(By me) In the light of secret negotiations totally falling apart, and the Six-Party Talks totally failing, I hereby Declare War on Lighthearter, effective as soon as the next update is made.

Our grounds for war are as follows:

1. Yes our ally attacked first, which is why we did not join in the War for such a long period of time, but now it seems he is vying for peace. Not ONLY did Lighthearter reject our fair peace initiative with the Beijing Treaty, they also refused to consider the much more stringent and harsh peace against DC that was the Miami Treaty.

2. Lighthearter has threatened to kill many innocent people with Nukes. He has made these threats publicly, and I do have evidence in my personal messages as well, and in the Peace for America Social Group, that he is prepared to use nukes in retaliation for being attacked conventionally.

We shall meet you on the battlefield next update Lighthearter.

I declared war on LH, and therefore Madagascar and Australia declared war on me. This should be reflected. I'll send you a PM as well so you'll be sure not to miss it.

A vote for Australia.

Ottomans

Carthage votes for Australia.

We also announce that our XP's are for sale! 5XP's in prime condition, will go to the highest bidder. The minimum price is a 1:1 XP:LP conversion. We may not see offers in the thread, so all offers must be submitted through either PM or VM, preferably VM.

Edit: you don't have to buy in groups of 5, you can buy as many or few as you like

DT
Carthaginian Merchant :deal:

How many XPs and LPs does Ormus have?

I'm having trouble copying the map... in that I can't right-click on it. How should I get war orders to you?

I vote Ottomans.

The state of war between Ormuz has been cut and we are at peace, we are going to announce the details of our agreement soon


Ottomans

The state of war between Ormuz has been cut and we are at peace, we are going to announce the details of our agreement soon


Ottomans
Should I invite them to the ADU?

If they want to, If you want to but yes they agreed to being a vassal state to me

No offense to Australia, but the idea of an Ottoman colony in the Pacific is just too great.

@ tailless, you forgot my claims

I vote the Ottomans

I vote Australia.

Denmark for Ottomans

The Treaty of Bandar-Abbas
between
The Caliphate
and
The Kingdom of Ormus
Agreed
1. Ormus agrees to become a vassal state.
2. Ormus will follow the Caliphate in times of war.
3. Ormus will provide oil to the Caliphate in return for strategic protection.
4. Ormus will provide local protection while guarding the mouth of the Persian Gulf.
5. Both nations will help each other in times of danger or disaster.
6. Ormus will accept Arabic as its official language.
7. Ormus will accept Islam as its official religion.
Not Agreed yet
8.Ormus will accept Shariah law
9.Agreed border


Caliph Nedim Ibn Mehmed and the PM of Ormus signing the agreement
http://oi54.tinypic.com/141jnt2.jpg

Ottomans: 6 Votes
Australia: 4 Votes.
Abstain: 1 Vote.

The Treaty of Bandar-Abbas
between
The Caliphate
and
The Kingdom of Ormus
Agreed
1. Ormus agrees to become a vassal state.
2. Ormus will follow the Caliphate in times of war.
3. Ormus will provide oil to the Caliphate in return for strategic protection.
4. Ormus will provide local protection while guarding the mouth of the Persian Gulf.
5. Both nations will help each other in times of danger or disaster.
6. Ormus will accept Arabic as its official language.
7. Ormus will accept Islam as its official religion.
8. Ormus will accept Shariah law
9. Agreed border and expansion plan.


Caliph Nedim Ibn Mehmed and the King Axur of Ormus signing the agreement
http://oi54.tinypic.com/141jnt2.jpg

Also, we will follow our Arabic brothers and support the Ottomans in their land claim.

Lol more nations getting pushed around. xD

i vote Australia.

EDIT: the Emperor has noted that the nuclear program is on hold until further notice.

Never once has Denmark actually been attacked

Not for long, France Classic declares war on Denmark for violating our SOI.

Gustav made a speech today that stated that the Danes are heirs to Hitler because the Germans have abandoned him. He also praised UFNSCP for challenging NE. He then closed saying "put your trust in me and you will not be harmed by the Nuclear War that may soon happen"
a man in Iceland tried to rebel and break the country loose from the DFR, he was betrayed by a loyal Scandinavian, and was tied up and thrown into a freezing river.

Not for long, France Classic declares war on Denmark for violating our SOI.

how did I?

[QUOTE=CELTICEMPIRE;10071452]Gustav made a speech today that stated that the Danes are heirs to Hitler because the Germans have abandoned him.

Hitler's clone happily lives in France, and he thinks you people suck.

Hitler's clone is around? uh oh...

Praised . . . .

New England declares WAR upon Denmark for their blatant encouragings of the enemy and their sheer pleasure in planting an iron bootheel on the backs of their citizen's necks! Obviously they are enjoying the suffering of my citizens and the fact that New England was attacked out of the blue!

We will spread freedom and the word of Christ to Denmark, even if we have to blast it to ruins to do it!

We offer an alliance to France Classic.

-L

Denmark Abstains

Australia is at war with us, would you consider voting Ottoman to keep Australia from getting it?

As per previous agreements to Classic France we hereby declare war on Denmark.

We hereby cut off all trade with Zeletdude's nation and Classic France. However, we will not declare war at the present time, we will wait for the ADU to decide.

Believing that Australia needs all the support it can get, we abandon our traditional neutrality and for the first time vote on a territorial dispute:

We vote for Australia.

My nation has a name you know..

The Federation of Central Europe, is not scared of Mongolia's embargo as we were embargoeing you..

It is carthage's understanding that several clones of Hitler exist in france. We are dismayed that the war continues to widen, and the peaceful Haven of Europe is disrupted. We also note that popular opinion in our nation supports France, although the Government remains strictly neutral. This pattern continues to be broken by Keregulan Minister Arshe Tuune, who states that the nation should be 'joining the fight', and 'punishing the slavery of Denmark.' The PM once more requests he not be so hostile towards other countries.

DT
Resigned Carthaginian :(

the Mathalamus Empire chose not to declare war on Denmark, as we are fighting off both Mongolia and Japan.

We hereby cut off all trade with Zeletdude's nation and Classic France. However, we will not declare war at the present time, we will wait for the ADU to decide.

Tough titties, we declare war on you too, and join New England's alliance.

While we certainly don't declare war on Mongolia we support France.

I have been attacked for my political beliefs, in this World War it will be different, this time the Fascists will win.

Who's side am I on in this war?

We acknowledge the French declaration, and thank Zeletdude's nation (What's your nation called again) for being reasonable enough not to attack us.

@Celtic- Sorry I can't help you more, but we're pressed against a wall...

@Duke- On DarthCaesar's side, provided you are loyal to the ADU that is. All the ADU is on DC's side.

It is carthage's understanding that several clones of Hitler exist in france. We are dismayed that the war continues to widen, and the peaceful Haven of Europe is disrupted. We also note that popular opinion in our nation supports France, although the Government remains strictly neutral. This pattern continues to be broken by Keregulan Minister Arshe Tuune, who states that the nation should be 'joining the fight', and 'punishing the slavery of Denmark.' The PM once more requests he not be so hostile towards other countries.

DT
Resigned Carthaginian :(

There's only one free Hitler living in France, and he's a manger at a Dairy Queen and barred from running for any political office above a mayorship, the others are used by the military as mine clearing equipment.

DUKE! BE NEUTRAL!

I don't think you have any commitments either way, certainly not to the ADU, the AU's successor. Want to buy any XP's?

DT
Horrified Carthaginian :(

I think Duke will stick with his allies.

Praetoria.

Australia and Madagascar declared war on Mongolia and Japan respectively. Not sure how the ADU works but I'm pretty sure you have an MDP to be activating.

Trust me, you don't want to start defaulting on call to arms. :lol:

Which Allies? Duke left the AU, and hasn't joined the ADU. If I rememver correctly he only signed DP's with me and Eralatuk.

DT
Concerned Carthaginian :(

Praetoria.

Australia and Madagascar declared war on Mongolia and Japan respectively. Not sure how the ADU works but I'm pretty sure you have an MDP to be activating.

Trust me, you don't want to start defaulting on call to arms. :lol:

which reminds me. are you willing to accept a white peace yet?

@Duke- On DarthCaesar's side, provided you are loyal to the ADU that is. All the ADU is on DC's side.
Given that most of the members are still neutral I would disagree. Also Preatoria is the only pure Asian nation not in the group (as Carthage has land in Asia so isn't in ADU but is in Asia) so technically he is not bound by our laws. However we do have a defensive pact signed (we did before the AU incident, I am not sure whether you backed out on it due to that, I understand if you did) and I hope you honor it.

@mad man: I am disappointed in the decision of France to declare war on Denmark, however it is what it is and Great Japan will remain neutral in that conflict.

which reminds me. are you willing to accept a white peace yet?

In a word, no.

Needless to say, being in a constant state of war is good for the military-industrial complex. Jobs have been created. Entire new business are springing up in Central America, giving the people there new jobs. Schools and universities are shifting to teaching engineering and science, promoting the Caribbean Sun's research and development department. Unemployment has, for the most part, dropped to near nothing with the increase of the military budget and demand for new troops. The lower dregs of society, previously without jobs and turning to crime and the drug trade, are now be given proper discipline and training.

The Politburo are going to pass a variant of the GI bill and with the factories popping up like you wouldn't believe it, I actually expect a post-war boom once the factories shift from making military goods to consumer products. In short, this war with New England and Madagascar is pushing the Caribbean Sun to being a first world power like we rightfully deserve to be.

