The Republik Klein-Venedig proposes the creation of some sort of Caribbean Trade Union, to further trade around the Caribbean rim and the surrounding areas. This would bring the nations in the region closer together, and further the cause of peace and prosperity in the region (Possible applicants: New Carthage, Caribbean Sun, USFCNP, USSR, perhaps France due to French Guiana.)

I support the creation of the trade union.

OOC: Just sent to you about this! Great minds think alike. :)

IC: The Caribbean Sun would welcome a trade union.

The USSR is interested in peace and prosperity, and so, we accept the trade union.

Economic and Military News

In other news, the Caribbean Sun will be hosting a military exercise off the coast of Puerto Rico and extends an offer to all nations to join in."

The USSR will send some of its vessels to participate in the military exercise. This includes our sole aircraft carrier, the SRS Texas.

The USSR will send some of its vessels to participate in the military exercise. This includes our sole aircraft carrier, the SRS Texas.


That's great to hear!

To the Prime Minister of the Federation of Central Europe:
Salutations to our Western neighbours and brothers abroad. In the interest of fostering peace and stability in this catastrophic world, the Republic of Poland wishes to make an overture of goodwill and respect to your sovereign state. We do not foresee the Federation's goals as conflicting with our own, and believe that much can be achieved through the mutual co-operation of our peoples. We therefore propose that our two nations pledge a pact of non-aggression, that this may be the first step in a long and prosperous relationship.


We certainly will accept your proposed terms and hope we can live together is peace.

To Burgundy:
We do not acknowledge your claims over our sovereign territory perhaps some agreement can be made?

In Klein Venedig:

The oil industry begins again as a new source of oil is discovered in the recently-acquired province of Bolivar (one of the few province names left the same as they were in the former Venezuela; Bolivar is considered a national hero still). Profits begin to rise as Klein Venedig takes its place among the oil-producing nations of the world.

In military news, Klein Venedig's navy has begun a project to produce a more efficient and powerful battleship to protect its trade interests. A large amount of money has already been invested into the project, which is expected to near completion before the decade ends.

EDIT: Should we set up a user group for the trade union?

The Republik Klein-Venedig proposes the creation of some sort of Caribbean Trade Union, to further trade around the Caribbean rim and the surrounding areas. This would bring the nations in the region closer together, and further the cause of peace and prosperity in the region (Possible applicants: New Carthage, Caribbean Sun, USFCNP, USSR, perhaps France due to French Guiana.)

The NCR is interested in joining this trade union. Eventhough were not near any of the Carribbean sea. We can help in otherways.


In other news, the Caribbean Sun will be hosting a military exercise off the coast of Puerto Rico and extends an offer to all nations to join in."

The NCR would be glad to participate. Including the NCR Rangers

Hears whats making news in Japan today:
No more Isolation, the new Executor, Ilduce, had an important trade agreement to announce. Last night, the Executor met with diplomats from Praetoria, where they signed both a free trade agreement and an open borders agreement between the two great nations. This is the first trade agreement Japan has had in 1200 years. Ilduce hopes to start a new golden age between GJ and the rest of the world, and this appears to be the first step. Ilduce is the first executor not to be a Japanese citizen, so it is not surprising that he is the first one to want to end the isolation.

Expanding the nation. Ilduce has not just ended the isolation of Japan, but has announce future ambitions to expand onto mainland Asia. The land disputed between Japan and the collapsing China is the territory's of Hebei, Shanx and Shaanxi, Ilduces place of birth. Ilduce has also announced the welcoming of two new cities, Jakarta, Indonesia (including the Banten region of the country, which is the lands just outside Jakarta) and Singapore, Singapore into the nation. What is still being disputed is what role these new members will play in the future of Great Japan and how easy it will be for the citizens of Indonesia and Singapore to become official Japanese citizens.

Rebellion on the loose. Government officials in Kuril have abbandoned the island chain, as rebels attempted to assassinate the premier. The noble's (In Japanese culture, the Upperclass is called nobles, middle class called Japanese and lower class called commoners), Lords and MPP's of the region have all evacuated as the region has entered a period of civil war, where members of the slave and commoner classes took arms against the government. 7 Japanese, and 84 others will killed in the first conflict of this rebellion. We would like you all to take a minute to commemorate the 7 who gave their lives yesterday. There is no sign as to win the fighting will end. The executor has yet to comment on this issue, but members of the legislation have commented that the government is doing all that it can to take down these rebels.
Meanwhile the opposition leader to the region, Mr Kururugi, had this to say:
I can only say this. That this could have been prevented, and that there is only one group to blame. It has become clear that this is the fault of the government, decided to expand their borders in aggressive acts of imperialism, rather then focus on the pressing internal issues. They should look more to what the people of our beloved nation want, then aggressive acts due to the fear the legislation has of loosing the rank of the economic and world power. It doesn't matter what the people of the world think. Who cares whether we are weak or strong, what matters the happiness of the people.
The leader of the liberal party has made speeches in the past predicting that Kuril was on the verge of revolt and that the government should start looking more into what the people wanted, and less into politics for themselves.
The Premier hasn't taken notice as to what the commoners wanted, as they couldn't vote in elections, so it wasn't the governments responsibility to represent them. He says that that he will do everything in his path to restore stability to the region, so the Japanese can go back to their normal lives.
The Japanese are scared that another civil war will break out as a result of this rebellion, but the members of government are sure that this is not the case. Lord Higoshima (leader of Kuril) assures people that this revolt will be taken care of shortly, and has been given a fortnight to stabilize the region, or the main force, including tanks, will be forced to deal with it. For now the UMPO (regional soldiers) top priority is to evacuate any loyalists from the region to minimize collateral damage.

ok im going to make this short and to the point.

im going to be posting my SoI.
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j195/mathalamus/NewrussianSoI.jpg

Poland, Turkey, and probably Mongolia will have review this SoI then agree to accept it or not. if you don't, i would like to negotiate it. if its acceptable, then great. i have tried to keep everyone's wishes here.

now, good night. im tired.

Wrong thread dude ><

It's not claims, so it's not out of place.

Oh, and the Polish people refuse to abide by this foreign power's arbitrary declaration.

I really want to play, but my comp is broken. Is there any way I could NPC a country temporarily?

Prime Minister Omega looks onto the big pile of papers on his desk. The Union of Asia offered him a position, but Parliament voted it down, politely saying that they are Oceanic and therefore shouldn't be in an Asian Union. Somehow, the Japanese took this as an insult, and rudely demanded that no Aussie shall step onto Indonesia. Apparently, the two ambassadors started fighting each other about the geographical location of both Indonesia, Oceania and Polynesia.

"So, no conversation about Poland's geographical location, right? I'm getting tired of those Poland jokes", said Omega, talking to his Foreign Advisor. "No", the advisor, "but somehow race got into an issue, with the Japanese calling our ambassador a "Killing, Raping, Child Stealing White Imperialist". Omega spit out his cup of coffee (He preferred it over tea) in surprise. "Dear God, was he out of his mind?", asked Omega.

"Sadly, I think not, and I'll cover why in a 'sec", said the Advisor. Anyways, our Ambassador, who deserves a medal for not retaliating, referred to the Stolen Generation, and our apologies for it. The Japanese Ambassador started rambling again, but, again, in an act of pure courage, our guy politely excused himself and walked away".

"Well, this is going to go well with the Japs", said Omega, "but tell me why this guy is serious". The advisor sighed, played with her hair, and then said, "They're starting to invade China again". "My god! They're playing with an empire again!", yelled Omega. "Yes, and if they're going that route-". Omega interrupted, "Oh my god, Australia is going to be a target on a bulls-eye"!

The foreign advisor said, "This is not some sort of conspiracy theory. They're starting to stamp out liberties, and there's a huge revolt going on. They're being serious about this. If the other nations join the union and get the other nations to rally against us, we're dead. Luckily, said revolt will slow them down for a bit, but not too long".

Omega then said, "But whom would want to help us? Britain and South Africa are in total anarchy, if there is life there at all, Canada went communist, and wouldn't like a pro-royalist country, and America is divided internally". The advisor said, "Well, if our reports are correct, the USSR is sympathetic to our cause. If we assist them if a 2nd American Civil War breaks out, they might help us. Russia might also be interested, but more as a mutual struggle, not an actual friend".

"I'm not sure about Russia", said Omega. "Something about their leader tells me I won't get along good with him". The advisor then said, "Well, the King could focus on Russian relationships while you focus on the USSR's relationships. Even with the abolishment of Governor-General, and him presiding at Parliament directly, he still doesn't do much. And remember, De Gaulle never got along with Churchill, Roosevelt, or Stalin, but the other three still stuck with him".

"Now, that's it with the Japanese. No conclusive reports have been made of nations that are actually important". The woman started to walk out, but Omega stopped her. "Hey, you're the best presenter I've had as Prime Minister, what's your name?" "Julia. Julia Smith".

In the event that I can,

Caesar's (pronounced Kisar) Legion
http://i830.photobucket.com/albums/zz221/ganon167/map-71.png
Government- Military Dictatorship under Caesar. Modeled after Imperial Rome, the Legion was formed after the conquest of 86 tribes residing in the post- Apocalyptic events of the 21st century. Women have no rights and are treated as slaves. Men are raised from birth to be soldiers or perform a useful task in Caesar's army. Those unfit for service are enslaved or killed. Caesar rules with complete autocracy. He is worshiped throughout his empire and dissenters are extremely rare.
Financial Policy- Official currency is denarii. Used only for trade with foreign countries. All wealth is the property of Caesar. Members of the legion are provided with everything they need for survival in exchange for service.
Foreign Policy- Caesar decides what peoples deserve to live, and which will be killed. He is a master of manipulation and often uses them to his advantage only to destroy them later. He views the neighboring New California Republic as his greatest enemy.
Language- Official language is Latin. English is also commonly used. So is Spanish in the southernmost parts of the empire.
Military- Extremely powerful. All citizens are either soldiers or slaves.
Color- Brown

@link

what is this i don't even.

There I was thinking that Europe was crowded!

Klein Venedig wonders if this is a joke.

Oh, and the Polish people refuse to abide by this foreign power's arbitrary declaration.

fine. then you may suggest something.

as i said, i am open to negotiation. Visitor message please., this thread is getting a tad fast.

Russian foreign policy

Basically, we will be an independent neutral power. we will not join any military conflicts, or start one, or even end one. we believe every problem can be solved by negotiations.

so, president omega, you can count me out as a potential military ally, but you have my assurances i will never attack you.

.so, president omega, you can count me out as a potential military ally, but you have my assurances i will never attack you.

1. I'm Prime Minister, not President'

2. That was a top secret conversation, not offical diplomacy.

@Link - I have to say, you're kind of encroaching in TF and my SOIs.

