Big Ben

800 hamemrs
Great Person Merchant
Great Person points 2
Culture 1
Reduces cost of gold purchasing units by 25%
Prereq: economics


Sydney Opera House

1000 hammers
Great person Artist
Gt person pts 2
culture 1
Get free policy
Prereq: Globalization

Himeji Castle

650 hammers
Gt per engineer
gt per pts 2
culture 1
adds 25% combat strength to units fighting in friendly territory
prereq chivalry

Louvre Museum

800 hammers
gt per artist
gt per pts 2
culture 1
2 free great artists (wow)
prereq archiology


Pentagon

1200 hammers
gt per merchant
gt per pts 2
culture 1
halves unit upgrade costs
prereq: radar

Taj Mahal

700 hammers
gt per artist
gt per pts 2
culture 1
extends golden age by 50%
prereq porinting press

More wonders

Stonehenge
120 hammers
gt per engineer
gt per pts 1
culture 8
adds culture to your empire (above I guess)
prereq calander





Oracle

150 hammers
gt per scientist
gt per pts 1
culture 1
adds free policy
prereq philosophy


Great Library

150 hammers
gt per scientist
gt per pts 1
culture 1
one free tech
prereq writing


Great Lighthouse

200 hammers
gt per merchant
gt per pts 1
culture 1
adds 1 movement and sight to naval vessels

National wonders:

Here's a couple:

heroic epic

100 hammers
culture 1
adds 15% morale bonus to all units constructred in this cirt. requires barracks or krepost in all cities
prereq: iron working



Ironworks
150 hammers
culture 1
adds 20% to this city production, must have workshops in all cities
prereq: chemistry

National college
100 hammers
culture 1
adds 50% to this cities science output, must have library or paper maker in all cities
pre req writing

Oxford University

150 hammers
culture 1
grants free tech, must have university in each city
prereq education

I am afraid I am missing the point you are trying to get across.

Do you think it will work like Universal Sufferage mechanics in cIV or more as I described, applying only in relation to alliances; or something different?

The wording as quoted is both somewhat flexible and also may not accurately reflect the final game so while it gives us a framework reading into it too much is not going to be that convincing to me.
Direct quote:
"Other players' City-State Influence Points decrease 33% faster"

There is no mention of alliances. Based on the description text, this is how I described it. "...Order is more about securing your interest. Defend yourself while heading into a Diplomatic or Scientific Victory." (Emphasis mine). City state influence dropping to zero (15 for those civs with Aesthetics) is the goal for everyone but you (or you included if another player goes deep into the Order chain).

Finally, the wording couldn't be more clear to me. I was just expounding on what the basis in history might be for such a thing.
May I humbly again request any information about the Brandenburg Gate Wonder.

Brandenburg Gate
Great Person: Scientist
GPP: +2
Culture: +1
A free Great General appears near the capital.
Pre-Req: Military Science

What does the Statue of Liberty and the Machu Picchu wonders do?

Statue of Liberty

1 production specialist in each city

Manchu Picchu

adds 25% to gold gained from trade routes.
Must be built within 2 tiles of mountain.

Thanks!

How about the Eiffel Tower, Notre Dame Cathedral, Angkor Wat, The Hagia Sophia and the Sistine Chapel?

* sigh *

Ok, why not.

Eiffel Tower

adds +8 happiness (nice)


Notre Dame

adds +5 happiness (almost as nice)

Angkor Wat

reduces the cost of aquiring cultural tiles by 50% in all cities.


The Hagia Sophia

25% increase in great person production in all cities.

Sistine Chapel


adds 33% to culture in all cities

God damnit!!!

All the wonders seem useful and must haves!

How do you choose which ones to prioritise :(

Forget Elizabeth, must play ramesses!

Filled in all the missing ones

Chichen Itza
500
Engineer 1
1 Culture
Worker Construction +50%
Req: Civil Service

Cristo Redentor
1000
Artist 2
1 Culture
Reduces the Culture cost of adopting new Policies by 33%
Req: Telegraph

The Colossus
150
Merchant 1
1 Culture
Adds 1 Gold per Water Tile (Until Navigation)
Req: Bronze Working

The Forbidden Palace
500
Artist 1
1 Culture
Reduces Unhappyness from # Cities by 50%
Req: Banking

The Great Wall
350
Engineer 1
Enemy Units must spend 1 extra movement inside your borders.
Req: Construction

The Hanging Gardens
200
Artist 1
1 Culture
Adds 3 Happiness and raises the population of all cities by 1
Req: Mathematics

The Kremlin
800
Scientist 1
4 Culture
Defensive Buildings in all cities 50% more effective
Req: Acoustics

The Porcelain Tower
550
Scientist 2
1 Culture
Free Great Scientist
Req: Education

Pyramids
175
Engineer 1
1 Culture
Triggers a golden age
Req: Masonry

United Nations
1000
Merchant 2
1 Culture
Triggers voting for Diplomatic Victory
Req: Globalization

two Questions regarding wonders:

1. Do any other wonder effects become obsolete except for colossus where it is already mentioned?

2. How much production bonus for wonders does marble give? That it does was mentioned in Gregs gameplay stream.

Filled in all the missing ones

Chichen Itza
500
Engineer 1
1 Culture
Worker Construction +50%
Req: Civil Service

Does that guide clarify that bonus at all? Does it make cities build workers faster, or does it make workers build improvements faster?


