Just wondering if others feel like I do about oil. To me, it just seems far too common a strategic resource. Maybe if one oil = x amount of y units.

What about other strategic resources?

I saw where someone added opium as a luxury resource, w/ the PC editor. I wonder if there was also any negatives associated with it.

hmmm now that get's the creative juices flowing.... Tobacco (from Colonization), Chocolate/Cocoa, Tea, Sugar (Or would that fall under the spices category?), copper, etc.

Been re-reading James Burke's "Connections" as well as watching the series (I really wish the original series was available on tape or DVD, I didn't like Connections2 and Connections3 as much as the original) And was thinking how the tech trees go along with the lines James Burke illustrated in his series. Thinking reshaping the world along those lines.

Civilization: the game for those of us with delusions of/aspirations of deity!

Tobacco would be a great luxury resource. Talkin' about having something to go to war over! :smoke: I used to dip snuff (Copenhagen, etc.), and I was manic about it.

What is "Connections?"

Originally posted by dojoboy
What is "Connections?"

"Connections" was a multipart study on the history of change by James Burke, a BBC correspondent. It, and "The Day The Universe Changed" Were excellent series that showed how some rather unlikely events lead up to something completely unexpected (Connections) or how one single event changed the course of history, and how the world would be different without that one event (The Day The Universe Changed)

Both these series were originally done by the BBC and later aired on TLC (Discovery Channel Subsidiary) After several successful runs, TLC decided to do Connections2 and eventually Connections3. My complaint with 2 and 3 was that the episodes were 30 minutes long, compared to 60 minutes for the original. and though they claimed the second was better than the original (it wasn't in my opinion) the episodes seemed rushed, like he was trying to cram too much into 30 minutes worth of time.

For instance... Inconnections, we start with the touchstone... you know, a flat black rock used to determine the purity of gold, and work our way up to the atomic bomb. Or go from methods to finance and feed an army to the Apollo Program. Little pieces of a jigsaw puzzle, that are totally unrelated, but someone accidentally brings them together and Voila! something amazing happens. Kind of like one guy trying to recreate a particular weather phenomenon in a bottle, and ends up giving the world proof that the atom could be split. Really a great series and a good book. The book is still available, I have yet to see the original first series anywhere. Hope TLC reshows it.

HOT DOG!!!! I just found someone that carries Connections, Connections 2, and Connection3, plus After the Warming (I haven't seen this one yet)!!!

AND they have connections 1 on DVD (Now... if I can just convince Tenshi to let me buy it!)

Oh... Interesting enough.. Connections 1 came out in 1978. First time I saw it on TLC was in 1993-1994 Connections 2 wasn't made until the early 90's Not bad for something done in the 70's to still have a strong impact!

Oh.. the link for those interested:

http://www.documentary-video.com/ShowSubject.cfm?sid=22

Originally posted by dojoboy
Tobacco would be a great luxury resource. Talkin' about having something to go to war over! :smoke: I used to dip snuff (Copenhagen, etc.), and I was manic about it.
Didn't do that to lose water before weigh-in didja?

Good thing you stopped though. If the stuff doesn't kill you, it can do worse. I know a guy (sort of) that had to have part of his lip removed. Nasty, nasty business.

(it's also no fun when you knock over the spitcan. Not that I would know or anything... ;) ).

Originally posted by dojoboy
Just wondering if others feel like I do about oil. To me, it just seems far too common a strategic resource. Maybe if one oil = x amount of y units.
I think this really depends on the map, but I'm not sure what the randomization factors are. I remember a few random maps where it seemed like there was 1 (one) oil on the planet. Rik-a-fricka-fracka...

The per-unit allowance of resources isn't a bad idea, though.
Originally posted by dojoboy
What about other strategic resources?
What did you have in mind? Titanium? Natural gas? (could be a pollution-reducing resource after discovering recycling or somesuch)
Originally posted by dojoboy
I saw where someone added opium as a luxury resource, w/ the PC editor. I wonder if there was also any negatives associated with it.
I heard about that, as well as someone adding "Cocaine" to Colombia on an Earth map. Didn't know if there were any negatives, or if there even can be (makes people happy but reduces life expectancy in the demographics or something?). Should be interesting -- and definitely going to add tobacco to an Earth map just to give the US a bit of a tilt since Asia usually has the luxuries locked up.

Hmmmm......

Flax for Printing Press SW...
Natural gas/gaslight Good idea, ejday!


Damn.. now I'm champing at the bit even harder!

Originally posted by Grey Randall


"Connections" was a multipart study on the history of change by James Burke, a BBC correspondent. It, and "The Day The Universe Changed" Were excellent series that showed how some rather unlikely events lead up to something completely unexpected (Connections) or how one single event changed the course of history, and how the world would be different without that one event (The Day The Universe Changed)

Both these series were originally done by the BBC and later aired on TLC (Discovery Channel Subsidiary) After several successful runs, TLC decided to do Connections2 and eventually Connections3. My complaint with 2 and 3 was that the episodes were 30 minutes long, compared to 60 minutes for the original. and though they claimed the second was better than the original (it wasn't in my opinion) the episodes seemed rushed, like he was trying to cram too much into 30 minutes worth of time.


I'm a huge fan of the original Connections and DTUC. I thought Connections 2 & 3 were sellouts. But, hey, the guy has to eat, too and I don't imagine he made very much on the good ones. Hope they come out on DVD some time.

