Its twice as much fun with two civs each.

Here's the lineup :

col = carthage + germany
erikk = america + china
anarres = rome + arabia
melifluous = zulu + persia

These two nations are gonna be friends for life! let the mayham begin!

The American starting location:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads3/save1.jpg
Here the American city of Utopia has been founded!

The Chinese starting location:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads3/save2.jpg
Here the Chinese city of Chinatown has been founded!

I did a 2 vs 2 game on hotseat recently against my brother. Make sure that you are not after eachother. For example 1 than 2. Make it so you are like 1 and 5 or something like that.

That American capital is going to kick some serious behind ERIKK!

hehe. We do have our turns after each other. It's deliberate so we can play both turns at once.

We are all equal, so how can it be a problem?

Rome and Arabia have made a stand.

United they shall rule the world :satan:

Long Live Romabia :D

Rome:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads3/1.start1.gif

Arabia:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads3/1.start2.gif

Those are also very good starting positions. Wow that gold is going to be very good for the commercial Romans!

Hi all!

Well Zulu and Persia start their own little empires in the sun...

Well bit frosty for the Zulu, but they'll survive ;)

Zulu:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads3/2v2v2v2MelZulu.jpg

Persia:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads3/2v2v2v2MelPersia.jpg

Good god ERIKK.. :crazyeye:

3 COWS?!?!

Melifluous

3 cows...

ERIKK is gonna kill us all :cry:

Oh Erikk you remember that alliance we discussed .... ;)

Hmmm, at least 2 civ are very high on the map!

Yeah three cows! You'd better not be my neighbour! :lol:

Oh dear - that sounds like me ....

6 v 2 anyone?

Originally posted by col
Oh Erikk you remember that alliance we discussed .... ;)

Oh, yeah, wasn't that the one in which you would give me half of your empire for me leaving you alone and be your friend for 20 turns? ;) :lol:

I think that it is low to have your civs decalre war on each other for elite/leader creation.

I WANT IT PROHIBITED!

Do you all agree? We have raging barbs, there we be plenty of fighting

I agree. I think attacking yourself should be banned.

Of course we may accidentially go to war with ourselves through MPP's, but we should ban deliberately doing so.

hehe going to war with yourself :crazyeye:

Wow I never even thought of that...

What other dubiousness can there be? :eek:

Also RAGING barbs? WOW.. :eek:
What exactly are the conditions on this map?
Sorry, kinda missed the startup chat :p

Melifluous...

Mel - against raging barbs you get something like +400% bonus on cheiftain, so your warrior is unlikely to lose...

Starting stuff: Pangea, Raging Barbs, everything else random.

i think I suggested attacking yourself to get leaders. I wasnt really serious guys - just my fertile creative mind at work ;)

Of course it should be banned.

Mm what else can I come up with to counteract 3 cows ....??

how about backstabbing ;) :lol:

hehe, I promise not to hold a grudge :rotfl:

Sshhhhhh

Here's my starts -

And no jungle in sight ... :)

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads3/Col_start1_4x2.jpg
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads3/Col_start2_4x2.jpg

COL! Delete those images!

I opened the first and can see the minimap with your position on the WM.

I can show you later how to edit them smaller (when I get home)

Col and I are within 6 or 7 squares from each other :(

I dont know if this will be much fun to play... He is next to my cow-city.... Before he has a merc I can have a couple of warriors on his productive soils... Also I still think there are continents!

Any comments: come to MSN!

edit: mel and anarres also saw your minimap! I did not saw your maps but have a scout overlooking your city in turn 2 :mad:

WE HAVE RESTARTED THE GAME

This is the Carthaginians

I have two new locations. They are all right I guess, but not as good as the others... And the others have better locations now :mad:

This is the American location:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads3/save1-1.jpg

This is the Chinese location:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads3/save2-2.jpg

And this is the Germans

Some say you shouldnt settle first turn next to a goody hut - you cant get a settler going first. Opened it with worker - cant get barbs if no units - but no settler guys......rest easy

col, you can't get a settler when you have one already.

hehe. I got a tech from my hut :D

Again, Romabia makes a play for world domination *yawn*

Rome:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads3/001.start1.gif

Arabia:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads3/001.start2.gif

Originally posted by anarres
col, you can't get a settler when you have one already.



i knew that really - wasnt really trying for one - too unbalancing imo

Originally posted by col


i knew that really - wasnt really trying for one - too unbalancing imo

Pfff..., yeah sure! Are you serious? :lol:

Of course - I'm an honourable player.

