View Full Version : Historical Filth - the Worst Job in History


Kafka2
Dec 14, 2002, 01:21 PM
There have been some really foul jobs that have cropped up throughout history- notable examples being a nurse in plague-stricken London, or a Chinese Court Eunuch (as detailed in "Historical Filth- Eunuchs with balls"). To settle all disputes as to what was the worst job in history, the Historical Filth team have dusted off their journals and set to work. After exhaustive research they are now prepared to publish their conclusion, and their conclusion is that the Official Worst Job in History is...

King/Queen of Scotland.

Before any Hibernian readers start dusting off their Claymores I'll reassure them that I can prove it. Between Kenneth MacAlpin (reigned 843- 858AD) and James VI (reigned 1567- 1625) Scotland had 43 monarchs. These monarchs of Scotland faced three major foes, these being...

1- The Vikings
2- The English
3- Other Scots.

The hard statistics paint a damning picture. Of Scotland's 43 monarchs just about nothing is known of 6 (other than the fact that their reigns were ominously short). Of the remaining 37, 12 were killed in battle, 4 were murdered, 2 were executed, 4 spent long periods of their lives (and reigns) in imprisonment varying from "almost-comfort" to "hellish cesspit". So, of those 37 we know about nearly 60% had first-hand experience of the ****ty end of life's stick.

It gets worse. Of the remaining 15, 2 were brutally deposed after crushing and humilating defeats and were forced into exile. While "exile" for 20th/21st century royal types means a lifetime of interbreeding at the Ritz or Val D'Isere, we can safely assume it was a less appetising prospect 800 years ago.

So far, 13 monarchs appear to have deftly side-stepped the massive grudge fate holds against Scottish rulers. That's not to say they got off lightly, however. Of those 13, 3 had tragically short lives and died before the age of 32 (One of them, Margaret "Maid of Norway" was just 8 years old when she died on the journey to Scotland to get married).

Right- we're down to 10 who appear to be lucky. Or were they? Of those 10, the following had less than joyful lives...

Constantine II (reigned 900- 943AD) Scotland's 8th king and one of the most successful. He may have been the first Scottish king to meet his maker without first being hacked into several twitching lumps of flesh, bone and gristle. Undeniably a man of power and a great leader, his only great misfortune was that his reign coincided with that of King Athelstan, arguably England's greatest ruler. At the battle of Brunnanburh in 937, Athelstan kicked 7 shades of crap out of the combined forces of Scotland, Ireland and Iceland Danes, and Scotland never again posed a serious threat to England's existance. The disillusion Constantine saw his country forced into humiliating decline and he relinquished the throne in 944 to become a monk.

Alexander III (reigned 1249- 1286). Last of the Canmore dynasty, the "Golden Age" of Scottish Kings (Oh, the irony....). Became King at the age of 8, had notable military successes against the Norse and reconquered the Hebrides. However he saw all his children die before him, and had a singularly crap death at 45 when he accidentally rode his horse off a cliff. A death both poignant and embarrassing...

Robert the Bruce (reigned 1306- 1329). Justly famed for defeating the English at Bannockburn and freeing Scotland from English rule. Unfortunately this was not before almost his entire family was killed by the English. His reign after Bannockburn was ruined by poor health, and he died of leprosy at the age of 55. His heart is buried in Melrose Abbey, while the rest of his bits presumably rest wherever they happened to rot off.

Robert II Stuart (reigned 1371- 1390). Actually Robert had a better life than most Scottish Kings, but his reign has been described as "an anti-climax to his career". To describe being King as anti-climactic gives some degree of understanding as to why Robert II is considered one of the most boring and ineffectual kings of all time. In fact his son Robert III took over control of Scotland 4 years before Robert II died.