Not to mention what sounds like a rather large human right's violation.

gah nvm

@Link - I have to say, you're kind of encroaching in TF and my SOIs.

Let's not forget this is our 2nd Rome wanna-be nation, as well. Historical wise, this is the more boring nation, but I find the society to be more interesting, if a little cruel. By interesting, I mean more like "How does it still exist to this day?" kind of way.

Not to mention what sounds like a rather large human right's violation.
In before references of Hitler could be made...

Time to break down Omega's post:
Somehow, the Japanese took this as an insult,
I didn't, I just said no white imperialist shall take a step into Asia. That White Imperialist being you...

Apparently, the two ambassadors started fighting each other about the geographical location of both Indonesia, Oceania and Polynesia.
Just Indonesia, which is part of Asia, btw

Killing, Raping, Child Stealing White Imperialist
I never called your ambassador that. Your ambassador called my ambassador a racist, to which he responded with:
300 years ago the white people came in and burned our homes, raped our women, enslaved our children. Now they are coming back to do it again. We can't let this happen again, we must keep the whites out of Asia

The Japanese Ambassador started rambling again, but, again, in an act of pure courage, our guy politely excused himself and walked away".
My rambles were talking about how, even though you apologize, you once want to put the minority's through that situation again. And we can't let that happen.

They're starting to invade China again
This is actually the first time, in my opening post about the history of China, I posted that that never happened.

This is not some sort of conspiracy theory. They're starting to stamp out liberties, and there's a huge revolt going on. They're being serious about this. If the other nations join the union and get the other nations to rally against us, we're dead. Luckily, said revolt will slow them down for a bit, but not too long".
Just starting? :rofl:
This is the 4th revolt in the last 20 years. The people haven't been pleased with Ilduce, and believe that someone who isn't a Japanese citizen has no right taking power, and abusing it.

Oh my god, Australia is going to be a target on a bulls-eye"
My SOI actually just includes North Eastern China, Southern Vietnam, Cambodia, Singapore, Java, Sumatra, Korea and Japan. We have no interest in the worthless soils of Australia, and the loss of life required to take the island just isn't worth it.

Let's not forget this is our 2nd Rome wanna-be nation, as well. Historical wise, this is the more boring nation, but I find the society to be more interesting, if a little cruel. By interesting, I mean more like "How does it still exist to this day?" kind of way.
If we're going to be blatantly OOC, it's a direct rip from Fallout: New Vegas, which I'm telling all two of you who didn't already know. :)

We have talked to both Burgundy (Arakhor) and Polska (Thorvald of Lym) about this and we announce the following lands in our SoI.
Color referance:

Darker blue: Home territories (Germany)
Lighter blue: Countries we claim, Austria, Czech Republic, Slovakia, 1/2 of Switzerland, Hungary, Bosnia, Croatia and Slovenia.

Wait, Zero Punctuation wasn't joking when he said Nazi Romans had taken control of a nearby village?

Here is Great Japan's SOI

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/552/iotvi.png

I'll ignore most of Ilduce's rambling because it's called "Artistic License", but one does glare out at me.


This is actually the first time, in my opening post about the history of China, I posted that that never happened.

Ignoring the fact that, before 1939, the war between Japan and China was called the Second Sino-Japanese War, I'd like to point out that its very rude to screw up with history. For example, let's say that Japan was isolationist, then no nuclear weapons would be developed (Less resources to go to the East, means Allies win war faster), which then means no Cold War, and, more importantly, no nuclear bombs. This means no ICBMs, which are an established part of the game. By changing one thing, you just butterflied out a key concept of the game. Seriously.

I propose a new rule that that history is exactly the same as RL up to Dec. 11, 2010 so situations like this don't happen

In the event that I can,Caesar's (pronounced Kisar) Legion
http://i830.photobucket.com/albums/zz221/ganon167/map-68.png


60% of your land is now disputed with the NCR and USSR. While the USSR is somewhat sympathetic to new nations(we after all, had a rough spot with the USFCNP for the same reason), we request you move elsewhere.

Besides, think of it this way: the President's secretary is now being treated for second-degree burns due to the intense shock forcing him to spit out his coffee in her face. (We do have a lot in common with Australia, after all)

Wouldn't Caesar's legions be more appropriate in their Roman homeland? Why choose the Midwest over glorious Rome?

Regardless of its location, Klein Venedig condemns the apparently-horrifying state of human rights in this so-called "Caesar's Legion", and encourages other democratic countries to do the same.

Ignoring the fact that, before 1939, the war between Japan and China was called the Second Sino-Japanese War, I'd like to point out that its very rude to screw up with history. For example, let's say that Japan was isolationist, then no nuclear weapons would be developed (Less resources to go to the East, means Allies win war faster), which then means no Cold War, and, more importantly, no nuclear bombs. This means no ICBMs, which are an established part of the game. By changing one thing, you just butterflied out a key concept of the game. Seriously.

I propose a new rule that that history is exactly the same as RL up to Dec. 11, 2010 so situations like this don't happen
Nuclear bombs were being researched before WW2 ended. Maybe Operation Sea Lion was a success, and in the end America Nuked Hamburg ending the war. Cold war begins and yeah, same history. Or maybe China was the belligerent in the pacific war. The economy of China collapsed due to the war debt, and the civil war by Mao begins.

In All the IOT's the fall of Constantinople was directly relevant to the discovery of the new world, as Columbus was suppose to find a new route to India, as the Ottomans had just blockaded the old route. Nobody ******* to Mathamalus...

Umm, can we please cut the OT/History chatter?

Kthxsbye

Nuclear bombs were being researched before WW2 ended. Maybe Operation Sea Lion was a success, and in the end America Nuked Hamburg ending the war. Cold war begins and yeah, same history. Or maybe China was the belligerent in the pacific war. The economy of China collapsed due to the war debt, and the civil war by Mao begins.

In All the IOT's the fall of Constantinople was directly relevant to the discovery of the new world, as Columbus was suppose to find a new route to India, as the Ottomans had just blockaded the old route. Nobody ******* to Mathamalus...

Well, no one gave a crap when Math does it becasue he's too attached to the Byzantines, and he power played him. When he's fielding an army the size of half his population, you need priorities. Besides, that New World was going to get discovered one way or another; you can't not notice half your planet forever. Nuclear Weapons, however, are not. They were developed due to the unique situation that was unfolding on Earth; and they could had easily never been made.

Also, Nuclear projects (On the Allied side) didn't begin to atleast 1939, and they weren't considered big priorities. The only reason we had stuff like the Manhattan Project is because we realised that Berlin and Kyoto would be very bloody to take, but for the former, the Soviets don't care how much life is lost as long as they win, while we didn't have a partner like that in Asia.

It's too big of an hassle to write AHs for games that are supposed to take place 100 years from now. There's no point, not unless if you got a reason to (Math is an example, and so is the person being Burgundy).

EDIT: Crosspost with CivGeneral, but he is right.

OOC: I've been gone only a couple of hours and already 4 pages behind! This is gonna go fast...
For future reference, normal text is first person as King Matteo Martinez, and italics are newspaper headlines from La Periodica del Imperio Nueva Espana

IC: Spain is pleased to see that the nations of the world are being open to negotiation. I am slightly disappointed that Spain has had no offers of alliances or trade deals, but I must admit that I would probably declined anyway. I do not want Spain to become involved in an alliance until we fully know what our options are.

EDIT: Should we set up a user group for the trade union?

Yes.


The NCR would be glad to participate. Including the NCR Rangers

NCR Rangers?

We're happy that NCR wants to joins in on the exercises however. They'll happen at "update".


BREAKING NEWS: Admiral Castro, Transitional Leader of Cuba Condemns Caesar's Legion

"I believe I speak for the people of Cuba when I say that Caesar's Legion is a blight in North America. The Caribbean Sun will not accept a corrupt, illegimate government which forces it citizens into the army or slavery on such a scale. This pariah nation will not survive and it shall not stand the test of time.

Therefore, the Transitional Government of Cuba does not recognize Caesar or his government. We believe that the land rightly belongs to the USSR and California."

OOC: I've been gone only a couple of hours and already 4 pages behind! This is gonna go fast...
For future reference, normal text is first person as King Matteo Martinez, and italics are newspaper headlines from La Periodica del Imperio Nueva Espana

IC: Spain is pleased to see that the nations of the world are being open to negotiation. I am slightly disappointed that Spain has had no offers of alliances or trade deals, but I must admit that I would probably declined anyway. I do not want Spain to become involved in an alliance until we fully know what our options are.

The Empire of the Caribbean Sun simply wants a trade deal. We're currently expanding our procurement of Nickle and Cobalt but we have many other goods Spain may find interesting.

The NEC will send the Wisconsin to participate in the drills. However we insist on the right to deliver military justice to any spies caught aboard our flagship during the drill, and to leave at any time.

We inquire as to the stance of Caesar's Legion on the Bible and the relevant texts of Christianity.

-L

@Great Japan- I think your SOI intrudes on our area of expansion a bit much. Though I'm willing to settle this in PM.

The NEC will send the Wisconsin to participate in the drills. However we insist on the right to deliver military justice to any spies caught aboard our flagship during the drill, and to leave at any time.


Welcome NEC and of course. This is a friendly military exercise and to foster good will, no one should be spying.

The LA Times just released a political toon in relation to the recent events:

http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/3103/iot6politicaltoon.png

A.) How did you do that?
B.) ROFL

Hey, Lucy is a member of the Japanese Legislation, what the hell was she doing at the meeting? (anime character belong in Japan, not California)

The NEC DEMANDS to know why it was not represented at this conference! THIS IS AN OUTRAGE! GOD SHALL PUNISH YOU ALL! I DECLARE WAR . ..

What's that??

Oh . . . .

Four times our military strength? Actual national stability?

I'm making a total what of myself?

And now it's worse, because I'm repeating everything you say right to the television cameras?

...

Alright people, after my adviser's sage council, I have decided on a course of action! <makes peace sign> PEACE! NOW LET'S LOWER SOME TAXES AND INCREASE THE DEFENSE BUDGET!

:p Not a real DoW . . . .in case you were wondering.

-L

Hey, Lucy is a member of the Japanese Legislation, what the hell was she doing at the meeting? (anime character belong in Japan, not California)

http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/4479/colbertq.jpg

Lucy's with me. Now quit it with the OT/History clatter.

PEACE! NOW LET'S LOWER SOME TAXES AND INCREASE THE DEFENSE BUDGET!
God save us all, its seems a Bush has found himself controlling yet another country.

x-post with CivGeneral: Clam down. It was a joke.

"Admiral Castro....why is America so strange?"

Admiral Castro looked at the man who asked him the question. Surely, this educated man wasn't asking a simple question like that. "Because they're Americans. They're good people. Eccentric. But nice people."

