This is the Challenger 2 (http://www.army-technology.com/projects/challenger2/index.html). It's an English modern armor flavor unit. It could also be used for the Greeks and Arabians, as Greece and Saudi Arabia have tested a Challenger 2E. Well, if something is wrong with my .zip, let me know, and I'll see what I can do. Enjoy, everyone. :D

Download (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads3/Challenger2.zip) New PediaIcons (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads3/C2PediaIcons.zip)

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads3/Challenger2.gif

Great!!!!!!!! (astrofreak is jumping like crazy in his room):) I have not tried in game yet but everything is right with the .zip file. :love: I only think that the pedia icons are a little wierd but , anyways who am I to say that Well once again great work man you´re the :king:

Excellent unit.
Thanks.

Utahjazz you are the fastest unit creator, there is no doubt. And very nice:)

Very good. Infact it's one of the best I have seen made and rivals civ orginals.

This is actually a little too dark - i think more obvious civ-colours would have been able to off-set that. Otherwise, nice work.

Originally posted by Yoda Power
Utahjazz you are the fastest unit creator, there is no doubt.

I guess he´s trying to break a record - something like "who can make the most units before the year is over"....;)

Great unit, btw :goodjob:

Originally posted by zulu9812
This is actually a little too dark - i think more obvious civ-colours would have been able to off-set that. Otherwise, nice work.

Are you ever happy with anything?

Warning! Warning! Warning!

I forgot to mention this before. The Challenger 2, like all of my units, runs slowly in-game. I can't seem to fix it, either. I've tried quickening the animations in FLICster, the program we all know and love, but that doesn't change the in-game speed. As a result, I believe the Challenger 2 plays at 50ms in FLICster, the program we all know and love, and looks way too fast.

I just wanted everyone to know why it was playing so fast. If anyone can improve upon the in-game speed of my units, please, please, please "zip" the animation files and upload them to CivFanatics. I would be very appreciative!

hey man, I figured I was being constructive. Besides, I wouldn't moan if I didn't care...

Originally posted by zulu9812
hey man, I figured I was being constructive. Besides, I wouldn't moan if I didn't care...

No problem. I was just joking around because you always have a suggestion on how to make a unit better. Let me try agian . . .

Are you ever happy with anything? ;)

Also, the civ-specific colors show up quite well--better than my previous units anyway.

I've made some new PediaIcons. These are more CivIII-traditional, but the old ones were more dynamic! Take your pick. I added a link to the new icons in this thread's first post.

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads3/Challenger2Large.gif

Thanks a lot. In my opinion they look much better now , guess i´m used to the traditional mode :D

GREAT! I love the death flc! :D:D:D

Excellent work. It's always nice to see a good British flavour unit. I think it's time now for even more mech infantry alternatives.

Originally posted by Lab Monkey
Excellent work. It's always nice to see a good British flavour unit. I think it's time now for even more mech infantry alternatives.

More mechanized infantry, eh? Hmm . . . I'll look for something I like, but I don't remember seeing anything that jumped out at me the last time I went looking around. Maybe, just maybe . . .

Yay! Cherries and Ice cream all round! :)

Can the unit be converted to desert camouflage as in this pic...? :)

http://www.littlelinda.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/temp/MBT/tank2.jpg

"Excellent work. It's always nice to see a good British flavour unit. I think it's time now for even more mech infantry alternatives."

For mech infantry... the British Warrior is quite popular. It's as fast as most main battle tanks and very acrobatic.

The Challenger is not mech infantry. It's a main battle tank and arguably the best the in the world (greater rate of fire, longer firing range than an Abrams, but slightly slower and the same armour, but tighter turning circle... actually, the uprgraded Abrams M1A2 uses British armour: So, as you can see it's accademic the two machines both stand head and shoulders above the rest IMHO)

Here's an example of more regular cmouflage, from Scotland's Cavalry.
http://datoma.com/CR2/images/Cr2new_sideon.jpg

Originally posted by stormbind
The Challenger is not mech infantry. It's a main battle tank and arguably the best the in the world (greater rate of fire, longer firing range than an Abrams, but slightly slower and the same armour, but tighter turning circle... actually, the uprgraded Abrams M1A2 uses British armour: So, as you can see it's accademic the two machines both stand head and shoulders above the rest IMHO) [/B]

Hmmm... the Challenger2 isn't that good tank compared to other high quality tanks in the world.