Robert III (reigned 1390- 1406). Was left crippled and bedridden from a horse's kick in 1388 and never had any real power. His eldest son, the Duke of Rothesay was a murderous pervert who died in imprisonment in 1402. Just before Robert died, he sent his son and heir (James I) to France to avoid assassins. Unfortunately James was kidnapped by English sailors on the way and Robert never saw him again.

James V (reigned 1513- 1542). Became King aged 17 months, he is described as a "cruel man" (and that's by the standards of 16th century royalty who were, nearly to a man, murderous butchers). He kicked off a reign of terror in Scotland, but made the classic mistake that many other Scottish Kings made- he attempted to invade England. His army was routed by Henry VIII's forces at Solway Moss, and James promptly went insane, and died shortly after at the age of 30.

That leaves just 4 Scottish rulers who appear to have had "normal lives". In other words, if you were unfortunate enough to be crowned king of Scotland you probably had a 90% likelihood of leading a crap life of disease and misery. The typical Scottish king was crowned in infancy, married in infancy to someone they had never met (let alone snogged), lead at least one horribly ill-advised invasion of England and uttered their last word "Uuurrrgh...." lying face-down in their own intestines. If there is a God, he really, really hated Scottish kings.

To round off in the grand tradition of "Historical filth", who was the unluckiest Scottish ruler of them all? That honour goes to Mary "Queen of Scots" Stuart.

Mary became Queen at just 6 days old. At the age of 5 she was packed off to France and the court of the French king Henry II. She became a tremendous beauty and married the heir to the French throne Francis at the comparatively late age of 16. At this point, it all started to go wrong. She was a widow at 18. On her return to Scotland, the Catholic Mary was an object of suspicion to the Protestant Scottish powers, viewed as a dangerous foreigner. Her second marriage at the age of 23 to her cousin Henry Stewart was a disaster- he was vicious, power-hungry scumbag who murdered her closest confidant in front of her very eyes. Henry Stewart was murdered in 1567 (his death was believed to have been arranged by Mary).
Afterf Stewart's murder, Mary was abducted and raped by the Earl of Bothwell, who married her shortly after. How much say Mary had in this matter is unclear, but within 3 months they were parted and Mary deposed. She spent the last 18 years of her life imprisoned by Elizabeth I of England and was beheaded at the age of 45.

A crap life, all in all. Mary was the last monarch of a distinct Scotland. To sum up, there are a few lessons to be learned from Scotland's history. Foremost of these is the fact that the worst misfortune that can befall any nation is to be situated next to England.

(A Historical Filth Production).

Alcibiaties of Athenae
Dec 14, 2002, 03:21 PM
Well, being next to England certainly was rough for the Scotts (and the Welsh, and the Irish....hmm, seems to be a pattern there!).

To bad you didn't cover Scotland's final days of independance.

Kryten
Dec 14, 2002, 07:53 PM
Another excellent article Kafka2. :goodjob:
I do hope we will be seeing more.

Originally posted by Alcibiaties of Athenae
Well, being next to England certainly was rough for the Scotts (and the Welsh, and the Irish....hmm, seems to be a pattern there!).


Oh, I don't know. Some people in history have been much more unlucky.
Being a Native American in the 19th century couldn't have been much fun.....

amadeus
Dec 14, 2002, 08:29 PM
How about a Polish soldier during the 1930's and 40's?

joespaniel
Dec 14, 2002, 09:02 PM
Re: What was the worst job in history?

Moderating the OT? :eek:

No offense but, though the Monarchs had troubles abound, they were still MONARCHS after all...
And its good to be the King. :king:

Toasty
Dec 14, 2002, 09:04 PM
Hehe, thanks Kafka, most entertaining indeed :).

Archer 007
Dec 15, 2002, 09:47 AM
Would being Stalin's chef would have been worse. You always have to taste test the food (which people tried to poison).

stalin006
Dec 15, 2002, 10:14 AM
eh? no, tahts not waht he would be worried of archer007, he would be worried stalin wouldnt like the food!!!!
up u go to siberia!