"Ah. How is the planning for the military exercise coming along?"

"Excellent! The USSR are sending a few of their ships including the SRS Texas. The NCR are sending ships....and Rangers. I'm not sure what to make of it but it sounds downright splendid. We're integrating the Puerto Rican, Nicaraguan, Costa Rican, and Honduran Armed Forces into the Caribbean Imperial Armed and their navies should be flying our flag and ready for the exercise when the time comes. I believe Klein Venedig wouldn't mind but I haven't asked yet.

The NEC is sending the Wisconsin."

"A beautiful ship."

"Certainly. Speaking of which, did you read the LA Times?"

"Sorry Admiral, I've seen it around but my English isn't strong enough to understand it."

Admiral Castro chuckled, "You're missing out. The Californians have comedians, they do. On a serious note, what is the statues of our Air Force?"

"A few dozen last-generation fighters and a baker's dozen bombers. And before you ask, the CSN Fidel is en route to San Juan. The CSN Céspedes is in the port of Havana being renovated."

"Good. As the American president, Washington, said 'A strong Navy isn't a provoker of war, but a guarantee of peace' or something like that."

OOC- I guess I'll move to Italy. Updated map+ claims
http://i830.photobucket.com/albums/zz221/ganon167/map-71.png

Caesar offers the profligates a rare opportunity to negotiate. If they will remove their claims from land rightfully his and allow for the Legion to gain a port on the eastern coast of Mexico, the Legion will not expand anymore in North America.

Or, for the mutual interest of all parties involved, you could claim the virgin land of Rome itself, which would be more fitting for your government.

"The Legion moved to Italy."

"lolwut?"

"Admiral Castro? Admiral Castro! What are you doing? Stop banging you head on the desk!"

I'll change my color next time I claim to make it easier. I just don't want to make another map now.

The USSR applauds the Legion's reasonable decision to migrate to Italy, and wishes it luck in the fertile lands of the Mediterranean.

To make this post less spammy:

The annexation of parts of Mexico and Central America has served to strengthen the Conservative Party, which now controls 15% of the electorate. It has also slightly strengthened the Democrats.

Current Composition of Government

Senate - 15 Popularly-Elected (next up for election in 2102)

6 Republican, 4 Libertarian, 3 Conservative, 2 Democrat

Senate - 15 Legislature-appointed (next up for election in 2104)

4 Republican, 4 Conservative, 4 Libertarian, 3 Democrat

Senate - 15 Governor-Appointed (next up for election in 2106)

5 Conservative, 4 Republican, 4 Libertarian, 2 Democrat

House - 100 PR elected (half up for election in 2102)

31 Republican, 27 Libertarian, 23 Democrat, 15 Conservative, 3 Christian Democrat, 1 Socialist

House - 100 District Elected (half up for election in 2102)

37 Republican, 28 Libertarian, 20 Conservative, 12 Democrat, 3 Christian Democrat

President Marcus Perry (Republican; serving since 2097 and next up for election in 2105)

Chancellor Jacqueline Freeman (Republican-Libertarian candidate, serving since 2099)

SCOTUSSR (4 Republicans, 2 Libertarians, 1 Democrat)

To Italy:
Austria is in our SOI if you expand into this or the eastern half of Swizerland war will occur.

What the hell are you playing at, Madman? Why did you choose France when I'm already Burgundy?

First of all your Burgundy, so you shouldn't have any claims in western France anyways, why not expand north into BenLux? Second off all how dare you call me President Pierre a madman:mad:, such a smear will be forgiven this time but not the next.

OOC: I am not posting an SOI, and instead will outline my nation with my claims. There will not be much RP from me until that is finished, sorry.

Roleplay: Caliph Nedim Ibn Mehmed has visited the Holy Lands today. He went to the Rock of the Dome and the Al-Aksa mosque. He has made this following speech:
"My people our goal is to unit our fellow Muslims in one state, we shall fight against the so called Ottoman reformists to liberate our people from their westernized dictatorship. By the will of god all Islamic lands will unit!"

Claims: Green
SOI: Light Green

http://i56.tinypic.com/33ah4rp.png

My sphere of influence is basically all of Brazil and Uruguay. Pedro II wishes to solve any diplomatic crisis peacefully.

Foreign Policy News:

President Marcus Perry and Chancellor Jacqueline Freeman have combined their efforts to pass monumental human rights legislation in the USSR:

Called the Act of Refuge, it has changed immigration quotas to be biased towards Canada and New England.

"Canada and New England are full of people they consider undesirable." President Perry stated, "For the betterment of all three of our nations, we are willing to accept these people with open arms. Dissidents from Canada, and liberals, communists, homosexuals, scientists, and non-Protestants from New England. These will make these societies more harmonious, and also allow us to take care of these people.

We encourage the Canadians and New Englanders to begin deportations en masse. We request the undesirables be allowed to take as many of their possessions as possible. We can only accept so many, but will gladly restrict immigration from elsewhere to facilitate this movement of people.

If necessary, we are willing to pay for their transit."

---

Military News:

Given the size of the USSR's economy(the regions together generated 3.7 trillion(26% of what the US made) in 2008), it has been decided that an extension of the USSR's overseas capabilities is not only necessary, but also affordable. It has been decided that the aircraft carrier fleet should be expanded to three(the USA has 11 as of 2010 so this is realistic), to be deemed the SRS Jefferson and SRS Constitution. There will naturally be overhauls in the size of smaller vessels so as to protect these vessels.

A surge in Caribbean piracy has convinced the President to authorise small numbers of troops to board major commercial vessels, or sometimes even have them be escorted by one or two naval vessels. The Chancellor has made sure any legal issues are taken care of, while it is now possible to claim ammunition and weapons against one's business taxes if one runs a trade-centered company.

The land and air forces are to be slightly expanded, but the navy will be the bulk of any expansion for some time to come, as the navy is the blood in the arteries of trade

Brasil also accepts any foreign refugee who is being oppressed.

I really want to play, but my comp is broken. Is there any way I could NPC a country temporarily?

No. I don't do NPCs except for rebels and really exceptional circumstances.

Caesar's Legion does not exist. Move along people...

Also, everyone, but particularly Omega124 and ilduce349, quit the OT chatter. This is your only warning.

Hmm, I haven't went through all the claims yet but it seems we have at least one double claim. Japan and Carthage are both claiming Singapore. You guys sort it out or I'll resolve it via a vote next turn.

I don't think either one should get it.

AHHH!! Theres 1/2 my claims being contested.

Italy, I politely request at least 1 province in the south, as I had already claimed the area around rome when you joined, and Had previously stated my goal to claim southern Italy.

@Japan- I am Willing to give up my claims in Taiwan, If you allow me to keep Singapore. I had already Claimed both of these regions when you posted, and am not willing to Give tham both up. I wish to find a peaceful soloution to this problem, but I will not give up both these areas.

@Everybody- The Cartheginian Union offers trade agreements to all nations except japan and Italy. We will offer them trade agreements once we have resolved our territorial Disputes.

If it's not too late Carthage will send a small task force (1 cruiser and 3 destroyers) to join the exercise off Puerto Rico.

OOC: I expect that this new Italy Nation will be the cause of a lot of disagreements, and respectfully recomend they move to a less crowded area, such as africa.

DT
So Many Problems... :crazyeye:

http://i.imgur.com/sudHN.png

Everyone, Italy does not exist. Link asked to be NPCed so I rejected his application.

Thank You TK!!!
now only 1/3 of my claims are in doubt.

I will now post what I consider my SOI. This overlaps with Japans, so as i said earlier I am willing to give up taiwan in exchange for singapore. Hawaii is also less important, and thus negotiateable.
Once these areas are claimed I will either continue claiming Islands, or claim parts of britain if that remains Unclaimed.

DT
Planning :think:

well...

Diplomacy:

Caliphate: Russian recognizes your SoI. you can recognize mine if you care. my SoI doesn't extend all the way down to the Russian border in the Caucasus.

Japan: your SoI is also recognized, but what is your reason for not claiming Siberia?

DT you can we trade for the Islands in the Indian Ocean, I'll give you every Island except Madagascar for Scrota, The Caliphate recognizes the Russian SOI

"Admiral, news from Italy!"

"What is it?"

"There was a massive slave revolt in Caesar's Legion! The entire government has collapsed and Italy is in a state of chaos."

Admiral Castro raised an eyebrow, "So?"

@NedimNapolean- Sure, I didn't want madagascar anyway. You claim one of those Islands and i'll swap, i'm not gonna just give it away this early on.

@Sonreal- Not quite a state of Chaos, Carthage is restoring order around Rome :)

DT
Conducting Diplomacy :shifty:

DT, its a deal on update 3 we will swap
Scotra has Muslims so you understand my SOI

Prime minister: Emperor Barabas, a country named Ceasers Legion had a massive slave revolt and the Empire collapsed.

Emperor Barabas: that just means more room for Carthage. to be honest, i was completely unaware of that nation, having being asleep. now, any *interesting* news?

Prime minister: well... what about the unsettled Russian border dispute with poland? and the Vast Siberian riches? and the Caucasus?

Emperor: *sigh* just claim everything that we can from the Russian Federation only.. we do not care if we lose a few Siberian provinces to the mongols or the Japanese peoples. the area whee Vladivostok, used to be from imperial china anyway. this also settles the border dispute with poland.. anythign else?

Prime Minister: no Sir, everything else can wait.

Emperor: alright then, i ahve work to do. something about all the empty nuclear silos...

The LA Times just released a political toon in relation to the recent events:

http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/3103/iot6politicaltoon.png

HEY WHERE'S CHUCK!!!!!!!!! Tiny Tim is temporarily ruling the country while Chuck looks for these evil inconsider...oh he's done, nevermind.

who's that guy in the background

Japan: your SoI is also recognized, but what is your reason for not claiming Siberia?

An agreement made between me and the Mongols.

@DT: We are discussing this in private.

Following Negotiations with Japan I have renounced my claim to Kaohsiung and instead claimed Great Nicobar Island. I also remove all islands east of Sumatra from my SOI, not including Hawaii. I also Sign a trade agreement With Japan.

DT
Dealin’ :deal:

Caesar's Legion does exist. I still intend to find a way to play in this.

An aide literally slides into the Admiral Castro's office in the Havana Naval Academy. Out of breathe, he states, "Caesar-has-taken-power-again-in-Italy-again."

Admiral Castro sighs, draws a pistol from his desk drawer, and shoots the aide. "Juanito! I need a new aide."

Caesar's Legion does exist. I still intend to find a way to play in this.

the Emperor is most displeased by this. by order fo the Emperor, your nation wuill not be recognized by russia. nor will you be allowed to speak to us. or trade to us. or even fart in the direction of Moscow. failure to comply with that will result in the Emperor being more displeased with you.

