View Full Version : Who propels history forward? (read instructions before answering)


Dr. Dr. Doktor
Dec 02, 2002, 07:42 AM
NOTE: MULTIPLE CHOICE. YOU MUST CHOOSE ONLY ONE WITHIN EACH SUBGROUP (see below)

You do not have to answer in all subgroups.

You must decide which subgroup within humanity have historically been the greatest force for change.
The selection is based on a biological, a traditionalist, a marxist, a racist and a functionalist view on history. Please note that the racist subgrouping is included for scientific reasons and not to offend.

Biological
Women
Men

Traditionalist
Individual political geniuses ("good or evil")
The intellectual avantgarde (scientists, artists and so on)

Marxist:
Upper class
Middle class
Lower class

Racist:
African descendants
Asian descendants
Caucasian descendants

Functionalist:
Hunters
Farmers
Merchants ( ALL in the widest sense of the word)
Priests
Bureaucrats
Soldiers
Workers

All of the above in unison

If you think I left a subgroup out, or if you think it is a stupid poll, please let me know.

G-Man
Dec 02, 2002, 02:44 PM
I don't think this can really be answered... Some things have changed throughtout history (The control of countries has moved from the upper class to al classes in democracies and to different groups in tyrannies), others are just too unclear (the racist view). Also, the functionalist view changes from place to place and from time to time. Each of these groups had it's times of strengh and weakness, and none has been able to propel history forward by itself.

Richard III
Dec 03, 2002, 12:31 PM
consumers and producers

Panda
Dec 03, 2002, 01:25 PM
The entity called 'need'.

Vrylakas
Dec 03, 2002, 09:08 PM
There are some historians who reduce history to basic actors/players who motivate or drive all history, but I think that's simplistic. Personalities like Alexander the Great or Napoleon clearly drove events themselves through sheer force of the personality, but on the other hand frictions between the peasantry and middle class on the one hand and the aristocracy on the other also equally drove events in 1917 Russia. The "Little Ice Age" of 1300-1800 is said to have had a profound impact on the rise of Europe, while an imperial paradigm seems to be at work in Chinese history that is quite absent from Polish history. The Italian conquest of Abyssynia could be seen as a war for resources but what of the Soccer War?

What drives history then? Individuals? Classes? Resource competition? The weather? nationalism? Religion? Political paradigms? Yes, and much more. The answer sounds quite silly, but history is driven by the sum of human experience, and nothing less.

Sultan Bhargash
Dec 04, 2002, 12:59 AM
Women: propel humans right out of their wombs and into history.

African descendants: that would be all modern humans.

avant garde: creates the framework for individual genius' to interact, and lay the threads that will become the fabric of later society.

all working in unison: history is driven by a combination of all individuals. Some get bigger parts to work with but all of them do something to move us "forward"...