Archer 007
Dec 15, 2002, 01:57 PM
Another good point i didnt think of.

Cimbri
Dec 16, 2002, 12:02 PM
What was the worst job in history?

Being a Roman soldier at Arausio in 105 B.C.
Go Cimbri!

gr8ful wes
Dec 16, 2002, 12:04 PM
Mining Coal, working in the meatpacking plants of Chicago, Slaughtering Cattle(some of those lads get symptoms similar to battle fatigue), I have also heard that guiding some wealthy big city snobs on fly fishing/hunting excursions can be the ultimate test in patience.:lol: or the biggest exercize in futility

gr8ful wes
Dec 16, 2002, 12:11 PM
Working on the oil rigs of the North Sea is considered the most dangerous, fishing vessels of Alaska is considered the hardest,

gr8ful wes
Dec 16, 2002, 01:45 PM
Some of the worst jobs I ever had:
Washing Dishes(while on the road)
Working in a tampon factory(temping)
Forking manure(grew up on a farm, it made my hair curley)

Heffalump
Dec 16, 2002, 03:21 PM
I have trouble feeling sorry for Monarchs. True, they may have met some brutal, ignoble ends ... but surely, surely they squeezed in a few good moments. Great feasts in the banquet hall, jousting tournaments, copulating with the serving wenches.

In terms of sheer drudgery and everyday suffering I would think some of the worst jobs might have involved being a laborer in the Middle Ages.

But then again crewing a slave galley in the Ottoman navy wouldn't have been fun either. Or a slave of any sort.

The possibilities are many.

Vrylakas
Dec 16, 2002, 05:51 PM
RMSharpe wrote:

How about a Polish soldier during the 1930's and 40's?

:hmm:

Nah, there were much worse. Being a Soviet soldier sucked much worse. If Stalin's GPU goons didn't get you in the purges in the 1930s, and the NKVD didn't overhear you telling a Politburo joke during the war, and the Germans didn't kill you (and your extended family), or worse yet they didn't capture you and make you into slave labor, and finally worst of all if you somehow survived all that and you got shipped home - only to be arrested by your own government for not fighting to the death, and either shot or imprisoned in the gulag system until Khrushchov's amnesty ten years later in 1955.

That's a crappy life.

Panda
Dec 17, 2002, 05:15 AM
That was an entertaining post! :goodjob:

I don't agree that their lives were that bad (they most likely were better off than their subjects) but people who display such intelligence as this:

had a singularly crap death at 45 when he accidentally rode his horse off a cliff

simply deserve the thick end of live's stick. :hammer:

Kublai-Khan
Dec 17, 2002, 05:39 AM
Working in the mines in Peru or Bolivia.

G-Man
Dec 18, 2002, 10:05 AM
Worst job ever: A witch. Make a bridge out of her! Burn her! ;)

Also: being the test subject in the invention of the Spanish inquisition machines. :evil:

nixon
Dec 18, 2002, 11:28 AM
Hmm, perhaps a German soldier in Stalingrad 1942/43. The Russians also suffered badly, but just imagine the situation of the encircled 6th Army, ravaged by arty shells, dysentery, air bombardments, tuberculosis, losing your closest buddies etc.

amadeus
Dec 18, 2002, 11:58 AM
Worse yet, a miner in India working for Union Carbide.

Mongoloid Cow
Dec 18, 2002, 10:50 PM
What about a worker at the Roman vomitoriums (if you don't know what they were, notice the word vomit at the start of the word and let your imagination depict the rest)

Lord_Vetinari
Dec 19, 2002, 07:51 AM
Originally posted by gr8ful wes
Working on the oil rigs of the North Sea is considered the most dangerous

Whaaaat?
Where did you hear this? My father has worked on North Sea oil rigs all his life, and he has never mentioned that it's supposed to be all that dangerous. In fact, most of my uncles and their friends also workd at oil rigs, and none of them have ever been seriously damaged, or know anyone who has. Surely there must be many, many more dangerous jobs out there?

gr8ful wes
Dec 19, 2002, 11:17 AM
I probably got it from some Trivial Pursuit question. I do recall hearing it though.

