Anarres and me have decided too start a PBEM game too fill up the waiting time of our other PBEM's. This way we will have a lot of "power sessions". NO we are not addicted to Civ3! ;)

This is our game:

Good luck have fun.

Here is my starting position:

I set the game on emperor but is is chieftain :( again. It is Pangea, 6 AI pawns for us to set up against each other or conquer. Randon land mass, barbs. Rest is standard.

My starting location:

Mm - place your bets ladies and gentlemen.

On my right we have Anarres - winner of the Leader Tournament
On my left we have Erikk - second in the Leader Tournament

Looks like a pretty heavyweight contest between two bruisers who take no prisoners. I dont give much for the AI's chances.

Erikk looks to have the better start - wine close at hand and lots of bonus grassland - and the expansionists are pretty good on a Pan map. The larger it is, the more his initial advantage.

Initial odds

Erikk 4-5
Anarres 5-4

I make it a sight edge in starting position and choice of civ.

Place your bets.

( And new avatars too ;) )

ERIKK will win.

Originally posted by col
Mm - place your bets ladies and gentlemen.

On my right we have Anarres - winner of the Leader Tournament
On my left we have Erikk - second in the Leader Tournament

Looks like a pretty heavyweight contest between two bruisers who take no prisoners. I dont give much for the AI's chances.

Erikk looks to have the better start - wine close at hand and lots of bonus grassland - and the expansionists are pretty good on a Pan map. The larger it is, the more his initial advantage.

Initial odds

Erikk 4-5
Anarres 5-4

I make it a sight edge in starting position and choice of civ.

Place your bets.

( And new avatars too ;) )

Thanks Col! I have a good starting location! Some cows would have made it an excellent starting location! But I fear Anarres's famous micromanagement! But this game I will micromanage too. PBEM is excellent for that as you have one turn to completely focus on all the time!

We are at turn 10 now. Popped some huts but got jack sh*t! :(

Keep posting the screens.

I think a lot of people will be interested in this one.
Ok - I'm interested in this one.
Did you choose civs or go random?

Nothing from the huts? Going back towards evens each then. You need to get something as expansionist.

AI 1000-1 :D

I don't really know, at this point, I'm gonna have to say anarres.

16-14 Anarres
14-16 ERIKK

I got a random civ. I got lucky :)

I prefer Greece over America.

Originally posted by col
Keep posting the screens.

I think a lot of people will be interested in this one.
Ok - I'm interested in this one.
Did you choose civs or go random?

Nothing from the huts? Going back towards evens each then. You need to get something as expansionist.

AI 1000-1 :D

I will post some, but I cannot show to much to Anarres (I think).

Huts: empty and a ceremonial burial so far... What I WANT is a city/settler of course. Thats why I am exp. Otherwise Anarres will have and extra trait!

got a warrior from a hut!!!!!!!!

F11:

I just got a tech from a goody hut popped by my culture expansion :D

Got a map from a hut! But I think the Ottomans got a city from a hut....

Look at this pic, looks like the border has not expanded:

Here is my turn 12 F11 screen:

Keep it up.

I was wrong about the Ottomans! Had a nice trade! ;) Will meet another (secret) civ soon...

Standings at the beginning of the turn:

My current F11 screen:

And here is my turn 20 F11 screen:

Not bad for 3 hours :D

Neck and neck on pop and land area.....

Sent to Anarres some hours ago... (This horrible very very early morning!) This evening we will have another "power session"!

Meanwhile in the game I have met another secret civilization, popped a hut and discovered new lands! The AI's havent build new cities so I guess the arey defenitely not on Emperor...

On the way.

Wow. It was 6.46AM CET when I got the save. You are a true addict ERIKK.

:worshp: :worshp: :worshp: :worshp: :worshp: :worshp: :worshp:

Originally posted by anarres
On the way.

Wow. It was 6.46AM CET when I got the save. You are a true addict ERIKK.

:worshp: :worshp: :worshp: :worshp: :worshp: :worshp: :worshp:

While I was on way to work this morning I was phoned on my mobile by agry customers! Their vital system was not running. I immediately had to hurry and have stress while I wasn't even really awake! :mad:

And I am tired now! :ack:

The next Power Session has begun and I have met my first civ :D

Not worth trading though :(

Popped more huts :mad: , met a view secret civs, exploring the world....

Tha AI is not expanding yet. God knows what they are doing on chieftain in the early years.... :confused:

Found a nice location for a settler/worker factory. Shame it's nowhere near me :(

Hello! Met another civ too! (Almost (I think)) all civ are polite with me... ;)

You met anarres Erikk ;D
You guys have different hills. They are more desertish than the default.

So we meet at last. let the diplomacy begin :)

Oh yeah. I have nothing to trade and I know hardly any other civs :(

Diplomacy between America and Greece failed....

Meanwhile Greece plays a dangerous game by sending his settler unprotected in the wide field, with a zulu warrior nearby and two of my units too.... :eek:

forgot the pic

Originally posted by ERIKK
Tha AI is not expanding yet. God knows what they are doing on chieftain in the early years.... :confused:

Makin wealth :p

Attack him!!!! or what ever u want i dont care but otherwise this is turning out great! Keep it up!!!

America agreed to let Greece live ;)

anarres zegt:
hehe we should have a peace agreement for the next 10 turns. what do you say?
ERIKK zegt:
yeah right!
anarres zegt:
I'm serious
anarres zegt:
I'll pay
anarres zegt:
btw, I know where you are too
ERIKK zegt:
you did that real fast with your warrior
ERIKK zegt:
but i got plenty of units
ERIKK zegt:
sent
ERIKK zegt:
you should not sent unprotected settlers! who knows there are barbs around????
ERIKK zegt:
i wont attack
ERIKK zegt:
lets not mess up the game
anarres zegt:
we are not ruining the game by takling diplomacy
anarres zegt:
you attacking would be in the spirit of the game as well. after all the idea is to win
ERIKK zegt:
then you should withdraw your settler
ERIKK zegt:
otherwise it is gone!
anarres zegt:
thanks for the warning, but I expected hard play.
anarres zegt:
I am serious about paying you to leave my settler alone. It's your chance to earn some money and prove to me that you can be trusted
ERIKK zegt:
that is stupid isn't it, it would be a severe blow to your empire building
anarres zegt:
stupid to trust you? or you stupid to take my money and not hit me?
ERIKK zegt:
money does not weight to a lost settler!
ERIKK zegt:
you can escape now
anarres zegt:
I have the option of pulling it back to somewhere else at no risk.
If you want the free money then take it. If you still hit my settler I will know that I shouldn't trade with you - ever
ERIKK zegt:
what do you offer?
anarres zegt:
I'll offer you 150gold for you to not attack any of my cities or units for 15 turns
ERIKK zegt:
OK, I accept, how will you pay?
anarres zegt:
I'll offer it tis turn. You accept on your turn, I may have to confirm again.
ERIKK zegt:
ok, i wanna post this diplomacy, agreed?
ERIKK zegt:
fun for the readers
anarres zegt:
I was gonna do it - but you have the honor and the minor win
ERIKK zegt:
i will copy and paste!
anarres zegt:
k
ERIKK zegt:
150 gold then, 1 one turn, were do you get the money from???????????

Meanwhile Greece has appeared at the American borders (which are well protected ;) ) They did that real fast! :goodjob:

And here is the map I had when that diplomacy was going on:

I missed it off the map but that settler is settling next to some ivory :)

And I think I've mentioned elsewhere that I play it risky. Here is the proof :D

Oh, I hope everyone else is watching ERIKK too, to see if he honours his promises ;)

score!

I have some nice amout of money now and am a bit aware of Anarres' strategy (saving up cash)

Yup. Only 1 thing I could be doing right now. Saving up doing a 40 turn tech.

Im tracking.....

Hi Sage :), and welcome to cfc.

Do you lurk on the rest of the forums? It's nice to have you here, but I hope you read some of the others too. I also hope ERIKK and me manage to amuse you in our game :D

Go Erikk! Even though I hate the American civ! They are always a pain in the ass. :p

Originally posted by Kevinicus
Go Erikk! Even though I hate the American civ! They are always a pain in the ass. :p Hey Kevinicus, you got it in for me? [plasma]:cry:

Hey anarres and thanx for the welcome but this isnt my first time on the board my old scn was therealgamesage and im looking to join some PBEM games so if u find some that i cant could u please send me a PM?

Originally posted by anarres
Hey Kevinicus, you got it in for me? [plasma]:cry:
I am for you in the sense that I hate the American civ, against you cuz I think Erikk will win. :crazyeye:

sum up
Time to sum up our game so far. I do not know how many AI's Anarres has met yet (I think 2 or 3) but I know he knows I met at least four of them. For our readers a very rough drawing of what our world looks like. See attachment!

next moves
We might can expect some action within 30 turns because Anarres is in a bit of crappy place. Sorry for him he can not upgrade his warriors now... :satan: I have a little more room to expand peacefully. Another problem for Anarres are his techs. I have popped many huts. The gave me lots of money, warriors, maps and no settlers/cities. I also got some techs out of them too. But I am sure Anarres will catch up, being scientific and all :) But then again he has nothing to expect from our chieftain AI's I think...

the future
A war between Anarres and me is out of sight for while, as Anarres paid good money for peace until turn 53. Next to that there is a jungle between us :mad: As a matter of fact I think no early war is a good thing as Greece has the hoplite. But also: I wanna see how the expanding game differs between us. I was really suprised that anarres expanded faster then me (by discovering a lonely Greek settler in the fields). I assume he has a cow in the range of his capital. Meanwhile I am on four cities now and I expect Greece to have a fourth city soon :)

Next session wil be in januari.