If Ceasers Legion does Exist, (which it may or may not) Could they please not occupy Italy, as this area is a significant part of Carthages SOI, and I would like to keep it. I suggest Africa as an Alternative, as the continent is rather empty.

DT
Securing the Area :deal:

Alternatively he could settle in Britannia or Egypt.

Japanese News:
Yesterday, Japan found herself on the brink of war with Carthage, when both of them attemped to seize the city of Singapore. Some people were worried that this border dispute would turn into a full scale war between the two powers. In the end, The Japanese handed over the city to Carthage in exchange for Taiwan, a country that was closer to Japan and politically, resembled more to the Japanese. Ilduce claimed that allthough the agreement didn't directly benefit Japan in anyway, it helped secure 5 important islands for the Pacific Federation, and as a result was highly beneficial. While he was their Ilduce also took the time to sign a trade agreement with Carthage, this is the first non-asian country to ever had open trade routes with Japan.

2000 rebels and 1 soldier died in Kuril today with the conflict showing no sign of slowing. Today was the first time in 13 years that a Japanese soldier has died while in service, he will be given an honorable funeral as soon as it becomes safe to take his body out of the war zone.

@Tanicusfox - I agree. Except that we will not deport them. Atheists and Agnostics and nonbelievers are deserving of nothing better then death! Homosexuals are a foul stench in the eyes of God, and we must save their souls! With fire! There are no Liberals! Only COMMUNISTS and PEOPLE! I find this deal an outrage! I swear that I shall . . .

What?

Oh . . . .

I agreed???

But . . . .

I'm a what?

Jenkins, you're not helping! Telling me that I shouldn't repeat everything you say to the cameras! I'm just going to repeat that to the cameras! Now get out of my sight!

Well, I refudiate my earlier statement. I will not accept this deal. Now if you'll excuse me, members of every international news network, I have to go check on the top-secret nuclear program that no one is allowed to know about. Who's coming with me? GOTCHA! THERE IS NO NUCLEAR PROGRAM! HE'S A SPY! ARREST THAT CUBAN MAN THERE! AND THE DONUT BOY! He's his handler, I can smell it over those krispy glazeds!!

<Security men rush in with batons and tasers, reporters scream, weapons fire, camera cuts to PLEASE STAND BY screen>

Translation: I refuse the deal. Also, I like the comparison between how many "undesirable" groups there are in Canada and NEC.

-L

Wow, after re-reading your opening post and this one. I have realized that there are more fascist nations in this game then I thought (The following is a list of fascists/borderline fascists in this game):
1. The Empire of Great Japan
2. The Reformed Ottoman Empire
3. Eralatuk
4. Danish Fascist Republic
5. USFCNP
6. The Empire of the Caribbean Sun
7. Confederation of New England

The People's Republic of Siberia
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20081119053307/althistory/images/2/26/Siberia_flag.png
http://i773.photobucket.com/albums/yy18/MasterOfDumb/peoplesrepublicofsibeira.png

Short name: Siberia

Color: Navy Blue

President: Maxa

Government: Republic

Religion: Christanity

Capital: Noril'sk

Languages: Yakut and Khanty

Currency: Ruble

Population: A measly 4.5 million.

Military: Small, at least for now.

History: Since the fall of the Russian Federation, It's provinces have been split into tiny nations. It stayed that way until 2087, when stronger nations took advantage of these small nations and annexed them. But Siberia rebelled, and liberated those small nations. Siberia decided to unite the Arctic, and they are now the People's Republic of Siberia.

The Federation of Central Europe hereby formally recognizes the Republic of Siberia and hope we can come to peaceful relations between our two nations.

To: The Danish Fascists
Can we have a NAP to preserve peace..

Frances SOI275412

http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/129209619067142367.jpg

Way too big.

An slap bang in the middle of me.. he even claimed some of my ACTUAL claims as his SOI!

6. The Empire of the Caribbean Sun


We're technically not Fascist any more now that the Transitional Government of Havana is up and running.

We're technically not Fascist any more now that the Transitional Government of Havana is up and running.
awwwww, any chance you'll come back to the right side?

The People's Republic of Siberia
http://i773.photobucket.com/albums/yy18/MasterOfDumb/peoplesrepublicofsibeira.png

Soviet Siberia? next to Imperial Russia?

i am not pleased. that is a grave threat to not only Russia, but other countries as well.

awwwww, any chance you'll come back to the right side?

No

Soviet Siberia? next to Imperial Russia?


This will totally work out in the end.

To the Prime Minister of the Federation of Central Europe:
In the interest of promoting the exchange of goods and services between our nations, the Republic of Poland offers an open trade agreement, whereby our respective economic strengths may be combined for mutual prosperity.

Way too big.
It's 10 provinces. :p

Soviet Siberia? next to Imperial Russia?

i am not pleased. that is a grave threat to not only Russia, but other countries as well
I offer a defensive pact with Imperial Russia. This threat not only comes close to a fellow isolationist, but this nation is to close to Asia for my liking.

To the Prime Minister of the Federation of Central Europe:
In the interest of promoting the exchange of goods and services between our nations, the Republic of Poland offers an open trade agreement, whereby our respective economic strengths may be combined for mutual prosperity.

The Federation agrees to this agreement and we hope this is the beginning of a fruitful relationship between our two nations.

the Emperor immediately accepts the defensive pact, stating that Russian neutrality can be bent under exceptional circumstances. and this is one of them.

I have seen how many other nations have been making large claims to huge regions of land, calling them SOI's, so I shall do the same for Spain, except without a fancy map. I intend to expand my great New Spanish Empire to the rest of Iberia, and into some of North Africa, though I do not wish to have any ill will with Carthage, and I also am considering expanding into either the British Isles or into Italy, though that is very up to negotiation. In the distant future I want to reclaim some of the historically Spanish land in the Americas, but only to liberate them from local warlords and anarchy; I do not wish to interfere with any legitimate governements.

Translation: I refuse the deal. Also, I like the comparison between how many "undesirable" groups there are in Canada and NEC.-L

The President's deal was unanimous; apart from standard security forces, any individual without health or criminal issues will be admitted to the USSR. It will be up to New England to try and stop the flow westward.

Conservative Party: ...May we suggest a new Berlin wall along west Michigan? :D

OOC: Well your country's stigmatised minorities are more visual than Canada's... :p So I had more diversity to choose from.

An slap bang in the middle of me.. he even claimed some of my ACTUAL claims as his SOI!

I think you're confusing IOT VI and SoM... you may want to drop out of one if it'll be an issue. :p

The Union of new carthage offers trade agreements to all nations, and wishes to Sign open border agreements with Spain, the Carribbean Sun, and the Pacific Federation. We feel that the Island Nations should be united, and would like closer relations with Spain due to our close spheres, and the importance of Trade through Gibralter for the Union. We will happily allow spain to claim northern Italy, but encorage them to seek land outside of Europe.

We also encourage Closer ties amongst the European nations, as we seek stability, in politics and Economics, in a region right on our Doorstep. We request Eralatuk inform us of their Claiming Intentions, as we would like to know how much we can expand to the south in later years.

It may be a little late, but we express our support for a peaceful partition of the crowded North America. We are happy to see a lack of conflicts in South America, and Urge the Russian States to attempt a similarly peaceful agreement in splitting the Area. We would like to remain Neutral in any discussions, but we will admit a bias in favour of the original Russian Empire due to their similarly Independant and Neutral policies.

DT
Political Declarations :)

The Caribbean Sun would be happy to trade with Carthage should Spain allow our merchant navy through Gibraltar.

I think you're confusing IOT VI and SoM... you may want to drop out of one if it'll be an issue. :p

No, you are :p

SoM I have moved to China/Russia.

IOTVI I am still Afrikkka!

Russia will, of course, attempt a peaceful solution with Soviet Siberia.

Soviet Siberia, how do you think we should split up Russian lands?

As of now, I have decided to open Gibralter to all nations, though there will be a high tax on all ships that I do not have trade deals with, and a lower rate for nations that I chose to sign trade agreements with.

I have made agreements with the Federation of Central Europe to trade with them, and I accept agreements with Carthage and The Caribbean Sun. I would very much like it if Spain could particapate in your trading relations. I want my nation to be focused on trade, so I see that this could benefit all of our nations.

@Carthage, I will stay largely out of North Africa and let you chose your land, as you have a much better claim to it. My original intent was to secure the Straight of Gibralter, but many of my people have began to settle into more land, and are making a living off of the shipping traffic in the area. As to Italy and England, my main purpose was to secure them from corrupt warlords and anarchy, and if another nation will do the same, then I can be happy.

The Caribbean Sun doesn't mind if Carthage doesn't mind. We would be happy if Spain participated in trade with Cuba.

Japan has no control on the imports or exports of the nation, as all good can enter or exit the country tax free and since there are no illegal narcotics (just guns being the only illegal object in Japan). However if you are not a Japanese citizen, you need to pay a hefty entrance fee to get into the country. However Japan has a list of country's which people are exempt from paying that tax. The current list is as follows:
All of Asia (except Siberia and Australia)
Russia
Carthage

Carthage Is Delighted to have Spain Join a trade agreement with the Union and the Caribbean Sun. This sort of mutual trading agreement is the Goal of Cartheginian Foregien Policy, and we are happy to be able to Sign One Already. The ambassador Informs the Spanish Government that their Goals in north Africa are Limited, and the Union seeks to expand only 1 province further West, being more focused on Italy, and Trding posts throughout the Wider World. We inform them that once Southern Italy is secure we will likely expand north, and so there is little need for them to intervene to bring Peace.

DT
Trading Happily :D

Russian forgein diplomacy

Russia will establish embassies in all nations except Soviet Siberia (too tense right now). it will be located in their capital cities.

also, we completely forgot to establish trading relations with other nations. so i offer trading agreements to Poland, Japan, Mongolia, the Caliphate and the Ottoman Empire.

Maxa gladly accepts this peace treaty, and wonders how to split up Russia.


Maxa's goal is to unite the Arctic, so he thinks that he'll take the north, and Imperial Russia can have the south. His mapmakers are working on a Treaty of Russia as we speak.

Speaking of Embassies? The Caribbean Sun would more than happy to have an embassy opened in our capital and an embassy opened in other nations except Caesar's Legion (whatever's going on there that is).

Maxa gladly accepts this peace treaty, and wonders how to split up Russia.


Maxa's goal is to unite the Arctic, so he thinks that he'll take the north, and Imperial Russia can have the south. His mapmakers are working on a Treaty of Russia as we speak.

what about Murmansk and Arkhangelsk? sorry but these are good naval cities.