Kafka2
Dec 19, 2002, 01:15 PM
Depends on the job. The divers face more risks than other jobs.

thestonesfan
Dec 19, 2002, 03:04 PM
Being a matchstick dipper in Victorian London. Nothing like a slow case of poisoning or lung cancer.

Gustav Weiner
Dec 26, 2002, 02:30 PM
Worst job: Royal stamp collector befor paper was invented.

Wildbore
Dec 27, 2002, 02:21 AM
The Pope because you cannot have sex, unless u do it up the #!$ secretly with little children.

Greeny
Dec 28, 2002, 05:26 PM
The "Gong Farmer" in a medievil castle: up to your armpits in human ****e all day, and obviously no friends of any sort (exept mabe other gong farmers, at least they would be used to the smell).

gotta luv "Horrible Histories" :D

Illustrious
Dec 28, 2002, 07:39 PM
Originally posted by Mongoloid Cow
What about a worker at the Roman vomitoriums (if you don't know what they were, notice the word vomit at the start of the word and let your imagination depict the rest)

Sad that this old nonsense is still doing the rounds. A vomitorium was a high-capacity entrance/exit to a stadium or amphitheatre, not a room in which to upchuck.

Since everybody seems to get their disinformation from the internet these days, it seems only fair to point out some information in the same manner - here's a useful URL:

Go here (http://www.straightdope.com/columns/021101.html)

TNG
Dec 29, 2002, 12:38 PM
I would consider a immigrant working in a factory in the late 19th and early 20th century.

Stefan Haertel
Dec 29, 2002, 02:34 PM
That was a great post Kafka2, perhaps the best I've ever read in this forum!

As for my picks for the worst jobs in history...

A servant of Louis XIV in Versailles.
You have to undress and dress that man(?) every evening and morning. By chance, you might have to taste his morning tea, which is one-quarter tea, one-quarter water, and the rest perfume.
You have to spend your day with him and his surroundings, all with horribly powdered faces, you have to smell some disgusting 17th century perfume all the time (and just don't get a headache!), you have to help him on and off his horse, carry his prey from hunting excursions (and don't let the blood soak your clothes, or else!), and you might even have to wipe off his arse! But worst of all, you won't be remembered at all!

A slave of an owner of an insula in ancient Rome.
The insulae of the city of Rome were the most unsafe buildings ever constructed. Nearly every day, at least one of them caught fire or collapsed, burying every poor person underneath. As slave of the owner, you get to live in the rooms on ground level. You never get to leave the house. Living in an insula was damn dirty, loud, it stunk to hell, you would have had to take all complains of every person living there (and believe me, that's not few), tend any animal which happened to be living there, perhaps even taking care of the staircases (wooden staircases, very narrow, and, of course, not at all robust). But worst of all, if this insula decided to collapse, you're f*cked.

But the most horrible job in history, in my opinion, must have been being a slave of a slave of a slave in ancient Rome.
This indeed happened! Some owners actually gave their slaves a pay, allowing them to possess whatever property they wanted. Some slaves saved their money for so long, that they bought themselves slaves. These were called vicarii. You can imagine that admitting to be a slave didn't give you the best of reputations. But imagine admitting to be the slave of a slave!
Not enough, though. Even some of the vicarii were given a loan from their masters, the normal servi, i.e. the slaves. And it actually happened, that some of these vicarii bought their own slaves! Now imagine that you have to tell someone that you are the slave of a slave, who again is the slave of a slave!
That is, in my opinion, the most rotten existance in history.

gael
Dec 31, 2002, 08:12 PM
Kafka2, brilliant first post, very funny.
You have a tallent for comedy, especially the way you rounded it off.