Meanwhile, the economic sector in Puerto Rico is confident given how our blockade and dominance in the Caribbean gives them confidence that an enemy blockade of the island won't work. It also gives us a chance to establish firm control over Cuban Central America.

so you refuse white peace because you want to improve your economy? how disappointing. i thought leaders are driven with public opinion, not economics.

so you refuse white peace because you want to improve your economy? how disappointing. i thought leaders are driven with public opinion, not economics.

Only lesser nations fall into the trap of separating public opinion and economics. Our declaration of war and subsequent blockade of New England enjoys enormous support from the people thanks in part of New England's corrupt government and nuclear threats. The failed peace talks shifted public support from New England to the Pirates, who have been recharacterized as liberators.

The people are happy. They have jobs. They have food. And they're not dying. And once we feel like we have the foundation for future economic growth, will go into peace and keep up the blockade. After all, we control who enters and leaves the Panama Canal from the Caribbean Sea side.

In a word, no.

Needless to say, being in a constant state of war is good for the military-industrial complex. Jobs have been created. Entire new business are springing up in Central America, giving the people there new jobs. Schools and universities are shifting to teaching engineering and science, promoting the Caribbean Sun's research and development department. Unemployment has, for the most part, dropped to near nothing with the increase of the military budget and demand for new troops. The lower dregs of society, previously without jobs and turning to crime and the drug trade, are now be given proper discipline and training.

The Politburo are going to pass a variant of the GI bill and with the factories popping up like you wouldn't believe it, I actually expect a post-war boom once the factories shift from making military goods to consumer products. In short, this war with New England and Madagascar is pushing the Caribbean Sun to being a first world power like we rightfully deserve to be.

Meanwhile, the economic sector in Puerto Rico is confident given how our blockade and dominance in the Caribbean gives them confidence that an enemy blockade of the island won't work.
That ironic, in Great Japan it is the exact opposite.

News in Japan:
Following a vote that happened yesterday it was concluded that Great Japan wants peace. 61% of legislature demands that the war ends within 2 years, so our merchants can continue to pass through the Med and Panama. The executor, who initially abstained, has decided to follow legislature demand and try to exit the war as soon as possible. The reasons were both economical and Political. Ont he economic side, Great Japan would loose many of her trading partners by loosing access to both the Med and Panama. On the political side, dissent is at an all time high in the more urban areas.

Reports of rebel sightings in Kyoto is troublesome, and with the Mathis fleet planning an invasion, it is quite troublesome. The people want to see peace, and legislature appears to want to follow the publics demands.

my people hate being in war. it has generated jobs, yes, but everyone knows that it is not sustainable. the only reason why i wasnt thrown out of office is because the Female wanting to replace me isn't finished with training.

cross post: Japan, agree to peace, and the Mathis fleet (which are just transports with an escort) will withdraw. to Mongolia.

Wars don't help with the economy any more that's a thing of the past.

It was your decision to enter the war Math, you should have thought about public opinion beforehand. If Carthage were to voluntarily enter a war like this we'd have a rebellion within a few days, which is one of the main reasons we don't. Public opinion has shifted recently, so we might last a week or two now, but it would definately cost the committee their careers.

DT
Crazed Carthaginian :crazyeye:

my people hate being in war. it has generated jobs, yes, but everyone knows that it is not sustainable. the only reason why i wasnt thrown out of office is because the Female wanting to replace me isn't finished with training.

cross post: Japan, agree to peace, and the Mathis fleet (which are just transports with an escort) will withdraw. to Mongolia.
I said we want peace 2 turns from now. Don't get the wrong idea.

Wars don't help with the economy any more that's a thing of the past.
So both my economics teacher and politics teacher were wrong? And the American governments permanent war economy hurts more then helps it?

I have decided that nuking USFCNP will get me nowhere. Obviously DC is crazy enough that a nuclear bomb up his britches won't get him to back down.

Japan, surrender now or I will destroy one of your provinces every turn. You have been warned.

-L

Just want to add something- I'm not backing down until the Pacific is united under my banner.

Wars don't help with the economy any more that's a thing of the past.

No it isn't.

Wars help the economy by increasing the demand for military goods. Businesses build more factories to make more guns, planes, etc.

Then the troops return and we begin a product of infrastructure development, temporary creating a massive number of jobs and in the process, creating permanent jobs as businesses begin seeing the benefits of franchising. The lowered corporate tax brings in corporations who'll end up funding Cuba's economic sector out of their own pockets.

That includes German capitalists. After all, once the roads are built and urban sprawl takes effect in Central America, the demand for automobiles will increase as people move away from the cities into suburbs. The demand for rubber, glass, steel, you name will go up.

Cuba's war will indirectly help the South Americans economies as the demand for THEIR products increase in Cuba.

Japan, surrender now or I will destroy one of your provinces every turn. You have been warned.
What is required for peace? I didn't declare war on you so those that mean you declare war on me?

Just want to add something- I'm not backing down until the Pacific is united under my banner.
Can I confirm that Japan is not part of the Pacific?

I have decided that nuking USFCNP will get me nowhere. Obviously DC is crazy enough that a nuclear bomb up his britches won't get him to back down.

Japan, surrender now or I will destroy one of your provinces every turn. You have been warned.

-L

you may knwo that i'm planning to invade japan in a big way. so please try not to nuke any conquered provinces by accident. (if TK doesn't automically adjust where it hits that is)

you may knwo that i'm planning to invade japan in a big way. so please try not to nuke any conquered provinces by accident. (if TK doesn't automically adjust where it hits that is)

Math

I didn't intend to launch an invasion.

But if you land your troops in Japan, I won't just "land troops" in Madagascar.

everyone in the group Conference for War Strategy (IOT VI). I strongly ask that you check the group page. I don't want to be nuked.

Math

I didn't intend to launch an invasion.

But if you land your troops in Japan, I won't just "land troops" in Madagascar.

then what am i supposed to do? beat up Mongolia? or turtle up in that island?

then what am i supposed to do? beat up Mongolia? or turtle up in that island?

Surrender the two western provinces in Madagascar and I'll pull out of the war.

New England will not fire unless provoked, but if the Carribean Sun fires nuclear weapons or takes territory from the Mathalis then I will respond . . . harshly.

-L

Breaking News

Siberia has recently started a nuclear program and will be building nuclear missiles soon. We will only be using these nukes for self defense( If you attack us, we can deliver nukes :) )

New England will not fire unless provoked, but if the Carribean Sun fires nuclear weapons or takes territory from the Mathalis then I will respond . . . harshly.

-L

Ok.

We'll keep up the perpetual war with Madagascar then.

We don't need to attack to win. :)

On another note, can someone loan us one LP this turn?

In times of war, thoughtful leaders work together to build a better future. Let the middle east be a shinging light of hope for the rest of the world. Perhaps the more warlike nations might consider accepting a civilized religion like Islam into your homes. As per our agreement with the Caliphate, Ormus will claim its remaining 5 starting provinces.

We can only develop a nuclear program while at war - correct? It takes 10LPs to build. LPs can't be banked. We have 5 LPS for peace-time and 10 LPS during wartime, right?

We can only develop a nuclear program while at war - correct? It takes 10LPs to build. LPs can't be banked. We have 5 LPS for peace-time and 10 LPS during wartime, right?

It takes 10 LPs to get the program STARTED. Each turn, there's a 1% chance of you completing the program once you got 10 LPs donated. Each point after 10 adds 1%.

On another note, if New England uses nuclear weapons this turn, we will use five nuclear weapons against them next turn.

Praetoria accepts that we have a defensive pact with Japan, and accepts that it has been invoked. We inform Japan that after this conflict is concluded, the Pact will be ended.

Soo who am I fighting, exactly?

Praetoria accepts that we have a defensive pact with Japan, and accepts that it has been invoked. We inform Japan that after this conflict is concluded, the Pact will be ended.

Soo who am I fighting, exactly?

Madagascar.

It takes 10 LPs to get the program STARTED.

So I can only start a nuclear program when I am at war?

So I can only start a nuclear program when I am at war?

No. LPs used for the nuclear program add up. You could just spend three every turn for four turns and have twelve put into your nuclear program.

Caribbean sun, your peace offer is insulting. we will not, i repeat not give any part of mainland madagascar to anyone. ever.

we will settle for anything short of vassalization/dismemberment of the island.

due to the fact that i am fighting three nations, all invasion plans outside of Madagascar proper is canceled.

Madagascar.

And Australia.

After negotiations with New England, Great Japan wishes to offer peace to all 3 people she is at war with. It will be a white peace.

Sorry if this inconviences any of my allies.

Great Japan doesn't plan to be Nuked again, the destruction at Nagasaki and Hiroshima was bad enough. Until the threat of being Nuked by New England is passed, I will not be rejoining the war.

@Ilduce- You have to help me against Australia and Madagascar as per the terms of our agreement. If you refuse, I'll beg New England for peace and then declare war on you.

New England on the other hand, you are not required to fight.

@Ilduce- You have to help me against Australia and Madagascar as per the terms of our agreement. If you refuse, I'll beg New England for peace and then declare war on you.

New England on the other hand, you are not required to fight.

And on this matter, I'm serious. I won't be betrayed, and I'm only fighting New England to protect an ally. You on the other hand... well, fighting you would be easy.

