Right Melifluous here,

Gonna start a PBEM OCC game max 8 players.

Details
Size: Tiny
Map: Pangea
Landmass: Max Water(80%)
Diff: Regent
Rest: Random

Players Max (8)
Player 1: Melifluous (Americans)
Player 2: anarres (Rome)
Player 3: EssexLoony2 (Korea)
Player 4: Lt "Killer" M (Babylon)
Player 5: Wildfire444 (Carthage)
Player 6: Col (Random)
Player 7: Djurre (Egyptians)
Player 8: CLOSED

Post below to join...

Melifluous

Agent Orange OCC Game (CET)GAME HAS STARTED

GAME STARTED 22nd DECEMBER 12:30GMT

Count me in Mel :)

Email is in my profile, Id like to be Korea please.

me, Babylon!

Hey melifiliolsouos???. I'm officially starting a campaign to get your nick forceably changed to melif so I can write it correctly for once ;)

Oh, yeah, romans :D

Like the map settings :)

I'll be Carthage.

I'll give it a go. Just got PTW and patch. My first PBEM so be gentle with me.

Dont mind who - no idea of strengths and weaknesses of new civs anyway!

@Anarres - I changed my mind!

He he! :crazyeye:

Your first PBEM and immediately go for OCC! I will follow this one closely from the thread! Good luck to you all, I think it will be a hard one!

Well the way I see it is that if I get taken out early then at least I can watch some of the big boys play. Besides OCC for everyone might be fun - if a bit cutthroat. I can see a few different possible strategies here. There wont be any slow lingering deaths in this kind of game.

Maybe I'll get a nice fertile island all to myself

Put me down as a random civ - then the others wont know what to expect either!

Originally posted by col
Put me down as a random civ - then the others wont know what to expect either! I never even thought of that tactic. Nice one col :goodjob:

Why don't you guys take raging barbarians! That would be fun too! :satan: :die:

:D

Originally posted by anarres
I never even thought of that tactic.

So if possible I'd like to be random.

Civ : Lankies
Adjective : Lanky
etc

You wont know what units to expect or when my GA might be.

:D

You expect to live until your GA?? Wow, glass half full huh? :lol:

OK gonna give this one more day to fill the other two places,
Then...

It Starts!

Melifluous

PS. Aiming to start Sunday am. (GMT)

I would like to join. I choose the Egyptians.

My E-mail is Djurre.Koopmans_AT_student.uva.nl

OK all,

The GAME HAS STARTED

Could you send me your email address re: PBEM OCC?

Need any details? Check my site HERE (http://www.marsden-broad.co.uk)

Melifluous

My email is civ3_AT_danwilliamson.net

Played 4000BC, not bad for an OCC...

On to essexlooney2: neil.window_AT_btinternet.com

Stupid question (but I better check anyway):

Doe everyone know the definition of an OCC game? I ask because in the tounament someone submitted an OCC game that was a 20K culture victory (One City Culture).

OCC stands for One City Challenge. This means that you can only ever have 1 city. If you take another city you have to raise it. (Variant Rule: You may capture a city, but you must get rid of it in the same turn. This is pointless here anyway, since no-one else could buy it from you ;) )

Or are we playing the 20K culture win? :crazyeye:

Originally posted by anarres
Stupid question (but I better check anyway):

OCC stands for One City Challenge. This means that you can only ever have 1 city. If you take another city you have to raise it. (Variant Rule: You may capture a city, but you must get rid of it in the same turn. This is pointless here anyway, since no-one else could buy it from you ;) )

Dont worry Anarres. In the unlikely event that I capture your city, I promise to raze it straight away.
:p

Col

I have a totally theoretical strategy for OCC, that I shall be testing during this game....

request: could everyone please state 'OCC' when sending me a save / battle report? I almost mis-moved (planning several cities) until I realized which game this is! :lol:


let's see: a cow a wheat a hut a river....... :mwaha:

I have 2 questions about the OCC rules. Is it allowed to abandon your own capital (I don't even know if that is possible :) ) when you captured another city? And may you create a settler on a galley so when your capital is destroyed you can build it somewhere else?