Our world somewhere at 1970 BC

Crush them!

hehe. My stratagy will soon be public anyway, and ERIKK can not take advantage due to the lagre distance between us, so:

I have hoplites. The difficulty is cheiftan (no police needed yet). This means I can play very loose and take chances. If anything looks dodgy I can whip out a hoplite quick and stop most attacks (except a concerted AI attack, and no-one is near me). It is also worth noting that the AI rarely attacks in the first 60 turns or so, even if you are undefended.

The settler ERIKK found was going for some ivory in the middle of the plains. This was maybe not needed in the short term (on cheiftain) but is a hangover from playing deity too much ;). Anyway, it won't harm me to grab it now.

My early game in this kind of situation (expansion space and little threat) is focused solely on pumping settlers from at least 1 city and maybe 2. I always build a granary first if there are at least 2 nice squares (2.2.x). I know no-one else who builds granarys quick, but I do. And it works for land grabbing.

My first city was warrior.granary.settler.settler.... maybe the odd other thing to let the city grow a little. My empire was tiny after the first day (turn 22), but I have 3 cities now, and more are quickly following. I had to research pottery fast, and I got it in turn 12, and switched to granary from a small prebuild.

By the time ERIKK can start a war, all of my cities can have at least 2 or 3 vet hoplites, and more 'floating' ones. This is because in my non-settler-factory cities I first build barracks, then units. This division of labour is good. I always build a settler in a city with a granary (minimal loss) and I never build barracks in a settler-factory (unless I am waiting for it to grow).

So bring it on ERIKK. You caught me with my pants down, and I paid you good to leave me alone. In your position I would have done the same to me too. Next time I will be ready, with a large empire and decent defenses. :evil:

But this is where we leave it, at least until tomorrow evening, maybe the day after. See you soon :)

Originally posted by anarres
The settler ERIKK found was going for some ivory in the middle of the plains. This was maybe not needed in the short term (on cheiftain) but is a hangover from playing deity too much ;). Anyway, it won't harm me to grab it now.
Absolutely not necessary and a sole-plain city.... But I know the feeling and would have done the same I guess....

Originally posted by anarres
My early game in this kind of situation (expansion space and little threat) is focused solely on pumping settlers from at least 1 city and maybe 2. I always build a granary first if there are at least 2 nice squares (2.2.x). I know no-one else who builds granarys quick, but I do. And it works for land grabbing.

My first city was warrior.granary.settler.settler.... maybe the odd other thing to let the city grow a little. My empire was tiny after the first day (turn 22), but I have 3 cities now, and more are quickly following. I had to research pottery fast, and I got it in turn 12, and switched to granary from a small prebuild.Your first warrior went south, your capital was empty :eek: for 30-40 turns? I built 3 scouts and a warrior and then a settler. Paid off too, got the techs (but not the city). But I got, indeed, too much defense. I will compensate it.

But where are the barbarians??????

Originally posted by anarres
By the time ERIKK can start a war, all of my cities can have at least 2 or 3 vet hoplites, and more 'floating' ones. This is because in my non-settler-factory cities I first build barracks, then units. This division of labour is good. I always build a settler in a city with a granary (minimal loss) and I never build barracks in a settler-factory (unless I am waiting for it to grow).
Still you have two regular hoplites and a regular warrior. And two buildings a 1 g/p/t. But OK, you now have a granary and will expand fast. Fortunally for me, you haven't got much room to expand to (or it should be jungles or desert). You will be in war soon...

Originally posted by anarres
So bring it on ERIKK. You caught me with my pants down, and I paid you good to leave me alone. In your position I would have done the same to me too. Next time I will be ready, with a large empire and decent defenses. :evil:Maybe we both stay peacefull and go for a space race and wonder-building! :lol:

hehe hey guys....

All this in just 2 and a half days!

This looks like fun in the making ...

Sorry anarres but my money is on ERIKK too...

No hard feelings dude.. but, well I dunno

Melifluous

PS. Right that should subscribe to this damn thread now :mad:

Dont underestimate Anarres. His record on deity level is as good as anybody's.

Since everyone is backing ERIKK, does it mean I get extra kudos if I manage to pull a win from this :)

In all honesty, ERIKK looks strong because he has managed to extort money from me, but he can not do that again. Nor can he wage an easy ancient war against hoplites.

My land is not as bad as ERIKK thinks, but he will find that out soon enough. Unless he has already built a force of horsemen and it is on it's way I am fairly safe. Even if he has, I should still be OK with hoplites. My guess is that ERIKK will go for a mostly swordmen army, because he has to attack defence 3 + fortified. This gives me plenty of time to play with.

Of course, if I had not gone for a rapid expansion I would have gone for the wheel and chariots, then mass upgrade to horsemen and a quick attack - but that is very risky.

It will be interesting to see how warfare develops. I imagine there will be much quicker and smaller 'raids' while we are far apart, if at all. Avoiding being seen by the enemy may be a very important tactic for multiplayer. I am looking forward to this :)

Hey col, I just re-read your first post:AI 1000-1 :DMethinks you are being to generous to the AI. Remember it's cheiftain ;)

And it's nice to know at least 1 person thinks I am still in the race :D

I don't underestimate you either. I know how good you are, you are in the Aeson, SirPleb, Bamspeedy -class :)

We have immediately seen your class and guts with the warrior-granary-settler-settler (with the warrior gone out to search me)...

Well, I do not know how much you have seen from the surrounding lands. Your initial starting place is good!

Originally posted by anarres
And it's nice to know at least 1 person thinks I am still in the race :D

You two are two of the most experienced players around. You've both played in the Tournament at the highest level from the start - and that makes you used to playing a variety of styles and being able to play different civ's strangths and weaknesses.

One of the things I've noticed in PBEM sign-ups is that most players seem to have 'favourite' civs. That seems to me to be a large weakness. I used to play chess at quite a high level once and one of the keys to beating other good players was to create a style of game that you are comfortable with and your opponent not. Forcing a slow builder-style game on a warmonger or a fast moving attack game on a builder is the way I see MP games developing. Versatile players without a preferred style will always be more dangerous and able to adjust more rapidly to changing circumstances.

As self-elected commentator and bookie ;)

@Anarres Your farmer gambit has paid off, it would seem. The Greek's attributes of scientific and commercial suggest a builder approach. Long term prospects must favour this civ.

@Erikk No settlers :( American traits of expansionist and industrious will always give fast start. Difficult to make early military headway against hoplites though.

I dont see any advantage to either from the early game. It would be nice to know which other civs are in the game. This one could swing on an early leader from a quick war against one of the AIs.

now i agree with col except the fact about when peeps have fav civs they have weaknesses. As I see it, having a fav civ myself, that a truly great stratigist can take one outlet and turn it into a variety of uses and strenghts. Because as i was told, if u adapt to a person stratigy u force him to change and in eccense defeat himself. So i play as one civ to give an impression that i only have so few choices when in reality i have so many. Sorry if i get like this sometimes, i can dwell on about things.

Originally posted by SageThe Realist
Sorry if i get like this sometimes, i can dwell on about things.

Hey. Talking the talk is half the fun
;)

Originally posted by ERIKK
Well, I do not know how much you have seen from the surrounding lands. Your initial starting place is good!

Yesterday, before leaving to a party, I played the next turn (it is with you Anarres now :D ) a watched the map again. And Anarres is right: he has enough good lands to settle lots of more cities on.

@col: we know the civs, I have posted the standings/score twice! The civs are: spanish, zulu, french, ottomans, indians, greece, americans, romans.

@col: in the tournament everybody is forced to play different styles. Here I learned to be more offensive and less a peacefull builder. But you only know which approach to take when you know the map. And with an expasionist civ you know the map much faster...

HAPPY NEW YEAR and may this game this year be as much fun to play as it was last year ;)

Originally posted by ERIKK

@col: we know the civs, I have posted the standings/score twice! The civs are: spanish, zulu, french, ottomans, indians, greece, americans, romans.
Doh


@col: in the tournament everybody is forced to play different styles. Here I learned to be more offensive and less a peacefull builder. But you only know which approach to take when you know the map. And with an expasionist civ you know the map much faster...
Yes - it taught me to play a variety of styles. I was never much good as an early rusher until I'd played a few conquest games where a fast finish was everything. I usually compete at Monarch level but play for fun at Emperor. I cant handle deity yet though.
:(
The tournament did so much to help me improve my play that I wanted to get involved to keep it going.

HAPPY NEW YEAR
And a very Happy New Year to one and all.

Great game, guys! :goodjob:

Very funny negotiations. ;)

(I'm negotiating myself with someone in the DDPP game, but people should read my log (http://www.straland.com/DutchPBEM/) for that. :) (Not you, Erik! :p))
I hope to read more of these negotiations. It's what makes PBEM's most fun!! :cool:

The new form of diplomacy is what I consider MP games to be best at.

Instead of getting annoyed at the limited deals the AI lets you make, you can agree your own terms and make your own deals.

@Matrix I read the log and it's good stuff :). I look forward to trading with you.

Well, Barbs have appeared everywhere, and I have lost 17 gold in a raid, and 14 gold in a second raid :(

I read that when someone reaches the medeival age that the barbarians suddenly multiply - maybe ERIKK is there already :eek:

Originally posted by anarres
I read that when someone reaches the medeival age that the barbarians suddenly multiply - maybe ERIKK is there already :eek:

Nope, not yet by far.

