i have to do a major major research paper for my english class, and it had to be a controversal topic, i ask if it could be the Israel-palestinian conflict and i could.
but i dont know where to look for websites :( can someone tell me some websites about the conflicts and problems? plz .org .gov .edu or any reliable sources like the BBC

any help will be good and u might win 35 pounds uranium*








*no uranium :P it was a joke

Just go to the off-topic forum and ask some questions then you will get alot of material to write about.

http://www.palestinefacts.org

I have some experience in that kind of researches in history and politics, and after four years of being an internet-user, I realized that internet is nearly useless to find some serious information; personally I prefer buying books or going to library - it is more efficient: where can you find more detalized information - on several web-pages or on hundreds of pages of books written by professors and academicians.
There's a kind of proverb in my country "Cheese for free is in mousetrap only" - If you want to make a good research paper, you'd better read a couple of books than to look for some free information in internet

I agree with bifrost that books would be better than the internet on this subject. If you have any questions about the conflict just ask and I'll do my best to answer them as objectivly as possible with the resources I have.

As a politics lecturer of mine once said, information found on the internet should be considered no more reliable than a conversation overheard in a bar ;)

The Jewish Virtual Library:
http://www.us-israel.org/

It is extremely useful when you need some factual information or when you need to hear something else than the usual trolling of Arab propaganda. A lot of lies are proved wrong with facts in this section:
http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/myths/mftoc.html
(Myths and facts online)


Oh, yeah, and you're right. Information from books and established sources is much more reliable than the often biased and rather undetailed info of the web. The above sites could be said to be Israeli biased, but that can be a good thing to try and reach a balance with the relentless pro-Palestinian biased media. And there are some interesting indisputable facts, figures, quotes etc. on the above sites...

i know i know, but we must have 3 from teh net adn 9 from books, arent org and edu sites good?

Well what are you writing about? The entire conflict? The current intifada? A certain war or process?

I can help too.
If you look at pro-Israeli sources, don't forget the other side ;)

I would look up articles by Edward Said who is a Palestinian and a professor in literature at Columbia University. He is probably the most authorative voice on the Palestinian side of the issue.
His book 'Orientalism' is probably one of the most influential in re-evaluating the culture and history of the 'East' as a whole, seen from a non-westerners viewpoint .

Said is a propagandist. His selective quoting and sharply palestinian-inclined contextualizing upsets me.

But yes, he is good ;)

One has come across Said in one's research and writing, and he is as IceBlaze says, a propagandist, who hides his disconnection from the reality of the issues with rhetoric and waffle.

All the links provided so far are pro-Israeli, so I thought I'd try to balance it out a little..

Pro-Palestinian links:

http://www.palestinemonitor.org/

http://www.palestine-net.com/

Unbiased links:

http://www.mideastweb.org/

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/mideast/

That's a good reason to stay out of the net... Take pro Israeli and pro Palestinian sites, take info from both, and you'll get one of the most confusing documents ever.... Stick to books. Tell your teacher G-Man told you to do so ;)

All I can say in this matter is; never trust an Isreli jew when it comes to "facts" about the middle-east conflict. I cannot believe the loads of BS coming out of there about their "terrorist"-hunting and them trying to ensure and defend "democracy".

Otherwise to help Stalin(excellent name btw :evil: ) I would give him a great page on Israeli war-crimes and atrocities...if only I could remember the adress... :(

Is it because we are Israelis, Jews, or both? ;)

"...Day after day, alone on the hill
The man with the foolish grin is keeping perfectly still
But nobody wants to know him
They can see that he's just a fool
As he never gives an answer
But the fool on the hill
Sees the sun going down
And the eyes in his head
See the world spinning around..."

;)

Originally posted by Chairman Yang
All I can say in this matter is; never trust an Isreli jew when it comes to "facts" about the middle-east conflict. I cannot believe the loads of BS coming out of there about their "terrorist"-hunting and them trying to ensure and defend "democracy".

Is this a troll, or are you seriously this twisted?

The common Palestinain folk are just as much a victim of this cycle of violence as the Israelis are, but I have no sympathy whatsoever for the terrorist monsters that think blowing up innocent civilians in restaurants and shopping centers is a legitimate form of warfare. Care to defend that activity?

Originally posted by Chairman Yang
All I can say in this matter is; never trust an Isreli jew when it comes to "facts" about the middle-east conflict. I cannot believe the loads of BS coming out of there about their "terrorist"-hunting and them trying to ensure and defend "democracy".

Otherwise to help Stalin(excellent name btw :evil: ) I would give him a great page on Israeli war-crimes and atrocities...if only I could remember the adress... :(

Did you intentionally use the word an "Israeli Jew", or just Israelis in general?

As for the rest of your absurd waffle, go check out some Hamas/PLO/Hezbollah sites, THEN you'll see some real goddamn propaganda!

Originally posted by nixon
As for the rest of your absurd waffle, go check out some Hamas/PLO/Hezbollah sites, THEN you'll see some real <expletive deleted> propaganda!

I think the point here is that he's seen the sites and swallowed the propaganda.

Smart attitude - always listen to tyrans, never to democratic countries. That'll give you the truth, right?

Iceblaze -
"I have legalised robbery
Called it a belief
I have run with the money
And hid like a theif
I have re-written history
With my armies and my crooks
Invented memories
I did burn all the books
And I can still hear his laughter
And I can still hear his song
The man's too big
The man's too strong"

Just to stear this thread back on topic, books on the Palestian-Israeli conflict aren't necessarily any more unbiased then websites. I remember reading noted historian Martin Gilbert's history of Israel and coming away very unsatisfied as Gilbert never sought to explain why there was confilct between Palestinians and Israelis, but simply portrayed the Palestinians as one dimensional indivuals blindly opposed to Israel.

