Making A Webpage... [Archive] - Civilization Fanatics' Forums

cgannon64

Jan 01, 2003, 10:43 PM

Yes, I'm going to try to make a webpage. I'm wondering, is there any way I can learn the basics of making one? What code do I have to learn, if any? I'm totally new at this, so...any basic intro stuff there is online would be extremely helpful. I'd also going need to know all about paying for it, getting it on search engines, etc.

I don't want help, I'd just like someone to point me in the right direction. I might need help with code, if that is required...:o

(Maybe I shouldn't do it after all...)

CG

EDIT: The various typos that occur at 11:41pm. You know how it is.

Civddict

Jan 01, 2003, 10:48 PM

do you have microsoft word ? if yes make some document and save it as web page. that would be your first web page :goodjob:
add some more stuff into it and you have your best web page yet :goodjob:

just see how thing works. you don't need any coding at all for basic-to-medium page.

If you have MS Front Page, even better.Very easy to use. Making simple web page = making document in word.

Narz

Jan 02, 2003, 01:38 AM

HTML is awesome, its so easy. Here's an example

<html>
<head>this is a webpage</head>
<body>
Write whatever you want here, you
can
skip lines
or skip spaces
and it still comes out beautiful.
A simple HTML book with teach you everything you need to know about tables, lists, images and basic formatting.

Shoot, I barely know any HTML I just copy and paste from previous pages I've made. Good luck, designing web pages is alot of fun! :goodjob:

- Narz :king:

</body>
</html>

Narz

Jan 02, 2003, 01:40 AM

Don't quit. Let us know how you web designing is going! I wish I had started at your age!

Jeratain

Jan 02, 2003, 05:51 AM

http://www.pageresource.com/html/index2.htm

Go there, read up, learn :) It's fun and it's easy.

I really don't reccommend using Microsoft Front Page unless you want to get a bunch of rambled out code. But if you're new at it and just want to do it as easily as possible I suppose you will be alright using Front Page.

gael

Jan 02, 2003, 07:52 AM

Frontpage will allow you to make a basic webpage with out any fancy graphics, buttons or drop down menus etc.

Html is the basic code that is used in websites, other codes are used to make the more complex stuff. You don't really need to know all this if you are only starting off, as the programs or software usually do it all for you.

If you want to make a nice looking web site you should look up Macromedia software, their state of the art and pretty user friendly.

Thier lattest 'Fireworks' and 'Dreamweaver' programs while allow you make a cool looking website. They are very expensive, but there are ways of getting them for free and lots of tudorals on the net.
'Fireworks' on it's own would even be good enough for creating a cool looking interface and it is easy to get the hang off. I think Fireworks 6 is the latest one.

You could get Macromedia studio MX, if you have the resources, this containes all of thier lattest programs together.

Stick at it, i'm only going through the process of learning it now and believe me it looks more complicated than it really is.

Lucky

Jan 02, 2003, 08:00 AM

You sound like you "only" want to make a webpage and not the learn the accompanying languages. If that is so, then you may as well use any webpage composer like FrontPage or the Netscape Composer. :eek: :ack:

If you really want to learn HTML and later other languages for webdesign as PHP and Javascript, the best would be to use a simple text editor. I can only recommend TextPad, it comes with predefined configuration files that mark up your code so that it´s better viewable, just like the "PHP" tag here in the forum marks PHP code in an appropriate way. :mischief:
http://www.textpad.com/

The marking looks similar to this and let´s you easily browse through the code:
echo('blah');
$x = 0;
if( $x != 0 )
{
echo('bleh');
}

When starting to code in HTML, you should use the verification means available on the net to check your code. HTML unfortunately is very weak at precisely telling you what´s wrong in the code, since it´s written to accept more or less everything.
So use the official HTML validator to browse through the code:
http://validator.w3.org/

Not only will you gain compatibility with ALL browsers, unlike most websites, the validator also quickly cracks down on simple syntax errors, like forgotten closing tags or so. :yeah:

Of course there are also several good webpage editors out there where you only need a minimal amount of programming knowledge, yet they still create a proper code unlike FrontPage or the like.
:D

spycatcher34

Jan 02, 2003, 11:24 AM

One thing to add when making a htm(l) file DONT use word use notepad. Word puts some uhgly stuff in there and it often wont display properly. Frontpage is hard enough to learn for the little help it provides. I'd suggest just using html or get some sorta portal that would be best.

