Sorry if this has been asked by every Mac user in the universe, but...

When is the Editor prog due out, and if it's ready, where can I download it? URL of probable web site please, would also help.

I've downloaded the 1.21g update - is it included in that?

Thanks everyone.

Might want to check this thread out for info on that. To summarize, it's basicly due out 'soon,' with a handfull of bugs to kill and pending the approval of, say, Macsoft.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=38560&pagenumber=3

Basically, based on the information currently public,
- It could conceivably be released tomorrow. Note that I don't claim this is likely, just that nothing we currently know says it couldn't be.
- It could well be next month, especially if key people take a week or so off for Christmas.
- It's not impossible it could be even later if some last-minute hard-to-track-down bug is suddenly discovered.

So my point is basically that you should neither hold your breath nor speculate until Brad or Macsoft say something more.

but still, b4 christmas would be nice:)

Well, since I'm out of town from the 26th through the 31st and classes start up again on the 2nd, if it isn't tomorrow it won't make much difference to me whether it's before Christmas or not.

I skulked around the MacSoft website (now a subsidiary of Infogrames), and I couldn't stand it anymore. I sent in this request in via their site:
ISSUE DESCRIPTION
I'm having a difficult time editing scenarios. In fact, I'm missing the main
tool for the job. I know Brad is hard at work on the editor, but on the Civ
III Downloads - Mac page, there isnt even a hint of the editor. Not a whiff.

The questions:
1.) Where will the editor be posted? On the Civ III Downloads - Mac page? On
the Civ.com site?
2.) When will the editor be posted? How long will the approval process take?
Can we get an unapproved beta posted immediately? Mere moments make a
difference...

Thanks,
EJ
They answered promptly (points for them), but it was a bit terse and profoundly un-userfriendly.
Infogrames-U.S. support identity discreetly witheld
Erik,

The Editor will be available as a download at a later date. When it is
available, we will post the information, both here and on our automated
phone system at 425-398-3085.
So, there you have it: "at a later date." Man, you can just feel the love, can't you? I've gotten warmer, more informative feedback from the CIA's PIO...

hey, what do you expect? we're only waiting about one year...:mad: let's give them some more and we will get the editor, the day that "Civ IV" for windows will be released ...

I hate to tell you, but that is word-for-word the same message as is posted at the Infogrames support page for Civ 3. You can witness the cruel indifference here (http://ina-support.com/faq/civ3_mac.asp).

Originally posted by nmcul
I hate to tell you, but that is word-for-word the same message as is posted at the Infogrames support page for Civ 3. You can witness the cruel indifference here (http://ina-support.com/faq/civ3_mac.asp).
So it is. I have a vague memory of seeing that, now that you remind me. I feel a bit sheepish...

Hm.

No wonder they were so fast on the reply. At least they personalized it, though:
Dear [fill in the blank],

The Editor will be available as...

Despite Brad's reassuring words that there were only a few issues to address, then MacSoft approval, then release, I have some doubts about the editors immediacy. The recent holiday I am sure meant not much work occurred last week or will this week. Adding to that, Westlake Interactive's Project Status page still has the editor listed as "Beta" and they seem to be pretty good about updating that. That being said, I think we might have a while to go yet.

Originally posted by willywonka
That being said, I think we might have a while to go yet.

It's in "final candidate" now. I can see about getting the website updated, but given that most everyone is in flux with New Years and MacWorld next week, I'm not sure that it would mean anything.

You guys sure are a pessimistic bunch. ;)

Originally posted by Brad Oliver
You guys sure are a pessimistic bunch. ;)
Realists, Brad. Your occasional updates are the only thing keeping a lot of us realists from being pessimists.

And we thank you.

Considering that we Mac users have been treated as second-class citizens by Infogrames the whole time, what would you expect????

Originally posted by Brad Oliver
You guys sure are a pessimistic bunch. ;)

I don't know if you play civ3 on a mac, but if you did you might understand why we're so down at the time...

Originally posted by Trabpukcip


I don't know if you play civ3 on a mac, but if you did you might understand why we're so down at the time...


well, he wrote it, does that count? :confused: :) :lol:

lateralis

Originally posted by Brad Oliver

You guys sure are a pessimistic bunch. ;)

To be perfectly honest Brad, I believe we have some justification for that. ;) ;)

It reminds me of when I had dial-up Internet access, and the closer a file was to being completely downloaded, the slower my connect would get, so that the time remaining at 25% done was more or less the time remaining when 95% done. Not that I am saying that is the case here...

Originally posted by willywonka
It reminds me of when I had dial-up Internet access, and the closer a file was to being completely downloaded, the slower my connect would get, so that the time remaining at 25% done was more or less the time remaining when 95% done. Not that I am saying that is the case here...

It's just another example of the 90-90 rule of programming - the first 90% of the project takes 90% of the time and the last 10% takes the other 90% of the time. :D

HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!