Burgundy would like to make it known that, in addition to its ancestral lands in the Low Countries, that they intend to reactivate the Auld Alliance with the Scots and Irish and bring Burgundian security to these distressed peoples. We also intend to settle the Afrikaans regions of South Africa, in life with our Dutch heritage.

A good Point Is Raised, and Carthage Also proposes Establishment Of Embassies in all other Nations, and Is willing to Have Embassies from any Nation opened within It's borders. It attepmts to reassure the Caribbean that the Nation of Caesers Legions is, at the current time, effective Fiction Due to It's inability to Rule, and should be considered a local warlord, until a legitimate Authority arises (the GM says otherwise.)

DT
Clarification :)

also, we completely forgot to establish trading relations with other nations. so i offer trading agreements to Poland, Japan, Mongolia, the Caliphate and the Ottoman Empire.The Republic agrees to limited trade at this time.

The Caribbean Sun would more than happy to have an embassy opened in our capital and an embassy opened in other nations except Caesar's Legion (whatever's going on there that is).
A good Point Is Raised, and Carthage Also proposes Establishment Of Embassies in all other Nations, and Is willing to Have Embassies from any Nation opened within It's borders.A Polish ambassadorial delegation shall be dispatched forthwith.

Russian forgein diplomacy

Russia will establish embassies in all nations except Soviet Siberia (too tense right now). it will be located in their capital cities.

also, we completely forgot to establish trading relations with other nations. so i offer trading agreements to Poland, Japan, Mongolia, the Caliphate and the Ottoman Empire.

The Federation of Central Europe is deeply insulted no envoys where sent to our nation.

Burgundy would like to make it known that, in addition to its ancestral lands in the Low Countries, that they intend to reactivate the Auld Alliance with the Scots and Irish and bring Burgundian security to these distressed peoples. We also intend to settle the Afrikaans regions of South Africa, in life with our Dutch heritage.

We would like to announce a trade agreement, non aggression pact and defensive alliance is now in effect between Burgundy and The Federation and we fully support their influence in South Africa, the Low Countries and Ireland/Scotland.

A good Point Is Raised, and Carthage Also proposes Establishment Of Embassies in all other Nations, and Is willing to Have Embassies from any Nation opened within It's borders. It attepmts to reassure the Caribbean that the Nation of Caesers Legions is, at the current time, effective Fiction Due to It's inability to Rule, and should be considered a local warlord, until a legitimate Authority arises (the GM says otherwise.)

DT
Clarification :)


A Polish ambassadorial delegation shall be dispatched forthwith.

Caribbean ambassadors are being sent to your respective nations. :)

I refuse to have embassy's set up in my nation's capital.

Taiwan will be the closest your diplomats will be allowed to come. (I'm isolationist remember)

So far here is a list of Embassy's established in Taiwan:
Pacific Federation
Russia
Carthage
Caliphate

Here is a list of Embassy's established in China:
Mongolia
Preatoria

Any other nations will need to have a diplomat flown in, if you want to make any agreements.

In addition to our new pact with the Central European Federation, the Burgundian government is sending out diplomats throughout the Mediterranean, chiefly to Spain, Carthage, the Ottomans and the Caliphate, looking to forge trading relations throughout this most important of seas.

what about Murmansk and Arkhangelsk? sorry but these are good naval cities.

Maybe you take Arkhangelsk, and I'll take Murmansk?

We will be establishing relations to every nation except the Ceaser's legion one

@central europe: ah, oops. i didn't think you would care. um.. trading agreement?

@Soviet Siberia: ill take Murmansk, you take Arkhangelsk. it'll look better anyway.

Great idea. My mapmakers are now throwing their version of the Treaty of Moscow in the trash.

To Duke Phillip V of Burgundy:
Salutations to your esteemed majesty. A friend of the Federation is a friend of ours; as a demonstration of goodwill and in the interest of European peace, the Republic of Poland cordially offers to establish trading relations with the Burgundian nation, and pledges a pact of non-aggression that we may continue to build closer bonds in the ensuing years.

The Treaty of Moscow

A map of Imperial Russia's claims(pink) and Soviet Siberia's claims(blue) of western Russia has been made:
http://i773.photobucket.com/albums/yy18/MasterOfDumb/treaty.png
Please request any changes you want to it.

You forget that Eastern Russia is part of Mongolia's SOI. You will also need to draw a map taking into account what they want.

To the Polish Republic:

We would be happy to commit to a trade & non-aggression agreement, in-line with our future expansion into the North Sea. We look forward to co-existing peacefully with the northern powers of Europe.

On behalf of the nation of Spain, I, King Matteo Martinez, gladly accepts trade agreements with Burgandy. Hopefully this will lead to closer ties with our neighbors. Enjoy your discounted use of Gibralter! While we are in diplomatic talks, what are your plans for expansion in Italy, the British Isles, and our border in the Pyrrenes? I propose a traditional border in the Pyrrenes, and am willing to negotiate on Andorra.

I am also very pleased about the trade relations with Carthage and Caribbean Sun!

I will accept diplomats from any country into Spain, though I would prefer that all embassies be kept in the city of Barcelona. I am trying to enact some internal reforms, including conservation projects of historic Madrid, and am trying to keep new developement to a minimum. I am also willing to set up embassies in any nation that will allow me to do so.

To Matteo, King of Spain:

We plan to settle Scotland and Ireland, whilst leaving England for France and the farflung northern isles for the Scandinavian states. We were considering expansion into Milan, but we have no extensive designs upon Italy.

@Maxa: You should really claim more than that...

The Treaty of Moscow

A map of Imperial Russia's claims(pink) and Soviet Siberia's claims(blue) of western Russia has been made:
http://i773.photobucket.com/albums/yy18/MasterOfDumb/treaty.png
Please request any changes you want to it.

very vague to be honest. do you mean i get all central Asian states? and you ahve to consider Mongolia's wishes. i'll draw something up.

BREAKING NEWS: Plane hijacked on flight from Havana to Barcelona

News is still coming in but from what we gather here at CNS is that an unknown terrorist organization has hijacked an airliner heading from Havana to Barcelona. How this happened or why is currently unknown."

Is it too late for me to join?

Is it too late for me to join?

As long as you avoid going into North America, not really.

removed.

Is it too late for me to join?

And Europe.

Africa and South America both have very few people in them...

x-post:
@Math: Your map of Mongolia goes into Preatorian SOI. I think Mongolia will not be pleased with the suggested map, given that half his SOI is under Siberian rule. Kazakstan should be given to Mongolia, as Siberia only wanted the arctic coast.

Klein Venedig is interested in opening embassies in any nation except Caesar's Legion (if it still exists). It would also be interested in opening trade with Carthage and Spain.

Is it too late for me to join?

Britain is still completely uninhabited.

@Grue: What nation are you?

Africa and South America both have very few people in them...

x-post:
@Math: Your map of Mongolia goes into Preatorian SOI. I think Mongolia will not be pleased with the suggested map, given that half his SOI is under Siberian rule. Kazakstan should be given to Mongolia, as Siberia only wanted the arctic coast.

fine, fine, fine. please wait for version 3.

Moscow Treaty Version 3

this is where the internal Russian border will be. i do not care for anything outside of Russia proper.

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j195/mathalamus/NewBitmapImage2-11.jpg

i took Arkhangelsk, but you will be compensated by these: (i believe the two Russians should effectively merge, but still de facto independent.)

1. Free Access to All cities. you can even move your capital to Moscow. we can build something for you or you can build it yourself.
2. the ability to construct a navy, by the above free Access to all cities.
3. a Completely open border.
4. a Full Alliance.

Treaty of Moscow Verison 2

i made a larger map, and added a Mongolian Sphere of influence (assumed, since i don't know what he wants). be sure that mongolia and Soviet Siberia will have to negotiate their border.

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j195/mathalamus/NewBitmapImage-23.jpg

i know i know, i took Arkhangelsk, but...

Soviet Siberia will have Exclusive acess to the prt cities of Novosibirsk, St petersburg, Murmansk, and Arkhangelsk. basically half the ports will be rented to them free of charge.

obviously, i want Imperial Russia and Soviet Siberia to be.. well, best friends, practically.

A much better treaty. I fire my head mapmaker for his failures.

@Domination3000:

Soviet Siberia wishes to learn what the Mongolian claim interests are. Please reply so we can discuss.

My interests are all of Asia, but I have no intentions of actually having all of Asia.

I'm pretty open minded, but if I could get Eastern parts of Russia (Leaving the West and Central sections with Math), Mongolia, Northeast China, and North Korea, I'd be happy.

I'm pretty open minded, but if I could get Eastern parts of Russia (Leaving the West and Central sections with Math), Mongolia, Northeast China, and North Korea, I'd be happy.
You do realize your talking to Siberia? Eastern Russia is owned by him.

My sincerest apologies, I hadn't read the last two pages. I had no intention of Conquest. Frankly, if you give me a foothold of 8 provinces anywhere in Russia, I'll be content with that. At least as far as Russia goes.

would 7 territories in Russia and all of Kazakstan work for you? Because thats what I think your getting...

Sure, I'd be glad to give my eighth territory up in that case. But I still want to discuss China and North Korea.

take that to the Asian Union group

Treaty of Karakorum(Prototype)

http://i773.photobucket.com/albums/yy18/MasterOfDumb/treaty-1.png

Complete with Mongolian and Siberian interests!

Please request any changes.

@Grue: What nation are you?

Republik Klein-Venedig, the pale yellow country around the former Venezuela.

As Japan, I reject that map due to having both my claims and preatorias claims for the round fall under mongol territory. Who controls Russia and Kazakstan is what you are debating, and we would prefer that you leave Asia out of the mix.

I'd accept that, but since Ilduce is likely to want a piece of my Eastern land, I'd like a bit more in Central Asia.

I already stated my SOI. I will not go any further into your SOI Dommy.

I am willing to accept our original deal, but I'd like to discuss something in PM. I'll PM you.

Another Prototype
http://i773.photobucket.com/albums/yy18/MasterOfDumb/treaty-2.png

This time Japanese and Praetorian claims have been introduced.

I propose that New England take over management of all this land to avoid conflict. Eh, eh?

What did you call me, Jenkins?????

Jenkins . . . .

<gunshot>

Right, now announcing that the position of my secretary is open! Apply now! Life employment! Mediocre pay!

-L

Just no. Whoever blue is just seriously cut into my land.

Praetorian Claims
http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/3394/ioviturn1claims.png

The Praetorians had claims there.

@Arakhor- I'd be happy to agree to a trade agreement. You have stated an intention to claim south africa, and I have already claimed the west Cape area. I would like to keep this, but am happy to allow you the rest of the Region. If you feel you have reason to claim in scotland and Ireland then Carthage supports your doing so.