You'd better not break your word. You are with us or you are against us. That you are our ally won't save you, it will be the venue of your destruction if you do not keep your honor.

Your one to talk about honor, question the honor of Japan one more time and I will declare war on you.

My decision is honorable to the people of Japan. On the brink of another rebellion Japan would rather have its army stationed at home. Also being nuked would push the people over the top. This is not an act of betray, but an act of self preservation and a way to honor Japans new peaceful stance on world politics.

May I ask when I said that fighting alongside you was garenteed?

Your one to talk about honor, question the honor of Japan one more time and I will declare war on you.

My decision is honorable to the people of Japan. On the brink of another rebellion Japan would rather have its army stationed at home. Also being nuked would push the people over the top. This is not an act of betray, but an act of self preservation and a way to honor Japans new peaceful stance on world politics.

You had a defense pact with me. While you are within your rights to seek peace with Lighthearter, Mathalamus and Omega124 attacked ME. YOU owe it to me to help me.

Also, your threat is irrelevant, if you do not follow your word, you die. Period.

On that regard, I offer peace to Lighthearter. I'm sorry DarthCaesar, but you did start that war. And you know how desperate my situation is.

My terms for peace to Lighthearter are:

1. You cancel any attack orders given against me this turn.

2. I will do the same for you.

3. I will not intervene in North America or your war with DC.

4. You will not intervene in Asia.

@Mathalamus- I only attacked you because you attacked my ally (Japan.) I offer you white peace, since my ally was not honorable enough to be worthy of defending.

@Australia- Since I offered peace to LH, will you make peace with me as well?

@French Classic- We ask for peace as well, in the light of recent events.

Emperor Castro laughed, "Screw this! I'm sending a peace offer to New England."

After negotiations with New England, Great Japan wishes to offer peace to all 3 people she is at war with. It will be a white peace.

Sorry if this inconviences any of my allies.

Great Japan doesn't plan to be Nuked again, the destruction at Nagasaki and Hiroshima was bad enough. Until the threat of being Nuked by New England is passed, I will not be rejoining the war.

japan, you hold one territory in Madagascar. sorry, but i will want that back. and, i believe it is honorable for you to quit when faced with complete destruction. i will wait for your reply before dealing with insania. i mean, Mongolia.

Hey, since its no longer politically profitable for me to keep up a war with a lesser nation, I'm offer a white peace to Madagascar.

Hey, since its no longer politically profitable for me to keep up a war with a lesser nation, I'm offer a white peace to Madagascar.

done. and by the way, there will be no diplomatic hit from this war. but i really should check defensive pacts next time.

japan, you hold one territory in Madagascar. sorry, but i will want that back. and, i believe it is honorable for you to quit when faced with complete destruction. i will wait for your reply before dealing with insania. i mean, Mongolia.
Its a white peace or nothing, many Japanese died taking that beach, and I am not prepared to give it up. Its a white peace or nothing.

i will wait for your reply before dealing with insania. i mean, Mongolia.

This was Japan's fault, not mine. Speaking of which:

I DECLARE WAR ON JAPAN.

I'm still keeping my same ideological stances as before, but Japan is dishonorable to Asia, they care only about themselves. They should prepare to die!

Excellent! Math, accept the white peace. White Peace = Status Quo Ante Bellum. Or, for the non-Latin speakers here, The way things were before the war.

I decline the Carribean peace offer, but accept Mongolia's.

-L

Its a white peace or nothing, many Japanese died taking that beach, and I am not prepared to give it up. Its a white peace or nothing.

say, Mongolia just declared war on you. ill say it again. return that slice of island you conquered and ill let you off. I'll even help you combat Mongolia.

LH: japan spifically stated he wanted to keep that peice if Madagascar he conquered. i, uh, want it back.

Excellent! Math, accept the white peace. White Peace = Status Quo Ante Bellum. Or, for the non-Latin speakers here, The way things were before the war.

I decline the Carribean peace offer, but accept Mongolia's.

-L

Given that A.) I'm not bothering attacking you and B.) I'm not attacking you, I can't possibly see the point in continuing this war with you.

@Japan

Did you really think you was going to keep what you took?

Fine you get it back.

Ninja'd

This was Japan's fault, not mine. Speaking of which:

I DECLARE WAR ON JAPAN.

I'm still keeping my same ideological stances as before, but Japan is dishonorable to Asia, they care only about themselves. They should prepare to die!

http://images2.memegenerator.net/Minecraft-Guy/ImageMacro/3728012/MediumThumbnail.jpg?instanceText=What-is-this-I-dont-even

Japan (and everyone else in the Allies that DoWed me), I offer you all White Peaces. The one target I have just betrayed you.

@Lighthearter- Thank you. We will allow you to do what you like with Darth Caesar, assuming you allow us to kill Japan.

@Mathalamus- Ilduce is just being wishy-washy like you. If you help him, I'll stay at war with you.

@Omega124- No, he betrayed me...

And Australia is a useless piece of rubble, I'm not afraid to nuke it. Accept peace or suffer the consequences.

Fine you get it back.

jolly good. peace it is.

@ mongolia: your peace offer is rejected, since you declared war on your ally, and that, my friend, is the highest level of dishonor.

President Roland Crowley stated that the past is doomed to repeat itself, "Once more, the Asians have turned on eachother, but this time, Japan is the victim."

Secretary of State Alberto Juarez is reported to have mused, "...y pensé los norteños eran mal..." (And I thought the North Americans were bad...)

Ilduce, a white peace is everything goes back to where we were before the war. If it's a white peace, no one gains any territory.

Sonereal, I've had a moment of sheer clarity. The only reason you DOW'd me was to increase your production capacity of nuclear bombs. You've been playing the planet from the beginning of this crisis. You - inadvertently, perhaps, though I believe otherwise - orchestrated this conflict to increase your own power and influence. I'm not letting you off so easily.

-L

@ mongolia: your peace offer is rejected, since you declared war on your ally, and that, my friend, is the highest level of dishonor.

He betrayed us first, and therefore he is doomed to suffer the consequences. He shall not sit on our glorious China as traitors.

@T-Fox- I'm insulted. Ilduce's objection to the war was not out of conscience, but out of cowardance. And he shall suffer for it.

He betrayed us first, and therefore he is doomed to suffer the consequences. He shall not sit on our glorious China as traitors.

@T-Fox- I'm insulted. Ilduce's objection to the war was not out of conscience, but out of cowardance. And he shall suffer for it.

so he chose to make a sane choice and get out fo the war rather than lose half of japan to nuclear weapons. i believe he made the right choice. you, however, betrayed japan by declaring war without even trying to understand.

Why should I understand? He betrayed me. And what's worse, HE was the one who came up with the Defense Pact terms. No mercy, he's dying, slowly and painfully. If you help him, so will you.

Am I going insane ALA LH? Maybe. But its justified. I'm finally starting to understand how you feel LH.

@Darth Caesar- I hope you don't take this too harshly, but I wasn't obligated by the terms of my alliance with you to help you. And I really have a choice to make, change of plans that hurts you but isn't treachery, or letting a traitor live. I hope you understand my decision.

The nuclear bomb production was important. You were building them and I needed a deterrent. By declaring war and shifting my LPs to nuclear weapons, I maintained a higher level of nuclear weapon than you did and by doing so, have insured that a nuclear war won't break out between the UFNSCP and New England, ruining half of North America.

Through my actions, its guaranteed a nuclear war won't break out unless New England commits suicide.

If the UFNSCP had nukes and you didn't, I would've sided with you.

And if both sides had or didn't have them, I would've stayed out.

May Australia remind Mongolia what happened the last two times they tried to invade Japan?

Typhoons. In the same exact place. In a place that doesn't usally get typhoons. One of the typhoons way out of typhoon season.

Why do you suddenly have such a love for Japan? Because they betrayed us?

BTW, you originally DOWed me because I DOWed Lighthearter, but I've made amends with them, so why do you insist on fighting me?

What are your terms of noninvolvement? If you'd like a piece of Japan, I'd be willing to let you have it (And it would be the perfect insult to Ilduce as well.)

Why do you suddenly have such a love for Japan? Because they betrayed us?

BTW, you originally DOWed me because I DOWed Lighthearter, but I've made amends with them, so why do you insist on fighting me?

What are your terms of noninvolvement? If you'd like a piece of Japan, I'd be willing to let you have it (And it would be the perfect insult to Ilduce as well.)

my terms would be too ridiculous to even consider.

I was asking Omega124. But I can squash your nation like a bug...

I declared war, and forced Madagascar on the defensive, Australia also didn't attack you last turn, I did my job. Your betrayed me simply because I decided I would rather protect my people from nuclear weapons, to destroy an enemy nation. Is that really dishonorable?

The primary goal of the Executor of Great Japan is to protect her people from harm, would be nuked protect them?

Typhoons. In the same exact place. In a place that doesn't usally get typhoons. One of the typhoons way out of typhoon season.
Exactly, its the reason why Shintoaism is still the state religion of Japan. Only the gods could be responsible for such a miracle.

I declared war, and forced Madagascar on the defensive, Australia also didn't attack you last turn, I did my job. Your betrayed me simply because I decided I would rather protect my people from nuclear weapons, to destroy an enemy nation. Is that really dishonorable?

The primary goal of the Executor of Great Japan is to protect her people from harm, would be nuked protect them?