At first: on the export market it isn't very popular (for example greece and the arabian doesn't use the challanger2 like someone wrote. Greece have currently our Leopard 2A6HEL
in use and arabia the M1A2 Abrams.)
The main problem of the challenger is the fact that it is slow (Max Speed on Street: 59 km/h and on open field: 40 km/h - even the 7 tons heavier Abrams is faster (On Street: 68 km/h; on field: 48 km/h) and it's long acceleration.
It's movement range isn't very wide (about 450 km on Street - our Leopards have Range of about 550 km.)
Challenger2 it's obsolete fireleadcenter makes him slow on aiming and shooting. (The challenger2 wasn't even one time updatet in terms of combat. So the current technics are like the first challenger2s from the year 1994)
At the end the challenger hasn't any special features like our german upgrade system or the american gas turbine or the merkava swapping armor.
Challenger2 isn't a bad tank but there better alternatives out there.

I meant that Greece and Saudi Arabia could use the Challenger 2. I got my information from this site (http://www.army-technology.com/projects/challenger2/index.html). Here's a quote.

Challenger 2E, the latest development model, has been designed for the export market and is suitable for harsh environmental and climactic conditions. The 2E has been extensively trialled in Greece, Qatar and Saudi Arabia.

k - my failure - my apologies.
Never the less greece and arabia don't use the challenger2 at all ;)

BTW: I know the site - one of the best english military pages IMO :goodjob:

No problem. :)

You are right in that the export market is slow, but that's because it's the most expensive MBT in the world and very few nations can justify the cost. Something like $4 million per unit, and you needs lots of tanks to reduce the cost of replacement parts and ammo (unique ammo - cannot use cheap US/Russian exports).

I think the seriously rich nation of Oman selected it because it outperformed the Abrams M1 in desert conditions.

You're right in saying the Challenger II is slower than an Abrams on the road, but you're wrong with regards to the firing rate and firing range. The Challenger II can destroy 8 targets in 60 seconds, and an Abrams M1A2 can destroy 6 targets in the same time.

As a bonus, Challenger II have stealth profile.

Edit: Vickers Defence Systems corrected me. It's a sustained rate of 8 targets per 40 seconds, by far the most destructive of any MBT currently available.

Originally posted by utahjazz7
Warning! Warning! Warning!

I forgot to mention this before. The Challenger 2, like all of my units, runs slowly in-game...

I guess you fixed it because I'm having no problems and my PC is old and slow :cool:

I don't remember fixing it. The attack seem to me to be a little slow, that's all.

Challenger 2 in service:

United Kingdom 386
Oman 38

(The Military Balance 2002-2003)

Originally posted by stormbind
You are right in that the export market is slow, but that's because it's the most expensive MBT in the world and very few nations can justify the cost. Something like $4 million per unit, and you needs lots of tanks to reduce the cost of replacement parts and ammo.


A Challenger2 cost about 5,96 million pounds per unit
:crazyeye:

Originally posted by stormbind
As a bonus, Challenger II have stealth profile.
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What you mean with stealth profile?



Here a article about the best tank in the world:
10 January 2001
The Pentagon's gas turbine-powered M1 Abrams may be the first tank that comes to the minds of most Americans, but overall, Germany's Leopard 2 is the world's best.
In a new analysis of the world tank market, Forecast International/DMS finds that, based on an overall comparison in terms of lethality, fightability, mobility and survivability, the Leopard 2A6EX comes out on top. The annual tank analysis and ranking, the only one of its type available from open sources, is a product of Forecast International's Weapon Group.
Although the Leopard 2A6EX ranked above the M1 Abrams (in the A2 System Enhancement Package model), the gap between the two tanks remains exceedingly small. In this year's survey, the deciding factor was the Leopard 2's 55-calibre version of the Rh 120mm tank cannon and the formidable DM 53 long rod penetrating ammunition. The Abrams is slated to receive the same cannon, but not for several years.
New and improved fire control components, the addition of an auxiliary power unit, as well as overall performance helped push the Leopard 2 A6EX ahead of the M1A2 System Enhancement Package model in Forecast International's latest ranking. Even so, the M1A2 System Enhancement Package, which is bringing all M1 tanks to a single improved level, represents a major enhancement to the Abrams' already formidable proven fighting ability. Indeed, based on its superior performance during the Persian Gulf War, the Abrams stands at the head of the ranking in terms of combat performance.
In addition, the vacillating Russians aside, the M1 is still the only tank in production that firmly uses a vehicular gas turbine as its prime mover. The US Army recently selected the General Electric LV-100 vehicular gas turbine to re-power the Abrams.
Coming in at third place in the rankings is Japan's highly sophisticated Type 90, an amalgamation of German tank technology and Japanese expertise in advanced electronics. The Type 90 is followed by the Leclerc of France and the United Kingdom's Challenger 2, both in their latest versions.
Making a significant rise in the rankings this year is Israel's Merkava in the latest Mark III Baz model. Contributing to this rise in the standings is the enhanced armour protection and greatly improved fire control components of this latest version of the Merkava.
The latest analysis and ranking again has the omnipresent Russian tanks falling short of their Western counterparts, despite some recent major improvements as well as the continued lead by the Russians in active defence systems.
Forecast International/DMS Inc is a leading provider of Market Intelligence and Analyses in the areas of aerospace, defence, power systems and military electronics and specialises in long-range industry forecasts. (...) "