I am milking the AI's, selling them ROP and contacts with their neighbours. The AI's are suddenly making money each turn. My investment in embassy's with Greek money :satan: is starting to pay off. Meanwhile my scouts found new lands where I did not expected it! Popped another hut that gave me Philosofy :eek: Raided first barb camp netting me some money! I love it when a conscript warrior raids a camp and gets veteran ;)
Gonna raid some more in a while...

ERIKK: I just realised that you get to all the deals first. If a civ had gpt to spare you can do diplo first and get it off them :(

Spotted another camp which I will sack in two turns. More barbs are showing up everywhere!

I am doing fine now:

Scoreboard turn 60:

Here is my F11 screen:

Go Erikk go! Looks good so far :)

sum up: 1475BC
As the Romans or Ottomans have researched writing the Americans are sure the Greeks have seen by now (or they will as we sold contact to the Spanish to the French) that all civilzations are on one big continent. The shape of the world continues surprising us! Our scouts have recently discovered new lands on two different parts of the world. But now that barbarians have appeared all over the world, one scout is in severe danger and probably soon dies as he is being boxed in...:mad:

Meanwhile in the empire one city governour got fired as he refused to let the people work on a 3 food tile. He told them to work on a one shield, 2 food tile but the shield became wasted. After waiting one turn, assuming the governour to better his judgement, emperor ERIKK got fed up with it.

next moves
In 2 turns the Americans will develop Map Making. No way we will share the world map with other civs but we will be interested in trading our territory map for hard cash + maps (we know 90% of the Greek territory and 100% of the territoy of almost all other civs).

the future: diplomacy
The last 4 turns the Americans have watched 2 Greek settlers again wander unprotected through the field. :hmm: One of those encountered barbarians and had to settle early (not be the river) and was raided twice. A third settler has settled in turn 61 and probably was unprotected too. All this wandering was highly risky because our non-agression agreement ended turn 53! American warriors were closeby but were send to kill the barbarian camp. Thus, American forces are securing Greek borders from the barbarian hordes! :eek: More warriors are sent to the Greek borders to secure those unprotected cities from the hordes as Greece doesn't do it by herself...

Emperor ERIKK wonders if the Greek authority thinks that the Americans are as dumb as the Zulu's and Romans by not having to build up any armed forces... Ranking 8th means Greece hardly got any units at all... (Just the two hoplites and one warrior our scouts reported?) Maybe Greece wants to have the Americans to secure their borders? We are allready there... :satan:

Originally posted by ERIKK
sum up: 1475BC
Meanwhile in the empire one city governour got fired as he refused to let the people work on a 3 food tile. He told them to work on a one shield, 2 food tile but the shield became wasted. After waiting one turn, assuming the governour to better his judgement, emperor ERIKK got fed up with it. hehe, you a crazy man using governors.


Emperor ERIKK wonders if the Greek authority thinks that the Americans are as dumb as the Zulu's and Romans by not having to build up any armed forces... Ranking 8th means Greece hardly got any units at all... (Just the two hoplites and one warrior our scouts reported?) Maybe Greece wants to have the Americans to secure their borders? We are allready there... :satan: Just you try and enter my territory and we'll see what my military is like :D

Hehe Erikk is the world police :D

turn 62 - 75: Peacefull expansion on both sides. Build some settlers and workers, killed some barbarians, traded some ROP's and maps.

Our world:

This gets better and better!

And I definately recognize my playing style and thinking in anarres play.....

Can't you post a link to your map? :) I'm sure you won't look at each other's... :rolleyes:

Here it is:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads3/ERIKK975BCmap.jpg

By looking at the map, you can definately tell it's on chieftain level. I sure hope they fix that bug soon where we can play PBEM games on a level other than chieftain.

Too right...

When that gets fixed I'm gonna start a 4 players Vs 4 AI on deity...

Co-operative players, but can't give out maps until they have map-making and have met the friendly civ etc...

Oh.... On diety... ;)

It's gonna rock...

Melifluous

Turn 75 - 86:
It is 875 BC. We still live in a very peacefull world. Last eleven turns a couple of new cities were created all over the world. The Spanish have four cities now, while France still has one. America and Greece are still almost equal in size.

The Americans have started a great project. We are building the Pyramids to secure future growth. Loads of workers are now improving the terrain within out territory. The outskirts of our empire become more and more connected to the capital.

Meanwhile our scouts and scout warriors are reporting a growing military precense in the unclaimed territories south of Greece (between Rome and France). Numerous hoplites, some chariots and warrioirs have been spotted. For a while America was afraid these troops would be marching towards us but the troops halted. Our intelligence thinks they are there to keep the barbarians away and/or kill them first and also keep an eye on our present forces ;) America and Greece are now equal in military size. Greece and America are not communicating/trading with each other anymore and there are no active agreements between the nations.

The histograph is here: http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads3/ERIKKhisto86.jpg
More and more diplomatic channels are being created:

The only country not smiling at you is greece xD

And the histograph shows a quite peculiar start for america. What happened there?

Originally posted by Kevinicus
The only country not smiling at you is greece xD

And the histograph shows a quite peculiar start for america. What happened there? You can change this. I haven't changed it yet either. So I won't be smiling in his screen too.

We both did not settle the first turn. I expanded a little bit faster because Anarres was building a granary. After that Greece expanded a bit faster. But we end up almost equal in size and units. Anarres is ahead in population but I have one more city. I am ahead in science and a bit more productive and wealthy but Anarres is scientific and commercial and will catch up someday. Also Anarres has the hoplite and can choose when to have his GA. When he gets it he will take the lead in wealth and production I think...

MORE DIPLOMACY:

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anarres zegt:
the territory map thing
anarres zegt:
what do you want
ERIKK zegt:
your territory and some money
anarres zegt:
haha
ERIKK zegt:
just kidding
ERIKK zegt:
gimme your map and i'll show you mine, OK?
anarres zegt:
k

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anarres zegt:
erikk - have you got any tech that you are willing to trade?
ERIKK zegt:
No, but the AI has
anarres zegt:
hehe. no chance
ERIKK zegt:
how much money is involved?
anarres zegt:
ahhh
ERIKK zegt:
Your offer for what?
anarres zegt:
so you go techs u wanna trade?
ERIKK zegt:
which one?
ERIKK zegt:
map making?
ERIKK zegt:
i will trade it if you want it
anarres zegt:
no. others have that and philosiphy. have you got horsemen or polyethism?
anarres zegt:
or currency?
ERIKK zegt:
polytheism I have
anarres zegt:
i've got literature
ERIKK zegt:
me too
anarres zegt:
oh
ERIKK zegt:
well?
anarres zegt:
nothing to give you then
ERIKK zegt:
sure, research it yourself
anarres zegt:
i keep fogetting we are on cheiftain. i am doing my research as though on deity
ERIKK zegt:
I warned you earlier
ERIKK zegt:
you should speed research
anarres zegt:
erikk - you wanna trade polythism with me for money?
ERIKK zegt:
how much money is involved?
anarres zegt:
you tell me what you want for it.
anarres zegt:
i can research it in 7 turns
ERIKK zegt:
200 gold?
ERIKK zegt:
I accept per yrn deals too
ERIKK zegt:
turn
col zegt:
sent
anarres zegt:
how about 150 gold. lump sum
Melifluous zegt:
got it
ERIKK zegt:
170, 150 lump + 1 p/t + non agression pact
anarres zegt:
how about 150 lump sum and non-agression pact?
ERIKK zegt:
the braveheart battle is on right now, i am missing it! :(
ERIKK zegt:
deal
ERIKK zegt:
do it

------------

The world was totally surprised today by the great news from America. In the year 650 BC a great bronze statue was suddenly erected in the port of Philadelphia! As people flocked in, great wealth was generated. This extra money is much needed in the research race with Greece. Last years the French, Romans, Spanish and Ottomans have completed research projects of which the Greeks have profited. Our large research advantage has been decimeted. We have contributed to this ourselfs by dealing with the Greeks...

Meanwhile the production of the pyramids is still in good progress!

Statistics:

Greece finally decides to show the world it's might. :D

In one turn Veii is captured and Antium is destroyed. Two turns after that Rome itself swarms with Greek forces.

Rome's capital has now been relocated to it's last remaining city Cumae, which is unfortunately on a hill with Iron :(

And here is my F11 screen:

:bday:

In 6 days we played 100 turns in a PBEM game! :goodjob: This needs a celebration. Lets smoke one more Anarres! :love: :lol:

Back to the game: WAR!
We knew it! We knew the Greeks were a :satan: in disguise. The whole world is crying for the deaths of thousands of innocent people. The American people are asking the emperor to take action but he has a promise to keep ;) Also: the emperor is a very peacefull man but if he has to use his growing number of swordsmen, he will!

Meanwhile our production and GNP is much higher while our annual income per capita only half of the Greeks :confused: Soon we will hook up more luxiouries! Also, our productivity is still higher...

For explanation of the F11 screen see: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=37033&highlight=demographics

War! What is it good for? Greek atrocity in Antium:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads3/war.jpg

Tis a shame. Attacking the poor weak Romans :*(
I wonder how the other countries will react :o

hehe. Turn 100 sees the capture of Cumae, but the sneaky Romans have attempted to foil my genocide and sent a settler far away to found Neapolis.

No worries, only 5 or 6 turns away from my horsemen :)

After the capture of Cumae, I have declared war on the Zulu's. They were looking at me funny.

Originally posted by anarres
hehe. Turn 100 sees the capture of Cumae, but the sneaky Romans have attempted to foil my genocide and sent a settler far away to found Neapolis.