Pyramids
175
Engineer 1
1 Culture
Triggers a golden age
Req: Masonry


How many times have they changed the Pyramids ability? :crazyeye:

I've got to try a game as Americans with the Great Wall, Kremlin, and Himeji Castle. Then watch your enemy's armies grunt and thrust impotently at impregnable Fortress America.

India + Forbidden Palace = :love:

Does that guide clarify that bonus at all? Does it make cities build workers faster, or does it make workers build improvements faster?



How many times have they changed the Pyramids ability? :crazyeye:

Construction speed. Sorry for not being more specific.

which type of GP Machu Pichu, Hagia Sophia, Sistine Chapel & Statue of Liberty gives ?

I have to agree with someones post above, there are SO many that sound like must haves.

I wonder how similar abilities stack up. There's some overlap between unique abilities, wonders and social policies.

Big Ben and Mercantilism both reduce purchase cost in cities by 25% and militarism gives -33%

Pentagon and Professional Army both reduce upgrade cost of units by 50%.

Monarchy makes tile purchasing 50% cheaper. America's UA gives -25% tile purchasing cost.

How do these complement each other? Is it really possible to buy units with an 83% discount on military units? Can you upgrade your units for free? Can you buy tiles for 25% of the normal cost?

I wonder how similar abilities stack up. There's some overlap between unique abilities, wonders and social policies.

Big Ben and Mercantilism both reduce purchase cost in cities by 25% and militarism gives -33%

Pentagon and Professional Army both reduce upgrade cost of units by 50%.

Monarchy makes tile purchasing 50% cheaper. America's UA gives -25% tile purchasing cost.

How do these complement each other? Is it really possible to buy units with an 83% discount on military units? Can you upgrade your units for free? Can you buy tiles for 25% of the normal cost?

I thought the Pentagon might halve the amount of exp. needed, instead of uprading to a different unit, it might mean upgrading with promotions? :confused:

I don't like the idea of national wonders requiring x building in all cities. It essentially forces somebody to stop building new cities and possibly even conquering cities while they build x building in all their cities. It seems too limiting. 80-90% of cities sound better.

which type of GP Machu Pichu, Hagia Sophia, Sistine Chapel & Statue of Liberty gives ?

MP
Merchant 1

HS
Artist 1

SC
Artist 2

SL
Eng 3

Do any of the bonuses become obsolete with technology? I mean it seems pretty silly that the great wall would seriously hamper an army that had, I dont know, artillery, tanks, or planes.

I vote to make the great wall obsolete with steam power

I wonder how similar abilities stack up. There's some overlap between unique abilities, wonders and social policies.

Big Ben and Mercantilism both reduce purchase cost in cities by 25% and militarism gives -33%

Pentagon and Professional Army both reduce upgrade cost of units by 50%.

Monarchy makes tile purchasing 50% cheaper. America's UA gives -25% tile purchasing cost.

How do these complement each other? Is it really possible to buy units with an 83% discount on military units? Can you upgrade your units for free? Can you buy tiles for 25% of the normal cost?

Presumably the effects don't simply add together to give a 100% discount to upgrade costs or 83% reduction in purchase cost. Much more likely the effect is cumulative so that for instance the Pentagon would reduce by 50% and the Professional Army would halve the remaining 50%. So the orignal cost of (for example) 60 would be reduced to 30 and then that would be halved to 15 rather than becoming 0.

Still a big advantage but I suppose you'd have to balance the benefit it gives with choosing another social policy/construction option which might better suit your strategy.

I've got to try a game as Americans with the Great Wall, Kremlin, and Himeji Castle. Then watch your enemy's armies grunt and thrust impotently at impregnable Fortress America.

I want to try that with England, adding Great Lighthouse, Big Ben and Pentagon for super duper navies and defence.

Shoot stuff down with Longbowmen while they struggle to get through the great wall :)

Great Merchant generating wonders include -

Great Lighthouse
Collosus
Big Ben
Pentagon

Great Engineer:

Great Wall
Himeji Castle

Setting up two cities as England to snag those with the GM ones in one city (capital probably), and the GE ones in another (Collosus is optional and no too important) would be awesome for some GP farms. Then you could put Kremlin in the Great wall city, and maybe try for other GM wonders like Eifel tower + Notre Dame in the GLH city. That would be incredibly powerful for England along with running the commerce policy tree.

I don't like the idea of national wonders requiring x building in all cities. It essentially forces somebody to stop building new cities and possibly even conquering cities while they build x building in all their cities. It seems too limiting. 80-90% of cities sound better.

Then again you need not build every wonder every time. In some games it may be restricting, in others barely an issue. I like how they dropped the hard number requirements like ' needs 6 universities' because that forced a number of cities.

I've got to try a game as Americans with the Great Wall, Kremlin, and Himeji Castle. Then watch your enemy's armies grunt and thrust impotently at impregnable Fortress America.

I think they'd honestly just pillage all the surrounding and cut it's production off, that would be worse since it takes time to recover from that.