In both causes you will still have only 1 city all the time.

Unless you have seriously flawed tactics, or fall way behind in Tech, your city being destroyed is very unlikely.

However, I believe that if you lose your city, you are out.

I the last GOTM I built a settler and put it on a galley just before the Persians took my last city Babylon (I saw the AI do that in one of my previous games). I wasn't destroyed, I could still sail my galley (until I suicided it to find new land). So in an OCC game (without elimination) you could build a galley with a settler on it as an extra saveguard. I agree with you ,essexlooney , that when your capital is destroyed you'll be defeated later anyway, because you'll will be too far behind.

But now for example suppose you are a very suicidal warmonger and your opponent is also and you both have a settler on a galley ( I know, a lot of assumptions :) ). You and your opponent are both at the gates of eachothers capital with a huge military force but have both neglected the defense of your city ( remember, you are suicidal :) ). Then if you are the first one to take the capital you could abandon your own capital and keep the opponents capital. Now your opponent won't have a big city anymore and has to use his settler to rebuild one.

It is a strange example, but i just wanted to know if building a settler on a galley is allowed in the OCC game.

IMO, losing your capital should result in instant death. It just seems right :D

Yes, I agree. I think your game should be over when you lost your capital. That way players could not conquer a city with a wonder in it and then disband their own capital to keep the wonder.

OK,

Just to clarify then...

OCC means One CITY challenge, you build no others...

Settlers must not be built ever! Only for use as prebuilds...

Settler gained from huts MUST BE DISBANDED

Cities gained from huts and/or conquest must immediatley RAZED!

Anyone breaking from these rules will instantly lose...

Melifluous

PS. heh, that sounded tough didn't it ;)

Well, that answers all my questions. Thanks.

I keep checking my email but nothing has arrived yet.

:(

My email is messed up col. I can still recieve the game but it won't let me send it.

Ok. No prob. Pulled it down from here.
******** starting position.
;)
And sent on to Djurre.

I played my turn and sent it on to Melifluous.

I got it....

Shame on you Djurre, playing and posting on Christmas day...

anyways next up... anarres!

Melifluous

I am not a Christian. So I didn't know that I would offend you when I E-mailed you on Christmas day. If I did, I apologize for it.

Good luck with your game.

Djurre

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Oh man , that is the funniest thing I heard inna long time

Offend me by sending me mail? Even at Christmas?
Not bloody likely...

I also am not a Christain, (not that I have anything against them the poor deluded fools), I was merely surprised that you were playing Civ3 instead of drinking till you were ill or that ugly girl became a model (you KNOW what I mean)...

And I suppose I was only not playing because I was at my In-laws and they do not play Civ3... :eek:
Still working on that one....

Anyway Seasons Greetings From The Capatalistic Western Money Obsessed Materialistic Society and a profitable New Year to all...

:goodjob:

Melifluous

:D

Allright then.

A profitable new year to you too Melifluous.

Passed on.

My turns are gonna be very short for a while...

Has this game died?
Who has the save??
Will I ever play turn 2???

As far as I know EssexLoony2 has the game...

And he aint around again until tomorrow :(

Dont ya just hate Christmas... ;)

Melifluous

Could whoever has the game at the moment send me an email to let me know where it is at the moment?

Also I am gonna introduce a new rule type thing...

Could everybody in the game send an email to everyone else in the game when they finish a turn, just to let everyone know where the game is at...

Then we can flame or badger as we see fit ;)

Melifluous

OOC GAME ADMINISTRATOR :scan:

Ok,

The game has now been moved on, but I would swear that the save sent to me by Annarres had already been played??? Maybe I am wrong, ho hum.

essexlooney2: When you came online earlier I couldn't work out who Redknapp was, sorry about not saying hi...

I promise the save I sent you hadn't had your turn taken - I would have to know your password for that, and also you would not have been prompted for a password if I had taken your turn.

essexloony2: if you had set your worker on 'road-to' and uses some other automation for your possible scout it will look like it was played indeed.