@Math- I to am disappointed you didn't offer to trade with Carthage. :(

@Sonereal- Carthage sends condolences to all who lost freinds or relatives in the recent Incident. Is this plane Hijacking a reason for worry? As a trading Nation Carthage is highly concerned with security of it's trade routes, and a lost cargo ship would be terrible thing.

Carthage is watching with Interest the discussions in Moscow, and hopes the final treaty will be satisfactory for all involved. We support the Idea of at least some alliance between the russian nations, as we feel it will aid stability in the World. War may be more profitable, but the Union is Comitted to peace. We are similarly interested in the Karakorum talks.

DT
Diplomating :)

@praeetoria- I'm prepared to fight to keep you out of Northeast China. West is fine, South is fine with me (Though Ilduce may have issue) but Northeast China is between me and Ilduce. Your new Northern claims must be revoked. PM me if you'd like a deal.

he rennounced the northern one when I asked him to. I think we can agree to that. We can iron out the details in China later, but I like how Russia looks in that one.

x-post: This is talking about the newest math offer by max the great

ok, Carthage, a trade agreement is offered. and, just because, a trading agreement will be offered to all nations.

@Grue- Sorry, missed your Request. Carthage is happy to Trade with Klein Vendig, and would like to set up an embassy in your country.

@Math- Thank you. Carthage will send you a special shipment of Cold Weather Mechanical Parts at 60% of the usual cost!

Upon further Reflection Carthage Proposes Open Border and trade agreements with, Eralatuk, Burgundy, The Caliphate, and The Ottoman Empire. We wish to help foster Peace in the Mediteranian and North Africa, and Trade is the Best way to that. We Also Offer Spain and the Caribbean Mutual Defense Pacts. The World is fast Changing and we beleive that standing together is the best way to avoid change leading to War.

We Inquire to Praetoria, to what extent do you intend to expand In India? We would like to consider establishing Trading posts there later, and would like to Know how feasable This is.

DT
Diplomacy :shifty:

@Dem Taqat- I think I speak for all Asia when I say STAY THE HECK OUT OF INDIA. Singapore was bad enough, we aren't willing to let you have any more of Asia. Asia should be for Asians. Stay out.

@Dommination-Alright! I was just thinking it looked Empty. I'll stick with the west.

DT
Reigning in his Ambitions :undecide:

@ Carthage: I appreciate the offer, but right now, I'm waiting to see what happens. I fear entering into an alliance rashly and then becoming overly obligated to an alliance and being pulled into wars or uncomfortable situations as a thrid party. I want to wait until the new world order developes more before I sign any defense or other military treaties. Thank you for the offer; I hope you will understand.

@Spain- I expected you to say Something Like that. I can certainly Understand Given My Disagreements with countries in Asia. I hope we can Sign Something In a few Years Time.

DT
On a Losing Streak :(

@DT: Its simple. Stay out of Asia (except the agreed territories in our discussion) and we will stay out of you. Unless you go back on this agreement, we wont.

@Asia- I got the Message. Don't worry, I won't break our agreement. I'm just looking around for where I can and can't Expand in the Future, guageing reactions to see If: a) I will be able to go there and b) What people will think of me Going there. Asia is obviously not worth the Diplomatic repurcussions.

DT
Browsing for Claims :shifty:

@Taqat- Don't take it too personal, we don't hate you. Its just that Asia (Precisely what this entails is under debate) is under Union SOI, and all expansions there must be approved by us. India is especially important because of its role in keeping Preatoria out of conflict with us over China. You can do whatever you want in Africa, we won't give a crap, but Asia belongs to the Union, though the claims you already have we have deemed valid and so you can keep those.

The Way I understnd it, anything Past Arabia is Barred from non asians, with the exception of the Islands we Negotiated. Is that correct?

DT
Confirming 'Asia' :)

That is correct (except Australia and New Zealand)
Anyway Africa, South America, Europe, North America. Those 4 continents all have land you could claim.

NORTH AMERICA??? That continent has 5 Civs!

I see what you mean, but it's just my nature to push for more when Trying to Get land. I do it no Matter what game I'm playing, I can't help myself. Does Sri Lanka count as somewhere I can't go? I don't think I'm allowed there, but I just want to be Sure.

DT
Restraining his Ambition Again :(

NORTH AMERICA??? That continent has 5 Civs!
Asia has 8 (counting Ottomans and Russia). Mexico is completely open though...

I see what you mean, but it's just my nature to push for more when Trying to Get land. I do it no Matter what game I'm playing, I can't help myself. Does Sri Lanka count as somewhere I can't go? I don't think I'm allowed there, but I just want to be Sure.
Can't go there. Sorry.

Asia Is a LOT BIGGER than North America. Thanks for Clarifiying Sri Lanka, I will now go draw a line on my map with the words 'You shall not Pass' written on it, and Write 'Here Be Dragons' In Asia. We should probably stop posting about this now, it's gonna become spammy fairly soon.

DT
Drawin' with Crayons :D

@Carthage, as your friend, I'd recomend just claiming without asking. If you get that many no's, just claim something, and if it looks like it's going to come to war, renounce the claim. I'm only asking becuase I seem to have reasonable neighbors, and I have alot of land that I can use as a backup plan. (OOC: That's how I usually play, and it's worked for me in the past)

I ask Because the Asian Countries are Fairly Touchy about that stuff, and I don't want it to seem like I'm breaking my deal with them. Thanks for the Advise though, I'll try that when I'm in a less Tense Area.

DT
Thanking A Freind :D

He claimed in Taiwan and I pmed him about pulling out of Asia. We ended up coming to an agreement. But both Civplayah and Dommy want a war with Carthage because he owns Singapore. And Preatoria is prepared to attack if he claims any more in Asia.

So heres my advice. Claiming in Asia without our consent will give you a war with 4 people. If you bring in allies, it could be a world war.

edit x-post

The New South African Union (NSAU)

Leader: Manyara Chidiebube
Religion: The NSAU has no state religion, though Christianity and traditional African religions hold dominance in the region.
Languages: Afrikaans, English, Ndebele, Northern Sotho, Sotho, Swazi, Tswana, Tsonga, Venda, Xhosa and Zulu are the official languages of the NSAU, though it also recognizes several other unofficial languages.
Capital: Johannesburg is the official capital of the NSAU, though individual organizations may house there headquarters in other cities.
Government structure: The NSAU has a unique style of governance. At the basic level, you have the independent nations, which hold a good deal of sovereignty over their individual areas. However, above them is the very powerful supranational union of the Greater Federal Union (GFU). The GFU is the union of three major organizations (the Trade Union, the Assegai, and the United African Parliament (UAP)) which hold a great deal of influence and control over specific aspects of the government. The Trade Union deals heavily with economic issues, the Assegai deal with law enforcement, intelligence gathering, and special military operation, and the UAP houses the main legislative and executive bodies. The UAP is the most open to the populace, with a tricameral National Congress which deals with interstate legislature. The Assembly of States is directly elected by the people of the member nations, based on proportionality. The National Senate is comprised of members elected by the governers of each nation. Judicial duties are divided amongst the three, depending on the area of expertise. Each of these three organizations contribute three members to the Grand Council, which is designed to keep each organization's power in check. The Grand Council also forms the third part of the National Congress.
Economy: The NSAU employs a mixed economic model. A majority of the economy is local market based economies, with larger, regional companies existing in major urban areas. Certain key industries have been nationalized and placed under control of the Trade Union. Interstate and international corporations are carefully scrutinized and subject to regulation, but are not directly in government control.
Military: The NSAU holds a fairly powerful military force. The army and air force are given considerable attention, while the navy is almost none existent. Command of the military is divided amongst the three partners of the GFU. In addition, each nation with the NSAU holds a small self-defense force.
Legal: The NSAU holds a some socially liberal stance on politics. Its main concerns are combating economic inequality, social injustice, and is known to have passed several progressive laws concerning civil liberties.
Development: The NSAU is considered to be a developing nation. It is currently reaching close to the level of development of South Africa in the early 21st century. Science and technology are not yet at 1st world standards, but recent investments into these fields have seen a minor increase in these areas.
Foreign policy: The NSAU seeks to bring peace and stability to as much of Africa as they can. The NSAU is willing to use whatever means necessary to complete this, though they prefer to do things through diplomatic channels and humanitarian missions.
Description: After the massive upheavals of the mid-21st cetury and the global destruction brougth about by the Plague, the government of South Africa quickly began loosing control of various regions. lawlessness soon struck the country, with various ethnic groups and warlords gaining powers. Out of this chaos, three major organizations arose; the Trade Union, the Assegai, and the United African Parliament. These organizations quickly began to bring the nation under their control, united various factions and bringing stability to the region. They eventually joined together to create the NSAU, combining their resources. The NSAU has recently enjoyed great prosperity, due to the help of the IUN.



http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/5871/iotclaims.jpg (http://img809.imageshack.us/i/iotclaims.jpg/)

@Celt- I already Claimed the West Cape, but it is obviously your core Territory. If We agree to exchange It for something next turn, say you Claimng Something In Italy next turn and Swapping then we could Resolve any Disputes that may Arise. I would also like to Propose A trading Agreement and an open Borders treaty, to ensure goodwill between The Nations of Africa.

DT
Another Border Dispute :(

We have talked to both Burgundy (Arakhor) and Polska (Thorvald of Lym) about this and we announce the following lands in our SoI.
Color referance:

Darker blue: Home territories (Germany)
Lighter blue: Countries we claim, Austria, Czech Republic, Slovakia, 1/2 of Switzerland, Hungary, Bosnia, Croatia and Slovenia.

@ Carthage

We will recognize your claim to Italy if you recognize our SOI (light blue)
http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=275347&d=1292126021

OOC: Fine, I'll change it to something else for now. Are there any other claims I should be aware of?

Looks Reasonable to me. Carthage ackowlages The Federation Of Central Europe's SOI as seen in the Above Map.

Carthage also offers the FoCE a trade agreement, and requests to be allowed to construct an embassy in the Federations Capital.

Edit:OOC: Thank You Celt. You could try Central Africa, or South america, or Britain.
Edit: I think I may have misinterpreted it. I don't think there are any other claims in that area though

DT
Politicin' :shifty:

Looks Reasonable to me. Carthage ackowlages The Federation Of Central Europe's SOI as seen in the Above Map.

Carthage also offers the FoCE a trade agreement, and requests to be allowed to construct an embassy in the Federations Capital.

Edit:OOC: Thank You Celt. You could try Central Africa, or South america, or Britain.

DT
Politicin' :shifty:

This is certainly agreeable.

