This is the thread for the initial workings of the Astonian Empire.

The Line-Up:

Spacetrvler- Supreme(or a title to that respect) Emperor/ Führer
Hygro-Foreign Advisor
Unregister-Emporer's Advocate
Plexus-Domestic Advisor
Naervod-Military Advisor

The Constitution of the Astonian Government

Preamble

The Astonian Government will be the foundation of the Astonian Empire. The Empire will exist as a constitutional empire. The Astonian Government will be a little more streamlined than its "sister" governments (disregarding the Rogue Nations).
This is open to amendment.

Arcticle 1. Executive/Legeslative Branch

The Emperor will play the game
It will consist of a 5 person Cabinet of Advisors (including Emporer) that will make decisions for the review by the Emperor.

The Emperor has the power to veto any and all choices and amendments.

The Cabinet of Advisors will include:

Emporer's advocate (acts as Emporer's deputy) 4 votes
Domestic Advisor (controls all science, culture and domestic affairs) 3 votes
Military Advisor (controls Military, National Defence and Spy forms of espionage) 2 votes
Foriegn Advisors (incharge of keeping up relations with other nations and trade, UN rep) 2 votes
Senate Chairman (chairman of the Senate) 6 votes

The Senate will include:

Senate Chairman (runs senate meetings)
Governors (incharge of provinces)

Article 2. Judicial Branch

Using laws developed in the Senate, the Attorney General will enforce the laws. Cases will be run by the Attorney General, a prosecuter from the state (emporer or advocate), and the defendant. Both sides will be heard and then will be decided by the attorney general. Cruel and unusual punishment is a viable punishment.

Article 3. Appointments

The Emporer is appointed by challenges.
Challenges consist of:
Military Might (GOTM style game on tiny map with the selected civ)
Mental Might (a game of chess)
Civil Might (a simple vote)

The Emperor Appoints the other positions (including Governors) except Senate Chairman

Senate Chairman is elected by peers

Article 4. Governors and Provinces

Governors are life-long appointments (unless replaced or banned).
Governors start out with one city and may expand thier provinces through:
Obtaining new or captured cities
or Challenging the preciding governor to a Military Challenge (GOTM Style)
Larger governors pull more weight in the senate.


Article 5. Playing

The emperor will play the game.
Each turn will be discussed by the cabinet in a turn chat during the specified times.
Senate will meet one hour before turn chats for a session.


The next 4 posts are reserved for the advisors and the rest for citizen registry and the ensuing senate and governor races.

I'd like to be foreign advisor, but I think it should include the UN jurisdiction as well.

Sounds like you have set this up in a strict fasion. Look at team 1, they are discussing which donut is the tastiest ;) I also think that the thread's name should indicate Game of Republic. Those are my 2 votes :)

I would say that the Emperor's personal advocate is not truly useful, as he has no real role, save UN rep. and having him UN rep takes away from the foreign advisor, IM(not so)HO.

well the reason behind my madness on the emp adv is he is the deputy and adds votes to the commitee
and you are the foriegn advisor and you have recieved the un rep spot

Alright!

hygro you are going to meed to take over for a little while im gonna be gone on dec 21- jan 6

sure thing, Private message me the password you set for our turns.

Ok guys, get ready! The game is about to start!

Ok. First thing is first the name of the Capital will be Astonia and I will be the governor. For the other guys, I'm sorry but I must establish rule. the next city(to be known as Spacedria) is up for grabs and so on and so forth.

Allright... I'll be the military/ Domestic leaders for now. :)

Yay we got Plexus!

Ok, first order of business:

We should say what level we usually play at, to get an idea of how good we are.

I normally am a regent player, however, I can hold my own in monarch.

I usually play monarch, some emperor

Now lets just hope our emperor can play around that level (no hard feelings if you don't; you still have my full support).

My first true bill to bring up is one regarding slavery: (please note this is not my real life political views).

Due to benifits to all parties when culturizing savages, we should not condone slavery. All in favor?

Are you saying you are against workers, Sir Hygro?

No, nationalist workers are definitely encouraged, but I am saying we should not condone slavery at this time (definitely subject to change during differant time periods, but at this point...)

I agree wth your reasoning.