You offered peace to Madagascar and Australia, not even considering if they would make peace with me. That's dishonorable.

And it will cost you your life.

And as for trying to save yourself from nukes, it failed. I'm nuking you ASAP, and wiping Japan off the map.

All Brasilian LPs go to Math.

Why do you suddenly have such a love for Japan? Because they betrayed us?

BTW, you originally DOWed me because I DOWed Lighthearter, but I've made amends with them, so why do you insist on fighting me?

The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Somewhat. Kind of. :mischief:

Also, we are tired of your racist, fascist rule. Sure, Japan was more vocal in their ant-cacausian comments, but they have (some) politcal freedom, unlike you. Also, you are the ringleader in this gang, not Japan, and we want to deliver the decapitation strike first.

Exactly, its the reason why Shintoaism is still the state religion of Japan. Only the gods could be responsible for such a miracle.


No, sorry. the orgional Kamikazie is attrubutied to Zen, not Shintoism. Get your Japanese religions right!

The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Somewhat. Kind of. :mischief:

Also, we are tired of your racist, fascist rule. Sure, Japan was more vocal in their ant-cacausian comments, but they have (some) politcal freedom, unlike you. Also, you are the ringleader in this gang, not Japan, and we want to deliver the decapitation strike first.

We have political freedom. Our people elect the Khans, who then elect the Great Khan. Its not really a lack of freedom at all.

Of course, policies were also being changed internally, to allow more freedom, but then these crappy wars started.

Also, Japan is the leader of the ADU, we are not (Though we are still in it as long as Japan shall allow it, of course according to ADU law we are allowed to fight each other.)

Japans racist comments were just propoganda set out by Executor Ilduce. The last 2 executors have actually tried to reduce to racism and slavery that plauges Japan. (This is actually the 4th time I have mentioned this)

We have political freedom. Our people elect the Khans, who then elect the Great Khan. Its not really a lack of freedom at all.

Who then have supreme power, with no checks and balances at all. That's like electing an Absulote Monarch. Give us a break.

Also, Japan is the leader of the ADU, we are not (Though we are still in it as long as Japan shall allow it, of course according to ADU law we are allowed to fight each other.)

While he is the de jure leader, you are the de facto leader.

Who then have supreme power, with no checks and balances at all. That's like electing an Absulote Monarch. Give us a break.

Well, the Khans have power, but yeah, pretty much, so? In Japan, only the rich can vote, in Mongolia, all Asian men can vote.

While he is the de jure leader, you are the de facto leader.

Perhaps it was once, but now that we're at war, I see Asia being split into two factions, and Ilduce will most certainly not allow me any kind of role in the ADU.

All internal laws are passed by the provincial governments which are elected my the middle class. No rigged elections, just a simple vote.

Also your elected for life, not every 6 years.

Can we stop the arguing over this crap?

Also, the Great Khans are NOT elected for life. Elections are every 10 years, whenever the Great Khan dies, or whenever the Khans vote for reelection.

The Khan rules all. Each state elects one tribe, who elects the Khan, but its basically a show, and the guy who the government wants to win is going to win.
Thats not what your OP says.

Thats not what your OP says.

Well, duh, but that's not our official stance. That's what happens and everyone knows it but we won't admit to it.

That said, the government has changed somewhat over the past few years, and elections have become more fair.

Can we stop the arguing over this crap?

Also, the Great Khans are NOT elected for life. Elections are every 10 years, whenever the Great Khan dies, or whenever the Khans vote for reelection.

No offense, but wasn't the previous Great Khan's son put into power after his father died just to curry political favor?

No offense, but wasn't the previous Great Khan's son put into power after his father died just to curry political favor?

That is a conspiracy theory, and totally unproven.

Well, duh, but that's not our official stance. That's what happens and everyone knows it but we won't admit to it.

That said, the government has changed somewhat over the past few years, and elections have become more fair.
I'm sick and tired of this. You almost as bad as mathalamus. While he changes his mind in situations, you change your government system when it benefits you.

Edit: I am creating the alliance against Mongolia. We will be known as the Alliance of Honor. Please post if you want to join.

That is a conspiracy theory, and totally unproven.

Gotcha. ;)

Offers over!

I'm sick and tired of this. You almost as bad as mathalamus. While he changes his mind in situations, you change your government system when it benefits you.

I haven't changed it at all...

Edit: I am creating the alliance against Mongolia. We will be known as the Alliance of Honor. Please post if you want to join.

I'm creating an alliance against Japan, which will also be called the Alliance of Honor. Please post if you want to join.

Oh fine Sonereal I accept your peace.

-L

Oh fine Sonereal I accept your peace.

-L

Wonderful!

If I pay double, can I pay after I'm done with my war?

Wonderful!

On another note

Cuba will begin selling nuclear weapons.

Wait, what you ask? Sell nukes? That's insane!

But for all you non-nuclear nations out there, a nuke can be a quick fix!

Cost:

Three easy payments of 2 LP!

Think about that people! There's going to be a waiting list people! If you want to make yourself a VIP (and therefore get put above non VIPs for the waiting list), all you have to do is pay an extra LP per turn.

How can any sane person pass up this idea?

I'll take 20. Not really that many, but I'm buying a few. 3 to be exact.

-L

rather then 1 simple payment of 5 LP?

Sonereal, should you sell any nukes to Domination3000 I will declare war.

I'll take 20. Not really that many, but I'm buying a few. 3 to be exact.

-L

Enjoy them. Just don't use them on us:)

Use them on Japan!:mischief:

@Ilduce- I think he's going to war with you anyway.

If I pay double, can I pay after I'm done with my war?


I'll take 20. Not really that many, but I'm buying a few. 3 to be exact.

-L

rather then 1 simple payment of 5 LP?

Sonereal, should you sell any nukes to Domination3000 I will declare war.

Enjoy them. Just don't use them on us:)

Use them on Japan!:mischief:

@Ilduce- I think he's going to war with you anyway.

People took that offer far more seriously than I thought they would.

I'm taking it down before you guys go insane.

good.
@Ilduce- I think he's going to war with you anyway.
he is actually honorable, unlike you

he is actually honorable, unlike you

How am I dishonorable? I've never betrayed anyone!

Care to beg for mercy before I turn your country into radioactive nuclear glop?

your country will be destroyed before then.

:lol:

Aaaah.. Dommination, why?? I almost got out of having to war with anyone. The Imperator is very upset.. Please stop this foolishness so I don't have to declare on you too..

So one last time before I officially declare, who is Praetoria fighting??

DT, if I (edit: can) convince everyone to just peace out, I will definitely take your LP for XP trade.

Aaaah.. Dommination, why?? I almost got out of having to war with anyone. The Imperator is very upset.. Please stop this foolishness so I don't have to declare on you too..

So one last time before I officially declare, who is Praetoria fighting??

DT, if I can't convince everyone to just peace out, I will definitely take your LP for XP trade.

Japan refused to honor their DP and tried to make peace. That's why.

You are fighting Japan and Australia. That's it:mischief:

if mongolia fires one nuke at japan, and i happen to have one, ill fire... but only after askign permission. sorry, im not taking chances.

Speaking of Australia, they're the reason the UFN collapsed. Because of their damnable attempts at unlawful regime change.

Not to worry. We'll hit them with much more than one nuke.

Have fun.

Also, we deny you permission to nuke us :mischief:

I honored it, I took land off your enemy's brought in 3 more members for our side, however Japan's honor with its people takes first priority. I am not going to be nuked in return for protecting a country that is strong enough to protect itself.

:lol: to your definition of "Honor."

If you have honor, call off your allies, and I'll call mine off, meet me in battle one on one for rulership of East Asia.

If you have no honor, then don't do this, and I'll just nuke the crap out of you.

Thats the problem, if I did you would just cheat. You would nuke a country that has no nukes.

does naval combat matter? can i take the Mathis and bombard Mongolian coastal cities?

I honored it, I took land off your enemy's brought in 3 more members for our side, however Japan's honor with its people takes first priority. I am not going to be nuked in return for protecting a country that is strong enough to protect itself.

Japan, you screwed us over in New England. You backed down despite having TWO ALLIES WITH NUCLEAR WEAPONS. Not only that, but you backed out of Madagascar and Australia. Madagascar I can understand but backing out of Australia, screwing over your ally? What the hell?

Because you backed out, the coalition collapsed and you threw your entire region into chaos and now many Japanese are going to die ANYWAY.

Thats the problem, if I did you would just cheat. You would nuke a country that has no nukes.

I would promise not to use nukes. And besides, I have no nukes either (ATM.)

But you are too cowardly aren't you? Yes, that's a CHALLENGE!:)

Even if Japan wanted us to be called-off, we wouldn't. Nemo me impune lacessit!

Even if Japan wanted us to be called-off, we wouldn't. We won't stop until we win.

Well, Sonereal could take care of you, he just wouldn't attack Japan, and if you continued to attack me, Australia would be occupied.

Well, Sonereal could take care of you, he just wouldn't attack Japan, and if you continued to attack me, Australia would be occupied.

lolwut?

Japan, you screwed us over in New England. You backed down despite having TWO ALLIES WITH NUCLEAR WEAPONS. Not only that, but you backed out of Madagascar and Australia. Madagascar I can understand but backing out of Australia, screwing over your ally? What the hell?