Lol,

I dont mean that :)

What i mean is that it appears someone may have misplayed their turn, or mis-saved. I would swear we already played 3950 BC is what I meant.

Annarres, sorry if it sounded like i meant something else bro. I just get the feeling that I was playing that particular turn for the second time.

sorry :blush: a bit unconcentrated atm.

hehe, no worries essexlooney, it kinda feels like I've been here before too. I had to check the thread posts to make sure we were still on turn 2 :D

I am on turn 100 in the head-to-head match (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=40319) with ERIKK

I dream of playing turn 2. Its the only game I have a good site in.

Next player get it from here.



@col: You say you have a good starting position. I hope not too good. (I can already see your borders :lol: )
If you want to live peacefully together i will tell you what direction i am from. I have a luxury too so we could trade really early!

@wildfire Best starting position in 4 PBEMs - mind you two are in jungle and one is on the tip of a peninsula with desert between me and the rest of the land.

I cant see you but yes I have a luxury to trade.... Always open to offers.
PM me.

I sent the game on to Melifluous.

Game sent onto anarres,

So basically nothing will be done til at least 17:00 CET...

Also in game...

Wildfire444? I can see you from here! Can you see my scout waving?...
Col I can see your borders too! Good grief! How close are we all to each other?

This 7 civs onna tiny map is sure gonna be crowded...

Will there be any room for barbarians? :eek:

Melifluous

Well thats interesting. Me, col and you already have met or will soon. :hmm:

passed on to essexlooney.

I forgot we were playing on tiny :eek:

Ummm, col? Forgot ur email. Could you pm it to me? Thanks.


To Melifluous, yes i saw him, and i put up possible trade items.

Its colinf_AT_btinternet.com

Got your email sorted then!

Got the save - and sent on to Djurre

By the way I cant see anyone else :(

I am to your northwest, believe me, and Melifiluos will most likely go SOUTHEAST with the scout and meet you.

Was that too much of a hint? ;)


Thanks for the email address :goodjob:

I passed the game on to Melifluous.

And I passed it onto anarres this morning...
So he will be able to play it tonight...
(I hope)

Lets get this moving quicker...
OCC is all about hitting space a LOT and this needs to move faster please...

Melifluous

Pressed space :p

Sent to col.

Col probably wont be playing this til tomorrow...

He is rocking away today at his father mad wild and groovy 80th B'day party...

:bday: :beer: :band:

Much respect going out to the man...

May he live to see another 80 years...

(if Col gets the Longevity wonder in time :o)

Melifluous

PS. Anyway thanks for posting on MildFire :goodjob:

Bleary eyed and hung over - have pressed space and forwarded - to the wrong person first time but should be Ok now.

Originally posted by col
Bleary eyed and hung over - have pressed space and forwarded - to the wrong person first time but should be Ok now. :lol:

Sent the game to Melifluous.

Onto anarres...

yay... Away we go...

Melifluous

The turns on this really are slow atm. I suppose it's in the nature of OCC...

On to essexlooney

If anybody gets in touch with essexloony2 we need him to make a move in Killer's PBEM game:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=37781&perpage=20&display=&pagenumber=12

Right EssexLoony has been kicked from this game for being crap...

Less than 1 turn per week is NOT acceptable...

NEW PLAYER IS.....

ERIKK

Welcome all.... please...

Anyway back to the game...

Melifluous

PS. anarres could you mail the save to ERIKK...

I havent been able to play yesterday. The admin password you gave me is does not work.... :mad: Please PM me the right one.

Sent the turn on to Melifluous.

Lol

I know you told me to ignore what you posted here Mel, but.....

I had the OCC game for about 36 hours. I apologise for that, and know that I should be moving my turns along a little faster, but internet connections are not so easily available in other countries. That is why I play by Email.

I recieved, played, and sent on that turn from a small town in the Punjab. I am now back in the UK, and still find it hard to believe that I even managed to get electricity, which required one of the local engineers to rig me up a transformer for my laptop.

I strongly object to the claim that I am 'crap' because I could not play my turn for a day and a half. I am sorry if my life does not revolve around playing Civ, I thought this was a game.