No worries, only 5 or 6 turns away from my horsemen :)

After the capture of Cumae, I have declared war on the Zulu's. They were looking at me funny.

Remember what happened too all the great dictators/tyrants trying to conquer the world!

America will keep their isolationistic policy for now... But tension is rising.

Greece should stop their wars immediately for the sake of world peace!

Well, Rome said something about my mother, and the Zulu's were looking dangerous with their barbaric culture and science. I had to stop them now before they got out of hand :p

IIRC, I didn't lose a single unit against the Romans :)

An informed source tells us that tensions are increasing in this game. Negotiations haven broken down and both sides have demanded that inspectors be brought in to verify the size of their
..... armies.

Here is some more diplomacy. I will sum up in the next post...

anarres says:
and the deal?
ERIKK says:
We should split up the world
anarres says:
I don't think so
anarres says:
...well, what is your offer
ERIKK says:
You should leave the Ottomans alone
anarres says:
You must be joking. You have the indians...
ERIKK says:
You have the romans zulu and french
anarres says:
you have the better long term prospects anyway
ERIKK says:
The spanisch should stay neutral
ERIKK says:
If you take the Ottomans, you will enter my zone of influence
ERIKK says:
The Ottomans and Indians are in my zone of influence
ERIKK says:
You may destroy the most Nothern Ottoman city if you like
ERIKK says:
if it is in your way
anarres says:
erikk - you are asking me to leave the ottoamns, but what are you offering in return?
col says:
hi mel
anarres says:
ottomans i think
ERIKK says:
The notern Ottoman city
Melifluous says:
hi all
Melifluous says:
Handball my arse...
ERIKK says:
lol
anarres says:
handball?
Melifluous says:
Man City vs Liverpool
anarres says:
erikk - that is not offering me anything. I can take the city anyway
col says:
@Mel Dad will not be happy
ERIKK says:
I just think you get too close to me if you take the Ottomans
ERIKK says:
I dont like that
Melifluous says:
If he coulda got his hand outta the way he deserved a medal...
Yeah I wasn't happy and I supoprt Man U...
anarres says:
hehe. my housemate is a scouser
Melifluous says:
Oh bad luck
anarres says:
erikk - offer me something then, like I offered you 150 gold not to take my settler
ERIKK says:
Conquer the zulus and the french and expand westward and eastwards and you have enough land to take
anarres says:
I can do it anyway
ERIKK says:
i give you wold map and you will see what I am talking about
anarres says:
I have the WM
ERIKK says:
not the entire world
ERIKK says:
i bet
anarres says:
all of it, including the land to the east
anarres says:
past the zulus
ERIKK says:
you dont have the west lands
anarres says:
with the spanish? yes I do
ERIKK says:
lots of room there
anarres says:
so what. you are not 'giving' it to me because it is neutral and I can get there first
anarres says:
no offense meant.
anarres says:
just that an offer requires you to give up something if I am expected to do the same
ERIKK says:
World map is an offer
anarres says:
hehe. i have it
ERIKK says:
i dont believ you have it all
anarres says:
the whole pangea, no islands though (if there are any)
anarres says:
i can see coast all round
ERIKK says:
okay 50 gold + WM then
ERIKK says:
50 gold + WM + non agression till turn 150
anarres says:
no way. sorry. non-agression is in your favour only atm
ERIKK says:
You are kidding
anarres says:
not really
anarres says:
i am happy to let it expire in 115
ERIKK says:
fine then
ERIKK says:
If I want I have a larger army than you in 1 turn.... You know that dont you?
anarres says:
don't worry erikk, i just meant that with the pyramids you have very good long term prospects.
anarres says:
non-agression just means you don't need to build an army
ERIKK says:
You have double my lands if you taske the Ottomans too!
anarres says:
I think thats the point
anarres says:
Is this not how civ goes?
ERIKK says:
Wait let me only take the two southern Ottoman cities and the Indian lands, the rest is yours
ERIKK says:
We can stay peacefull this way
ERIKK says:
take the offer
anarres says:
You will be too powerful soon.
anarres says:
I am worried, that's why I have to be agressive with the land taking.
anarres says:
But let me consider it.
ERIKK says:
Anyway those two cities are within 3 or 4 turns for a sword from my heartland....
anarres says:
If you take only the most sourthern ottoman city the deal is on.
ERIKK says:
I need to look at the map again
anarres says:
reload your last tuen, just don't do anything
ERIKK says:
hmmm.... i rather have the capital too, why are you so interested in that piece of land?
anarres says:
it is very nice. clear the units from the map and you can see it is on a very productive bit of land.
anarres says:
but of course, it also limits your expansion
ERIKK says:
I f I take instanbul, you can settle on one of the nothern hills and have half of those lands
ERIKK says:
and you have bursa too
ERIKK says:
You still have twice as much lands
ERIKK says:
looking at the wm
anarres says:
bursa will be destroyed. size 1
ERIKK says:
wait for it to grow
ERIKK says:
we will be close to each other from that moment on, maybe a new non agression pact?
anarres says:
back. how about:
1) Non-agression pact until 135
2) You take Istanbul
3) You do not settle any more land north of Istanbul until turn 135
4) I will not settle any lands south of Bursa until turn 135
ERIKK says:
OK

So, to recap:

1) Non-agression pact until 135
2) ERIKK takes Istanbul
3) ERIKK does not settle any more land north of Istanbul until turn 135
4) anarres will not settle any lands south of Bursa until turn 135

Here is a close up:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads3/104.ottomans.zoom.gif

All three major Zulu cities are now under Greek control. The Zulus 'did a Rome' and managed to get a settler away. This is ok, since I just made peace with the Zulu for Construction, a worker, and lots of gold :)

Edit: Forgot to mention I have just declared war on France :D

World war is narrowly averted. Meanwhile the green meanies continue to sweep the board.

Will there be a blue rinse in response?

Watch this space.

The Ottoman-deal has given peace between America and Greece until turn 135 :) Here is a map of our war invested continent!

Originally posted by anarres
Well, Rome said something about my mother
:lol:

Why the madness? Go go go Erikk!

A temporary peace has been agreed with the Zulu.

The second French city fell, and I found they had built a new one on the other corner of the continent :confused:

My forces approach the remanants of the Romans, but they now have 2 new cities...

Here is the minimap:

That civ respawning always pisses me off. Go and crush em Anarres :)

After a building period of ages the Pyramids finally were completed in Washington! Because the Americans also have the Colossus within their borders, a Golden Age was triggered! Of course this was all planned step by step by the American authority! We are now facing the ending of another great poject: Zun Tsu's war acadamy in Boston. All in all the Americans once again are quite an industrious tribe! ;)

Meanwhile the Americans have build up a large army for the future campaigns! :mwaha:

I have been a monarchy for a couple of turns now.

LONG LIVE THE KING :king:

As you can see from the minimap, I have been productive :)
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads3/116.minimap.gif

There are 19 turns of non-agression left. King anarres is getting a little concerned at the Americans needless army expansion. :(

One interesting thing this turn - I found a load of barbs near the Ottomans. If they go for ERIKK, his troops are gone...:

Edit:I just ended the turn and all 6 horse units attacked ERIKKs regular warrior on the mountain, and he only lost 2 hit points as well as getting to elite :mad:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads3/106.barbs2.gif

To sum up, ERIKK has a lot of Medieval Infantry that he has upgraded (or he is waiting for Leonardos Workshop), and soon Sun Tzu's Art of War. I expect a push from him in the not too distant future.

I look set to colonise the whole top half of the map, and have made a good start. I have various other things going quietly, but I'll not say as I don't want to spoil the suprise :evil:

The only question is can I get a decent enough defense going before ERIKK attacks with his upgraded Medieval Infantry? :eek:

Originally posted by anarres
There are 19 turns of non-agression left. King anarres is getting a little concerned at the Americans needless army expansion. :(

To sum up, ERIKK has a lot of Medieval Infantry that he has upgraded (or he is waiting for Leonardos Workshop), and soon Sun Tzu's Art of War. I expect a push from him in the not too distant future.

The only question is can I get a decent enough defense going before ERIKK attacks with his upgraded Medieval Infantry? :eek:

Indeed I build up my forces and a part of them are modern. But I was thinking the same: will this end in an arms-race or will we see some action. What is wise? Shall I attack or wait to be attacked? Are the Greeks capable of attacking, if so will my units be in place by then? I have an extensive road network now. Do they have that too, their supply lines are longer...

What are those "other things" he is talking about now for some time? For now all those captured cities are not really productive because most of them are far away from the capital. Anarres needs a Forbidden Palace in the Southwestern area of former Rome I guess..., like I will need one in Southwestern India ;) I attacked India: that city went size 2. But it got destroyed anyway. :mad:

Our nation is very productive and commercial now. Defenses are up and strong. Our cities grow fast and soon every city has a free barracks and granary. :) We may look smaller but are much stronger and soon as big as our opponent.

For the first time ever my score is higher than ERIKKs :D

Probably the last time as well, as ERIKK has Pyramids and soon(!) Sun Tzu's art of war. :cry:

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads3/fg.jpg

The Great ERIKK of the Americans just became annoyed with this situation....

MSN out of order :mad:
Email seems to fail :confused:
People fail to read their PM :aargh: :spank:

This will be our last turn of the day:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads3/118.zip

Well, I must have missed your PM by minutes. I was online myself and checking my PMs and email from 5pm until past 7:30. Please do not be angry. If I had got the game at 7:10pm I could have played it straight away.