Because you backed out, the coalition collapsed and you threw your entire region into chaos and now many Japanese are going to die ANYWAY.
What was I suppose to do. Let someone who I wanted peace with to nuke all my territories. You forget there is an armegadon counter in game, after a certain number of nukes are fired terrible things happen. I want to prevent a nuclear war. New England accepted peace with you, Mongolia was the aggressor in his war (Australia declared war on him to protect New England). I honored my defensive pact, and wanted a white peace.

What was I suppose to do. Let someone who I wanted peace with to nuke all my territories. You forget there is an armegadon counter in game, after a certain number of nukes are fired terrible things happen. I want to prevent a nuclear war. New England accepted peace with you, Mongolia was the aggressor in his war (Australia declared war on him to protect New England).

1. New England wasn't going to do that. It was a bluff.

2. By pulling out, you caused several of your allies to back out of the New England War, leaving a non-nuclear power who was winning to fight alone against a nuclear power who's losing. Both sides DON'T want white peace. That means nuclear weapons are going to get dropped regardless.

3. Australia did it because the Australians have no sense of honor. They're nothing but cowards looking for Mongolia to be distracted.

4. New England accepted peace BECAUSE THEY KNEW THEY COULDN'T WIN AT THAT POINT. They mass production nuclear weapons? They were fighting a several front war against several enemies. At most, they can produce 1 nuke per turn and he figured out that even at the rate, he would LOSE a nuclear war against us. Siberia and I had nuclear weapons and since we were both safe from attack, we would've been producing them at a rate of FOUR per turn. We would've had SEVEN OR EIGHT next turn compared New England's one or two.

In a turn after that, the nuclear war would've been impossible because WE WOULD'VE HAD ENOUGH NUCLEAR WARHEADS TO WIPE NEW ENGLAND OFF THE MAP.

A white peace would've been forced on the parties in that fashion.

No, Japan backed out, forsaken TWO allies, all in the name of "honor" despite getting herself into power blocs and alliances that would've lead to these conflicts. I honored the war against Madagascar and didn't make peace until AFTER you signed peace. If you had shown the same care to Mongolia against Australia and Madagascar instead of making a global white peace, the ADU wouldn't be breaking down into a civil war.

..... Can we all just sit in a circle, hold hands, and sing campfire songs? No? Well I Declare War on Mongolia. I warn Japan, this is a treaty obligation. I will fight until Mongolia offers a cease fire or accepts terms. No longer.

To the Grand Kahn: Use a nuke on me and this war will not end until one of our nations ceases to exist.

WTF HAPPENED! I was gone for like 3 hours and asia's at each others throats.
Excellent.

1. New England wasn't going to do that. It was a bluff.
From past experience I doubt it. And besides why risk it?

2. By pulling out, you caused several of your allies to back out of the New England War, leaving a non-nuclear power who was winning to fight alone against a nuclear power who's losing. Both sides DON'T want white peace. That means nuclear weapons are going to get dropped regardless.
however it is no longer a world war. Most people are now in peace. Also if he nuked, people would probably retaliate. Besides most of the people at war with LH would rather focus on Australia/Madagascar, so really I was protecting his allies, not him.

3. Australia did it because the Australians have no sense of honor. They're nothing but cowards looking for Mongolia to be distracted.
Agree, but Mongolia has the same amount of honor.

4. New England accepted peace BECAUSE THEY KNEW THEY COULDN'T WIN AT THAT POINT. They mass production nuclear weapons? They were fighting a several front war against several enemies. At most, they can produce 1 nuke per turn and he figured out that even at the rate, he would LOSE a nuclear war against us. Siberia and I had nuclear weapons and since we were both safe from attack, we would've been producing them at a rate of FOUR per turn. We would've had SEVEN OR EIGHT next turn compared New England's one or two.
I am fully aware of that, but I don't want a nuclear war.

A white peace would've been forced on the parties in that fashion.
So in other words the white peace just game 2 turns early. I did us all a favor.

No, Japan backed out, forsaken TWO allies, all in the name of "honor" despite getting herself into power blocs and alliances that would've lead to these conflicts. I honored the war against Madagascar and didn't make peace until AFTER you signed peace. If you had shown the same care to Mongolia against Australia and Madagascar instead of making a global white peace, the ADU wouldn't be breaking down into a civil war.
Do I regret my decision? Yes, but I don't think I could back out of it which is why I am not offering to change my mind. I am not Math, I stick to my decisions.

WTF HAPPENED! I was gone for like 3 hours and asia's at each others throats.
Excellent.

Japan backed out of a lot of wars, screwing over his allies. Mongolia calls him out on this and declares war. Duke declares war on Mongolia due in part of a coin flip. Australia and Madagascar keep acting like they're relevant.

3. Australia did it because the Australians have no sense of honor. They're nothing but cowards looking for Mongolia to be distracted.

Exucse me, Cuba?

No sense of Honor at all? So, helping a nation (New England) from two random, unwarrented invasions is honorless? Sure, New England has some human rights issues, but the attack had no justification besides "RAWR! ME WANT LAND! ME WANT LAND TO!" If anything, it was you who doesn't. You, in the UFN, pledged support to New England, and tried to rally the UFN to help them, but then you backstabbed them. Way to go, hero,

Also, Waiting for Mongolia to be distracted? Horribly wrong. I gave an ultimatium to Mongolia, when he was still considering to DoW New England. that he would face my wrath if he went on with it anyways. Needless to say, he did, and backing up my word, and therefore my honor, I followed the course.

Given this new information that I was unaware of, I have decided I no longer regret my decesion to pull out of the war on Australia. And had I realized this before hand I would have remained neutral and not backed Mongolia, who was fighting a war of aggression. I hereby apologize for the pointless war I fought with Mathalamus and Australia last year and take full responsibility of it.

Also may I remind everyone that Sonereal declared war on lighthearter just to mass produce nukes.

no no no.

the Mathalamus Empire takes responsibility for the war. we did declare war on japan, remember?

also, yes we are aware that Cuba is basically abusing war for their own end. we cant do anything about it.

the Mathalamus Empire takes responsibility for the war. we did declare war on japan, remember?
But that was to defend an ally, an ally who needed defending.

From past experience I doubt it. And besides why risk it?

Because you and I know that New England isn't suicidal because they haven't used their nukes yet!

however it is no longer a world war. Most people are now in peace. Also if he nuked, people would probably retaliate. Besides most of the people at war with LH would rather focus on Australia/Madagascar, so really I was protecting his allies, not him.

What do you mean its not a world war? All you did was cause the main theatre of the war to shift to Japan.

Agree, but Mongolia has the same amount of honor.

Wait, what? He hasn't bandwagoned. Mongolia and I declared war on New England because he threatened to use nukes against the UFNSCP. He honorably protected his ally.


I am fully aware of that, but I don't want a nuclear war.

The UFNSCP is going to burn unless they New England accepts a white peace from them.

So in other words the white peace just game 2 turns early. I did us all a favor.

No, a white peace that would've been forced if everyone stayed committed to the war. If you had stayed in the war, everyone else would've stayed in. Instead, you pulled out, leaving Mongolia to deal with two hostiles in theater, meaning they had to pull out.


Do I regret my decision? Yes, but I don't think I could back out of it which is why I am not offering to change my mind. I am not Math, I stick to my decisions.

True.

Exucse me, Cuba?

You are excused. Juanito would wave you out but he was afraid your ambassador would flinch at sudden movement.

No sense of Honor at all? So, helping a nation (New England) from two random, unwarrented invasions is honorless? Sure, New England has some human rights issues, but the attack had no justification besides "RAWR! ME WANT LAND! ME WANT LAND TO!" If anything, it was you who doesn't. You, in the UFN, pledged support to New England, and tried to rally the UFN to help them, but then you backstabbed them. Way to go, hero,


You weren't there in the negotiations. If you were, you would know New England didn't want white peace. I stated, in thread, that I was trying to maintain the balance of power in the region. The second New England decided that peace wasn't worth their time and stormed out, they force MY HAND.

And you could've helped them sooner. You did nothing while the UFNSCP stormed across New York and New Jersey. Don't pretend this is about Mongolian racism or Mongolian "being aggressors". This was simply about you finding a way to steal some land in China.

Also, Waiting for Mongolia to be distracted? Horribly wrong. I gave an ultimatium to Mongolia, when he was still considering to DoW New England. that he would face my wrath if he went on with it anyways. Needless to say, he did, and backing up my word, and therefore my honor, I followed the course.


You made a word you knew he would be forced to go against. Stop acting like New England was an innocent party. Let's face it, you gave Mongolia the illusion of choice when in reality, you basically said "Let your ally be nuked by a Theocracy who started off by saying he didn't wanted far more than the proposed reparations" or "I'm going to declare war on you."

That's dirty. And you didn't do anything to protect New England when the UFNSCP invaded. Just admit that this is a simple case of conquest under the guise of protecting an ally.

Yeh of course Cuba is doing that.

Also may I remind everyone that Sonereal declared war on lighthearter just to mass produce nukes.

....to protect YOUR ALLIES IN THE REGION. If it wasn't for me mass producing nukes, your allies would've had no nuclear deterrent in the region.

But that was to defend an ally, an ally who needed defending.

true... and you are forgiven for making a mistake and killing like 25 soldiers when landing on that beach (most of my military was on the Mathis invasion Fleet)

Because you and I know that New England isn't suicidal because they haven't used their nukes yet!
If New England wasn't suicidal then they would have asked for peace by now. The reason why they haven't used nukes is because none of the enemies they have faced would surrender from a nuke.