cgannon64

Jan 03, 2003, 10:00 AM

:hmm: I guess I'll look through the sites you guys linked but...don't expect anything soon. I don't want to use any of those programs you all reccomended; it will be too easy and I've seen some of them, they look like crap. :) Don't expect my website to be up soon, as I have to look through those HTML code tutorial things and I have alot of work, but learning the basics of HTML would be a start, right? :D

CG

cgannon64

Jan 03, 2003, 10:36 AM

Just a quick question: Does capitalization matter in HTML? I don't think it does (it said it didn't on some site) but I went to that validator, and they said my little HTML test wasn't even HTML! Huh? :confused:

CG

Sodapop

Jan 03, 2003, 11:11 AM

If you want to use the validator, you'll need to put a line at the top of your file...

<!doctype html public "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">

And no, capitalization doesn't matter :)

cgannon64

Jan 03, 2003, 11:56 AM

Thanks for all the help. I have one last question: Is there a reason NOT to use the <pre> tag? I mean, it pretty much eliminates the need for and ...surely it must have SOME bad side-effect, because if it doesn't...:D

CG

EDIT: I put that line at the top, Unknown Soldier, and it still gave me the same response. Maybe you put a typo, I don't know. But anyway, I'd really like if that thing worked, because its features (finding missing tags, etc) would really help a noob like me...

Sodapop

Jan 03, 2003, 12:48 PM

:o

You also need to add this line after the <html> tag...

<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1">

Then it should work :D

cgannon64

Jan 03, 2003, 01:04 PM

Thanks, Unknown Soldier, it worked now. Damn, I have alot of errors...:eek: Alot of them confused me too. In the document I uploaded, it was a direct copy (pretty much) of what was on that website Jeratain posted. This is what I had:

<html>
<head>
<title>Test Page</title>
</head>
<body>
This is my first test page. Hey, I can to HTML! Sort of...
</body>
</html>

And this is the errors it gave me:

1. Line 4, column 5: document type does not allow element "HEAD" here (explain...).

<head>
......... ^

2. Line 7, column 5: document type does not allow element "BODY" here (explain...).

<body>
..........^

3. Line 10, column 6: "HEAD" not finished but containing element ended (explain...).

</html>
..........^

4. Line 10, column 6: end tag for "HTML" which is not finished (explain...).

</html>
..........^

What's up with that? Mine is almost exactly like Narz's, so I don't see whats wrong...:confused:

CG

Damn you HTML Validator...

EDIT: Ugh, my placeholders came out wrong. I'm too lazy to fix them, but they are all supposed to be pointing to the ^

Lucky

Jan 03, 2003, 05:23 PM

Not your fault, it´s Unknown´s error (sorry soda ;)).

Every META tag belongs INTO the head, not before it, so:
<html>
<meta ...>
<head>
...
will consequently give you those errors.

The correct code for your example would be:
<!doctype html public "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
<html>
<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1">
<title>Test Page</title>
</head>
<body>
This is my first test page. Hey, I can to HTML! Sort of...
</body>
</html>

This will give you no errors at all (it should :p).
But things like where META tags belong to are covered in every good tutorial.

W3C also supplies with much more info on all things concerning webdesign.
For reference to HTML tags and attributes, consult the latest recommendation. Maybe it´s best to start here:
http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/REC-html401-19991224/cover.html#minitoc

For an overview of HTML file structure (i.e. what belongs) where, read this:
http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/REC-html401-19991224/struct/global.html

But keep in mind that this is the official recommendation and not really intended for beginners. If you feel comfortable with this, very goog, but it might be best to read a few "simpler" tutorials first.
:D

Lucky

Jan 03, 2003, 05:35 PM

Originally posted by cgannon64
Thanks for all the help. I have one last question: Is there a reason NOT to use the <pre> tag? I mean, it pretty much eliminates the need for and ...surely it must have SOME bad side-effect, because if it doesn't...:D

CG

Let me quote from W3C:
The PRE element tells visual user agents that the enclosed text is "preformatted". When handling preformatted text, visual user agents:

May leave white space intact.
May render text with a fixed-pitch font.
May disable automatic word wrap.
Must not disable bidirectional processing.