Although there is no excuse for that clown going over the cliff.

Naval Power
Apr 25, 2003, 09:54 PM
How bout one of the guys in the army that cleans out the guts from the insides of the surviving Shermans now that had to be gross.

allhailIndia
Apr 26, 2003, 01:18 AM
ELEPHANT DUNG CLEANER!!!!

talk about a load of sh!t!!:lol:

YNCS
Apr 26, 2003, 09:58 AM
In 1560, Phillip II of Spain had a "mobile inquisition" established to hunt out heresy in the Spanish Fleet. Being a galley slave brought up before the Inquisition has got to be close to the nadir of possible human misery.

allhailIndia
Apr 26, 2003, 11:54 AM
Originally posted by rmsharpe
Worse yet, a miner in India working for Union Carbide.

Union Carbide did not have mines in India:p

You must be referring to a slum dweller in the vicinity of the Union Carbide factory in Bhopal.

Benderino
Apr 26, 2003, 11:59 AM
Prostitutes, perhaps? However, it is the oldest profession in history...

yaroslav
Apr 26, 2003, 02:55 PM
Originally posted by G-Man

Also: being the test subject in the invention of the Spanish inquisition machines. :evil:

Yes, this was a bad thing to be... :(

JC Denton
Apr 26, 2003, 03:08 PM
oh please, being born into slavery and living the rest of your life as a chain wearing slave in the Americas, under the whip, mutilated for punishment, treated worse than dogs, and bareing children into the same life. not even the natives suffered as much as slaves - they just got wiped out. :D

joycem10
Apr 28, 2003, 12:17 PM
to quote norm mcdonald - "assistant crack whore"

rilnator
Apr 28, 2003, 08:23 PM
Being a speed bump. I did it for 2 1/2 years down at my local shops and beleive me- It aint worth $8.45 an hour!

YNCS
Apr 29, 2003, 08:51 PM
They must do things differently in Oz. Around here, in civilization, we use long strips of raised paving for speed bumps. And they don't get paid.

marshal zhukov
Apr 30, 2003, 10:34 PM
Mine clearing expert.
You can only make two mistakes in that carreer.
The first is the when you choose the carreer

Sobieski II
Aug 21, 2003, 06:07 PM
Originally posted by G-Man
Worst job ever: A witch. Make a bridge out of her! Burn her! ;)

Also: being the test subject in the invention of the Spanish inquisition machines. :evil:

OH DEAR GOD

Sims2789
Aug 21, 2003, 10:15 PM
what about Sewage Taste Tester? the best job is Female Body Inspector. :)

Sims2789
Aug 21, 2003, 10:17 PM
US President, since you have a 1-in-10 chance of dieing. (Lincoln, Mckenly, Kennedy and that other guy)

Junzi Nicuzn
Aug 21, 2003, 11:23 PM
sims2789
(Lincoln, Mckenly, Kennedy and that other guy)

Since the other three were assassinated, the other guy you probably meant was James Garfield. He was shot, but died from the poor treatment he received from the doctors who were trying to save his life.

However, other presidents have died in office. FDR died in his fourth term. Harrison, Taylor, & Harding all also died in office.

YNCS
Aug 23, 2003, 02:25 PM
Originally posted by G-Man
Worst job ever: A witch. Make a bridge out of her!
You can only make a bridge out of a witch if she's turned you into a newt first (but you can get better).:mutant:

Sims2789
Jan 22, 2004, 11:23 PM
what about a solider in the Austro-Hungarian Army during WWI. they had 90% casualty rates, and 12% of all Austro-Hungarian soliders died.

Mano3
Jan 23, 2004, 02:07 PM
How about being a 'real Air Force Historian'? It can suck big time! You have to depend on others to provide you source documents so you can write a 100+ report detailing your wing's annual accomplishments. :)

Kafka2
Jan 24, 2004, 02:17 AM
Originally posted by sims2789
what about a solider in the Austro-Hungarian Army during WWI. they had 90% casualty rates, and 12% of all Austro-Hungarian soliders died.