As such, I recomend that you look for books which contain numerous academic-style essays writen from various points of view.

Why do I even bother to try and express political opinions and concerns to americans and zionists. Never mind I intervened with your indoctriantion of poor stalin006, just forget I opened my "horrible nazi-mouth!" (Am communist, but everyone who says anything, anything at all bad, about any jew, is by your definition, a nazi.) Have a fun time spreading your lies, however unintentional they are.

Chairman Yang - so far the only one saying anything about you being a nazi is yourself.

Case - it's true books aren't necessarily better, but they have much fewer chances to be such. I don't know if academic style articles are a good idea though. Such articles are usually written with a certain idea in mind which causes them to bring only evidences that support their stance, while what stalin is looking for are all the facts.

Originally posted by Chairman Yang
Why do I even bother to try and express political opinions and concerns to americans and zionists. Never mind I intervened with your indoctriantion of poor stalin006, just forget I opened my "horrible nazi-mouth!" (Am communist, but everyone who says anything, anything at all bad, about any jew, is by your definition, a nazi.) Have a fun time spreading your lies, however unintentional they are.

Who said anything about nazis?

G-man wrote:

Case - it's true books aren't necessarily better, but they have much fewer chances to be such. I don't know if academic style articles are a good idea though. Such articles are usually written with a certain idea in mind which causes them to bring only evidences that support their stance, while what stalin is looking for are all the facts.

True. Books are more subject to critical examination and review, and to be taken seriously in professional circles must properly cite all references and source data. Getting published by Oxford University Press or the like is an exercise in academic rigor as much as mere authorship. This is not to say that a crackpot can't get published, and indeed there are many obscure and weird publishing houses that put out some strange material, but at least you can count on the professional reputation of some publishers and can cross-reference other things they've published. Anyone can put anything on the web, without any critical analysis or peer review whatever. Do a Google lookup on UFO abductions or conspiracy theorists to see what I mean. There is a lot of useful and factual info out on the web, but there's also a lot - a LOT - of slog, and you need to be able to filter that crap out. When I use the web for research, it's usually just to find good and reputatble books for the real digging.

Originally posted by G-Man
Case - it's true books aren't necessarily better, but they have much fewer chances to be such. I don't know if academic style articles are a good idea though. Such articles are usually written with a certain idea in mind which causes them to bring only evidences that support their stance, while what stalin is looking for are all the facts.

True. However, academics are likely to be more reliable as when they write, they're putting their reputation, and perhaps even their job, on the line. Hence, even if they write one-sided drivel, it will generally be well argued, and reserched drivel ;)

Hmm, if I was going to do a Sociological study, I might try to asertain why so many Scandinavians are anti-Isreali (and/or pro-communist)...

:mischief: :lol:

btw, did you all catch that sig?

because we are smarter than the average american/zionist, or rather not yet fully consumed by the american propganda-machine. Soon america will have as much influence over swedish kids as they do over american kids, and then you will no longer hear words of complaint from so many scandinavians.

Upp till kamp emot kvalen, sista striden det är, ty Internationalen åt alla lycka bär...adjö kära neutralitet :(

Originally posted by Chairman Yang
because we are smarter than the average american/zionist, or rather not yet fully consumed by the american propganda-machine.

Nonsense; nobody in their right mind would chose a stable Democracy over a bloated, inefficent organization that uses slaughter of civilians as its main means.

Sweden simply does not have much vested interest in the Middle East; therefore, they can afford to extol their little political ideals; the United States does have significant interests in the region, and as such needs an ally in the area. Israel serves that purpose; for such a reason it was created, after all.

Originally posted by SeleucusNicator
for such a reason it was created, after all.

Really? I thought it was created by the British. Israel was largely ignored by the US until the mid-sixties.

There's a lot here about books vs Internet as a form of research. Hopefully, one thing the teacher is trying to do here is teach his/her pupils how to get lots of information from various sources, and then analyze it properly to cut out the bias (which exists in ALL sources) and come to a sound conclusion. There are a lot of people round these parts who could do with such a lesson :)

Originally posted by SeleucusNicator
Israel serves that purpose; for such a reason it was created, after all.

Ahoy there! I spy an historical error!

Originally posted by Switch625
Really? I thought it was created by the British. Israel was largely ignored by the US until the mid-sixties.

Newsflash all: Israel was created by zionists. The only thing the British did in order to create Israel was to run away. The Americans did even less.

my theory was:
once u go tlots of cities, it goes to new(ur capitals name) lots of cities after taht goes neo(ur capitals name) but i guess is not true now

Hmm..... When did civ3 get into the debate?

???????????wait a min.......oh i know, i posted in the wrong trhead........i have no idea how.................*welcome to the twilight zone* tu-tu tutu tu tu tu tu

Originally posted by Switch625
Really? I thought it was created by the British. Israel was largely ignored by the US until the mid-sixties.
No, G-Man did it. ;)

The British had occupied the area previously, and were not supportive of an Isreali state there, at the time.

There was some fighting against British military units in the area, but I dont know much about it.

The United States was the first nation to officially recognize Isreal, and has been its largest supporter in terms of politics, money and material.

After the UN decision there were only a few fights against British forces, most of which a result of British planes crossing the border from Egypt.