This thread should be used for contact with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

Minister of Foreign Affairs: eyrei
Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs: donsig

Please include a link to the Term 4 thread in the first post of this Term 5 thread.

Congratulations to both eyrei and donsig! I will definitely appreciate the use of lower case letters in this thread. :) I look forward in anticipation to both of your opinions.

I would like to propose a system of cyclical agression where we are permanently on a war footing. Cyclical agression calls for a semi-permanent war against a fairly distant foe. We maintain alliances against this foe to keep our neighbors friendly. We then go alone against our true objective in short term wars with defined objectives. Once our objectives are achieved, we make peace and declare war on the next target.

Originally posted by Shaitan
I would like to propose a system of cyclical agression where we are permanently on a war footing. Cyclical agression calls for a semi-permanent war against a fairly distant foe. We maintain alliances against this foe to keep our neighbors friendly. We then go alone against our true objective in short term wars with defined objectives. Once our objectives are achieved, we make peace and declare war on the next target.

Well, the first part of this is already in effect. As far as short term wars against another target, I also agree. Russia and/or America would be that next target.

I think Cyc brings up a great point in your poll on this matter. A short-term "surgical" strike (I'm not sure what that means exactly as we don't have the means to perform surgery yet ;)) against Russia to secure the lands nearest our FP would likely require only a little preparation. Also, this war could end relatively quickly with an extortion of some valuable technologies. All the while, we could be building up our offensive forces for an eventual invasion of America to the east.

eyrei
Congrats again to you and your staff. I look forward to working with you again this term.

I'd like you to set some quantifiable goals for this term and post them in the opening post so that we can evaluate our progress as the term progresses.

For example... Do we still need to establish any embassies? What relationships should we strive for with which nations? Should we strive for any long term agreements (RoP, etc.) with any nations? ...and so on...

I appreciate your attention to this matter.

My goal is the same as it has been since the beginning of the game: fight wars only with those we wish to fight them with. Any relations with other nations are established only to provide a benefit to us, with no sentimental values attached. They are all our enemies...

Embassies are expensive, and we have them with all civs within striking range of our borders, so I see no further need to establish them until we actually need to use them. In fact, the only civ we do not have an embassy with is Greece, and they are furthest from us.

I consider the civs to our south and west the most dangerous to us, and do not wish to unilaterally go to war with any of them. One ally will mean that most likely our side will have more civs than the opposition once the alliances start.

Here is some useful info about our relationships to the other civs:

1. Only the Persians, Zulus and Russians are monarchies. The rest are republics. Greece is in anarchy.

2. The military strengths of Babylon, Persia and China are equal to our own. Our military is larger than all the others.

3. The Russians have a military alliance with China against Persia. They also have a RoP.

4. Our alliance with India against the Persians can be cancelled any time.

5. We have a RoP with the Iroquois. It can be cancelled at any time, though our relations would suffer (they are already cautious).

6. The Babylonians are disdainful of our culture.

7. The Babylonians have RoPs with everyone to the west and south of us. They also have trade agreements with the Iroquois, Russians, and Chinese as well as with us.

8. The Persians are unwilling to part with anything of value for a peace treaty.

9. The Babylonians are willing to sign an alliance against Persia...this could be used to keep them out of a war with Russia.

10. We have an alliance against Persia with the Indians that can be cancelled at any time.

11. The Russians have only 18 gold in their treasury...this is not much to buy alliances with.

12. We will be renegotiating the Chinese alliance against the Persians in 2 turns.

13. The Iroquois have neither trade agreements, alliances or an RoP with the Russians. They could probably be bribed into a war with them.


It is the opinion of the Minister of Foreign Affairs that any declaration of war against the Russians, Babylonians, Chinese, Indians or Iroquois should be accompanied by at least one alliance with one of the other civs in that group.

It is also the opinion of the Minister of Foreign Affairs that the Russians are the best target out of this group of civs for a declaration of war, as it will be easiest to turn their other neighbors against them.

I posted in the wrong thread :)

Excellent post, eyrei. That's the kind of post I enjoy reading. It's like a good copy of the DFZ, filled with useful, timely information. :goodjob:

Indeed. An excellent summation. Polaroid couldn't have done better. :goodjob:

A council vote to approve many new governors and a Judge Advocate is underway. eyrei, please cast you vote here. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=40794)

attention governor/department leader.

If you need something rushed, or upgraded please post so in the budget thread located here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=40496) . Check to see how much it costs then post the amount and the reason it needs to be rushed, or upgraded.

Thanks

Hammurabi is willing to enter into an RoP as well as an alliance against Persia. An RoP with Babylon would be very valuable were we to strike Russia in the near future.

Russia is also willing to give us their WM and 3g for our WM. This is another deal that would benefit us were we to attack Russia soon.

We can investigate Osaka for 80g, Rostov for 55g and Minsk for 136g. Again, this would help were we to target Russia soon.

Does the FA Minister support any of these initiatives?

Originally posted by donsig
Hammurabi is willing to enter into an RoP as well as an alliance against Persia. An RoP with Babylon would be very valuable were we to strike Russia in the near future.

Russia is also willing to give us their WM and 3g for our WM. This is another deal that would benefit us were we to attack Russia soon.

We can investigate Osaka for 80g, Rostov for 55g and Minsk for 136g. Again, this would help were we to target Russia soon.

Does the FA Minister support any of these initiatives?