I even saw you browsing the boards and pm'd and emailed you as well.

I never got an email after 7pm. It is still not here. I have just downloaded 118.

I am about to eat dinner, and will play after. I will not be able to post it until about 10:30pm GMT, so I suppose you will not get the game in time.

Originally posted by anarres
Well, I must have missed your PM by minutes. I was online myself and checking my PMs and email from 5pm until past 7:30. Please do not be angry. If I had got the game at 7:10pm I could have played it straight away.

I even saw you browsing the boards and pm'd and emailed you as well.

I never got an email after 7pm. It is still not here. I have just downloaded 118.

I am about to eat dinner, and will play after. I will not be able to post it until about 10:30pm GMT, so I suppose you will not get the game in time.

I sent it at 19:10 CET and again 20:30 CET. I guess my mails have been disappeared.... I also had MSN problems like you but when yours where solved mine were still present. :(

great game u guys have :D

I played Erikk once in a MP game, quite a bad experience. :(

Really, cruise?! And I'm up against him in three PBEM's. :undecide:

ERIKK, I got your 118 email after 2am this morning :eek:

hehe 7 hours for an email :vomit:

I am playing turn 119 now.

These are two of the best - in the Aeson, Cartouche Bee, Sirpleb, Moonsinger, Cracker (add your fav top player here) ..... class.

Originally posted by col
These are two of the best - in the Aeson, Cartouche Bee, Sirpleb, Moonsinger, Cracker (add your fav top player here) ..... class.

Thanx Col, but no, I do not belong in that list. I am an Emperor player who occasionally wins a Deity game but loses the most of them. I know four ultra good players with exceptional scores:

1. SirPleb
2. Aeson
3. Bamspeedy
4. Anarres
(These are all micro-manage-beasts! ;) )

From the other ones in the Deity HOF I only know Moonsinger from some of her posts. I guess she is a pro too.

Well I'm a monarch player who wins sometimes on Emperor and never on Deity so looking up to you guys, you're all way above me.

Still as you know winning at MP will not be the same as winning at Diety. We all get set in certain ways that we are used to and can maybe be exploited by someone creative..... I remember once using a dice for my opening moves in Diplomacy. Drove another player who loved to calculate crazy. ;)

Anarres has a PM ;)

Col, will meet you soon! :lol:

game anarres Online Now! Jan 07, 2003 12:49 PM [email notification sent]

ERIKK has already outplayed me in certain key aspects:

1 - Better researching (I was doing 40-turn research, and was very lucky to catch up in tech)

2 - Wonder building (I very rarely build early wonders on Deity and ERIKK beat me to colossus and pyramids and now apparently Sun Tzu! - very good long term prospects)

My response (and my one saving grace) was taking out some AI cities. I decided to expand in to as much space as possible and get a decent powerbase myself. My research is not as quick as I want it, but it will be soon.

My only hope is for a medium term attack. I am not ready for war right now, and neither is ERIKK. The medium term looks good for me because my larger empire will soon be very productive. The long term is bad as ERIKKs wonders will start to pay dividends.

The only questionable tactic on ERIKKs side was getting a Golden Age while in despotism. I changed to Monarchy as soon as I got it, and it only took 3 turns. I think ERIKK should have done this too, although he may be going for democracy straight away (as it has no WW in MP!).

You still havent read that PM....

- Somewhere at 2500 BC: decided to build Collosus + Pyramids for GA. I also wanted another wonder: the Great Library (that time I was ahead in tech) but you catched up in tech so Sun Tzu is a better choice now
- Wanted the Pyramids ASAP for fast land filling...
- GA now excellent for hurrying Sun Tzu, soon it will the time is now for fast build up verteran units...
- like to be Republic instead of Monarchy but researched Monarchy for backup plan if Pyramids got taken by you (Hanging Gardens = industrious Wonder). Waiting for AI to research Republic. If not It can research it in 4 turns.

ERIKK

The Chieftain Indians show their military might!

The Americans offensive got slowed down by fierce Indian defense! American casualties were taken. On the Ottoman front no serious resistance reported. One city captured, one razed and one to be taken soon.

Great stuff guys !
Keep feeding us.

- Col, my bet is on anarres (seems the odds are against him)
- Why in the Hell do we get bulls**t from Col and Melifluous talking about scouser soccer in the middle of hugely important Diplo talks ??????????
:rotfl:

Very funny ! :D :) ;)

How do I join Agent Orange I am a Dutch double agent as well ?

great game, nice read, interesting for DDPP for me too :)

And my bet is ....
I'm quite curious how it will end, I'm thinking Anarres bigger lands will give him the upper hand if Erikk doesnt act soon....

My guess would be war is coming soon. This war will determine the winner. I think it's close but for now my bet is on Erikk

@skyfish: just click on the agent orange : multyplayer conference corner link and post there

It is now 10AD :cool:

Here is the minimap:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads3/130.minimap.gif

The game is pretty close, although I still think ERIKK is ahead in the long run with the Pyramids and Sun Tzu's.

Wow, didnt take long for you guys to get rid of most of the AI.

Of course, it would be different if it wasnt on chieftan...

Do I understand right that because of a bug PBEMs can only be played at Chieftain level ?:(

Sum up
- Sun Tzu created in Boston. (Will post later a screenie.)
- Knights and Med. Inf. prepping for final push on India.
- America is stronger on military according to the military advisor.
- In the F11 screen Greece is ahead of America in alomost everything.
- Both are in Golden Age.
- No diplomacy has been conducted yet for turns after #135. If no agreement will be settled we will enter the Cold War-age...

Current active agreement: a non-agression and non-expansion-border-pact:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads3/130.minimap2.gif
Looking at this screen again, the Americans wonder why the Greek had so many trouble with the former Ottoman city of Izmit (upper and middle/center American city). It is clear that the former French city is too far south....

This are the near future military and expansionist plans of America:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads3/130.minimap3.gif

(I just downloaded Paint Shop Pro 7 and have been playing around a bit. ;) I learn fast and will be able to make some nice battlemaps/plans in the future... :satan: )

Here is a word from our military advisor:

Troop concentrations in peacetime:
2 active divisions (1st Div and 2nd Div) and 3 regiments in reserve. (For security matters I will not spoil by telling how many units an American division or regement has.)

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads3/bat.gif

ps:
I am not into military. Can somebody tell me how divisons, batallions, corps etc.. are made up and what they should consist?

it depends on what country's army your asking... I think there's a difference between the Russian and US armies for example.

I found this in a book:

batallion: 600-1000 men
regiment: 3 bataillons
brigade: 2 regiments or more batallions (depending on command structure)
division: 3 brigades + supporting personel
corps: 2 divisions or more
army: 2 corps or more
armygroup: 2 armies or more

Thanx wvo :goodjob:

The words army or amrygroup I am not gonna use for obvious reasons....

let me see:
1 civ-unit can be a batallion
3 civ-units can be a regiment
6 civ-units can be a brigade
18 civ-units can be a division :eek:
32 civ-units can be a corps

I think I will form some regiments and brigades and maybe a division... ;)

:lol: i posted some more in your other thread. And I used to think of every unit as a brigade in some scenarios ;)

Two turns ago the Americans created a Great Wonder!

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads3/suntzu131.jpg

I like the new pics for wonders in ptw. I didn't realise they had changed...

Hey Anarres: next game will be with 6 AI on Emperor, OK? (Or if you insist, on Deity.)

Very interesting stuff here, as Propain says also interesting to see how this develops for certain DDPP players. ;)

Looks like there'll be a final showdown soon, I feel ERIKK has the best position now, already being the military leader and having the Sun Tzu's in position. Those barracks could prove to be a mighty asset should war break out.

@skyfish, the beforementioned link is in ERIKK's sig! Forgot to mention that.

Originally posted by anarres
I like the new pics for wonders in ptw. I didn't realise they had changed...

And there's a very good graphics mod which shows which civ traits each wonder will trigger - in the same window. I've used to so long I forgot it wasnt standard.

I'm also pretty used to my female advisers ;)

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7630

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=19556

Game still lokks pretty balanced to me. Need more info about infrastructures.

This one may well come down to a couple of crucial dice rolls - and who strikes first and hardest.

I think its gonna get interesting soon when the world powers collide.

Originally posted by col
Game still lokks pretty balanced to me. Need more info about infrastructures.

This one may well come down to a couple of crucial dice rolls - and who strikes first and hardest.

I think its gonna get interesting soon when the world powers collide.

Well, IIRC next turn will be 133. Our non-agression pact will end in turn 135. If we don't agree to a new one... who knows what will happen.... I expect a new diplomacy round this evening.

