Well said! :goodjob: Post this in the science department, and for a discussion. :D

Please note that the city of Hakodate (under your jurisdiction) has recived a Culture Flip Warning(CFW).

Hakodate has been issued a green rating(low risk) this should not be a problem as Izibia's cultural radius is too far away from Hakodate for a Culture Flip to be likely, I understand that you are building a library in Hakodate and that should neutralize the effect of Izibia's culture.

Thanks,
Plexus

600 AD - Status Report

News:

We have scored a great victory for both the Domestic and Cultural Departments! The former American city of Cleveland has abandoned their former nation and joined ours. However, the time has not yet come when we can rest on our laurels and celebrate. We must stay vigilant and coninue our push to grow more and more each turn.

Our next objective should be to acquire Satsuma and Riva through cultural assimilation as well. I encourage the governors to produce another settler for placement near the Satsuma border so that we can attempt to convert those citizens as well.

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Domestic Department - Budget Office (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=38079)

Grand Senate (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=38259)

I like your proposal CT. If we do put those in there, I suggest we do the southern one and the eastern ones first, first the southern one, then the eastern one. We would get 3 whales that way! Like I said before, I think that is a good proposal. :)

Well, the spear would be slightly less corrupted, and infact, I'm going to resquest rushing a settler for that spot.

Kagoshima is in grave danger of flipping As Kagoshima is not in a province yet, it is the Domestic Departments responsibility to handle the build queue for Kagoshima. I hope you put cultural improvements at the top of the queue for Kagoshima or we might loose it.

Naervod
Culture Deputy

Note that Kagoshima has recived a Red rating, the most severe warning on the Plexus/ Naervod culture flip warning scale.

@Naervod- Thanks for posing the above warning, I just didn't have time earlier. :)

Plexus
Cluture Chat Representative

Would the domestic department please look into the benefits of temporarily raising the science rate so as to get gunpowder faster through our own research efforts. While we can purchase gunpowder there are also three other techs on the market that we can buy.

Term 5 (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=40491)