Diplomacy more your style then col ;)

:rotfl:

Oh all right - I admit it- I was so occupied setting up the game and taking snapshots of my starting positions that I screwed up. I'd intended to wait a turn before building but forgot while I was doing the snapshot. Too excited by the sight of the cow I guess.

:blush:

OK my screenies...

Much better this turn :D

Persia:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads3/4x2_StartMelPersia.jpg

Zulu:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads3/4x2_StartMelZulu.jpg

Yay!
Lets go...

Melifluous

Originally posted by col
Oh all right - I admit it- I was so occupied setting up the game and taking snapshots of my starting positions that I screwed up. I'd intended to wait a turn before building but forgot while I was doing the snapshot. Too excited by the sight of the cow I guess.

:blush: No worries col, when I set up Agent Orange 4 I forgot to move my units and set my research first turn :rolleyes:

I still remember the time in a tournament game when I built another palace with a leader instead of the FP that I meant to build..... :blush:

OK, quick question for us all....

Are we all available tonight?
Can we get some movement on this game?

Melifluous.

PS. I passed the 100 post mark! wow... :p

I am!

But only this evening: 18:30 to +/- 02:30 CET This saturday and sunday I have am totally consumed by social life!

@Mel : you definitely benefitted most from the restart. From no cows no rivers to rivers, cow, lotsa shielded grass and wheat. better thank col for posting that 1st image ;)

@erikk Now i see where you rushed after we discussed the leader generating schem :lol: I'm amazed no one thought it up before, i discussed it briefly with Sultan Bargash in his 2 headed giant game a few weeks ago. I still want to use it in a 2human vs 4 ai deity game and punish the ai for all the deity losses I have amassed.

Originally posted by ProPain
@Mel : you definitely benefitted most from the restart. From no cows no rivers to rivers, cow, lotsa shielded grass and wheat. better thank col for posting that 1st image ;)


The reason for the restart was that my city was four squares from Erikks 3 cow city. He could have taken it within a few turns and there was nothing I could do about it. Even I could have wiped Erikk had our starts been reversed.

Taking a civ out at the very start was thought to be game unbalancing - and would have spoilt the game for everybody.

Hence the restart.

I'm not available tonight- I did say this was a tough week. Out socialising tonight + tomorrow. Sun night will be available and should be back to normal next week. I have been trying to keep things moving this week as best I could.

In that case he should thank the map generator.

Lets see if we can do the odd turn over today and tomorrow.

Col - maybe you can play a turn before/after you go out today/tomorrow?

yup - ok up to 7 tonight but out all day tomorrow - its my dad's 80th birthday today and the old scrote is having a party today and tomorrow! :beer:

Anarres has it ATM!

sent on to mel who has sent on back to col :)

Originally posted by anarres
sent on to mel who has sent on back to col :) Who sent it back to ERIKK who sent it back to Anarres! :lol: I hate civs without scouts in a PBEM :mad: Pressing only ENTER, doing nothing else, feels so stupid!

Guys!

If we are gonna have a new session tonight.... I'll be around till 23:00 CET! ;)

This Chinese warrior needs to be produced! :mad:

Hmm well even if I cant be on all night...

I can check my mail every hour and play a turn if needed...

Or maybe I can get on, gotta check with my wife :rolleyes:

Melifluous

We have played a few more turns now.

My forces (Rome and Arabia) have met up at last. Now we are ready to really do some buisiness :evil:

I would post a map, but it would all be too obvious...

I will update again as soon as I meet someone else :)

Ok now! Who is holding back the save? :satan:

Last one I sent to Anarres was turn 012_erikk2.sav (3450BC). AFAIK that one was sent to Melifluous by Anarres friday early in the evening!

Col and/or Mel wake up! ;)

OK,

Well I know I played this game I have the next save for Col here...

Just in case I didn't send it...
Have sent it again...

Sorry if this is my fault...
Might have been drunk at the time :p

Melifluous

Originally posted by Melifluous
OK,
Might have been drunk at the time :p

Melifluous
If only this narrowed it down .... ;)

Ok - got it, played and sent to Erikk.

The honorable and nobal arabs have stumbled across the zulu...

Trade Mel?

Errrr... :hmm: last save I have seen was the one I sent 21st early in the morning. Are those diplomatic conversations taking that much time? ;)

Sorry man.

I'm away on work, back tonight...
Just had to get these win2000 servers into a state where I could post on the forums ;)

Will play this soon...

Melifluous

I trade with mel. Here is the log for everyone except ERIKK and col.