It's 2003 - do you know where your editor is?

funny thread, a lot of wimpy kind of suck up writing tho when it comes to this editor and ptw thing- just a game-computer guys are notorious for their " smarter than you" attitude and of course you would see this clearly and pronounced on any computer issue.

Originally posted by gfeier
It's 2003 - do you know where your editor is?
I could be wrong, but I'd swear I saw the editor on the side of a milk carton.

Originally posted by ejday

I could be wrong, but I'd swear I saw the editor on the side of a milk carton.

:rotfl:

Rumor is, it was seen in Time Square New Year's Eve with Chris Isaak and his drummer. Next Thursday, its a guest on the Jay Leno Show. Seriously, I'm not kidding! :)

*cue dramatic, mysterious music*

Next, on Unsolved Mysteries. The Civ 3 Mac Editor. Reports of this elusive program are widespread, but few have seen it... and lived to tell the tale.

I was in a gas station about to pay the attendant and I looked outside and swear I saw the Editor in a pink Cadillac with Elvis, but they sped off before I could run outside and be sure (I had to wait and pay for the Twinkies after all).

It's a conspiracy! Dun dun dun...

FWIW, Westlate updated their project Status page yesterday reflecting the editor's status to Final Candidate.

I'm still without my Gossamer Desktop, so playing is still not an option for me.

;)

:)

;) :)

frunobulax---those last two posts are hysterical!!!! I didn't think that the milk carton comment could be topped.
It's nice to see that a sense of humor is being maintained.

Originally posted by Nixnutz
frunobulax---those last two posts are hysterical!!!! I didn't think that the milk carton comment could be topped.
It's nice to see that a sense of humor is being maintained.

Glad you enjoyed it Nixnutz ! Here's a fourth (and last) one... kinda got on a roll...

Frunoblax, DiamondzAndGunz, those were priceless! Nice work, guys!

Another good one...but...Expose Mac user secretly using a PC.....!!!!!!! Egads...I use a dark side machine all day:cry:

Mission successful! Nixnutz has indeed been exposed.

Originally posted by Beamup
Mission successful! Nixnutz has indeed been exposed.

Does VPC count to?

Shh! Don't expose the rest of us! ;) :lol:
Only thing wrong with VPC is it's slow.... That's why I can't wait for the Mac Editor!

Originally posted by DiamondzAndGunz
Only thing wrong with VPC is it's slow

From my perspective, the only thing wrong with VPC is that it doesn't work at all! Never been able to understand it - I do exactly the same things other people do to make it work, but it doesn't work.:mad: :aargh: :rant: :wallbash:

Originally posted by Beamup

From my perspective, the only thing wrong with VPC is that it doesn't work at all!

Heh, worked fine for me, virtually right away (no pun intended). All I did was borrow a copy of Win 98 SE from one of THEM, installed it (took a while), and it worked. I'm using OS X now, but I installed it under 9, and it still works as it did then. Make sure you have the latest patch (;)).

Anyway, I reallly can't wait to get started on some maps... Have had some idea's, although I can't think of em off the top of my head... Hopefully, 1.29 will not take too long to get out as well, as that fixed some things that were wrong with civ/editor, such as adding luxuries, among other things.

Was I imagining things when I thought the Mac editor would bring us up to 1.29 level? Will we need another patch after the editor to be able to load PC-generated games? My obsession is still GOTM, until PTW for Mac comes out that is...

Originally posted by Melinder
Was I imagining things when I thought the Mac editor would bring us up to 1.29 level?
Yes, you were imagining it. The editor will come in at 1.21.
However, since PTW is in the works, they may yet bring everything to 1.29... but we won't know until contractual negotiations finish and official port news is announced (taking it to 1.29 may actually be a part of the negotiations).

Thanks ejday... BTW, that's the first sig file that's given me pause for thought in quite a while :)

First thing... I typoed.. was not trying to call Westlake Westlate!


Second.. um.. er... I'm already exposed, I guess... I've been using the hacked PC editor on my kids' Windows 98 (now Windows 2000) machine until the editor is done on the Mac side...

VPC was just way too slow for me.

Originally posted by Melinder
Thanks ejday... BTW, that's the first sig file that's given me pause for thought in quite a while :)
Welcome. Glad the sig got the gears rolling.
Originally posted by Grey Randall
I typoed.. was not trying to call Westlake Westlate!
But it was so good we'll give you credit it for anyway. It is a keeper.

And if I had the room, I'd probably cobble together a little wintel appliance to play on the editor, too.

:confused:
Okay, they've been holding our editor in limbo for what... two weeks? Westlake handed over the final candidate a while ago, what on earth is MacSoft doing? Are they looking for cover art for the imaginary box as they post it the editor? Have they posted the editor -- and I just missed it somehow?