Non-visual user agents are not required to respect extra white space in the content of a PRE element.
Note the use of the word MAY, meaning the browser does not have to respect the PRE tag.
But more important is the second line. Word wrapping adjusts the line length to the users screen resolution if possible. If that is disable and say you create a webpage that looks good for you in 1600x1200 using the PRE tag, it will give horizontal scroll bars for every smaller resolution, which is VERY annoying for the viewer.
Just like my code tag above "breaks" this page in my browser, too. ;)

There are of course other issues. With PRE you format your text with spaces and newlines only. This way it is much more complicated to make several columns for example or boxes and the like.
And when a viewer has set his own font display option for his browser, the spaces and newlines will most likely not fit at all anymore. :rolleyes:

One important thing to keep in mind is that not every viewer uses the same screen resolutions. Websites announcing they are "optimized for blahxblah" are generally ill designed.
Of course you will most likely not be able to fulfill the dreams of a 640x480 user when at the same time making your page look perfect for 1600x1200. But do not concentrate on one resolution, check the others out, too.
:D

cgannon64

Jan 03, 2003, 06:08 PM

Thanks Lucky. I knew <pre> would have been to good to be true. I was also wondering when you arrive, as it seems you are the first to answer every code-related question I have...:mischief:

So far I haven't even started on my website yet, but I will probably soon. Before I do anything complex, I just want to learn how to write a regular paragraph like this one, and I'm happy to report that I'm getting along fine. It will probably be a week or two before I actually start: right now I'm just reading through the tutorial posted. They have a good amount of things that I needed to know, like making an image a link, email links, etc. I just have to get comfortable with basic HTML before I can start writing my own page.

I have one random question: HTML recognizes up to one space inbetween letters/words, but past that, it ignores, right? And it ignores lines, right? So if I had:

<body>Blah Blah Blah

Blah
</body>

It would come out like this, right?:

Blah Blah Blah Blah

and if I wanted to make it look like that, I would do this:

<body>Blah Blah *nbsp;*nbsp;*nbsp;Blah Blah

Right?

CG

EDIT: Replace all * with &.

Code is fun!

cgannon64

Jan 03, 2003, 06:29 PM

I shouldn't have to many basic questions from now on. I just discovered something: I can answer most of my questions just by experimenting and opening up stuff in Netscape to see how it looks. :D

CG

EDIT: Typo that misinterpreted what I was trying to say. Back into the breach, my friends. (aka HTML)

Lucky

Jan 03, 2003, 06:58 PM

Yep, that´s more or less correct. Except the 3rd blah would be more indented with the & nbsp; ´s. ;)

And yes you can. You should always have a browser ready to check the effect of any changes you make in the code.
:D

cgannon64

Jan 03, 2003, 08:27 PM

Everything is going pretty well. I have a rudimentary "Links" and "Interests" pages in progress now. Nothing special, just testing out my skills in a useful manner. I'm running into problems making different colored, different sized titles however. I'll put in the green tag for the title, and the whole page comes out green, the title disappears, and everything changes size. Maybe I'm messing up the tag, I'll have to check.

I have a buisness-related question about a website: How much does it cost to buy a domain (www.blah.com)? Is it a monthly cost? I guess, if I have to, I'll go to GeoCities or something, but I really don't want to. Is there some way I can make a site for free but have ads (sort of like what we have here)? I am totally clueless as to the actual website part of a website, if you get what I mean...:)

CG

EDIT: Fixed it. Forgot a tag. Silly me.

cgannon64

Jan 03, 2003, 11:28 PM

I did alot of work tonight. Got the mainpage all written up, as well as a links page, an interests page, a page about Cowboy Bebop, and a page with all the legal junk I have to say. I've decided to post them, so you guys can see how I'm doing. If I get time tomorrow, I'll try to add some images, and the little things a page that make it that much more readable. The current one is pretty much text. The links in the Links Page should work, and I'm not sure about the links on the Main Page. Here's an example of the link I put in:

<a href="bebop.htm">Cowboy Bebop</a>

I don't know if that will work. It should work if you get all the right files, but I don't think it would if you only get some of them. And I'm not even sure if it would work if you have all the files. All I know is that it worked on my comptuer...:ack:

CG

Crap, I just found out that I can't upload .htm files. Oh well. I'll copy and paste them into the next post...we'll see how that comes out...

cgannon64

Jan 03, 2003, 11:33 PM

Warning: I am not responsible for the murder that copy/paste will do to these. Actually, I am, but thats beside the point. Its 12:30, I want to go to bed, so I'm taking the cheap way out. Here is the main page code:

<html>
<head><c>Gun Rose Bebop
</head>

<body bgcolor="green" link="yellow" alink="yellow" vlink="red"> 
Welcome to Gun Rose Bebop. This is the hompage of me, Conor Gannon. Like most homepages, this one lacks a reason. I have no logical purpose for making this,
and yet I am. I'm doing this mainly so I can test out my knowledge of HTML, but also because I feel like having an homepage to express myself on. I'm
probably going to first post this page with nothing, but I'll update it as I go. As Narz put it on his site, it is an "ever expanding world."
Who knows what this site might eventually become, but right now it is just a humble test of a 14-year-old's HTML skills. Welcome to Gun Rose Bebop. A strange name, yes.
A strange site? Maybe. ^_^ 

Links 
<a href="bebop.htm">Cowboy Bebop</a> 
<a href="interests.htm">Interests</a> 
<a href="linkpage.htm">Links to Other Sites</a> 
<a href="legal.htm">Legal Junk</a> 

Jan 4, 2003: 12:08a Added the Cowboy Bebop page. I've decided that these constant updates are kind of redudant, and I shouldn't do them. But, there
are alot of things to update early on, so I figure these are justified. I mean, adding a whole new page is a big thing so, it warrants an update. Added a nice essay
introducing Cowboy Bebop. Tomorrow I have homework to do, and we are going to my grandma's house, so I probably won't get much work done. In retrospect, this has been
a very nice start to my site, though: five pages including the page. Nice work for a few hours, if I may say so myself. Miami might lose! Go OSU!-CG 
My left eye sees the past... 

Jan 3, 2003: 11:23p Fixed up the main page so it looks all nice and stuff. Added a set of links to the main page, and the previously (Unnamed Site)
is now the grand, epic Gun Rose Bebop. In case you're interested, it's a combination of one of my favorite stories that I have written (A Gun Isn't a Rose)
and my favorite show, Cowboy Bebop. How did I come up with it? I sat on my couch, thinking of stuff. I knew I would use Bebop in my title, as a homage to the show,
and suddenly the name Gun Rose Bebop came to mind. What does it mean? I don't know. But it sounds cool, right?-CG 
I'm the only one who can kill you...and the only one who can keep you alive. 

Jan 3, 2003: 9:47p I just started work on this site, with my basic knowledge of HTML. The most advanced thing I know
is background colors and links, laughably. Anyway, I've gotten a good first draft of the Links and Interests page, and I'm just
starting the main page. OSU is beating Miami too. Go underdog!-CG 
See you space cowboy

The Bebop page:

<html>
<head>Cowboy Bebop
</head>
 
<body bgcolor="green" link="yellow" alink="yellow" vlink="red">I've decided to devote an entire sub-page,
or an entire set of sub-pages to Cowboy Bebop. I'm starting now with just a sub-page devoted to an intro and pictures, but if
I want to, I'll do more in-depth pages on each episode, characters, themes, etc. Anyway, this page is just a little intro for
those of you who haven't seen Cowboy Bebop. 
What is Cowboy Bebop? That is a tough question to answer. Cowboy Bebop trancends genres. By definition, it is anime. For those
of you who have been living under a rock, anime is another term for a style of cartoons, invented, perfected, and usually made in Japan.
Cowboy Bebop is an anime show that lasted one season, for 26 episodes, and a movie. It wasn't cancelled because it was bad or unpopular;
the creator decided to pull the plug on the show, saying that he should stop it in its prime. I don't want to spoil the ending for you, but
if you have seen it, you know why they decided to cancel it. If they decided to do a second season of CB, but kept the current ending, it wouldn't
be CB. That's all I'll say. 
Anyway, CB is more than anime. One of its unique qualities is its use of music. One of the main themes of the show
is music. Music is often discussed in the show and some of the characters are musicians. Every episode and the movie are named after a song.
But, besides this, the music in CB is unique. It ranges fromjazz, which is the most often used genre of music, to soft rock, to Japanese vocals. The show is
famous for its use of music, and rightfully so. The wonderful band behind the music is The Seatbelts, a Japanese group. 
Again, CB is more than just music. The characters in the show seem shallow and sterotypical on the surface, but as the hidden, deep storyline of the
show unfolds, we see that each of them has a past that makes them who the are. Each character seems like some of the sterotypical anime characters at first:
the blase bounty hunter, the gambling rebel woman, the lovable father figure bounty hunter, the smart dog, and the young computer hacker. However, all of these
characters are revealed to be deeper than they appear, with a past that they hide. The first thing that drew me to Bebop was the characters and the action, but
what made me a fan of the series was the compelling storyline behind the characters. 
The art, themes, and symbolism of Bebop can only be noticed if you have watched at least a good number of episodes. They are subtle; you can't notice them
from watching one episode. At first the art of Bebop seems nonexistant, but when you look at some other anime on television, you see that it is actually very
well drawn. The themes and symbolism in Bebop are also subtle. After watching a few episodes, you can see connections between each one. Spike's bad relations
with women, the constant smoking by most major characters, and repeated references to the character's pasts all make the show very enjoyable to watch. Bebop grows
on you; you like it the first time you see it, and each episode grows more complex and enjoyable as you watch. 
What is unfortunate about Bebop is the scarcity of it. There were 26 episodes made, but about 5 weren't released originally, if I remember right. The only way
one can see all 26 episodes is if they watch reruns on American television (Cowboy Bebop is on Adult Swim at 12am on Saturdays. I've heard this may be changed soon,
I'll keep this updated) or if they buy the CB DVDs. Recently the movie, Knocking on Heaven's Door was released in Japan and shown at an Anime Film Festival in
New York City. It was supposed to be released Janurary 2003 in America, but has been recently moved back to March 2003. Lets hope it comes out at all...=/ 
I hope that, if you aren't into Bebop when reading this, you go and watch the show next Saturday. I hope that, if you liked the show, but haven't watched it
in a while, you go check it out next Saturday or watch one of the DVDs. Or, even better, I hope you are a Bebop fanatic like me and you agree with everything I said.-CG 