Notice mel's diplo style ;) :lol:

Turn 20 is now in anarres' mailbox!

Popped more huts but got nothing!

I really like this game, especially as my two civs have met up and joined forces already (in fact, several turns ago).

I wish you all well :evil:

Hello ERIKK :)

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads3/020.x2.america.jpg

Tricky Arabs tried to decieve the Americans in some diplomacy... We gave them nothing!!!!! :satan:

Not for Mel and Col!

:saiyan: All you three were online and playing yesterday evening but there was no 4x2 in my mailbox this morning!!!!!

Cough Cough Anarres Cough

cough BS cough cough

I don't have 4x2.

I was programming last night, and waiting for PBEM games to flood my inbox. I got none. Ziltch. Zippo.

I have not had a 4x2 since the night before last :eek:

OK What time was that anarres?

I sent the 4x2 the night before last at 20:02 GMT to Col...
He said he played that and sent it to ERIKK...

So if it was after that then you didnt send it to me :p

Melifluous

I don't know! Col prease resent that last turn to me. I might not have recieved it... Last turn I know of was the one in which we did that diplomacy (that was anarres' turn 22 IIRC).

Ok - will resend when I get home from work tonight - about 1700 GMT.

Sorry Anarres. Erikk was wingeing and Mel and I havent seen it for a couple of days so we thought .....

Cough Cough Erikk Cough

Hmm OK this narrows it down a bit...

I have not received a turn 22 to my knowledge from anarres

Melifluous

Dont resend Col, I haven't had this yet...

Originally posted by col
Ok - will resend when I get home from work tonight - about 1700 GMT.

Sorry Anarres. Erikk was wingeing and Mel and I havent seen it for a couple of days so we thought .....

Cough Cough Erikk Cough

I will not be able to play until 22:30 CET or so. But I am not sure if I am the one... You might sent me your latest save which i already played and sent to anarres...

And we all know anarres' reputation... ;) :lol:

:p

I reserve the right to be completey wrong about everything. :lol:

But seriously, I played 2 turns2 nights ago, the last one was past 9.30pm I think. (And I think also turn 22)

Mel, you sure you haven't got it in your mail??

I have sent turn 22. It is dated two nights ago at 9:32pm.

If I forgot to sent it the first time round I apologise, it just goes to show how much I need to write the PBEM utility :rolleyes:

Originally posted by anarres
cough BS cough cough

I don't have 4x2.

I was programming last night, and waiting for PBEM games to flood my inbox. I got none. Ziltch. Zippo.

I have not had a 4x2 since the night before last :eek:

:p

OK, I gotta admit this...

IT WAS ME!!!

I had the Turn22 save on my PC at home!
I had played it...

So I have sent that one to Col!

2v2v2v2_Cols_Turn_2900BC.sav

Sorry guys...

Anarres is great! Not his fault...

ITS ME! woohoo!

Anyway Col has it...

Melifluous

Um - you resent a save we'd already played boyo.

Anyway I played it again and sent to Erikk again.

hahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahaha

If I weren't so damned nice I would ask you all for an apology ;) :satan:

:worshp: :worshp: :worshp: :worshp:

Originally posted by col
Um - you resent a save we'd already played boyo.

Anyway I played it again and sent to Erikk again.

Again???

I havent recieved turn 23 from you. Either you did not sent it or the mail got lost...

Lets just blame anarres for all of this and everything is OK again..., OK? :satan:

It was turn 22 again Erikk.
Sent this at about 8.15 GMT

I'm all in favour of just blaming Anarres. It saves time and unpleasantness.

Originally posted by col
It was turn 22 again Erikk.
Sent this at about 8.15 GMTOK i will skip that one until you sent me 23.

Originally posted by col
I'm all in favour of just blaming Anarres. It saves time and unpleasantness. Great, that's settled! :p

blah blah blah.

It's ok, feel free to blame me. I am so used to it being my fault that it really doesn't bother me any more. ;)

Oh, while we're here, who wants me to kill them first? :evil:

Er actually I think it was Mel's fault after all.

:hmm: 1....2.....3......

We is the save? :confused:

(last one I sent was 03 feb 20:34 CET

I just played and sent 29.

On the 3rd I was out in the evening, and yesterday was spent doing other civ3 things...

Last save col and me have is from 14 februari.

I have this save: 14 feb 21:48 (turn 33). Have you (anarres or Mel) played this one already?

I haven't seen 33 yet. It may have got lost in my ISP move if I am meant to have it...

Got the game from anarres and sent col the next turn...

Melifluous