Depending on our national color, here is my recommendation for the flag. The green one is in the next post. The ram represents strength and dominance. :D

The green version.

Depending on whether we are the green Persia-Astonia or the Blue one, like you said.

I'm curious where the image came from, because I don't want to be the Astonian Art Pirates of Fanatika or whatever, but otherwise it's very cool.

By the way, make sure you download the list of rules.

The emblem is semi-original... I had a tutorial that explained how to make it in photoshop. :)

Awsome. With my being Emperor's Advocate (Vice Prime Minister) and Foreign advisor, I a total of 5 votes, (known to our strange republican constitution), and you get 4, Secretary Plexus, so that makes 9 in favor of this flag.

I believe there is no possible chance of opposition.

Now we must find out which color we are, to make a decision (I hope it's green).

The green one does look pretty cool, doesn't it? Do either of you have AIM/MSN/YM?

yes I have AIM.

If Spacetrvler has AIM as well we can use that chatroom instead of the CFC chat or whatever.

ok...

here is my post for the day:

1. i like the flag but make the ram bigger
2. why are we talking about slavery, you mean other nationality workers?
3. Less talk on the thread use aim and post something more than one person wants to know
4. my aim is bob6969696969, post yours
5. i play on anywhere from regent to emporer, but i have won on diety twice :)
6. the senate has been closed indefinetly

Great! The ram could e slightly bigger, but there's something I like about it's small size.

If you've downloaded the rules, you'll know that captured workers are slaves and bought workers for some reason are refugees. I was just suggesting we go the economic route and not the moral one.

Find the download posted by chieftess in this thread.

oh ok
i am all about domination becuase slavery is very much a part of the ancient/ middle/ and colonization ages so in order to be realistic we have to do that ;) thats what well tell them

Is there any way that i can join this republic game on you's guys' team. If yes than i can possibly be the culture advisor. If no than good luck with the game.

Sure you can, that is if it were up to me... you'd have to ask our emperor: Spacetrvler.

He may be our emperor but it's supposed to be a republic and known to our defunct constitution that I quote anyway, Plexxus and My votes (notice the 'S') override Spacetrvler's, so yeah, you get to be our cultural advisor!

Welcome abaord! Just let Chieftess know by signing up in the RepGame signup thread if you have yet to do so.

Ok, I'm awaiting more responses by Chieftess about how much we get to control our constitution, and how much we make up. I feel that both our constitution and Chieftess's are similiar, but if we get our own we should tale the skeleton and revamp it.

For example: Domestic advisor is taken and there is no cultural advisor spot, but Unregister wants to be cultural advisor.

BtW, Unregister, what difficulty level do you play at and what level are you capable of winning? (Just to get an idea, no prejudice either way).

ok, heres the thing
i the emporer am allow to veto anything, but i am glad unregister is joining and there is no culture advisor but since hygro and plexus have two jobs you can take one of them

Spacetrvler thinks he can veto anything so we'll make him happy and let him believe what he wants (I'm kidding--I'm aware of your veto power, and I acknowledge it).

I'm Foreign advisor and Emperor's Advocate (Vice Prime Minister if Chieftess really wants us playing strictly her rules) for the purposes of being our UN rep. Basically I'm king of foreign affairs.

Plexxus is Military Advisor, which means he plays out combat moves during wartime (Chieftess rules again--this one I support however if we are a more peaceful empire), and domestic, means what we build will not have a public debate but instead an internal thought process by Plexxus. I am willing to hand over half of the emperor's advocate job on pretext that I am UN rep. However, that doesn't mean I'm the only guy who can participate in the UN from our team, as that would be excessively selfish.

i am thinking that UN rep should be the foriegn advisors job in the first place so if i increase the points the foriegn advisor gets (with the added jobs) and put unreg into the emps advocate spot, then the power will be evenly spead
so now i am happy

Ok so I am FA and UN rep, but no longer Emeror's advocate. This is all fine by me.

Unregister, if you are serious about participating, which I'm am pretty sure you are, then you can be Emperor's advocate.

Hey Spacetrvler, you mentioned you would be gone december 21 through January 6th. Please elaborate on what's going on (related to the RepGame--you don't need to say where you are going and why). Also, if our turn is passworded make sure Plexus and I know the password so one of us could play for you like you mentioned.