I support the first two, but I do not wish to tax our treasurey by investigating cities. If we attack them with overwhelming force, we should be fine.

Pardon me for wandering into the forum -- although it seems to have been held in a lovely public place. I've been exploring this wondrous realm and was looking for a government job. Nothing with a fancy title, but just something useful for a wandering Ragpicker and Explorer of Cultures. I am too unfamiliar with the country to run for office.

I would agree with the Honorable Minister on the lack of justification for great expense on investigating cities at this point. Or has the collapse of the southern frontier changed the terms of the discussion.

Feodor
(just signed in, haven't found the current map yet.)

Originally posted by Feodor Ardent
Pardon me for wandering into the forum -- although it seems to have been held in a lovely public place. I've been exploring this wondrous realm and was looking for a government job. Nothing with a fancy title, but just something useful for a wandering Ragpicker and Explorer of Cultures. I am too unfamiliar with the country to run for office.

I would agree with the Honorable Minister on the lack of justification for great expense on investigating cities at this point. Or has the collapse of the southern frontier changed the terms of the discussion.

Feodor
(just signed in, haven't found the current map yet.)

You could start by asking one of the governors for a position as mayor, or simply participate in the disucussions in the citizens forum, which is probably the best way to get involved.

Am I still the ambassador to Apolytonia? Or did someone else take the job after I left?

Originally posted by Zarn
Am I still the ambassador to Apolytonia? Or did someone else take the job after I left?

As far as I know, you are...

eyrei,

Please look over and respond to my plan for our military response to India's agression. It need some ironing out so please join the discussion.

Four Rally Points Against India (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=41323)

Please look into this peace renegotiation for Economics. It's the cheapest price that I have found:

America -
Renegotiate peace:
Econ. for Gems, WM, 201g

The 2nd cheapest was: Economics for Furs, WM, 247g (and that's a normal trade)

Originally posted by Chieftess
Please look into this peace renegotiation for Economics. It's the cheapest price that I have found:

America -
Renegotiate peace:
Econ. for Gems, WM, 201g



This sounds fine to me, though I would prefer to use gpt rather than cash. Using gpt would also provide an extra incentive for the Americans to remain peaceful while we deal with the Indians.

I will leave it up to the trade department to post any necessary polls for this transaction. The renegotiation of the peace treaty has my approval.

Ok, the other possibility is:

gems, wm, 11gpt, 3g (223g total)

Hm. Maybe we should take Cheiftess' suggestion and go to war against America at the end of the 20 turns? That would give us time to build up and conquer the Indians.

If we could take the reputation-hit we could even start the war earlier to save some gold?

I should've thought about breaching a peace deal...

Looks good, CT, though I prefer lump sums.

With this new outbreak of war with the Babylonians, I suggest we draw up new alliances with our neighbors. The Iro's will ally with us against the babs for Incense, China will do the same for a World Map and 18gpt, and the Russians will do the same for a World Map and 19gpt. This is very affordable, and I think we should do it right away. What do you guys think?

I agree, we should pull in all three.

I agree on the Iroquois and the Russians, but not on the Chinese. They wouldn't get to Babylon in time to do any good, so why invest in them?

Feodor

Originally posted by Feodor Ardent
I agree on the Iroquois and the Russians, but not on the Chinese. They wouldn't get to Babylon in time to do any good, so why invest in them?

Feodor

It will only take a few turns for cavalry, or riders to make it to Babylon. They also have a sizeable military...

I just noticed something! We have no embassies with Greece, Persia AND Babylon! Two of these nations are at war with us. If Babylon, Persia and Greece have an MPP with eachother, we won't even know about it!

EDIT: I just noticed in an earlier save that we do have one with Babylon. But, in the 1000AD save, the little dot in the FA screen isn't there. I never noticed that before. So, I wonder if we have one with Persia or not...

I do not think we have one with Persia...we have been at war for millenia...

With all these PIs flying around, we may have forgotten that there is a turn chat scheduled for Tuesday evening. We need some input concerning a RoP or some other treaty with some of these neighbors moving troops across our territory.

There has been a discussion thread open for almost 24 hours now...

And I just opened a poll concerning the possibility of blockading the land bridge.

Don't worry, I will be posting instructions.

I saw the discussion. I was just suddenly overcome with a bit of concern that the last scheduled Turn Chat of the month would be washed away in the midst of the sudden rash of Public Investigations that have recently plagued my administration.

Thank you for remaining vigilant throughout.

I am a bit worried about that myself, Mr. President.

As there may be a turn chat early in the term (ie. Saturday or Sunday), I would like to suggest that the current officials carry out their responsibilities in preparation for that potential turn chat.

Eyrei, there are a number of alliances that I believe have expired and those against Babylon may expire during the next t/c. Should we go ahead and end those against India so that we can make peace with India? Should we cancel the alliances against Babylon when the 20 turns have passed? Please post the appropriate discussions/polls, and thank you again for your service this past term.

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Eyrei, there are a number of alliances that I believe have expired and those against Babylon may expire during the next t/c. Should we go ahead and end those against India so that we can make peace with India? Should we cancel the alliances against Babylon when the 20 turns have passed? Please post the appropriate discussions/polls, and thank you again for your service this past term.
If our inscrutable Foreign Minister could do that without ruffling too many feathers, it would be a great idea. We can make further conquests during an Age of Building by picking up the scraps from other peoples wars. Our alliances should only be those that keep others from making war on us.

Feodor
(World-weary, working on his map of the new Waldensee province.)