<a href="mainpage.htm">Back to the Main Page</a>

The Interests Page:

<html>
<head>Interests
</head>
 
<body bgcolor="green" link="yellow" alink="yellow" vlink="red">I'll be updating this page periodically, as my interests grow. I may eventually take down some of these interests, when I am no longer interested, of course.-CG 
<ur>
<li>Civilization III: This game has occupied much of my time over the past year. I seem to have lost my addiction to it, but it was good while it lasted.
The game provides depth and fun like no other Turn Based Strategy game I've played, and if you are into TBS games, definetely check it out. Of course, if you get tired
of playing just against the AI, you could always check out CFC (see my <a href="links.htm">Links</a> page). With forums, 25,000 members, and some of the most dedciated
Civ players I've seen, its a great way to expand your game. Check out their Succession Games, their very popular Game of the Month, and their DemoGame. And say I sent you. ^_^ 
<li>GameCube: My current and only 'next-gen' system, I'm quite fond of my GC. You may call me a fanboy, but I prefer the term 'loyal'. 
<li>Metroid Prime (GC): One of the greatest games I've played in a while, I'm quite fond of MP. At the time of writing this, I've almost beat it, but I would gladly play it again
on hard mode. If you're thinking of picking this up, let me remind you: Its an FPA (First Person Adventure) not an FPS. Sure, its technically in the first person, and yes, you shoot things,
but it isn't your sterotypical FPS experience. It emphasizes exploration rather than action, and as you play, you'll find its non-linear style much more Zelda influenced. 
<li>Age of Mythology: As I'm writing this, I don't yet own AoM, but I should very soon. When I own it, I can make this little anecdote more updated. My first experience of it was 10
minute load times and amazing graphics, but this was on my friend's 128MB RAM compture. I have 384MB, so when I get it, lets hope its a little..er...faster. 
<li>Cowboy Bebop: Going away from games for a moment, I'd just like to talk about my favorite show. Cowboy Bebop (or CB) is the best anime I have seen to date. Quote
me on that. It seems like so much more than anime to me: its characters, storyline (the storyline is hidden; to the casual observer, its just a series of random episodes), action, art, themes, and
symbolism all make it so much more than anime to me. Its my favorite anime show, favorite show, and probably one of my favorite stories all around. I can't wait to see the movie, whenever it comes out
in America. I'm quite sad that they only made 26 episodes and a movie, but as its creator said, they had to stop while it was good. I really don't like most other anime shows. I've heard that there
are some CB-influenced anime shows out there, and anime shows similar to CB, but none of them here in America. Damn my cable company. I'm moving to Japan when I'm older. ^_^ 
<li>Writing: I haven't done enough of this lately. Before I got into Civ3 and HTML, I wrote stories alot. I had about 15 short-fiction stories when my computer crashed (damn you ME) and I lost
everything on my hard drive. I recovered one of them (it was printed) and I wrote another one. I may upload them eventually, but until then, you can know the titles. Vigil was the story I recovered,
and A Gun Isn't a Rose was the one I wrote. I won a Silver Award at the New York City Scholastic Writing award for short science-fiction for a story I wrote titled Two. I have not yet
recovered that story, but I think I may be able to if I can find a printed copy somewhere. The loss of everything on my hard drive disheartened me, and I've taken a temporary hiatus from writing. During this
hiatus, I've picked up gaming and started learning HTML and visiting forums alot more. Was losing my hard drive a good thing? We'll have to see. 
<li>Reading: I don't really have a favorite author. I mainly read what they givthe e us at school, but occaisonally, in the summer, when I am away from a computer, I get into 5 book-a-week binges of certain
authors. In 2000, I read about 15 Aurthur C Clarke books. In 2001, I read about 15 Philip K Dick books. I don't know what I'll binge on this summer; maybe history books. That's my other reading interest, besides
sci-fi and regular fiction: history books. Not historical fiction, but history books. I love reading about the 20th century, especially WWI, WWII, the Cold War, Vietnam, pretty much every part. 
<li>HTML: I just started learning this in early January. At the time or writing, I don't even know if I'll have a website, but I'll still learn HTML. At first I found code boring, but now
its actually interesting to me. Maybe I'll try to learn PHP or C++ in the summer, I don't know. Either way, I'm learning HTML quickly, I guess (I've learned basic enough commands to write this in a day). If it works
out well, and I can at least get my site up, I'll probably learn another language. Who knows, I may become a progammer. I'll see what life tosses me. 
<li>Movies: Nope, this isn't a bullet about movies I like. My friend and I have made a short film. It is only about 20 minutes long and it i live-action using action figures. Its got everything you'd want in a movie
made my 14-year-olds: blatent hands controlling the action figures, laughing, and hopefully some actual comedy. Its titled The Adventures of Generic Man. Its the thrilling tale of one man, his voice actor, and
his quest to save the world. Some of the minor characters include God, Random Stranger, The Two Horsemen of the Apocolypse, and the Lotus Eaters, to name a few. We like to think of ourselves as a young
Monty Python, but we're probably just a bunch of silly 14-year-olds with a crappy digital camera. 
<a href="mainpage.htm">Back to the Main Page</a>