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Originally posted by El Xadier
A Challenger2 cost about 5,96 million pounds per unit
:crazyeye:
Bumping the cost yet higher in no way damaged my statement.

Originally posted by El Xadier
What you mean with stealth profile?
The turret has a stealth design making it hard to detect. The Challenger II is the original Challenger chassis with entirely new turret. This turret was actually developed and tested using a Leopard 2 chassis. This upgrade cost the British army £2.3 billion.

Vickers Defence Systems
Stealth is designed into the construction to reduce the probability of detection on the battlefield by visual, electronic and thermal means.

I never made mention of the Leopard 2 which I would concede is also a high quality weapon. The leading models of every major tank manufacturer are in direct competition so you would expect the differences to be small. You must note that general comparissons include weapons like the T-55 and Centurion (1945) which are still in service with some nations. When you compare a complete list of all possible MBT, the Challenger2/AbramsM1A2/Leopard2/T90/Leclerc are all going to come out pretty much the same (i.e. All are Modern Armour); you have to limit the comparisson to only 21st Century vehicles before any notable differences can be found.

The article you quoted is filled with qualitative opinions and lacks substance in the form of quantitive values or real world statistics (i.e. 0 Challenger 1 were taken out of action in Desert Storm, compared with 16 Abrams M1A1).

This is not the place for argument, but here's an article comparing all influencial modern tank designs and includes the opinions of some manufacturers: http://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/article.cfm?Id=593

We can all agree: If you are American then the Abrams A2 will always be better, if you are German the Leopard II will be superior, and if you are British then the Challenger II is the greatest. :crazyeye: :thumbsup:

Regarding Gas Turbine versus Diesel. A respected engineer informs me that the Gas Turbine of Abrams M1A2 puts power before survivability, which is fine for invading nations that are not expected to return fire (i.e. Afganistan/Iraq) but would be fatally flawed if deployed against other modern weapons.

I don't like to whine because it sounds unappreciative, which I am not! I'm happy to see a Challenger 2, honest! :D

So I hope this is only constructive, but I think the turret is too short. Comparing these images...

http://datoma.com/CR2/images/Cr2new_sideon.jpg
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads3/Challenger2Large.gif

Now I know these are different views, but they ain't the same.

Useful links, no schematic:
British Army: Challenger 2 (http://www.army.mod.uk/equipment/av/av_ch2.htm)
Vickers Defence Systems: Challenger 2 (http://www.vickersdefence.co.uk/products/product_details.cfm?product_id=1) (also brochure gives a "feel" to the vehicle that may help) :)

nice looking unit, it would be nice to see a warrior along side it though :D

The reason they are trialled there is because the Brits do training in some of those areas.

Originally posted by SweetParamania
The reason they are trialled there is because the Brits do training in some of those areas.

The page I got my information from said that the Challenger being tested in Greece and Qatar is a Challenger 2E, designed for the export market. It doesn't say if any were bought or not though. Using the tank for Greece and the Arabs was just a suggestion in case someone wanted to use it for more than one civ.

HEY CAN SOME ONE TELL ME WHERE I CAN SEE THE MILITARY BALANCE 2002-2003?? AND WHERE CAN I DOWNLOAD THE 3D MAX??AND THE CHARACTER STUDIO PLUG IN? NICE WORK

3D Max is a very expensive program, so I doubt you can download it anywhere. There might be a trial program somewhere, though.