(The Third) Hellenic Imperium
http://www.greece-map.net/images/greek-flag-greece.jpg
Governmental Structure
Current Reigning Government: The Third Imperial Administration
The rise of a nationalist myth in the post-annihilation period gave way to the rise of a nationalist government in Greece. Establishing military and economic control throughout the region, the "Hellenic Imperium" was proclaimed. The reigning Emperor, currently Alexander V of the "New Hellenic dynasty" maintains power as sovereign, but defers in internal matters to the government of the Prime Minister. The Prime Minister, who is elected by the members of the Imperial Parliament, orders internal affairs and is the voice of internal government. The sovereign Emperor maintains power of foreign policy and sovereignty, and it is his voice that calls for war, peace, or the sale or transfer of sovereign territory, et cetera. During the early years of the Imperium, parliamentarian positions were appointive based on the whim of the Emperor, although the Progressive movement of recent years has finally begun to break down imperial hold over the Imperial Parliament, and the positions therein are now elective. Parliamentarians have the right to vote and hold council over laws which effect the internal and domestic affairs of the Imperium, and the Prime Minister has the authority of the Emperor to sign or dismiss these laws as he or she sees fit. The reigning Prime Minister is Sarah Llezysk.

Acknowledged Political Parties
There are various acknowledged political organizations or parties within the Imperial Parliament. Non-acknowledged parties are considered illegal gatherings of subversive individuals, and the term is generally known to be used to refer to terrorist or extremist groups which hold no seats in Parliament, either by consensus or by law.

Conservative Party
The continuation of the Nationalist Party, the Conservative Party was born at the end of the Second Imperial Administration and spearheaded the creation of the Third. The Nationalist Party, reigning since the Imperium was first proclaimed, during the appointive period held the entirety of seats in Parliament. The Progressive Revolutions which ended the First and Second Imperial Administrations forced the various adaptations of the Nationalist Party, until eventually it softened its tone both in name and manner with the creation of the Conservative Party. While the Nationalist Party maintained a bombastic rhetoric proclaiming the absolute justice of the imperial government, the Conservative Party professes only to wish the maintenance of imperial government, and the respect of the "Imperial traditions" established during the First Imperial Administration. It is the antithesis of the Progressive Party.

Progressive Party
The Progressive Party was born from the presumed failure of the First Imperial Administration, and saw its success therein with the "Progressive Revolution" which is generally agreed to be a particularly dramatic term used to refer to the reforms that resulted in the creation of the Second and Third Imperial Administrations, both milder than the last in their absolution regarding the power of the Imperial government. The Progressive Party maintains that a policy of reducing the power of the Imperial government is most beneficial to the greater welfare of the Imperium, and has formed coalitions with the Republican Party in order to head off the formerly-prevalent Nationalist majority.

Republican Party
The Republican Party is the furthest extreme of Progressive thought, spawned with the Third Imperial Administration as part of the reforms therein, and has campaigned since its inception for abolishing the Imperial government and the formation of a "pure parliamentary republic". Despite a nominal alliance in mutual interest with the Progressive Party, the Republican Party's dogmatic rhetoric loses it much favor among the average citizen, who on the whole looks on the Imperial government as a badge of honor for the Greek people, and it is generally too-often tied to various "terrorist-subversive" organizations which wreak havoc in Upper Macedonia.

Language
Greek is the official language of the Imperium, and all governmental matters are conducted therein, as are all papers related to government (census forms, archives, so on and so forth) while the languages spoken throughout the Imperium are varied, although Greek is the acknowledged majority language, and the language of politics and commerce.

Capital
Athens, often referred to as the Imperial City, is the seat of Imperial government, wherein is located the Parliament House and its environs, as well as the Imperial Palace. The Imperial Palace is for the most part rather unimpressive when compared to the palatial homes of the emperors and monarchs of times gone past, but is decadent for its time and place, and is generally denounced by Progressive politicians as a call-back to the "Nationalist Era" and the First Imperial Administration.

National Anthem
Hymn of the Hellenic Unity

Claims
http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/4834/gippm.png

Carthage welcomes the Hellenic Imperium to the World Stage. We respectfully request you recognize our SOI in Italy and, if so, offer you a trade agreement and open borders treaty to aid Meditarainian Unity.

DT
Politicin' :shifty:

so a proper Greek government controls Greece. Russia is pleased. anyway, the Emperor of Russia offers a trading agreement.

OOC: After investigating both treads, I have decided to change my staring points to this (the islands are Hawaii.)

http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/5871/iotclaims.jpg (http://img560.imageshack.us/i/iotclaims.jpg/)

From: The Hellenic Imperium
To: Carthage, Russia
We accept your proposals.

@ Carthage

We will recognize your claim to Italy if you recognize our SOI (light blue)
http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=275347&d=1292126021

We wish to remain friendly to The Hellinic imperium and hope you accept our soi

We wish to remain friendly to The Hellinic imperium and hope you accept our soi

We do, and hope that other nations in the Mediterranean and across the globe recognize the north-eastern Balkans as within the Hellenic sphere of influence.

We do, and hope that other nations in the Mediterranean and across the globe recognize the north-western Balkans as within the Hellenic sphere of influence.
I have no interest in Europe. As long as you stay out of Asia, I couldn't care less about what happens to you.

NORTH AMERICA??? That continent has 5 Civs!

Not to mention almost all of it has been divided by Canada, the USSR, the NCR, New England, and the Caribbean Sun as per several treaties. We don't have an organisation to protect these claims just yet, but if Japan and Asia are going to be promoting expansion into NA, the USSR will work to strengthen defensive pacts in the area.

Asia has 8 (counting Ottomans and Russia). Mexico is completely open though...

The USSR likes how Japan and its allies have cordoned off Asia but are glad to sell out any other continent and disregard the locals there.

You also ignore the spheres of influence of the various states; North America's nations have all agreed on how the continent should be split. There are five of us and five of you.

We recommend Carthage to focus on Africa to avoid tensions with anyone, as well as strengthen their home territory.

Eralatuk - The Desert Empire

SoI:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=275473&d=1292236670

N South Africa for Burgundy then, in multiple different ways. That's a ridiculous SoI, Abaddon.

To Japan and other possible Colonial Powers

To reiterate, North America and Mexico are already divied up between the USSR, NCR, NEC, Canada, and the Caribbean Sun. The Caribbean, for the most part, is within the Caribbean Sun's influence and we won't accept colonial powers within this region.

The North American powers that be all have an interest in maintaining the statues quo in the region.

The Caliphate

To the Hellenic Empire
We welcome and we wish to have nice relations, the Turks are a problem to me Russia and you so I invite you to join our hunt

To everyone
Post your flags so I can make poland balls of you!

Burgundy's is a white flag with a red ragged saltire, as in EU III.

Caliphate, Japan and Russia POLAND BALL!
http://i55.tinypic.com/5d9ysh.png

N South Africa for Burgundy then, in multiple different ways. That's a ridiculous SoI, Abaddon.

The USSR concurs with Burgundy on the absurdity of Eralatuk's sphere of influence.

To Japan and other possible Colonial Powers

To reiterate, North America and Mexico are already divied up between the USSR, NCR, NEC, Canada, and the Caribbean Sun. The Caribbean, for the most part, is within the Caribbean Sun's influence and we won't accept colonial powers within this region.

The North American powers that be all have an interest in maintaining the statues quo in the region.

The USSR echoes this statement. We don't have an interest in the wider world at this juncture other than possible trade partners and friendly relations, but we do have an interest in our backyard.

The Caliphate

To everyone
Post your flags so I can make poland balls of you!

http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/3571/ussrflag.png

The USSR's flag.

Caribbean Flag

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bd/Flag_of_Cuba.svg

Since everyone is claiming SOIs, I hereby claim my SOI to be Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Northern Iran and Central Asia.

@Nedim Napoleon
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Ottoman_Flag.svg/150px-Ottoman_Flag.svg.png

@New Carthage

The Ottoman Empire accepts this trade agreement. I hope we can achieve peace and prosperity in the Mediterranean.
- Grand Vizier Yusuf Keskin

http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/2585/flagnewenglandalliance.jpg

That answer your question?:p

-L

Farsight, thats my SOI, you can have Greece Bulgaria the Caucasus but the holy land and Iraq is my I already claimed it

Then how about a compromise: you get southern Iran and Iraq, and I get the northern parts + Central Asia (the ancestral homeland of the Turks)

ok deal, so you get Kurdistan (North Iraq and Iran) I get south Iran South Iraq

To Japan and other possible Colonial Powers

To reiterate, North America and Mexico are already divied up between the USSR, NCR, NEC, Canada, and the Caribbean Sun. The Caribbean, for the most part, is within the Caribbean Sun's influence and we won't accept colonial powers within this region.

The North American powers that be all have an interest in maintaining the statues quo in the region.

The NCR echos this statement as well. Were quite content not having our boat not rocked by external forces.


To everyone
Post your flags so I can make poland balls of you!

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20101020154229/fallout/images/thumb/6/67/FNV_NCR_Flag.png/240px-FNV_NCR_Flag.png

(I was hoping Humon, but oh well)

Not to mention almost all of it has been divided by Canada, the USSR, the NCR, New England, and the Caribbean Sun as per several treaties. We don't have an organisation to protect these claims just yet, but if Japan and Asia are going to be promoting expansion into NA, the USSR will work to strengthen defensive pacts in the area.
Relax, notice how every continent other then Asia was on that list. I was saying I don't care where he expands as long as its not Asia.

Eralatuk - The Desert Empire

SoI:
are you aware of South Africa being its own nation?

Caliphate, Japan and Russia POLAND BALL!
:lol:

The USSR echoes this statement. We don't have an interest in the wider world at this juncture other than possible trade partners and friendly relations, but we do have an interest in our backyard.
Again, as long as that backyard doesn't have anything to do with Asia, I don't care what happens in North America.

To Farsight - The agreement of Mosul
http://i53.tinypic.com/16a7jwm.png

@Nedim and Farsight: Now that farsight has join the Asian Union, shall we discuss this in the group?

ok, why not

If there were Humon versions of our countries, then how would the apparent 180% turn in the Scandinavians' personalities be explained?

@Arakhor. Why is it? I'm not claiming much..

@Abby: South Africa is owned by Celtic Fury
The New South African Union (NSAU)

Leader: Manyara Chidiebube

I had made claims there before he was even involved in the game. Surely it considered bad form to start a nation ontop of one that is already there!?

the Mosul Agreement will be recognized by Russia, and will not claim anything south of Russia in the Caucasus. whats up with South Ossetia?

we also suggest abaddon to change their SoI. you should at the very least, attempt to claim the countries which your territories are in (mali, Algeria, Sudan, etc). that woudl make it more reasonable.

we Recognize the Greek SoI. and my Flag is the standard Russian one.