The Legal Page:

<html>
<head>Legal
</head>
<body bgcolor="green" link="yellow" alink="yellow" vlink="red"> 
This site is © 2003 Conor Gannon. Email me if you want to link to this site; its not that I really care about that, but if you link to me, I want to link to you.
I think its a law somewhere, to. ^^; If you would like to email me with praise, constructive criticism, or you are a
friend of mine (this includes offline and from forums), you can email me <a href="mailto:conorg@nyc.rr.com">here</a>. Don't
email me with flames, spam, porn, viruses, or spyware. If you feel like adding something to my site, email me, I'd be happy to post it.
If you would like to help me with code or have suggestions, feel free to email me. I'd like to get email from visitors, so I can at least
know that people acknowledge that my site exists (heh). My IM name is cgannon64. Feel free to IM me for the same reasons that
you would email me. If you flame or spam me, or just generally piss me off, I'll just block you.-CG 
<a href="mainpage.htm">Back to the Main Page</a>

This is getting to long, I have to put the link page in another post.

CG

cgannon64

Jan 03, 2003, 11:36 PM

The Link Page:

<html>
<head>Legal
</head>
<body bgcolor="green" link="yellow" alink="yellow" vlink="red"> 
This site is © 2003 Conor Gannon. Email me if you want to link to this site; its not that I really care about that, but if you link to me, I want to link to you.
I think its a law somewhere, to. ^^; If you would like to email me with praise, constructive criticism, or you are a
friend of mine (this includes offline and from forums), you can email me <a href="mailto:conorg@nyc.rr.com">here</a>. Don't
email me with flames, spam, porn, viruses, or spyware. If you feel like adding something to my site, email me, I'd be happy to post it.
If you would like to help me with code or have suggestions, feel free to email me. I'd like to get email from visitors, so I can at least
know that people acknowledge that my site exists (heh). My IM name is cgannon64. Feel free to IM me for the same reasons that
you would email me. If you flame or spam me, or just generally piss me off, I'll just block you.-CG 
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If you don't already know how to see these in your browser, here is how>: copy/paste these into NotePad, and then save it as a .htm document. Then close NotePad and open them from My Documents. It should open in IE or Netscape or whatever you use in colored glory.