Don't know about the editor, but as I was looking on MacSoft's website, I note that they still say MoOIII will be in stores "autumn 2002." I think somebody hasn't been updating their website. :lol:

Originally posted by Beamup
Don't know about the editor, but as I was looking on MacSoft's website, I note that they still say MoOIII will be in stores "autumn 2002." I think somebody hasn't been updating their website. :lol:

Over at IMG (http://www.insidemacgames.com) , I read a post, in a random thread, by Brad saying his was finished w/ the editor, hence Final Candidate. So, he is done.

Also, there was a MacSoft update re: Moo3. Its a few hours behind the PC version. In a perfect world, it would be released relatively soon after the PC version's release.

Oh, I know. I just thought it was amusing that the page was multiple months out of date. Seems like it could be updated as they get info - such as when it hits winter and MoOIII isn't released yet. It's not like I actually use it for information or anything.

Although combining Brad's comment at IMG with the fact that it's been at FC for a couple weeks (though much of that was over MacWorld), it doesn't sound like any new issues have come up. Thus one does wonder what the holdup is.

Originally posted by dojoboy
...Brad saying his was finished w/ the editor, hence Final Candidate. So, he is done.
Yeah, I think I remember him saying something similar over here, too. He handed it over for them to look at (I think we had a discussion of MacSoft's "approval process") but that was a couple weeks ago. Talked about concurrent release of editor and the announcement of PTW (that didn't happen either)...

So that's my question. Where's MacSoft? That odd little software company with the funny hat that's hidden somewhere in the crowd... Somebody get it on their drive then go on vacation? They find the one "auto-destruct" bug? There some secret politik going on back there?

Originally posted by ejday

Where's MacSoft? There some secret politik going on back there?

I heard a rumour that they're holding back till Bush and Blair go into Iraq, just in case Saddam tries to edit his Republican Guards A/D/M settings... ;)

Originally posted by frunobulax


I heard a rumour that they're holding back till Bush and Blair go into Iraq, just in case Saddam tries to edit his Republican Guards A/D/M settings... ;)
Good one. I wonder, though, whether the Republican Guard would be locked in at 1/1/1 or -- for accuracy's sake -- could have negative numbers?

Originally posted by ejday

Good one. I wonder, though, whether the Republican Guard would be locked in at 1/1/1 or -- for accuracy's sake -- could have negative numbers?

Nah, I think for the sake of gameplay, they had to sacrifice some of that accuracy... I'd guess that it's probably 1/1/1. Besides, Saddam can't edit the rules in the middle of the game... He has to wait till the next one for the changes to take effect... ;)

Originally posted by DiamondzAndGunz


Nah, I think for the sake of gameplay, they had to sacrifice some of that accuracy... I'd guess that it's probably 1/1/1. Besides, Saddam can't edit the rules in the middle of the game... He has to wait till the next one for the changes to take effect... ;)

He can use a saved game editor...if he has a PC (real or Virtual)...:rolleyes:

Originally posted by DiamondzAndGunz


Nah, I think for the sake of gameplay, they had to sacrifice some of that accuracy... I'd guess that it's probably 1/1/1. Besides, Saddam can't edit the rules in the middle of the game... He has to wait till the next one for the changes to take effect... ;)

Now, now; let's give credit where credit is due. Ther are at least 1/1/3. They were awfully good at retreating and surrendering.

Well, if they're good at surrendering, we might as well make em 1/0/2... And if he would use a saved game editor, why wait for the mac editor? gotta take that into consideration...

Originally posted by DiamondzAndGunz
...And if he would use a saved game editor, why wait for the mac editor? gotta take that into consideration...
So let's send Hans Blix over and find where they're hiding our editor!

Nah, I think they're more like 0/0/4 - try to run away, but if that fails they fold like a house of cards.

And yes, Blix does need to start looking for the editor - after all, using the editor would let Saddam build up huge stockpiles of nukes with ease. It must be confiscated and distributed to the rest of the world so that we can make sure to build SDI to protect ourselves.

The editor...
Originally posted by Beamup
...Blix does need to start looking for the editor - after all, using the editor would let Saddam build up huge stockpiles of nukes with ease. It must be confiscated and distributed to the rest of the world so that we can make sure to build SDI to protect ourselves.
Hmm... I just saw this:
Excerpt from the Associated Press
Inspectors Find Unused Editors in Iraq
By GRIM FANDANGO
Associated Press Writer

BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - An inspection team searching computers in southern Iraq on Thursday found 11 unused CivIII editors that Iraqi officials had not declared to the United Nations, a U.N. spokesman said. Iraq insisted that it had reported the editors, which it said were old and only for CivII scenarios.

Also Thursday, inspectors searched the homes of two Iraqi programmers in Baghdad for the first time. One of the them, Bob, left with inspectors, but it was unclear if there was any connection between the home search and the discovery of iron deposits in all the hills surrounding his capital.

Debate immediately began about whether the editors constituted a material breach under MacSoft Resolution OU812.

The Westlake administration insisted that Iraq was violating the resolution regardless of whether the editors are in violation...
...Just thought it was topical.