What do you mean its not a world war? All you did was cause the main theatre of the war to shift to Japan.
Mongolia actually. Unless your declaring war on me.

No, a white peace that would've been forced if everyone stayed committed to the war. If you had stayed in the war, everyone else would've stayed in. Instead, you pulled out, leaving Mongolia to deal with two hostiles in theater, meaning they had to pull out.
They still had 3 allies in said theater.

And you could've helped them sooner. You did nothing while the UFNSCP stormed across New York and New Jersey. Don't pretend this is about Mongolian racism or Mongolian "being aggressors". This was simply about you finding a way to steal some land in China.
Actually he isn't taking any land, at least that's what he said in diplomacy with me.

Also if you want to talk about honor.
If LH nukes DarthCaesar, I'm fightin'. Are you on my side?
no
Are you against me?
I warned Domination in 3 separate PM strings that I would not support him in a war against New England. I changed my mind simply because I went on vacation and saw 21 new pages in this thread. Rather then reading them all, I looked at the last 2 pages, one of those posts by you said that Australia had declared war on Mongolia. I rushed in to defend an ally who didn't need defending as they were the aggressor. I stand by my decision to make peace.

....to protect YOUR ALLIES IN THE REGION. If it wasn't for me mass producing nukes, your allies would've had no nuclear deterrent in the region.
I have no allies in America. The only one was Caribbean. But you probably pulled out of that one. (speaking of which, are we at war?)

true... and you are forgiven for making a mistake and killing like 25 soldiers when landing on that beach (most of my military was on the Mathis invasion Fleet)
And you will be compensated with ¥1,000,000 for each death on your side.

No, we're not at war.

And New England flat out changed its mind since negotiations. He opened the up the negotiations with the Gettysburg Treaty by saying he wanted several UFNSCP provinces ceded to him, reparations, and the right to UFNSCP airspace for three years. Of course, he hasn't posted in thread about want for a white peace AFAIK.

And you will be compensated with ¥1,000,000 for each death on your side.

ill take it. and if Mongolia nukes you, ill rebuild that area for free. assuming it isn't an impassable wasteland.

You weren't there in the negotiations. If you were, you would know New England didn't want white peace. I stated, in thread, that I was trying to maintain the balance of power in the region. The second New England decided that peace wasn't worth their time and stormed out, they force MY HAND.

I read the treaties that were posted. I carefully thought the two sides out, and I found New England was unfairly being ganged up upon. I knew New England wanted concessions from the screw-remembering-the-name, but I think it is justified to what they did to NE. If you wanted Balance of Power, you'd also go with NE, as SRTN and Canada wanted land from NE. So one country would have been weakened for the gain of other two. Hardly in the name of BoP. Also, if peace talks were not going his way, while he theoretically could still win, I don't blame him walking out.

And you could've helped them sooner. You did nothing while the UFNSCP stormed across New York and New Jersey. Don't pretend this is about Mongolian racism or Mongolian "being aggressors". This was simply about you finding a way to steal some land in China.

I personally found the war "Some ****ed conflict in the Balkans North America" until Mongolia started thinking of dogpiling on. Mongolia, who repeatedly stated he wanted me wiped off the map many times, could have had a chance to increase his sphere of influence. This effected me immensely.

Also, your statement in China is so laughingly stupid, I almost died laughing. If you actually read the peace treaty, half of it was forming a neutral Chinese Republic, outside any of our spheres. I have no land ambitions at all, just wanting the insane Mongolians stopped.

You made a word you knew he would be forced to go against. Stop acting like New England was an innocent party. Let's face it, you gave Mongolia the illusion of choice when in reality, you basically said "Let your ally be nuked by a Theocracy who started off by saying he didn't wanted far more than the proposed reparations" or "I'm going to declare war on you."

I'm not pretending that he was, because he is. SRTN went, "RAWR! ME WANT LAND", while Canada went, "RAWR! ME WANT LAND TWO!" Oh yes, New England is such a threat to humanity. :rolleyes:

Also, your terms was not fair to him, as anyone could see. LH still has a chance in winning, so, naturally, he decided to duke it out longer to get a treaty more favorable for him. Nothing wrong with that, it's the reality of war.

That's dirty. And you didn't do anything to protect New England when the UFNSCP invaded. Just admit that this is a simple case of conquest under the guise of protecting an ally.

Again, the war didn't concern me as much until Mongolia wanted to dogpile.

ill take it. and if Mongolia nukes you, ill rebuild that area for free. assuming it isn't an impassable wasteland.
I offer both a free trade agreement with Mathalamus, may a new era of peace shine between our nations.

It has been announced that Denmark would not accept our lenient peace terms.
We cannot wait to see Copnhagen smoldering under German tanks.

I offer both a free trade agreement with Mathalamus, may a new era of peace shine between our nations.

both a trade agreement and what? rebuild a province in madagascar for free?

It has been announced that Denmark would not accept our lenient peace terms.
We cannot wait to see Copnhagen smoldering under German tanks.

Federation tanks. since you are the Federation of Central Europe.

both a trade agreement and what? rebuild a province in madagascar for free?
Defensive pact. Not sure how that happened. Maybe its because I am hammered right now. (check my FB status)

I read the treaties that were posted. I carefully thought the two sides out, and I found New England was unfairly being ganged up upon. I knew New England wanted concessions from the screw-remembering-the-name, but I think it is justified to what they did to NE. If you wanted Balance of Power, you'd also go with NE, as SRTN and Canada wanted land from NE. So one country would have been weakened for the gain of other two. Hardly in the name of BoP. Also, if peace talks were not going his way, while he theoretically could still win, I don't blame him walking out.

Canada had a right to Newfoundland.

And in the posted treaties, New England was being paid reparations and the UFNSCP wasn't getting its war aims. He couldn't "theoretically" still win until Japan pulled out.

I personally found the war "Some ****ed conflict in the Balkans North America" until Mongolia started thinking of dogpiling on. Mongolia, who repeatedly stated he wanted me wiped off the map many times, could have had a chance to increase his sphere of influence. This effected me immensely.

What are you talking about? Sphere of Influence? How? By trying to broker a peace that went against his ally?

Also, your statement in China is so laughingly stupid, I almost died laughing. If you actually read the peace treaty, half of it was forming a neutral Chinese Republic, outside any of our spheres. I have no land ambitions at all, just wanting the insane Mongolians stopped.

You can't form a neutral Chinese Republic though. So what the hell are you talking about? I doubt TK is suddenly going to allow NPCs.

I'm not pretending that he was, because he is. SRTN went, "RAWR! ME WANT LAND", while Canada went, "RAWR! ME WANT LAND TWO!" Oh yes, New England is such a threat to humanity. :rolleyes:

Canada had a right to Newfoundland because they are, you guessed it, Canada.

The fact that New England refused a white peace and threatened to nuke Japan, who wasn't even actively part of the war, just goes to show New England is aggressive.

Also, your terms was not fair to him, as anyone could see. LH still has a chance in winning, so, naturally, he decided to duke it out longer to get a treaty more favorable for him. Nothing wrong with that, it's the reality of war.

Yes, he had a huge chance of winning. Oh wait, he was fighting a force with 7x his LP and far more nukes at the onset of the war than he does now.

Again, the war didn't concern me as much until Mongolia wanted to dogpile.

Oh yes. Mongolia was dogpiling. That's why he and I were trying to get New England to accept the white peace.

Again, the former colony of the former British Empire should stay out of world affairs. Especially Caribbean Sun business of trying to maintain the balance of power in OUR region. That's why when I posted about my coming interference in the UFNSCP-New England War, I posted in the UFN telling people they shouldn't feel obliged to jump in.

Meanwhile, the Australians, being cowards, came into the UFN, said they're going to war, and immediately tried to gather a war party which was completely against how the UFN worked.

It has been announced that Denmark would not accept our lenient peace terms.
We cannot wait to see Copnhagen smoldering under German tanks.

Wait, Germany's at war with Denmark? I missed something.

Defensive pact. Not sure how that happened. Maybe its because I am hammered right now. (check my FB status)

Alcohol does that. anyway, both the defensive pact and the trade agreement is signed. :)

Originally Posted by ZeletDude
It has been announced that Denmark would not accept our lenient peace terms.
We cannot wait to see Copnhagen smoldering under German tanks.

Federation tanks. since you are the Federation of Central Europe.
:lol: I like what you did there, Math.

I simply sit back and laugh at the world burning. I think I may through a big party for all world leaders not at war. Just to pass the time while we wait for everyone to be dead so we can claim their land

Arguing to Cuba is like arguing to a toddler that is covering his ear and going "La-la-la" until he sees my mouth stop moving. Oviously, I can't win, so I'll do the second best thing and block all Cuban ambassadors from my nation. Have fun in the welfare line.

Meanwhile, we ban the former colony of the former British Empire from using our side of the Panama Canal.

Which, if you don't know it, is far more significant than not being able to talk to me.

The former Commonwealth of the British Empire and former/current leading regional power can find an alternitive route rather than using the flithy canal of the various mutt of former colonies of differenting empires.

Canada had a right to Newfoundland because they are, you guessed it, Canada.

The fact that New England refused a white peace and threatened to nuke Japan, who wasn't even actively part of the war, just goes to show New England is aggressive.
Its called playing your cards right. Lets face it, it worked.