Originally posted by Hygro
Also, if our turn is passworded make sure Plexus and I know the password so one of us could play for you like you mentioned.

Yes, please. :)

Is emperor's advocate like vice president?, or something else.

Originally posted by Hygro
Ok...BtW, Unregister, what difficulty level do you play at and what level are you capable of winning? (Just to get an idea, no prejudice either way).

Lets see...i usually play at either emperor or monarch, but i always win when i play regent and most of time i win on monarch, but not always:D .

Do you have AIM, if not, it would be a good idea to get it, mine is Nevermoreand

Emperor's advocate is our name for Vice Prime Minister (Vice Prez)

my friend is going to be joining our team and to not show favoritism i would like to ask plexus which postition he wants and the other will go to my friend

With 5 players we should have a powerful, fun team full of a lot of good debates. With your friend taking one of Plexus's jobs, there will be more checks and balances. You'll notice the rules for the RepGame suggest or require (Chieftess still hasn't said how absolute she is about this) that to go mobolized, it takes the agreement or majority of Domestic advisor, Military Advisor, and the Prime Minister (Emperor).

This way it won't only be up to Plexus.

P.S. Spacetrvler, to make your link work at the bottom it ends in [/URL] not [URL] (note the bakslash).

I'm trying to get chieftess to answer my questions but she seems pretty busy in the demogame.

Whoops--Accidently unsubscribed to this post.

I'll drop my military position, I feel that I could make more of a diffrence as the Domestic advisor.

I believe we are now done with the various postitions. If you want to be a part of our team it I guess you can be a city governer or just a plain citizen, not unlike the demogame (however I don't think the Repgame has quite enough players to support the imagination of the demogame personal businesses).

What is AIM?

A few things on governors for those wondering:

1. Anyone in the Astonian Empire may be a governor. Including the Emporer
2. You are given a city by the reigning emporer and keep it until it is taken from you
3. Once you own a city you may "capture" other cities (by your own means not defined in any laws) owned by existing governors
4. The emporer can exile you from a city.

And the corruption begins :)

OK HERE IT IS

I have selected Hygro to play the first turns if it starts before I return. Select the best spot, but dont move around for more than four turns. Build warriors and settlers asap. And research Bronze Working at 100% Science

We will start with bronze working. I'll get Iron working instead.

AIM is aol instant messenger.

You can get it here (http://www.aol.com)

When you get a screen name PM (private message) one or all of us what it is so we can communicate oustide this forum.

BtW, nice job on the link, Spacetrvler.:goodjob:

We will start with bronze working. I'll get Iron working instead.


Actually, that's mostly up to Plexus the Domestic leader.

i am here and i will be able to check in on it everyonce and a while until i return so, remeber the start is the most importnat part and pick a good spot

and you are advisors until we bcome a more democratic gov.

rule number 1 emporer can veto anything

Well, I'm really conflicted weather to go for Iron or Alphabet, here's my current queue:

1. Iron/ Alphabet
2. Alphabet/ Iron
3. Writing

Sounds good. I or Spacetrvler will make sure we do one of those. The sooner we get writing (and meet the other republics), the sooner we can do UN negociations. (please tell me how to spell it--it's bothering me).

Negotiations

:)

EDIT: No problem Hygro

THANK YOU!

Ok, so, suggested build queues:

Warrior
Spearman
Warrior
Settler

while you ARE domestic advisor, and military advisor until spacetrvler's friend shows up, wouldn't it be best to get that settler out the very turn the city goes to size three? Granted, I'm not the best player but that always seemed important.

Granted, an early settler would be nice, I think that early exploration is paramount, would you feel more comfortable with a Warrior, Spearman, Settler, Warrior queue?

yeah, that sounds a little nicer. I believe it also depends on the terrain (imagine a cow on a plains next to a river-- 3 food, 2 shields, and 2 gold once improved)--or something like it. Of course, when whoever plays actually plays, I think it would be wise to be in an AIM sponsered chatroom or something--or CFC chat, but I'm not too familiar with it.

Also, Plexus, Spacetrvler: you two got my AIM address right?

@Hygro- yea, you're just never on.

It's because it's not main account--I made it for something or another, but that didn't work out, so I kept it for a junkmail account on netscape and an AIM account for strangers :) or people online whom I need to chat with directly/trade files with etc.