I had made claims there before he was even involved in the game. Surely it considered bad form to start a nation ontop of one that is already there!?
Talk to Siberia...
Talk to the Legion
Talk to Ottoman
Talk to France


@Tailes: When is the update taking place?

What if I don't want to play a generic real life nation? Why can't I span the spine of Africa?

I had made claims there before he was even involved in the game. Surely it considered bad form to start a nation ontop of one that is already there!?

i consider it a bad form to plop a nation which completely disrupts the older nation. like mine. but you just have to get used to it. or find allies to eliminate them.

you can of course, claim territory in such a way, that it blocks the other persons expansion. like for example, disallow south Africa from moving any farther north.

i highly suggest you do things the peaceful way. if you do too much war, other nations may not like you.

What if I don't want to play a generic real life nation? Why can't I span the spine of Africa?

claim a spine then. just know its gonna look weird. and probably awkward during war.

as long as Asia supports me, I don't care about the opinions of the rest of the world.

Abby can take all of Africa for all I care, as long as he lives Ethiopia for the Caliphate, I don't care what happens to the rest of your continent.

as long as Asia supports me, I don't care about the opinions of the rest of the world.

Abby can take all of Africa for all I care, as long as he lives Ethiopia for the Caliphate, I don't care what happens to the rest of your continent.

Stop spamming the thread with these pointless comments you dont see me saying 'ohhh idc what Asia does' it's pointless and spammy. If you really don't care then stop commenting on it

Also my flag is the otl German flag. Modern one

Not to mention how France was established right next to Burgundy...

Anyway, Siberia and South Africa are confirmed. Link16, I don't want to admit someone who won't be able to play, so if you think you will be inactive for long periods of time then I can't admit you, sorry.

On that note, players going AWOL for more than three turns risk being WoGed, ie. have their nation disbanded. You can rejoin the game.

So when is the turn advancing?

So when is the turn advancing?

Please read my policy on updates on the front page.

Oh, its only been 38 hours since the last update. My bad, I was under the impression it was longer.

All it says is no sooner than every 48 hours...but we've not even had an update yet..

When are you going to update?

Update 0


Abby, here was the first update. 38 hours ago.

Whenever I can be on the computer for a significant amount of time, put all the claims on to a map, read and digest all fifteen pages of discussion, and post it. In the case of the next update, most likely tomorrow. But updates won't always be every two days. I try to update soon after the 48-Hours threshold, but it won't always be the case.

Edit: Update 0 counts as an update

http://i51.tinypic.com/238742.png

I don't have much to add to the diplomatic discussions, as most of it has been about SOI's, which I tend to avoid, but I am willing to have my nation represented in the "Polandball" satire.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_O3pxS1ems78/SXnOmRFf5yI/AAAAAAAAAYQ/nGLibe3RcdI/s320/Spain+Flag+Ball.jpg
Already in ball form and everything.

we have expanded into Greenland and iceland. Today a 150 foot statue of President for life Lars Gustav was erected. 1000 people suspected of involvemnt in a plot to overthrow Pres. Gustav were brutally tortured and thrown into the ocean. An agreement was made with the Russians that we have the natural right to Norway, Sweden, Finland.

here is our new flag

http://i51.tinypic.com/238742.png

love it, but what's the green one with the gun

The Union Of Carthage Unveils It's Flagmakers Finest efforts, After weeks of Painstaking craftmanship The Union Of New Carthage releases to the public it's Official Flag.

Other News brings in popularity Polls for The Prime Pinister, Frederick Gerani. The Official Statistics show an approval rating of 86%, a slight drop from the 88% when he took office. Trade Minister Suiza San Therca is reported to have said this on the Subject:

Well, International trade Has boomed since he took office, which is a sign he's doing Something Right If you ask me. And Of Course, bringing the country to global Recognition is a major acheivement in itself.

Other Important Polls show an overwhelming 93% of Cape Citizens would like to join the NSAU, and Talks have been completed to ensure that they can do so within the next 8 months. All that remains is the paperwork. :p A similar poll was conducted in Scotra, and a stunning 79% of citizens voted in favour of Joining the Caliphate. It is beleived it will take just over a year for the Proccess to be completed. A final poll in Singapore states that only 7% of the population are dissatisfied with the Union, another 45% are indifferent, and the remaining 48% are happy with the current Government. The Committee has agreed to keep a close Eye on Public opinions in the region, and will be holding annual opinion polls in the area.

The committee has published this list of international Deals:

Trade Agreements:
Japan
Caribbean Sun
Spain
Klein Venedig
the Russian Empire
Burgundy
FoCE
Hellenic Imperium
Ottoman Empire
Brasil
(Trade agreemants have been offered to all nations, and we are unsire whether the NSAU or the Caliphate have signed them)

Open borders:
Spain
Hellenic Imperium
Caribbean Sun
Japan
(we are unsure as to open borders with other nations, but offers are to NSAU, And all Meditiranian Countries)

We apologize If these lists have missed anybody.

DT
Updatin' Carthage :)

Brasilian flag:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_fYO5d9iEChQ/SGT0cL9Q0-I/AAAAAAAAAH4/hlM0v5OysJI/s400/Bandeira+do+Imp%C3%A9rio+Brasileiro.png

Brasil offers trade agreements to basically everyone.

The Caliphate accepts

Brasilian flag:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_fYO5d9iEChQ/SGT0cL9Q0-I/AAAAAAAAAH4/hlM0v5OysJI/s400/Bandeira+do+Imp%C3%A9rio+Brasileiro.png

Brasil offers trade agreements to basically everyone.

The Russian Empire gladly accepts.

A poll suggests that 83% of Nobles, 87% of Japanese and 4% of Commoners support the current Japanese government. However the stats are globally posted at 100% for Nobles, 87% for Japanese and 24% for commoners.

Open borders:
Spain
Hellenic Imperium
Caribbean Sun
(we are unsure as to open borders with other nations, but offers are to NSAU, And all Meditiranian Countries)
Your the only non-asian country with an open borders agreement with us.

Current Trade Rights:
Everyone who is willing
Current Free Trade Rights:
Mongolia
Preatoria
Carthage
Pacific Federation
Caliphate
Ottomans
Russia

Open Border Agreements:
Mongolia
Preatoria
Carthage
Pacific Federation
Caliphate
Ottomans

Brasil offers trade agreements to basically everyone.
Would this be a free trade that will allow a corporatist takeover of Brazil via the Japanese Super corporations?

The NCU is Happy to trade with Brasil, and is particularly interested in importing Foodstuffs.

Edit: Sorry Ilduce, I forgot we had open borders with Japan as well.

DT
Tradin' :deal:

Would this be a free trade that will allow a corporatist takeover of Brazil via the Japanese Super corporations?

No, but Petrobras would be happy to take over Japan! :D

can Brazil trade with Denmark

No, but Petrobras would be happy to take over Japan!
As I already discussion, Japan is the economic power of the world (If you look at the modern day world, calculate GDP of each region, and add them all up. I would be in first, followed by either TF or LH, so its not powergaming). My corps could out buy yours. So is this a free trade agreement?

We have oil

As I already discussion, Japan is the economic power of the world (If you look at the modern day world, calculate GDP of each region, and add them all up. I would be in first, followed by either TF or LH, so its not powergaming). My corps could out buy yours. So is this a free trade agreement?

It is powergaming. Brazil's corp could outbuy Japan, had a net income of US$14.7 billion in 2009, and has similar profits now.

We have oil

Brazil is one of the leading producers of oil of the world. (http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0922041.html) In fact, Petrobras is an oil company. Oil reserve map of the world:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f0/Oil_Reserves_Updated.png

We have oil

oooh, how is the arctic oil being split (75% of the worlds remaining oil is below the ice caps, and odds are those would have melted by the time the game started)

This ice caps were in Canadian waters until 2006, where they became American waters (off the coast of alaska) when Russia tried to claim them. (of course I am simplifying it, but still)


X-post: YMy Current GDP (based off of 2009 statistics is)
Japan: 5 Trillion
Land in China: 500 billion
Land in Indonesia: 120 billion
Land in Taiwan: 260 Billion
Total: 5.88 Trillion as of 2009

No other country in this has the same GDP statistics for 2009, mine is the highest...

We have the sun and if the ice caps melted the map would be flooded
EDIT:
Who's the bluest on the map with oil production

Russian news

the design phase of the Emperor's Ship is finished, and contruction has begun in St petersburg. it will be done in a year.

the Ship is Civilian, however since the ship can carry the Emperor, and has extensive communications equipment, it can serve as a command ship for Russia or any of Russia's Allies.

Meanwhile, Russia has released the Military stats of the Empire:

Active Army size: 2% of the Empire Population in peace time.(so when i finish claiming, around 1-2 million total), around 10% in drastic wartime. and by drastic i mean World war level in which i am involved. men and Women can join the Army.

Reserve: in theory, every single man and woman will fight for the Motherland. so basically everyone 16-70 can be a reserve personnel. at the moment its somewhat low.

Navy size: relatively small. the Existence of Denmark and the Ottoman Empire has rendered a blue water navy almost irrelevant, but we have plenty of ships to defend the coast.

Airforce: relatively large. about 2000 planes, when every province available is claimed.

How will you feed your army if everyone is fighting?
How will you treat the kids and seniors if everyone is fighting?

We have the sun and if the ice caps melted the map would be flooded
EDIT:
Who's the bluest on the map with oil production

The map is actually oil reserves found, so it's not entirely accurate (although Saudi Arabia is the bluest, which is close to where it really stands in oil production). It does give a good rough estimate. Speaking of which, I found a map that better represents Brazilian oil production: http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/world/10/oil_day/feature_include_total_oil_fields/img/world_oil_786.gif

I had made claims there before he was even involved in the game. Surely it considered bad form to start a nation ontop of one that is already there!?

OOC: Yeah, I'm sorry about that. I forgot about the claims thread when I first posted.

Can we cut the OT chatter and get back to arguing about SOI's and other such things?

WIM: Answer my question: Do you want free trade or not?
edit: x-post with Droopy.

http://facepwn.com/posters/Power_Gamer_Priceless.jpg

What does that have to do with anything? I am using real statistics of my nations lands from 2009. How is it Powergaming?

Caliphate News:
Caliph Nedim Ibn Kahrimanovic has announced that a new law has passed that every muslim over the age of 16 must go to Mecca on the Hajj. If you cannot finance yourself the state will finance you. The goal of this is to gather all the Muslims in the world on this one Holy site
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f3/Kaaba_mirror_edit_jj.jpg/220px-Kaaba_mirror_edit_jj.jpg

Military News:
The New جنود الله (Soldiers of Allah) Division has been created, they are a special forces branch trained in guerrilla tactics
http://jw-renders.com/COD/images/Opfor-Rus/18-Rus-AssaultRifle-Kneeling-Button.png