Wait, Germany's at war with Denmark? I missed something.
Yeah. happened earlier today.

Alcohol does that. anyway, both the defensive pact and the trade agreement is signed
Yeah, what doesn't help is my blurred vision. I am just relying on spellcheck to find all my mistakes.

Emperor Castro looked around the Politburo. Nothing but a sea of stern, serious faces and....

"Ah! Juanito is out!" Castro shouted.

Juanito burst out laughing, "No fair! I have a great sense of humor!" The man next to him started laughing and was declared out as well.

"This is better than the drinking game huh?" Castro asked. The rest of the stern, serious faces nodded, "Wait! I'm not finished reading!

The former Commonwealth of the British Empire and former/current leading regional power can find an alternitive route rather than using the flithy canal of the various mutt of former colonies of differenting empires."

That did it. Half the Politburo lost the game and laughed. The other half fought the urge to laugh.

"Hey guys!" Juanito raised his hand, "Did you know the Australia has a navy?"

Game over. The rest of the stern, serious faces were replaced with chuckling old faces with cigars. Lots and lots of cigars.

"I would declare war on them but I recently found out that a dingo ate a baby and that they're having seven days of mourning."

Oh good God... who will the next belligerent be?

Denmark is fighting France and the FOCE.
New England is fighting USFCNP.
Japan, Australia, Praetoria and Madagascar are fighting Mongolia.

OOC: I'll go tend Sons of Mars now, where things are sane... (probably because of my rules however)

*Emperor Mathalamus shakes his head at cuba*

you realize that those jokes are tasteless, cruel and probably evil as well?

really, even I laughed (no disrespect for Australia's massive navy. I just found it really funny.)

*Emperor Mathalamus shakes his head at cuba*

you realize that those jokes are tasteless, cruel and probably evil as well?

Evil?

Cuba?

Never!

If the lesser people of Australia are done suppressing the natives, I'm sure they'll sail over here with their ironclads and give us a good talking to about our compliments. We can say a lot mean things about their country which, despite not having been swept up of the wars of the 21st century, is still a lesser nation compared to upstarts such as Soviet Siberia and the Pacific Federation.

Jaunito is hilarious. How dare you call him tastless and evil. He is very popular even on Spanish radio.

@Ilduce: I'm really tempted to post a really trippy optical illusion to "help" your blurry vision, but I'm feeling nice tonight.

Jaunito is hilarious. How dare you call him tastless and evil. He is very popular even on Spanish radio.

@Ilduce: I'm really tempted to post a really trippy optical illusion to "help" your blurry vision, but I'm feeling nice tonight.

The sense of humor of the Spaniards is the greatest sense in the world. Of course, Cuba has a lot of love these days for Spain's culture ironically.

@Ilduce: I'm really tempted to post a really trippy optical illusion to "help" your blurry vision, but I'm feeling nice tonight.
Now i'm really interested.

Soviet Siberia and the Pacific Federation.
Speaking of which, are they still at war with Australia?

Speaking of which, are they still at war with Australia?

Good question. The Pacific Federation probably wants to bring civilization to the Outback. Siberia is....Siberia. They're a wildcard but probably will end up going against Mongolia.

The PF probably doesn't want to attack Japan, Praetoria, etc. but I'm pretty sure if they get a chance to punch the colonials in the mouth, they'll take it.

@Sonereal
Yes im at war with Denmark.

@Sonereal
Yes im at war with Denmark.

Good luck then.

Of course, it would be the Germans who start the first European war of the 22nd century. ;)

Actually France started it.
You know those Frenchies! ;)

Actually France started it.
You know those Frenchies! ;)

The French and Germans are BFFs?

Alone, you two were unable to beat Russia. But together!

Wait....what? Oh, Denmark. Nevermind. :D

Yes France and Germany allied it's new to us too!

Yes France and Germany allied it's new to us too!

They were allied during the European Civil War, weren't they? (OOC: Time for some history building people!)

Klein Venedig declares armed neutrality in this confusing and strange conflict. It encourages people to sign a white peace as soon as possible, then goes back to building up science and infrastructure as all this drama unfolds.

OOC: I'll go tend Sons of Mars now, where things are sane... (probably because of my rules however)

Just wait until I come home the day after tomarrow to reclaim my Amazonian monster. :P that aughta shake things up. Unless you want to keep playing it as an NPC. I wouldn't mind taking over another.

We proposed peace to Denmark and they refused stating it was not fair.

You know, guys, it's not supposed to be a new turn yet. I said so in the Update. I also said why it is so in the update. I wanted some time out to clear ambiguities, like forgotten claims or declarations of war.

So, I'd like someone to summarise to me what's happening, like who's at war with whom, who's blocking which people through which strait, and so on.

And unless you're bringing me a summary, don't post. Thank you.

New England made peace with everyone at war with them except the UFNSCP. Japan made peace with everyone they were at war with (New England, Australia, Madagascar)

Mongolia declared war on Japan. Australia, Madagascar, and Praetoria are at war with Mongolia.

France and Germany are at war with Denmark.

No straits are being blocked at the moment it seems.

Oh, all the peaces were white peaces with no land changes so Madagascar got its territory back.

Current war situation:
New England vs Cyborg-Ninjas
Preatoria, Japan, Australia and Mathalamus vs Mongolia
Denmark vs France and Germany
everyone else is neutral except Pacific Federation and Siberia, who nobody is sure who they are at war with.

edit x-post with Sonreal.

New England made peace with everyone at war with them except the UFNSCP. Japan made peace with everyone they were at war with (New England, Australia, Madagascar)

Mongolia declared war on Japan. Australia, Madagascar, and Praetoria are at war with Mongolia.

France and Germany are at war with Denmark.

No straits are being blocked at the moment it seems.

Oh, all the peaces were white peaces with no land changes so Madagascar got its territory back.

Current war situation:
New England vs Cyborg-Ninjas
Preatoria, Japan, Australia and Mathalamus vs Mongolia
Denmark vs France and Germany
everyone else is neutral except Pacific Federation and Siberia, who nobody is sure who they are at war with.

edit x-post with Sonreal.

Actualy I'm at war with Mongolistan too.

I have signed an Agreement with Ormus where they have agreed to be my vassal (ally that always must go to war when I go and that sends LP's and votes for me in return for land and protection)

In the interests or securing world peace and stable energy prices, the Kingdom of Ormus would like to invite the world's energy-producing nations to the
Dubai Summit:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=277558&stc=1&d=1293967226

Proven Oil Reserves (+/-3%) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_reserves#Estimated_reserves_by_country)
41% The Caliphate (Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Kuwait)
20% Ormus (Iran, UAE, Qatar)
14% Canada (Canada)
8% Klein-Venedig (Venezuela)
5% Siberia (Russia)
4% The Horde (Kazakhstan)
3% Unclaimed (Nigeria)
3% New Carthage (Libya)
2% USSR (United States/Texas)
1% Mongolia (China)
1% Eralatuk (Algeria)
1% USFCNP (Maxico)

Proven Gas Reserves (http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0872966.html)
34% Ormus (Iran, UAE, Qatar)
27% Siberia (russia)
7% The Caliphate (Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Kuwait)
3% California/USFCNP/New England/USSR (U.S.A.)
3% Eralatuk (Algeria)
3% The Horde (Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan)
3% Pacific Federation (Indonesia/Malaysia)
2% Klein-Venedig (Venezuela)
1% Denmark (Norway)
1% Bergundy (Netherlands)
1% Canada
11% Negligible Amounts (Various countries)
3% Unclaimed (Nigeria)
1% Unclaimed (Egypt)

It would be advantageous for major producers to work together. Modern navies and armies cannot do battle without oil. Based on proven resources, major producers would be:

Ormus
The Caliphate
Siberia
Klein-Venedig
The Horde
Canada

All nations are welcome to attend. The summit goal would be to create some type of energy-based group, similar to OPEC. If you are interested in participating in this summit, please respond to this post.

interested and I've got the power! :D

zxe, Nedim, save this discussion for later, yes?

Oil reserves based in 2010. did everyone immediately stop using oil for about 90 years and start using it again? there was a massive war, and a massive plague. the first should deplete oil reserves nicely.

i would imagine most of the Oil and Gas reserves be gone by now.

explain later, the GM needs some time to figure some things out dont post

I am blocking the Straight of Gibralter from war vessels of all nations that are in a war. I am still allowing civilian ships through with higher fees and after checking to be sure there is no military weapons or personel aboard. IIRC, Carthage has done the same for the Panama Canal.

I am also at peace with everyone.

I have done the same thing with the Suez Canal

Carthage has done the same with the Panama Canal. We remain Neutral, and are at peace with everybody.

DT
Carthaginian :)

everyone else is neutral except Pacific Federation and Siberia, who nobody is sure who they are at war with.

You know who I'm at war with! Madagascar, New England, and Australia (and I would like peace, actually).

I decide to make peace with everyone I'm at war with (Mathalamus and Australia).

We also are cancelling our alliance with Denmark we made awhile ago. We don't want to be in this war (for now...:mischief:).

@Tailless can we continue playing?

@Tailless can we continue playing?

No, the game restarts when I feel like it and don't ask again

A quick question, are people updating their posts in the claims thread like they're are supposed to? You know, with all relevant diplomatic information regarding wars and other situations?

If they were, it would make everyone's lives a lot easier, especially yours, taillesskangaru.