Hey, just letting you know in case the game is moving quickly, I won't be here Christmas day.

I would like to sign up if its not too late. Plexus if I could take one of your positions that would be great, preferably Domestic Advisor, but whichever one your willing to give up will be fine with me.

ok... let us see... 2 warriors(for explaration) spearman for protection then a settler then 2 spearman then a settler sounds good for the first 40 or so turns of the game... also iron working is first to allow the construction of immortals and since the un wonthelp too awfully much in the beginging we can get writing later... after iron working we we have big debates... and hygro dont worry the game is not going to quickly... ps u have access to a civ 3 ptw compatible comp for the next 2 days so i am will ing tto play and post a few screen shots etc. well gl to you i will be available for the next 2 days but then i will be busy for a while until the 5th and then i will be back for ever...

i believe that you shouldn't build a settler until the capital is at least a four. This is always my strategy because i find when i build a settler when i am only a three the city gets really crappy. But if i go from a 4 to a 2 then the city is still relatively good enough to make spearmen or some improvements or other units. But when the city goes from a 3 to a 1 they become horrible and can't produce anything.

I don't agree, they can still produce and it takes under ten turns for them to get back to 2.

ahh, but the object of the early game is to make more cities than your opponent and quicker so that when expansion is complete your production base will be larger and thouhg 4-2 cities are good in the short term 3-1 is better in the long run... only does the capital stop producing settlers when there is a good wonder to build and/or there are 3 or more settler producing cities

I would still like someone to answer my above question.

Sorry, naervod, I think space has a 'friend' coming into the game that will take my military position, but you have my vote to get it if his friend doesn't show up like either today or tomorrow...

I answered it, but it turns out my reply did not go through...

yah it looks like my friend is a no show so ill put u as mil advisor.

Ok... what happened to the RepGame?

Team 1 still has it.

I see that this will be a very slow game... that's fine I guess.

Its only very slow because i dont think that everyone on team 1 remembers they signed up (doubt it), they are all really busy, or they can't decide where to settle.

ok... heres the thing... do we want to go for quick expansion (warriors, settlers, and spearman), exponential expansion (granary, larger capital, settler, spearmen, pyramids), military (spearman, immortals, barracks, warriors) or an alternate... reply with answer... p.s. im back

Originally posted by Spacetrvler
ok... heres the thing... do we want to go for quick expansion (warriors, settlers, and spearman), exponential expansion (granary, larger capital, settler, spearmen, pyramids), military (spearman, immortals, barracks, warriors) or an alternate... reply with answer... p.s. im back

do we want to go for quick expansion (warriors, settlers, and spearman),

i vote either this one above that i took out of your quote or an alternate.

which would be barracks and warriors/spearmen with a temple somewhere in there and once u get enough military influence build a couple of quick settlers.

Just a reminder, it is our turn! I will seize power if something does not get done.

It's player 2's turn... we need to find out what's up with that. However, I don't care enormously who does what as long I can be the one to deal with other nations.

player 2 is AI.

i think we should restart and get better organized

Maybe we should restart, but then again, maybe since it IS our turn (I THOUGHT player two was A.I... but I wasn't sure), Spacetrvler you should get the game and play it, and then pass it along.

I will play if you do not in a timely manor, Space.

ok...
ill learn how to post pics later but for now the news is good :)
i decided to speed up things i will play the first move...
the city of Spacia will be founded on a lake, surrounded by grassland with two bonuses in the first boundary.
the worker will begin work on a mine and spacia will work on a warrior and i will begin research on pottery in order to increase expansion capabilities and also i will increase science to top before we begin to lose money
it will be sent on :)

Pretty much i think most of the other teams are either gone or fogot about this because it took so long to get going. Pottery....that isn't a very good tech....i always get that from goody huts or trade for it. I usually always go after ceremonial burial, bronze working, warrior code, and the wheel first, but if you think it is a good choice fine.

16 turns to pottery

Who's team 4?

dont know its on one of these threads

Elektikos. :)

Ok. As you may notice in the front page of this subforum, all the repgame threads (or almost all) have been bumped to the top. Let's try to keep the enthusiasm in this game :)

i am here to serve the emporer
oh yah thats me