As we have decided to go with Continents, water coverage of the map becomes more important than it does with Pangaea. Therefore I'm running a poll to get your opinion for the ISDG. Below is the water coverage image from the game, showing optional choices between Continents in 60%, 70%, and 80% water coverage. I'm sure you're all familiar with this screen. 60% water means more land, 80% water means less land.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=268667&stc=1&d=1287064194

So the choices are as follows:

A. 60% water - more land tiles

B. 70% water

C. 80% water - less land tiles

D. ABSTAIN

This is a public poll and will be open for 6 days.

As we're using Continents, which means less land than a Pangaea game, I believe we should use only 60% water coverage.

Yes, and for transcontinental trade let's have 4-6 coast connections.

And 4 Islans with Lux (it was suggested at German site).

60% Water would mean even more cites can be build than an a "small map". 100+ Cites may slow down DG and increase the number of units, that have to be pulled over the map.

I like 80%. Should be a quite challenging game while at the same time less cities to handle.

Nah, I think 80% will just make it a Navy game. A small map is a small map. It's only so big. I'd rather cross land than cross water. You don't HAVE to build cities, but it will allow you to if you want. Having ships sunk at sea is just a huge waste of man power.

I voted for 70%. I just want an average map.

I voted for the middle of the road - 70%.

It is not big difference, the question is how the continents are connected. I vote for pre Astronomy trade possibility.
If Ivory Island at equal distance from each capital and have EQUAL access for any civ it is OK for any %.

I vote for pre Astronomy trade possibility.


Yes, this is important to make it an interesting game. No matter what percentage, trade via coast is important!

Trade via coast is important but will rarely be possible with 80% water. I vote for 60% water on a 60x60-Map as to prevent too much cities to manage.

Trade via coast is important but will rarely be possible with 80% water. I vote for 60% water on a 60x60-Map as to prevent too much cities to manage.

I definitely agree. With 80% water, changing the trade parameters to Map Making is pretty much useless. Unless you only want to trade with the other Tribe on your Continent, with whom you're always at war with... ;)

Too much water and you'll just have early wars 1v1 on each continent. Unless you want a really custom map with not so much land but lots of coast links between continents, sort of a snakey continents.

Everyone believes in early war on 80% water continents? Doesn't anyone think it may be worth cooperating with your continent-mate to get way ahead of the other continent?

:D
I've watched you play 3 too many times, Chamnix. And no, I don't want to buy the swamp land.

It may be useful to cooperate and to fight down the other continent in tech race, but there are a lot of possibilities in civ :ar15:

I definitely agree. With 80% water, changing the trade parameters to Map Making is pretty much useless. Unless you only want to trade with the other Tribe on your Continent, with whom you're always at war with... ;)

This could be corrected by some extra coasttitles in the middle.

This could be corrected by some extra coasttitles in the middle.

Then why call it Continents? Just call it the archipelago it will be.

Then why call it Continents? Just call it the archipelago it will be.

I meant in the middley between the 2 Continents. There would 2 Continents. But there exist seatitles("coast"), so trade between continents can happen with map making without the need to build the light house. Great Light house offers trade over seatitles. Trade by Astronomie or GLH would be another option.

:)
I know what you meant. It would be easier and smarter to just use 60% water coverage.

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I know what you meant. It would be easier and smarter to just use 60% water coverage.

Easier for me and furiey. :)
But the more titles there are, the more need to be used by citys. This effekt can be weakend by increasing corruption, but it will be always an important issue.
60% Water would serve good for a pangäa at 60x60. For Kontinents for example at 80x80 more water would be better. The distance between continents may be wanted great enough for a triere to need 2-3 turns to cross.

I understand, but I don't agree totally. The amount of land tiles need not be tied directly to corruption. If you are talking total tiles, then again, the picture is different. The adjustment to optimal cities is one that can help, either way you lok at it.

The map you are discribing, IMO, will just be a lot of naval battles. Is that what we want? I could understand if this was an historic replication, but I thought the reason everyone (but me :mischief: ) wanted a small map was to decrease the length of turns for the game. I think a Navy game will just increase the amount of turns :yawn:

70% and Continents is the Deal :cool:

The map you are discribing, IMO, will just be a lot of naval battles. Is that what we want? I could understand if this was an historic replication, but I thought the reason everyone (but me :mischief: ) wanted a small map was to decrease the length of turns for the game. I think a Navy game will just increase the amount of turns :yawn:

I share this fear.
Both the total number of turns and the amount of time needed per turn schould better not be too big. But choosing continents means also, that navy is some issue. How important shall the navy be?

Sounds good.

70% and Continents is the Deal :cool:

Sounds like a good compromise. (Just look at the vote.) Navy should have some importance, but not too much. This should give a colorful game without getting tedious.

I share this fear.
Both the total number of turns and the amount of time needed per turn schould better not be too big. But choosing continents means also, that navy is some issue. How important shall the navy be?
I concur with Lanzelot. I wouldn't change any default settings for ships or tech requirements to induce or delay a strong navy. Let's just plod along like it is.

Seems like navies will be important on any Continents map.

True, EC. But I don't want to make them any more important than they are.

Yes! And 60% pulls ahead! :beer: Toasten! Prost!