See a few posts above. I FOUND someone that has Connections 1-3 for sale... Connections 1 on DVD no less!!!

Now I just need to get my hands on that CD Repair kit so I can play my Connections game again. It's really hard to find, unless you look on eBay these days. A watered down MYST like game, but great with the commentary from James Burke in it. Although it is a bit more like Connections 2 than the 1970's Connections.

I think maybe the only resource I've always had is horses. At one point or another, I've had to go to war for every other one. I don't know if there's a set amount of each on a standard map; my sense is that it varies.

Originally posted by ejday

Didn't do that to lose water before weigh-in didja?



Yep, you know it! But, I did it to suppress hunger. Started in college at 20 and quit fifteen years later at 35. Fortunately, my first son caused me to "kick-the-habit." I noticed him mimicing me one day while out in the yard, spitting of course. He was two, and I was floored. :( Glad that is over.

Tobacco:
luxury resource.
Make one content citizen happy. But after 20 turns, two content citizen become unhappy.

Very funny!

Originally posted by Pigumon
Tobacco:
luxury resource.
Make one content citizen happy. But after 20 turns, two content citizen become unhappy.

..and if you trade it to another nation then after 10 turns two of their content citizens become bronchial... ;) (...then it's time to building the Cure for Cancer Wonder eh !)

About james Burke - I have a book called 'The Day The World Changed' which follows on from the wonderful Connections series, which I remember watching as a kid... highly recommend it if you can find it !

About resources, I've found that oil is fairly well-balanced in terms of it's appearance in the games I've played so far, as it does depend so much on the map size, the number of opponents etc.

I remember a particularly great game I played when the (technologically backward) Zulus were the ONLY nation with oil on a planet with 12 or so modern nations, and it was just like the way Saudi Arabia developed after WW2, the speed developed after they were lavished with techs/money from otehr civs (including me).. and wars started over it, mutual protection pacts etc... quite a neat twist...

It would be nice to expand the trade side of things, with maybe another 4 strategic resources (I really like the idea of natural gas.. could tie-in with Offshore Platforms) and another 3-4 luxury items (e.g. coffee, or cocoa - for that Belgian Chocolate Wonder), plus maybe silver or copper as more naturally occuring resources like gold.

You could add a new aspect to the game with more 'dubious' (i.e. with certain side effects) but yet lucrative (in the short term) resources - tobacco, cocaine, slave-trade (?), gin etc...

Maybe even some bizarre ones like Gypsy Violinists, Clowns, Nachos, Tourists, Midgets... :crazyeye:

Fruno

Just got my acc activated! yay.

I've been messing around with adding some new luxuries/strategic resources. Added some hardwood (strategic), for building sailing ships n such, Cocaine (luxury), tobacco (luxury resource), and wool (luxury) The strategic resources worked out ok, but I was pretty disappointed with the luxury resources. I add em and they work just fine, until you try to open the city screen of a city that has access to that resource... game quits. That's probably due to the lack of being able to add a lil pic for it for the city screen...

Probably have to wait for a future patch that will allow the modification of this stuff. Until then... gonna have to stick with strategic resources. The ideas of natural gas and titanium are pretty cool, im gonna try and add them.

In case anyone's wondering, yeah, I play Mac Civ 3, but I run the hacked Civ 3 editor in virtual PC. Can't wait for the mac version though, cuz it runs pretty slow in terms of map editing... rule editing is fine though.

Originally posted by DiamondzAndGunz
Just got my acc activated! yay.
Congrats, D&G, and welcome to the forums!

although you have it on DVD, for anyone else who is interested in this series, they replay all three of them on the (discovery) science cannel at like midnight or 1 in the morning. It's always an hour block which is sometimes one hour long show and sometimes 2 half-hour shows. I've done A LOT of civving with him clammering away in the background about how japanese tin painting infulenced english architecture, or how road building in ireland nad scotland influenced child labor laws in later years. A really cool show, not surprising at all that there are mac users who love it ;)

lateralis

Originally posted by DiamondzAndGunz, re: added resources
...until you try to open the city screen of a city that has access to that resource... game quits. That's probably due to the lack of being able to add a lil pic for it for the city screen...
That's possible, but Brad would certainly be the man to ask (even though this is a little out of normal operating parameters).

If that is it, you can add the resouce yourself in photoshop (or equivalent). I'm not sure which square it would go in, but as long as you keep to the color table in tact in the .pcx file, you should be okay. Look in the art folder.

Originally posted by ejday

If that is it, you can add the resouce yourself in photoshop (or equivalent). I'm not sure which square it would go in, but as long as you keep to the color table in tact in the .pcx file, you should be okay.


Yeah, i've tried that... it's in one of those city screen files, luxuryicons_small.pcx. Anyway, i fiddled around with it a little, but no luck. it doesn't pop up no matter where i put it, and the game still crashes. I've searched around the forums for PC users that have added resources, and it appears that in their latest patch, this problem is fixed with extra boxes added to that file. i tried downloading and using that file, no luck. I guess this is another thing we might have to wait for the next patch for...

And, a question for Brad..
Will the Mac editor be a port of the regular PC editor, or will it also incorporate the 'add' button of the 'hacked' PC editor, for adding new civs, resources, units, etc.? Kinda important to have the add/remove buttons...