CG

To NotePad! No, wait, to bed! To bed, and then NotePad!

Sodapop

Jan 03, 2003, 11:45 PM

Originally posted by Lucky
Not your fault, it´s Unknown´s error (sorry soda ;)).

Every META tag belongs INTO the head, not before it

Bah, META shmeta... :p Too much of an habit to put them in the right place to remember where to put them when it's time to say it. And anyway, meta are useless (at least IMHO :p )

WildFire

Jan 03, 2003, 11:49 PM

Wow, good work so far CGannon. If i wasnt so lazy, i would make one (but on who knows what).

Narz

Jan 04, 2003, 12:12 AM

Not bad. Its addictive isn't it? Once you get started you just want to expand and expand! I wrote almost the whole philosophy section on my page in one night (and have barely been back since :lol: ).

Everything looks good so far. The only suggestion I have is on your interests page perhaps to put a between the bullets (or make them 's). Also you posted your legal page twice (instead of the legal page and the links page).

Keep up the good work! :goodjob:

- Narz :king:

Lucky

Jan 04, 2003, 07:15 AM

For local links you should always the relative linking method instead of providing the full URL. So the way you did it is the best.
<a href="page.html">page</a> is always better for local pages than using
<a href="http://host.domain/user/page.hmtl">page</a>
:D

cgannon64

Jan 04, 2003, 11:14 AM

Originally posted by Narz

Everything looks good so far. The only suggestion I have is on your interests page perhaps to put a between the bullets (or make them 's). Also you posted your legal page twice (instead of the legal page and the links page).

Thanks, I'll try that later today. I have alot of (home)work to do today though, and I have to go to my grandma's house, so not much will get done today.

Narz, or Lucky, you both have websites, you could tell me the money side of getting a domain? I'd love to have gunrosebebop.com, but...:D

CG

cgannon64

Jan 04, 2003, 12:50 PM

I'm running into problems again. I've been trying to make an image a link for my main page. I'm postive I got the code right (I put in <a href="bebop.htm"><img scr="bebop.gif"></a> ) but it keeps on coming out on the site as the Image Unavailible thingy (the little white square). This happens in Netscape 7 and IE, so I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong. Is there only certain types of pictures you can use? My image WAS pretty simple: just a colored oval with "Cowboy Bebop" in the center, but it's not working. :(

CG

gunrosebebop.com isn't taken...

Lucky

Jan 04, 2003, 01:48 PM

To buy your own domain is pretty expensive. The cheapest are the .net or the like, but .com is much higher. I would not recommend it unless you also get to make money with your website. For a single person it´s quite a lot.

Concerning the pic, make sure it´s in the right directory (i.e. in your case in the same as the html file).
And it´s <img src=...> not scr. But that might be just a spelling mistake in your post above.

For webpages you should generally use small sized pics in JPG or GIF format. Also pretty common is the PNG format, but you will probably have no imaging program for that.
:D

Sodapop

Jan 04, 2003, 06:24 PM

Originally posted by Lucky
To buy your own domain is pretty expensive. The cheapest are the .net or the like, but .com is much higher. I would not recommend it unless you also get to make money with your website. For a single person it´s quite a lot.

Beep error... :p .net and .com are exactly the same price... Which is around 10 bucks U.S. if you search for a deal... But that doesn't include any hosting, so if you don't have a broadband and a comp to leave on all day for server purpose, you have to add more fees...

GIDustin

Jan 04, 2003, 10:09 PM

Hosting your own web page is fun, as there is no rules, and you can do what you want. However, some ISPs dont give you much upload bandwidth, and make your site slow. I remember back when everything on my page went slower than 15k, and that was for just one user. If 5 people were browsing, they each got 3k. I guess if you have a fast connection, it would be worth it.

I wrote an HTML tutorial for a contest, and won $100 for it, but the site is down at the moment. :( The url, when it works again, would be http://totalhtml.gidustin.net

HTML is really fun. Perl/CGI is much more fun, but that is because it is HTML and then some. Programming in general is fun.

GIDustin

cgannon64

Jan 05, 2003, 11:26 AM

Originally posted by Unknown soldier

Beep error... :p .net and .com are exactly the same price... Which is around 10 bucks U.S. if you search for a deal... But that doesn't include any hosting, so if you don't have a broadband and a comp to leave on all day for server purpose, you have to add more fees...