Death rate among Paraguayan soldiers during the War of the riple alliance were in excess of 95%. Over 90% of the entire male population was killed.

Still, they had nice weather and good food, so being King of Scotland was still worse.

philippe
Jan 24, 2004, 03:50 AM
I think the worst job in history is to be nurse in a house full with demented seniors.
Thats why i respect them very much

Cimbri
Jan 24, 2004, 10:52 AM
Heh heh… I still love this thread. :D

cgannon64
Jan 24, 2004, 10:53 AM
Originally posted by sims2789
US President, since you have a 1-in-10 chance of dieing. (Lincoln, Mckenly, Kennedy and that other guy)

Really? Hmm...

I think I'll take a 1-in-10 chance of dying.

Its better than 1-in-1.

:p

NBGreenDay
Jul 14, 2004, 11:27 AM
Now now to be fair to Alexander III he HAD been drinking and driv...er..riding. And it was dark and stormy out :/

HalfBadger
Jul 14, 2004, 02:40 PM
Now now to be fair to Alexander III he HAD been drinking and driv...er..riding. And it was dark and stormy out :/


Then he shoulnd't have been riding, especially near a cliff. Why is everyone blaming him anyways? the Horse also played a part in it.

NBGreenDay
Jul 14, 2004, 06:48 PM
Ye auld trewe friends do nae let friends drink and ride. :lol:

Jack the Ripper
Oct 11, 2004, 07:05 PM
US President, since you have a 1-in-10 chance of dieing. (Lincoln, Mckenly, Kennedy and that other guy)

Ever heard of the 20 year curse. Bush is scheduled to be the next president to die, get killed, or shot. If it doesnt happen b4 november, id say the election's in the bag ;) . One of many reasons Bush will win the election.

The worst job in history probably included some kind of slave labor. I would say the people that built the pyramids but i understand they were hansomly paid. The americans captured by the japanese during WW2 that were forced to build the railroad in southeast asia probably had it worst.

The worst job in the world currently is the human minesweeper. Concept is simple: line up orphins of war, and simply send them across a minefield. This has been happening in Sudan for over 30 years now. Ive known about this since 1999 because members from my church went there to see the suffering firsthand. Why is it that only now the liberal media decides to make a story outta the sudanese civil war? Can anyone say distraction from emabarassing democratic candidate? Let them eat ketchup!!! :gripe:

bigmeat
Oct 11, 2004, 07:41 PM
worst job ever, poop smith, they shovelled excrement out of the moat

dunk
Oct 13, 2004, 01:05 PM
Ever heard of the 20 year curse. Bush is scheduled to be the next president to die, get killed, or shot. If it doesnt happen b4 november, id say the election's in the bag ;) . One of many reasons Bush will win the election.

You never know, he may choke on another pretzel.

And BTW, the curse was placed by the Cherokee chief when Andrew Jackson rounded them all up and sent them on the trail of tears.

NBGreenDay
Oct 13, 2004, 01:15 PM
But they were being given all new glorious lands of freedom! How do you know the trail of tears wasnt referring to tears of joy?

Had to play devils advocate in a debate for my App. Studies class :p

Intendant
Oct 14, 2004, 11:55 AM
I read that in in Eighteenth Century London there were people that would collect and sell dog turds. I can't recall why anyone would buy such a thing. How about the guys who had to collect and dispose of amputated limbs after a battle? That would be an abysmal gig too.

Adso de Fimnu
Oct 14, 2004, 03:06 PM
King/Queen of Scotland.
Before any Hibernian readers start dusting off their Claymores...
Excellent article, but Hibernia is Ireland. I think you mean Caledonians.

Kafka2
Oct 15, 2004, 01:16 PM
Well there you go. I get slightly inaccurate when I'm on a roll.