Turn 135 and the end of our treaty is approaching. We have however just managed to sign a new treaty:

anarres says:
want another treaty?
ERIKK says:
do you want another treaty?
anarres says:
yes
ERIKK says:
for how many turns?
ERIKK says:
you need to upgrade your warrioirs and horses/chariots.......
ERIKK says:
after you build Leo's
anarres says:
erikk - don't worry about what i need to do. i would suggest until turn 160
anarres says:
leo's is just 1 option
anarres says:
there are others
ERIKK says:
copernicus
anarres says:
and you don't know how many shields i have saved
anarres says:
there is also js bachs
anarres says:
and the sistine, but that is useless
ERIKK says:
you can be building 3 cities, like me: palace, FP, and another wonder (GL)
anarres says:
ahh. unless i already have an fp
anarres says:
anyway, what treaty do you want?
ERIKK says:
you might have it indeed (leader)
ERIKK says:
dont know what your Prod is....
anarres says:
hmm. i will tall you at a later date all these things
ERIKK says:
Well, i have been bussy too...
anarres says:
hehe. of course
anarres says:
so, back to the question. i have suggested alread a treaty until turn 160
ERIKK says:
Can I offer you chivalry?
anarres says:
non-agression treaty only
anarres says:
you can offer, but I don't want
anarres says:
do you want invention?
ERIKK says:
YES
anarres says:
so what do you offer?
ERIKK says:
I can offer chivalry and republic
anarres says:
money?
ERIKK says:
no money, wanna keep it
anarres says:
gpt?
ERIKK says:
no way
anarres says:
sorry, but i don't want your techs atm. researching invention would cost you money, so that's what i want. of course, i want much less than it would cost you to research...
anarres says:
i would take the techs, but i don't need them, so it would be foolish of me
ERIKK says:
saving 50 gold p/t on barracks/granaries
ERIKK says:
he he
anarres says:
so give me some
ERIKK says:
I want the non-agression, but till 175 and I want to keep the border between is as it is
ERIKK says:
is=us
anarres says:
thinking...
ERIKK says:
remember I have knights running around for nothing now while you don't
anarres says:
border rules are meaningless. i don't want them because of what happened with that french city. how about non-agression and non-tresspass
anarres says:
?
anarres says:
turn 175 is a bit longer than i wanted, but ok.
ERIKK says:
You got the city, I got mine
ERIKK says:
no rpoblemo here
ERIKK says:
I want the border
anarres says:
where?
ERIKK says:
it is to prevent mix upsi will draw it for you
ERIKK says:
as it is now
ERIKK says:
btw
ERIKK says:
izmit = the border
anarres says:
izmit is which city?
anarres says:
the french one or the ottomans one?
ERIKK says:
the middle one
anarres says:
french
ERIKK says:
which you had problems with
ERIKK says:
those two are the border
anarres says:
yeah. not the western ottomans one
anarres says:
on the east coast we shouldn't have a horizontal border because there is much unsettled land south of that invisible line
ERIKK says:
huh
anarres says:
f**k it. lets just do that. The french middle city will be my southernmost city, and all the lands my citie's borders expand to fill.
ERIKK says:
i have drawn a line in the thread before, lets keep it
ERIKK says:
like that
anarres says:
hang on then
ERIKK says:
the line is a bit misplaced
anarres says:
are you talking about post#126 from yesterday morning?
ERIKK says:
those two cities ARE the border, ok?
ERIKK says:
9:29AM
anarres says:
your central one and mine 1 square higher?
ERIKK says:
y
anarres says:
hehe. post #125
ERIKK says:
Deal?
anarres says:
so, non-agression, and non-settling, and non-tresspass in controlled lands?
anarres says:
i put it like this because i have a couple of wandering troops around
anarres says:
and it will take time to get them north of the border
ERIKK says:
seen them, it is ok
anarres says:
*not* offensive troops mind, just observers
ERIKK says:
let them observe as long as they dont pose a thread
anarres says:
ok, so as i said then. no entering someone else's land, and no settling in prohibited areas, and no attacking. All until turn 175
ERIKK says:
I have to adjust my strategies. I rather have peace than war, but I WAS prepared for war.....
ERIKK says:
deal
anarres says:
hehe. we always try to be ready
anarres says:
can i post
anarres says:
?

edited out some non-diplo chat about graphics programs to use

ERIKK says:
133 - 175 = 42 turns
ERIKK says:
ok thanx
anarres says:
hmm.
anarres says:
long time
ERIKK says:
pressed wrong enter
ERIKK says:
enables us to build up the land!
anarres says:
i am going to start my own thread with confidential info in it if i can find the time. do you think anyone will be interested?
ERIKK says:
I will wait a while with attacking the Ottomans
anarres says:
hehe. i may get that one first
ERIKK says:
what one
anarres says:
east coast
ERIKK says:
it is below the border
anarres says:
i can get promptions and destroy it. it doesn't go against the treaty.
but i don't think i can reach it before you anyway
ERIKK says:
Ah I get it, hmmm, I will have to hurry then... But I assumed you would leave it alone (not crossing the border, only for spying)
anarres says:
if you meant it to be out of bounds then you should have worded the treaty differently. it is however a non-starter because I can not reach it first.
ERIKK says:
I can block it too
anarres says:
mean what you say, and say what you mean or we may have more misunderstandings...
ERIKK says:
phew
anarres says:
hehe
ERIKK says:
That was what I meant
anarres says:
i am actually there atm with a hoplite
ERIKK says:
the east coast is mine
anarres says:
of course. for settling.
ERIKK says:
it is below the border
anarres says:
anyway, it's yours. lets post this diplo
anarres says:
and do you want invention?
ERIKK says:
You said your units were only there for reconnesaince
anarres says:
they were, but that city only just got founded
ERIKK says:
what do you want for it?
anarres says:
i wouldn't send a hoplite to kill a spear
anarres says:
money
anarres says:
it's the only thing i want
ERIKK says:
Forget it, I will research it myself
anarres says:
ok.
ERIKK says:
nice to have dealt with you
ERIKK says:
my attitude is polite now
anarres says:
hehe. see you on the battlefield
anarres says:
how do you change it?
ERIKK says:
havent figured it out. In MP you can change it yourself in the diplo screen but in PBEM you cannot
anarres says:
hmm. i will be annnoyed for the rest of the game then lol
ERIKK says:
he he, everybody hates me atm
Melifluous says:
I like you ERIKK...
anarres says:
i'm not suprised considering what you've done
Melifluous says:
Says mister nice himself
anarres says:
hehe

So, to summarise we have the following treaty until turn 175:

1) non-agression
2) non-tresspass (in to opponents settled land)
3) no settlements on wrong side of north-south dividing line (see post #125)

Tensions lessen as the treaty is signed.

"There have been some terrible events but they are all behind me now. . . . I have in my hand a piece of paper"says your correspondent from the privacy of a small room.

"Peace in our time" is the cry from the people.

However the arms race begins .......

Wow, i wonder if it will really last that long...

ERIKK and I have both said we will play with honour.

We expect to be judged on our actions here, so I doubt if either one of us would break the treaty.

I can't envisage breaking a treaty unless I felt it was the only way to survive, and that certainly isn't the case in this game for either ERIKK or me.

Of course I could be lying, but then who would ever trade with me again?

"Promises only hold the ones who receive them"
Jacques Chirac
President of France

I hope you can play 135 tonight so that i can play the following turn tomorrow morning, before leaving!

See you sunday evening late!

Playing 135 now.

It's good to know you've finally thrown off the despotic government in favour of good old anarchy :D

Originally posted by anarres
Playing 135 now.

:hmm: Are you sure? :lol:

s**t. I was playing 135, and I have the save game for it. I must have sent you 134, but I really can't say why :mad:

I have not tried a PBEM game with AI players yet...are you both able to see what the AI does? It has been a major problem in my hotseat games...

I think I get to see players 2 and 3 (i am player 4), and Mel gets to see players 5,6,7 and 8. It's not very good really :(

I don't think they thought PBEM would be played so much. And it wouldn't if the other modes were playable...

Originally posted by anarres
I think I get to see players 2 and 3 (i am player 4), and Mel gets to see players 5,6,7 and 8. It's not very good really :(

:lol: Hey, where am I in this game? I know what you are talking about, you must be mistaken which thread (of many) this is! :lol:

Anyway, sent 137. What happened to these destroyed cities? IIRC you lost a third city now! (Two forman Roman, one former Zulu. Did you disband them?)

:rolleyes: Sorry guys, I was replying to too many threads at once...

ERIKK - Yes, abandoned them. They were not doing anything useful, and required a unit in to defend.

Well, the first week we played about 110 turns, the second week about 27. This is because we did not had that many time to play (especially this weekend) and the turns take lots longer now.

The American golden age has ended and the nation is currently in Anarchy! Meanwhile our forces are on the offensive again. The next turns the new Ottoman cities will be taken and the remaining desert Indian city too (of lesser importance).

Once America becomes a republic our advisors expect us to grow and be properous again! Currently the 4th and 5th luxioury are being hooked up so that happiness is beeing secured.

There promises to be a long period of peace. Who can say what the two nations are doing internally, as they have stopped trading demographics and technology, and still haven't founded embassies in each others capitals :(

Only one thing is certain. Without meaningful exchange of tech and culture, peace can not last forever :eek:

We should post our demographics again!
We can trade luxiouries!
Got two techs to trade with you!

Demographics
Posting your demographics and mine would only be fair once you emerge from anarchy, as all your stats are meaningless otherwise.

Luxuries
Lux trades are on the cards. I suggest we road our empires together through the Ottomans empire.

Techs
If you are still refering to Republic and Chivalry then forget it. I told you already I don't want them, and definately not for Invention :p

If on the other hand you have researched Theology then I might be interested. :hmm:

Originally posted by anarres
Demographics
Posting your demographics and mine would only be fair once you emerge from anarchy, as all your stats are meaningless otherwise.

Luxuries
Lux trades are on the cards. I suggest we road our empires together through the Ottomans empire.

Techs
If you are still refering to Republic and Chivalry then forget it. I told you already I don't want them, and definately not for Invention :p

If on the other hand you have researched Theology then I might be interested. :hmm:

demo
Damn, you look right through me! :satan:
lux
I hearby will let your worker work in my territory. ;) But do you have a lux I need?
techs
Researching invention myself. You dont have anything I want I guess...