I am afraid that faced with the choice of helping a small community in a very poor country build a local railway to get their economy kick-started, and playing Civ3, the choice is not that hard to make.

If you want to leave Erik in, thats fine by me.

It is back in your hands essexloony2!

Yeah OK,

So maybe it was a little harsh, but did we know where you were?

No....
Did you let anyone know?

No....
Are you involved in a lot of games?

Yes...
Do most games get stuck with you?

Yes...

Anyway you're back in the OCC as you are now back in the country...

Lets all be nice and be friends yes?

Melifluous

essexloony: for the future, it would be a smart idea to tell people BEFOREHAND when you go on 'civ-risky' trips. Then, we don't worry, we don't stay up late at night waiting for hte mail ;)

essexloony2:

FWIW there are 4 full days between me sending it to you and you posting here, not 36 hours.

If 8 players took 4 days per move it would take over a month per turn. So, in a year we would take only 12 moves. 200 is more like the realistic minimum to play a game with 8 players.

I am not saying this to criticise you, but to point out the logistics of a game like this. If there will be an occasional absence then everyone will be fine with it, but with no prior notice it appeared as though you had decided not to play anymore.

I really want you to stay in the game, but it is important you know why people got frustrated, not just that they did get frustrated.

Lets play :scan:

OK enough getting at EssexLoony already...

He gets point and we dont want him to REALLY quit :rolleyes:

Game sent to anarres,

Melifluous

I will not quit, but only because I am going to win.....;p

Also Anarres, I didnt play the turn at the same time as I posted. I had no internet access out there, only a phone line which allowed me to get Outlook to work.

I really should set up Internet on my laptop, but then who goes to a country as beautiful as India and wastes time browsing the internet...

For the record, I am in 3 games and intend to service them all far better in future. Sorry I held things up.

Thanks for your commitment Essex, :love:

I also appreciate the tone in which you are accepting this criticism, are you a manager at work? :king:

I would like to say again to everyone again...

Could You Please Send An Email Now To At Least Me Preferably Everyone Saying That You Have Sent The Game On, And Who You Sent It Too...

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Saves on thread space then :p

Melifluous

We have to send an email to everyone!?!? Thats a little inconvenient dontcha think? I send it to the person after me and thats all. If anyone else wants to know, i'll post here and tell you that I sent it. I dont need my Inbox full of "Sent game to so and so."

Yes send a mail to at least me is what I said....

Thought it was fairly clear...

I dont want people spam mailing me or getting annoyed cos they dont know where the game is...
If you dont like it then I suggest you send me your password now and retire from this game as it is obviously too much effort for you...

Nice to see people making the effort dont you think :p

Melifluous

I'm sorry but your logic is kinda well, stupid. I just email it to the person next in line, and hope that they dont take off for almost a week without telling anyone (sorry essex). Some people who do that, i can understand (Sage broke his leg) but now your just getting paranoid that its going to happen again.

Want to know what i do when i get a PBEM game?
1) Scan it
2) Download it
3) Play it
4) Send to next in line
5) Post in that thread if anything interesting has happened.

Right now, one of my PBEM games is going relatively quickly without anyone posting on this site for awhile.

Originally posted by WildFire444
I'm sorry but your logic is kinda well, stupid.

Interesting choice of Words...

Now I know English aint your first language so I'll say it again slow...

Everyone will mail at least me when they mail the game on to the next person...

I aint asking you, I am telling you, as this PBEMs administrator...

OK?

Melifluous

Hey, do we need to introduce the PBEM police to calm this all down?

:hammer: :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: :hammer:


Seriously folks, it's a game.

Mel, you are harsh with your words.

WildFire, Mel is in charge here, you can't help that, you have to live with it...

Well excuse me for being slightly confused as to why I have to email a message to anyone else besides col because he is the person I am supposed to be sending it too.

But just to let you all know, i will only send a message to col and Mel cause thats really all who needs to know.