$10 a MONTH, or just a flat out $10? Because, if its a down payment of $10, I could convince my parents to spend that, but $10 a month is a different story...

So far it looks like I'm going to have to try GeoCities or something like that. Argh. Oh, and Lucky: you're right, it was a typo in my code, I'll try and fix it. :)

CG

cgannon64

Jan 05, 2003, 05:49 PM

Well, I've broken down and put it up at GeoCities. Check it out: www.geocities.com/cgannon64/mainpage.htm (http://www.geocities.com/cgannon64/mainpage.htm).

Its nothing much, but at least its online. I'll try to add pictures, sound, and more pages later today. :D

CG

spycatcher34

Jan 05, 2003, 05:55 PM

Hey that's not bad! Not Bad at all! Sorta christmasy but what the hey! But why bother with validationg stuff? Just through somthing together me says! If it doesnt work in netscape, who cares?! They shouldnt be using that browser anyway. :mischief::goodjob:

Sodapop

Jan 05, 2003, 07:16 PM

Originally posted by cgannon64

$10 a MONTH, or just a flat out $10? Because, if its a down payment of $10, I could convince my parents to spend that, but $10 a month is a different story...

So far it looks like I'm going to have to try GeoCities or something like that. Argh. Oh, and Lucky: you're right, it was a typo in my code, I'll try and fix it. :)

CG

Buying a domain name is a yearly thing. So it's 10 bucks a year. But don't buy a domain name just for fun. You have to either have a host that will give you your own ip adress, or host it on your comp. Free sites normally won't just let you have a domain and free hosting. Also, if you want to buy a domain name, be sure to get one that will let you choose your dns settings (DNS server stands for domain name server, and basicly they are big storage for domain name and where they are redirecting)

Hey that's not bad! Not Bad at all! Sorta christmasy but what the hey! But why bother with validationg stuff? Just through somthing together me says! If it doesnt work in netscape, who cares?! They shouldnt be using that browser anyway.

Spy spy spy... When will you learn? :p Validation is the most important thing about a site. You have to make sure that everyone will see it as it should be... If you don't, you'll loose potential users, and sometimes you can't spare those...

Oh, and remember, you have to care about those who simply don't have the choice, like linux users... So a big yay for validation :goodjob:

cgannon64

Jan 05, 2003, 07:34 PM

Originally posted by spycatcher34
Hey that's not bad! Not Bad at all! Sorta christmasy but what the hey! But why bother with validationg stuff? Just through somthing together me says! If it doesnt work in netscape, who cares?! They shouldnt be using that browser anyway. :mischief::goodjob:

Ha. The links are supposed to be yellow at first, but I think I screwed that up, I'll have to work on that. I'm still puzzled about that picture thing though; now, even if I make the code right, they come out as tiny red lines. Argh! Anyway, it doesnt work in Netscape or IE...:hmm:

CG

EDIT: The image problem is getting better. Now I'm getting a correctly sized square with a red X in it! Oo yeah! :o

Black Fluffy Lion

Jan 06, 2003, 04:31 AM

Pretty good for a first site, well done :goodjob:

I suggest you get a better host though. there are plenty of free hosts that won't do banner ads, and geocities just plain suck. You won't be able to get the website validated at a high level because of the junk geocities bung onto the page for ads. http://www.freewebspace.net/ is the best place I know to find one...

also, I could get picky about the level of HTML - it's very 4.01-esque (fonts, center, etc.), XHTML is the way to go...

cgannon64

Jan 06, 2003, 03:05 PM

Originally posted by Black Fluffy Lion

also, I could get picky about the level of HTML - it's very 4.01-esque (fonts, center, etc.), XHTML is the way to go...

Yeah, but...well...one step at a time, right? I'm trying to learn higher up as as I go, but time is pretty scarce right now. Plus, my mom, after seeing my site, is convinced that I could do her English Department site, involving flash, etc. I'm trying to tell her that I need more time to learn basic HTML for God's sake, let alone anything more advanced like that.

About the GeoCities thing...I just wanted to get it online, which is why I hurried and posted on the first place I could find. In fact, TF just told me about godaddy.com, which gives you a domain for only $8.95 a year, but...it's sort of too late now.

Stats for the Main Page (I'm not counting the others, because most of them are just people who advanced from the main page): 76 on Sunday, 6 today. Ouch, that's quite a drop-off. The only answer would be to spam at other sites, but that's not really an option...:mischief:

CG