I think these symbols are the convential symbols for military maps: http://www.dean.usma.edu/history/dhistorymaps/WWIIPages/WWIIEurope/ww2e_tos.htm

If anybody knows a site with better symbols, please let me know!

BTW, check this site for great battle/strategic maps: http://www.dean.usma.edu/history/dhistorymaps/WWIIPages/WWIIEurope/WWIIEToC.htm

If you use that he will know right away what is where and how to react :p

I have been experimenting with word 2000 and PSP7 for creating a nice map. This is the result. For me it is a clear map but I am certain it is a unclear mess for others. I am not totally content with it either... :(

Black and with seemed the best solution. Note that the numbers and letters are in fading greyscale. I saw that to late and was to lazy to start all over again :mad:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads3/offensive.jpg

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads3/1st_Inf_Reg.jpg First Infantry regiment
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads3/1st_Inf_Bat.jpg First Infantry batallion
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads3/1st_Cav_reg.jpg First Cavalry regiment
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads3/1st_Att_Bat.jpg First Attilery batallion
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads3/3th_Inf_Bat.jpg Third Infantry batallion

1 civ-unit can be a batallion
3 civ-units can be a regiment
6 civ-units can be a brigade
18 civ-units can be a division
32 civ-units can be a corps

If you use that he will know right away what is where and how to react I think I will post it after the battles. Otherwise it would indeed be foolish.

Let me know what you think and if you have advise, pleae let me know!

ERIKK - we should use the same system if possible, maybe with different coloured units.

That way we can have battle maps with both our forces. What do you think?

Originally posted by anarres
ERIKK - we should use the same system if possible, maybe with different coloured units.

That way we can have battle maps with both our forces. What do you think?

Yeah, I agree. What is your opinion on how to create good maps?

We should use something like Photoshop (which I prefer). If you can't get that or don't want to use the 30-day free trial we can use PaintshopPro instead.

We can create a filter to fade the maps a bit, then add on units like you have done above.

Shouldn't be too hard. Once one of us has put our own units on we should pass the map to the other person to put theirs on as well.

Originally posted by anarres
We should use something like Photoshop (which I prefer). If you can't get that or don't want to use the 30-day free trial we can use PaintshopPro instead.

We can create a filter to fade the maps a bit, then add on units like you have done above.

Shouldn't be too hard. Once one of us has put our own units on we should pass the map to the other person to put theirs on as well.

Great idea. I will download the trail ASAP and start learning the program, experimenting! Do you have the most recent map with you? If so, plz, post it over here!

I don't think a map from the game itself is very suitable. :undecide:

At work, no anything apart from internet...

Hugh amount of maps about Ancient battles through modern wars: http://www.dean.usma.edu/history/dhistorymaps/Atlas%20Page.htm (seems this site is from West-Ponit :eek: )

What do you think of this?
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads3/blauw1stInfReg.gif

Better to see :)

The Greeks seem to have some spare gold:
anarres zegt:
hi
anarres zegt:
just opened the save
anarres zegt:
will you take money for your WM?
ERIKK zegt:
and want your map too
anarres zegt:
my WM is not for sale...
anarres zegt:
and
anarres zegt:
lol
ERIKK zegt:
huh?
anarres zegt:
u want my map _and_ money?
ERIKK zegt:
you sold your map a couple of times to the AI
anarres zegt:
no i didn't
anarres zegt:
not to my knowledge
anarres zegt:
we swapped wm's a while ago
ERIKK zegt:
Ah! Why not again?
anarres zegt:
hmm.
anarres zegt:
just rather not let u know my infrastructure
anarres zegt:
but will pay to know yours
ERIKK zegt:
we have peace for 30 turns, what harm can it do?
anarres zegt:
enough
ERIKK zegt:
huh?
ERIKK zegt:
plz explain
anarres zegt:
i'd rather not.
ERIKK zegt:
Ok
anarres zegt:
so no wm for gold then?
ERIKK zegt:
depends on how much you are willing to pay
ERIKK zegt:
name some gold and i will consider it
anarres zegt:
15 gold
ERIKK zegt:
sure
anarres zegt:
k
anarres zegt:
post this erikk
ERIKK zegt:
I dont mind, my inf. is growing each turn
anarres zegt:
:)
ERIKK zegt:
k

In 310 AD the Ottomans are finally destoyed. It took a while because they spawned in the jungles at the other side of the map. The Indians were taken out 5 turns ago.

The American economy is back in business after beeing surpassed by the Greeks for hundreds of years. Our productivity, annual income, population and GNP is higher again. The American government is aiming for a higher manufactured goods number now. The Greeks produce more than (industrious) us... Workers are improving tiles at a very high tempo. But for now we are happy with less products as our productivity is higher and the Greeks must be producing a little more...., maybe just waste :)

The Greeks have started a civilization offensive :) as they are flooding the world with their culture. Libraries (or temples) are erected in almost every far-away Greek city. One American city is in culture flip-danger. The main American interest in still in population growth, not in culture. Aquaducts are beeing constructed in the few cities that need them :satan: All other production activities are secret :p

Meanwhile in our northwestern sector there is massive Greek activity going on. North of Istanbul the Greeks are placing outpost-cities on hills and are digging in. It is said that soldiers of our infantry regiments in the Instanbul-regio are constantly making fun of these so called "Mountain-Greeks" ;) Nonetheless, American reinforcements are sent to the northwestern sector.
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads3/map41_copy.jpg
American reinforcements on their way to Instabul

This is a recent picture of the worldmap in 310 AD:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads3/map45.gif

The line it is drawn
The curse it is cast
The slow one now will later be fast
As the present now will later be past
For the times they are a-changing

It's almost as though you can hear the weapons being sharpened :satan:

Of course my forces are only there as Peacekeepers, I noticed a build up of American forces and (naturally) assumed they were preparing for invasion.

It should be noted that the Greek nation is a peaceful nation. Since we took under our wing the evil-looking Zulu and the potty-mouth Romans, they have been happily integrated in to Greek culture.

I suspect that America is jealous of our position as world cultural leaders, and to counter the expected ruthless invasion of our lands we are on a high state of alert :eek:

How many roads must a pikeman walk down before he can hear people cry?

The answer, my friend, is blowin in the wind, the answer is blowin in the wind.

Anarres has quite a good number of units. Americans have been weakened through the wars?

Hmmm...., unfortunally that "Greek warrioir" -incident (170 years long) doesn't make the Greeks seem too peacefull to the Americans ;)

And all those Greek units near our cities in the northwest and northeast are a bit intimidating to us. Would you like to remove them (as you asked us 2000 years ago in a same situation (only the other way around), when you told us you did not liked that)?

Or would you like my knights to be positioned the same way near Paris?

Go way from my window
Leave at your own chosen speed
You're not the one I want babe
You're not the one I need
You say youre looking for someone
Who will open each and every door
Who will gather flowers constantly
And be there each and every time you call
Someone who will die for you and mooooooooore
Well it aint me babe
No no no
It aint me babe
It aint me you're looking for......babe

Dylan can't save anyone now Col :evil:

Hmmm...., unfortunally that "Greek warrioir" -incident (170 years long) doesn't make the Greeks seem too peacefull to the Americans ;)The 'incident' was a warrior fortified in your territory for 3 turns. He was origianlly in French territory and must have fallen asleep at his post. As soon as you pointed it out I disbanded him.

And all those Greek units near our cities in the northwest and northeast are a bit intimidating to us. Would you like to remove them (as you asked us 2000 years ago in a same situation (only the other way around), when you told us you did not liked that)?

Or would you like my knights to be positioned the same way near Paris?IIRC, your troops were on my border. I asked for all your troops to move at least 1 square away from my borders as it was causing tensions to rise. This didn't seem unreasonable as your territory was over 20 squares away (so they didn't have a good reason to be there, including defence).

I will happily move all of my troops at least 1 square away from your territory if you do the same. We both have troops near each others borders, I am happy to place a 1-tile DMZ around our territories for the duration of our treaty.

Of course, where our territories touch this is not possible, but we can at least vacate unclaimied land.

Originally posted by anarres
Dylan can't save anyone now Col :evil:

The 'incident' was a warrior fortified in your territory for 3 turns. He was origianlly in French territory and must have fallen asleep at his post. As soon as you pointed it out I disbanded him. Indian territory! :lol:

Originally posted by anarres
I will happily move all of my troops at least 1 square away from your territory if you do the same. We both have troops near each others borders, I am happy to place a 1-tile DMZ around our territories for the duration of our treaty. Agreed! :)

Indian territory :lol:Hmm. Not only sleeping at his post but unaware of whose lands he was in!! Oh well, he has been liquidated. :p

Originally posted by anarres
Dylan can't save anyone now Col :evil:



If you dont like Dylan, I'm open to requests.

How about Barry McGuire?

hehe

Melifluous

I would like the American national anthem being heard all over our continent! :satan:

hehe. The Greeks complete their first wonder of the world:

Leonardo's Workshop

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads3/149.leonado.jpg

Time for us all to check our statistics... :satan:

Here is my F11 screen:

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads3/150.F11.jpg

ANARCHY!!!

Now Leonardo's workshop has been built the Greeks have desended in to anarchy!

Who knows what the future will bring...

The Greeks are now a republic.

Money is flowing in and people seem to be working harder in far away cites :)

I am still not making as much money as ERIKK :hmm:, but at least I am producing more shields...

Originally posted by anarres
The Greeks are now a republic.

Money is flowing in and people seem to be working harder in far away cites :)

I am still not making as much money as ERIKK :hmm:, but at least I am producing more shields...