Current situation:

New England vs USFCNP
France + Federation of Central Europe vs Denmark
Japan + Praetoria + Australia + Mathalamus Empire vs Mongolia
New England vs PacFed

And you know what? I'm just going to offer a white peace to PacFed. Everyone's becoming a hippie all of a sudden. So maybe that war can end.

-L

A quick question, are people updating their posts in the claims thread like they're are supposed to? You know, with all relevant diplomatic information regarding wars and other situations?

Some people are. Other people aren't and I'd really like them to, but in any case I'm not keeping track of all the diplomatic agreements due to their sheer numbers. The only diplomatic announcements I really care about, and expected to be fully informed about each turn, are 1) war declarations, 2) peace treaties, 3) blockade of important straits and 4) Territorial/XP/LP trades. As for others, I expect you guys to keep track of them yourselves.

Current situation:

New England vs USFCNP
France + Federation of Central Europe vs Denmark
Japan + Praetoria + Australia + Mathalamus Empire + France Classic vs Mongolia
New England vs PacFed

And you know what? I'm just going to offer a white peace to PacFed. Everyone's becoming a hippie all of a sudden. So maybe that war can end.

-L

fixed

Right, I am back from my vacation. Can I post in the claims thread for last turn? I wont be spending or anything, But I want somewhere where I can list my alliances, DPs, wars, and whatnot.

Right, I am back from my vacation. Can I post in the claims thread for last turn? I wont be spending or anything, But I want somewhere where I can list my alliances, DPs, wars, and whatnot.

Sure, go ahead.

Anyway, before we continue, I have a couple of things I'd like to sound you out about.

Firstly, do you find slowly claiming the map five territories each turn to be too tedious? If so, we can take this opportunity and just partition the thing, and restart the game with the entire map claimed. Of course you have to find something you can all agree with.

Secondly, Sonereal wants to host an IOT with rules improved on this one. The question is, do we want to continue this game after he is ready to launch his game? Or do we wrap things up here once the new game is ready?

So yes, what do you think?

I prefer claiming. Perhaps claiming 7 at a time would be better, but claiming leaves room for a lot of things. These include new players, and border disputes. And those are what keeps this interesting. Certainly, I wouldn't find any appeal in playing this if our countries were set up beforehand.

I'd also say that it seems like a new one is being started incrdeibly soon. I'd think this would start to die when the new one appeared, even if we kept this running. I'd prefer to see the new one start later after this one though, we're still in the exciting parts here. Like word war. and Finishing claiming Africa.

DT
My 2 Paragraphs :D

We dont think the game needs to be reset but from the next update let us have 7 claims, and I wont quit from this game even If everyone left I got into my roleplay and this is extremely fun, but I will join Sonereals since Im not going to school this month so I have the time

Personally I think both have appeals, of them I'd choose claiming. I'm not sure about the other game though, save that this game is quite fun.

-L

This is a lot of fun. Slow Expansion is NEEDED. Please don't just divide the map up.. the game would be over for me from that point almost.

Forum Games can support more IOT.

i prefer claiming. nice and fun.

I support claiming, partioning the whole think can already be "Done" in SOIs but I'd rather claim, its fun.

That said, I'd be OK with an increase in claims, but if you want to, LPs should be increased as well. Like if you want 7XPs, you should also have 7LPs, with a 0:14 Ratio in wartime.

Thus since this might get ridiculous, I'd leave it at 5 IMO.

Also for me personally, I'm joining Sonereals but I'll still be here. I can play more than one at a time.

Denmark has been defending itself against aggressors, Id like some support, Im in the right

Firstly, do you find slowly claiming the map five territories each turn to be too tedious? If so, we can take this opportunity and just partition the thing, and restart the game with the entire map claimed. We've come so far, it seems counterintuitive to reboot. 'Sides, half the fun is watching the empires grow.
Five is fine, given players can now make exchanges.

Secondly, Sonereal wants to host an IOT with rules improved on this one. The question is, do we want to continue this game after he is ready to launch his game? Or do we wrap things up here once the new game is ready?Why does every game crash once a world war breaks out?! Is it some unspoken tradition?

Unless I know Sonereal's ruleset in full, I'm staying here. It's only been what, six turns, and the fate of the world has already been mapped out. It'd be a shame not to see it amount to anything.

The good stuff is just about to start
Denmark's PC score:
Economic Left/Right: 0.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 4.10

I like the way it is now. And I really like the simplicity of this game. Its more about the diplomacy than having the most BA nation.

I'd say leave claiming the way it is. Most of the fun is being able to slowly expand your empire. Just saying poof; here are your static borders would be unfun. Unfortunely, SOI's ruin most of the fun of trying to find new land, but that's a different rant.

Please don't let this game die after just 6 turns. We can have more than one. I want to see us make it through a world war for once.

Claiming is definitely the way to go. Expansion is part of the fun - and the only visual element in a forum game...

Some small changes to think about:

For simplicity, LP and XP should be combined. You start with 5-10 P/turn. You can use them for expansion, war, missions, or nukes. If you expand, you have less P for fighting. If you develop nukes your expansion will slow. I think this will create some interesting strategies.

I would also like to see Ps tied to land in some way, possible for P generation. Whether it is a simle risk-style 1P/3 terrirories or something based on resources like oil/gas...

The good stuff is just about to start
Denmark's PC score:
Economic Left/Right: 0.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 4.10

Mongolia's is:

Economic L/R- 4.95

Social L/R- 9.10

Mathalamus Empire:

Economic Left/Right: -2.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 2.46

makes sense that the state is slightly authoritarian and communist.

Denmark is Socialist, actually, which makes the PC score sound stupid

The Caliphate
Economic Left/Right: -6.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 4.05

+6.25, +5.97

Keep it going please, don't let it die after so few turns.

Secondly, Sonereal wants to host an IOT with rules improved on this one. The question is, do we want to continue this game after he is ready to launch his game? Or do we wrap things up here once the new game is ready?

So yes, what do you think?

I can launch the game after the relaunch (if you do one) of this one. School started up back for me and it'll take me anywhere from a week to a month to get into the swing of things with that which would make me a pretty bad GM for the time being.

Not to mention I'm still personally balancing the rules to work with the map. My game is being set up so that controlling a large number of provinces puts you at an advantage. The map I'm using, however, has vastly different sized territories with Europe having....too many to count but if someone recreates a Roman Empire, that player will be pulling in enough LPs to make them a serious threat.

I'll post more in the IOT Dev thread so I don't clutter this one.

But I don't see why you would want to restart the map. Slow expansion isn't a problem after all. It was just that the game started off with 23 nations. That's impressive.

@Zxe

Sorta off-topic but I considered combining LP and XP in a revised edition but I scrapped the idea because its really unfun. Its easy to see whose developing nukes or launching espionage missions.

From what i've seen in the past, when people start to question of whether or not the games dead, it usually means it's dead. The real question should be does TK still want to continue this game, these IOT's are a lot of work.

Firstly, do you find slowly claiming the map five territories each turn to be too tedious? If so, we can take this opportunity and just partition the thing, and restart the game with the entire map claimed. Of course you have to find something you can all agree with.

What a great idea! I say we partition.


Secondly, Sonereal wants to host an IOT with rules improved on this one. The question is, do we want to continue this game after he is ready to launch his game? Or do we wrap things up here once the new game is ready?


Keep this game going.

Of course this game will keep going. Taill'y just needs a pause from all the crazy diplomacy going on!

I've noticed that they tend to die down when people run out of land to claim, which to me is alot of the fun in this game. At this point though, pretty much anywhere you claim will get someone mad at you for "violating their SOI". If we could figure out a way to get the map to fill up slower, without restricting claiming too much, we might make games last longer.

More Provinces.

I've noticed that they tend to die down when people run out of land to claim, which to me is alot of the fun in this game. At this point though, pretty much anywhere you claim will get someone mad at you for "violating their SOI". If we could figure out a way to get the map to fill up slower, without restricting claiming too much, we might make games last longer.

In that case we should probably hit the reset button on this game. If we restart we could put caps on how many people join or how many territories one nation can hold without creating a vassal state, which then can be taken over by a new player wanting to join.

no resets. there is 125 pages for that, in just 6 turns. do we really want to reset now and gain another 125 pages?

Everything is fine, some people have what they want an are content, others want more. There is still lots of Africa I am lamenting to say. So what if you ruin someones SoI? Go to war over it, or don't expand anymore.. those are the options available to you!

There are a 125 pages but only 60 or 70 or those are relevant. Many of them was discussing the set-up of the game. Many more were just one liners or something irrelevant game wise.

So no, we don't need a reset. We need people to not go batshit insane diplomatic wise.

So no, we don't need a reset. We need people to not go batshit insane diplomatic wise.
But thats what makes this game so interesting...

SEND PM's, not endless posting.

But thats what makes this game so interesting...

SEND PM's, not endless posting.

At some point, the mindless stream of messages does get grating and its too easy to get lost like with that damnable Madagascar affair.

I have avoided it by not reading hardly 5% of this thread, and only looked at the claims thread, and wrote on lots of peoples walls and send PMs

But I like reading the diplomacy...

Some is fun to read, the majority is drivel

i could shunt the majority of the diplomacy to visitor message, but it may get tedious rather fast. there is no option to hard delete the existing VMs so i could keep it clean. some people may have their walls closed, or get pissed at me for cluttering their walls with diplomacy...