Widfire: I don't get what your problem is, right when you send that mail to col, simpyl 'cc' it to mel. Takes about 172 second and it is HIS mailbox hat gets full. It is enough if TWO people realize that something is amiss, if one is away (say col isn't here) meli can check; if meli isn't here col can still pass it on. That way we'd need to be VERY unlucky to have the game lost unknown.

that is all, no extra work needed ;)

Well, yeah i know about that Killer but now i am going to have to get his email and when other Administrator's of their PBEM games think that they have to do this, than they are going to require people to do this, and i will have to srounge this site for the emails (even though i shouldn't have to

WF: you need it one, then save it with the nick 'meli'. Clcik the address window, type in m-e-l-i and the program shoul automatically parse in the mail addy.

edit: you knwo that well, and I know you know, so I guess it is just another round in the joust between you :rolleyes:

WF: you need it one, then save it with the nick 'meli'. Clcik the address window, type in m-e-l-i and the program shoul automatically parse in the mail addy.

Another turn come and gone!!

Yeah,

And I got confirmation emails from everyone except KILLER...

bad boy, if you have trouble mailing me I can always give you a nice FAQ on the matter...

Or read your post above

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Melifluous

:blush: if you think I can keep track of which game I have to send where :confused: ;)

Sent on to essexlooney2

On it goes :)

It's done a full circle and is back to essexlooney...

Hi Mel, we seem to be making a habit of this, don't we ;)

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads3/008.meli.jpg

Played, still no signs of life in my little corner of civdom.

let me see what goes on in mine.....

nothing much :(


GPS

ditto

Hmmm is this one missing again???

Nope,

Just got a message from Col that he has sent it on to Wildfire.

Rolling slowly but slowly.. ;)

Melifluous

Actually I got it from Wildfire and sent it on to Djurre.

Okay, col has sent it to the next person after a delay. (Hopefully) Game On!

Bump ;)

This has started again and is currently in year 3400BC give or take 50 years ;)

I guess this one is on the same hold track as all others with mixed patch participants :(

:rolleyes:

It is moving, but I think at about 1 turn a week, maybe a little less. :sad:

W00t 3350 :)

The weird thing is that my last 3 saves have been in and out of my inbox inside 4 hours.

Where exacly is the hold up on this game? I absolutely refuse to play a single more turn unless the game I sent out 3 or 4 days ago reaches me in the next 48 hours. Every time I get the save it's like, 'yeah, I remember this game now!'. :sad: :mad: :cry:

just got it

It would be much appreciated if you got off that hill col...

SINCE ITS RIGHT NEXT TO MY CAPITAL :p

I had planned to sit here for a while resting after climbing that mountain, but if you insist ...

well - would you believe it, I call into a nearby city for a little light refreshment and I'm attacked by thugs. I defend myself and the city collapses around me. Well I never. Never underestimate a veteran. ;)

It was much safer up on that mountain.

Jesus Christ! Col the Killer! :eek:

:cry:

Oh well. One less PBEM for me (thats still on 1.14).

But still, we had agreed to be allies. That worked :p

Making a warrior next turn too :( Too bad I had to move my start or I would of already had that warrior. I remember a little while back you said to get out of your territory, and since I was thinking we were allies, i did.

Warmonger.... ;)

Originally posted by WildFire444
I remember a little while back you said to get out of your territory, and since I was thinking we were allies, i did.:hmm: ...could you have killed Col at that moment?

No, I wasnt a square away, I was two but still inside his borders. So I just explored around. Sadly.

I rushed a spearman because you were so close! I thought you'd do the same.

:hmm:

Oh, sorry. Didnt know that I was supposed to break our deal. Did my online reputation finally hit this page?

That wouldnt be good :p

Uh, just cause I got killed doesnt mean I dont care what happens in this game unless it died :(

Looks like the game died just after you WF. :p

Yeah sad but true...

I do hereby declare this game dead...

Great Idea, but as likely as most other large PBEM games as likely to survive as a chocolate fireguard...

Never mind...

Nobody won, but at least we all know who lost ;)

Melifluous

Ha ha ha

I would of won if I didnt get backstabbed ;)

hehe,

reminds me of another classic footie quote...

If the ball would have been the other side of the post it would have been a goal!

:)

Melifluous