Turn 161
:hmm: Are you producing more shields? I have to sent some inspectors to check this...

Speaking of inspectors: the Spanish have requested an weapons inpectors party to be sent to Greece as Greece is now formally known to the world as a rouge state; after brutally exterminating the poor French some decades ago! ;)

Consul ERIKK

The French?

Never heard of them ;)

:splat: :hammer:

The poor, poor, poor, poor, poor, poor, poor, AI.
:D

Originally posted by Kevinicus
The poor, poor, poor, poor, poor, poor, poor, AI.
:D

Also the STUPID AI! The Spanish demanded Chivalry from me. I told them to boil their head ;)

Some pics!

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads3/166.jpg

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads3/histo.jpg

roflmao
That is pitiful! :D :D :D

The non agression agreement ended.... The Americans decided to move fast to secure our freedom in this hostile world. The Americans have recently seen an rapid growth in the Greek military. This made the decision for an quick pre-emptive strike look wise. Reports from the battlefield tell us that the Greeks were totally unprepared!

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads3/Abraham-Lincoln-bw4.jpg

Quote:
"The struggle of today is not altogether for today--it is for a vast future also."
Abraham Lincoln


Before our attack:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads3/1before.jpg

After our attack:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads3/1after.jpg

In the first strike 7 Greek hoplite batallions were destroyed and 4 workes were captured. One cavalry batallion was lost after some herioc fighting! We now await the Greek counteroffensive.... :rolleyes:

Here is the before pic at the start of my turn:

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads3/175.before.jpg

First I attacked the mountain in my territory with 2 muskets and 1 Cavalry from the Americans defending. I lost 1 Cav, and got a Cav promotion to elite taking it back.

Next I took a freebe of 4 workers and 1 cannon from ERIKKs mountain, and another 4 workers just to the south. (In fact these 4 were my workers ERIKK had captured the turn before).

Next, I move my Stack of Doom on to ERIKKs mountain right next to his city:

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads3/175.SoD.jpg
Greek SoD en route to Istanbul

Here is a final pic of the area at the end of the turn:

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads3/175.endofturn.jpg

:hammer: :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: :hammer:

As you can see I have an army :D

I got a leader about 15 turns ago when I was taking out the French.

But when I moved my Hops on to the mountain with my SoD I pressed J instead of ctrl-J :mad: :rant:

Well, the Americans ****ed up this turn and the turn before as it seems:
- the American generals forgot that there was a road on that hill and were very suprised to see an army at the gate of Istanbul. This costed us like 8 workers a cannon and resulted in a big hole in the front! We thought this space was unreachable for the Greek cavalry... :rolleyes:
- the American generals forgot this turn to move more 5 musket troops in Istanbul :nospam: Now there is only one. This will probably result in the fall of Istanbul and all my western cav's.
- this last fault resulted in having to replay this turn (146) because I forgot to take pics and excited. This costed me another 15 minutes. The loses are about the same I think, or a bit more on my side. I need sleep! :cry: It is hard to focus when the **** hits the van...
- but the largest and most important mistake I made was the sheer number of horses the Greeks were able to upgrade!!!!!!!

Casualties:
Greek: 1 army, 4 cav's, 4 hop's
American: 6 cav's, 2 mid. inf's

Pic at end of turn:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads3/2after.jpg

Istanbul has fallen, how stupid could I be.... :confused:

The Americans have lost! Not by their stupid mistakes (which they obviously have made). They would have lost anyway as the Greeks had 100 cavs, 40 hoplites + an army and we only 20-something cavs! This difference was not properly shown in the histograph so we were overwhelmed and hadn't enough military to stop them. If the Greeks were peacefull builders, America had good chances with their large and productive cities and hugh cash flow....

Game stuff:
- the americans had handbuild a forbidden palace not very far away from the capital.
- the Americans had almost build Copernicus. They allready had the Pyramids, Colossus and Sun Tzu. Good wonders for surviving a normal game.
- the Amercans had a normal defense force of about 40 muskets all posted at the border. We were aiming for defense only.

Anarres will post our log of the last hours where more things are explained. Congrats Anarres, well done! :goodjob: It was fun to play and I learned alot about playing against a human (well, eeeehhh, against Anarres ;) ). For everybody: do not let you guide by the power-histograph. Anarres had more than twice as much units but according to this thing just about 10% more than me! :mad:

And now it is time for my bed! :sleep:

Here is the power-histograph of the beginning of turn 176:
[IMG]http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads3/power11.jpg

Here is my troop of reserve cavalry, they were hidden just out of sight last turn:

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads3/176.reservecav.jpg

These forces attacked the muskets on the grasslands to the north of Istanbul, then softened up Istanbul for the main force.

My SoD attacks Istanbul, and kills 9 Cav and 1 Musket. I take the city, forgetting to raze it, so I abandon it instead.

Stats: 4 cav losses. 15 cavs and 4 muskets killed.

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads3/176.istanbul.jpg


On the eastern front, last turn I have moved my 2nd division in to position:

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads3/176.eastcavs.jpg

I take madras to the south, killing 6 muskets and 1 warrior for 1 cav loss. I capture a cannon and bombard the pike to the south.

Here is the eastern front at the end of the turn:

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads3/176.easternfront.jpg

The Greeks have taken the Americans in such a huge show of force that they have surrendered!

Here is a minimap at the end of turn 176:

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads3/176.minimap.jpg

My invasion force consisted of over 100 cavalry and 50 hoplites. Over 4000 gold was spent on upgrading horsement to cavalry.

I had built an FP quite early in a city close to my capital like ERIKK, during my Golden Age.

Since then my basic strategy was:
- build leonardo's workshop
- change to republic from monarchy
- make sure all cities had marketplaces
- build hoplites and horesmen
- research military tradition, then save gold
- mass upgrade to cavalry


Here is a log of the coversation we had during the battle (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads3/176.log.zip). It covers those two rounds in some detail.


This has been an amazingly fun game to play. I look forward to the rematch I have already promised ERIKK.

Great, and how many PBEM games am I playing against you annarres? Well, at least i know that you like cavalry :p

Jebus. Nice game!

Wait a sec.. why is it over? Seems to be still pretty equal...

Just 2/3 turns of war ? Too bad...
I wonder what col will say about fighting 'til the last minute...
Still it was an absolutely great game and thanks a lot for the fun.

PS :
By the way col I win my bet !
...and may I remind you Anarres was the underdog ?:D ;) :lol:

Originally posted by anarres
This has been an amazingly fun game to play. I look forward to the rematch I have already promised ERIKK.

Good, I am ready for a new game, this time on Emperor, 6 AI's, Pangea 60% water, temperate, 5 billion. As in all my PBEM games the expansiniostic treat has given me no settler, so I'll choose Egypt to play with this time. If you're addcition tells you to start a game right away (like mine ;) ), for you the hounor to set it up!

I hope you will! :cool:

Just 2/3 turns of war ? Too bad... Yeah that was a bummer... But I was defentitely finished off after 2 turns. In like 10 or 20 turns he would have conquered all my territory.

Wait a sec.. why is it over? Seems to be still pretty equal... Only in size and under F11, but not in (offensive) military....

Originally posted by Skyfish
Just 2/3 turns of war ? Too bad...
I wonder what col will say about fighting 'til the last minute...
Still it was an absolutely great game and thanks a lot for the fun.

When your army is wiped out it is over.
quote]
PS :
By the way col I win my bet !
...and may I remind you Anarres was the underdog ?:D ;) :lol: [/QUOTE]

Bet?
I would never bet against Anarres. I have too much respect for his play - and I knew what was coming here.

The best chance against him was to hit hard and first and hope to take out his SoD before it rolled over.

They're selling postcards of the hanging
They're painting their passports brown
The beauty parlour is filled with sailors
The circus is in town
...
As lady and I look out tonight
On desolation row

And so it ends
Not with a whimper but with a bang.

Originally posted by ERIKK
Good, I am ready for a new game, this time on Emperor, 6 AI's, Pangea 60% water, temperate, 5 billion. As in all my PBEM games the expansiniostic treat has given me no settler, so I'll choose Egypt to play with this time. If you're addcition tells you to start a game right away (like mine ;) ), for you the hounor to set it up!

I hope you will! :cool:hmm. I will wait a day or so as I need to reconnect myself with reality. :crazyeye:

Our game should be on Deity for the AI, especially since our difficulty will be cheiftain. Maybe we should set our difficulty to emperor or deity as well in the editor (sumthinelse knows how to do this).

What do you think? Make it a real challenge for us? :D

Originally posted by anarres
hmm. I will wait a day or so as I need to reconnect myself with reality. :crazyeye:

Our game should be on Deity for the AI, especially since our difficulty will be cheiftain. Maybe we should set our difficulty to emperor or deity as well in the editor (sumthinelse knows how to do this).

What do you think? Make it a real challenge for us? :D

Well, if one us does not have a good or moderate starting location he is f*cked. But if our diffculty is on chieftain it is fine with me. Let just keep it that way and have a clausule that if one of us is in the desert or jungle we start over.

Originally posted by col
Bet?
I would never bet against Anarres. I have too much respect for his play - and I knew what was coming here.

Don't worry, he will be defeated someday!

It was interesting loading the saves of both players a few years before the end and seeing the different approaches. Erikk had the more complete civ in terms of development . Anarres had a lot of horsemen, more coming and intimimated his strategy to me.

In the end that avalanche of cavalry swept the board before riflemen or infantry were available.

Great game to follow. Thanks guys.