Vote: Link

vote: robbiecon for that desperation vote.

This post proves that people have known my identity for a while now:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=10337484&postcount=671

Reading over the mayor's quicktopic, some of my deceased allies mentioned Takhisis as being basically the only active cop besides Romanic. Further, if I remember correctly, the names of the cops have been known pretty much all game long.

Takhisis being an active cop, but never being attacked, even with the sudden spike in murders, tells me that he's either been extremely lucky, or the mafia seems to think an active cop is no threat.

For me, personally, that is bull. It's almost as bad as claiming doctor publicly and then surviving the whole game. That means something is a lie.

Vote: Takhisis

Robbiecon is a fine suspect, but I think it's a good idea to discuss and pressure several suspects this round, and make as informed a decision as possible. We may only get one more shot at this, if there are two murders.

These are fine points, and we do need an alternative wagon to robbiecon.

vote: Takhisis

Oh well. My victory was impossible anyways.

In addition, 6 people didn't vote yesterday, 4 of them were WOG'd. The only two who weren't were myself and Link.

Vote: Link
This post proves that people have known my identity for a while now:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=10337484&postcount=671
Identity≠Alignment≠Innocence. You're too scummy. vote:robbiecon
Reading over the mayor's quicktopic, some of my deceased allies mentioned Takhisis as being basically the only active cop besides Romanic. Further, if I remember correctly, the names of the cops have been known pretty much all game long.

Takhisis being an active cop, but never being attacked, even with the sudden spike in murders, tells me that he's either been extremely lucky, or the mafia seems to think an active cop is no threat.

For me, personally, that is bull. It's almost as bad as claiming doctor publicly and then surviving the whole game. That means something is a lie.

Vote: Takhisis

Robbiecon is a fine suspect, but I think it's a good idea to discuss and pressure several suspects this round, and make as informed a decision as possible. We may only get one more shot at this, if there are two murders.These are fine points, and we do need an alternative wagon to robbiecon.

vote: Takhisis
If we go with pizza's reasoning we could just vote for taillesskangaru as well. I don't know why the Vipers or the Sharks -or the SK who was inactive anyway- never attacked me, but as a rookie without any abilities of his own -except the tailing, with which we did uncover a couple scummers, but I just enabled it- I was practically worthless.
Most of the scum were uncovered by one of their teammates and lost interest in the game, sprig went AFK. There can't be that many scummers left.
What happened to the lead on Zack? It's strange that he said he had data from an informer and then he was killed.

If you want an alternate wagon, well… I can already sense robbiecon changing his vote to me to try and save his scummy hide.

I have strong reason to believe Taillesskangaru is innocent.

How many people knew you had no abilities? If that's the case, then it's possible the mafia avoided targeting you because you were not a threat to them. There also seemed to have been a struggle for the mafia to murder at all, so it's possible they just never got around to it.

Link does deserve some pressure. I am having trouble deciding between these, because each were suspected by people who are now dead and innocent, and I have no evidence removing them from suspicion.

I have strong reason to believe Taillesskangaru is innocent.
Me too, I was just making a point.
How many people knew you had no abilities? If that's the case, then it's possible the mafia avoided targeting you because you were not a threat to them. There also seemed to have been a struggle for the mafia to murder at all, so it's possible they just never got around to it.
All the police knew. I assume Nictel knew too and passed it on. Most of our game plan and abilities were posted on the QT that Nictel leaked anyway.
Link does deserve some pressure. I am having trouble deciding between these, because each were suspected by people who are now dead and innocent, and I have no evidence removing them from suspicion.
Well, what is the suspicion on me?

Process of elimination leads to a small handful of suspects of the people remaining. I can't clear you, so you're one.

I agree on the other candidates though. I have nothing clearing those, so the noose is tightening. I'd prefer to get it right this round, and not leave it up to chance.

It would seem to me if I were mafia in this game, and I were you, I wouldn't just flat out lurk and cross my fingers. The fact that you're active every day and still alive and never attacked is all I have to go on.

That said, I don't want to make up my mind purely based on the mafia kills. It just leaves us open to manipulation. More solid evidence would be that Link should have been wogged and was not. Robbie.... I dunno.

The trouble with neutral/survival roles is that they aren't really fully allied with the town. They can switch. So, even if Robbie is a survivor win condition, he doesn't have to go after the mafia, and the mafia don't have to go after him. That plus the fact that he's a suspect are all compelling reasons to lynch him over anyone else.

But, there ARE neutrals in this game, and they won't be starting mafia or full mafia, I think. A neutral should be almost guaranteed not mafia, and claiming to be neutral is a bad idea as mafia, because it makes you an easy lynch anytime we don't have suspects.

Tricky. Robbie is going to be a pain in our butt regardless, and if he is neutral, then he's still a bad lynch. These are not good options.

unvote vote:Takhisis.

I've suspected you for a long while.

The fact that I'm active, still alive, and never attacked means I'm scum? Please, pizza…

Obviously, at this stage, any non-scum lynch is a bad lynch, but, still… Link not being lynched would be the same as sprig (who we'd already failed to lynch once anyway) and yes, he could be scum. :think: I'll think about it in the morning…
unvote vote:Takhisis.

I've suspected you for a long while.
What've you suspected me of, exactly?

The fact that I'm active, still alive, and never attacked means I'm scum? Please, pizza…

Please what?

Okay, it doesn't MEAN you're scum, but look at the facts. Someone who got attacked by mafia and survived is less likely to be scum than someone who was never attempted on.

Players who are actively voting are a greater threat to the mafia than, say, inactive players. That's why I was never surprised to see Link still alive.

Given what I know about the remaining players, you're absolutely a viable suspect. Don't please me, Takhisis. You'll have to do better than that.

Unvote; vote: Takhisis

I think proof enough that I have no loyalty to the mafia is that I have had no problem voting for them time and time again. I still suspect link, seeing as he wasn't WOG'd. But survival is my only aim.

I'm defiantely leaning towards takhisis right now, albeit for reasons I can't explain but perhaps TK or ATPG can

Still haven't heard of tk's suspicions.Please what?

Okay, it doesn't MEAN you're scum, but look at the facts. Someone who got attacked by mafia and survived is less likely to be scum than someone who was never attempted on.

Players who are actively voting are a greater threat to the mafia than, say, inactive players. That's why I was never surprised to see Link still alive.

Given what I know about the remaining players, you're absolutely a viable suspect. Don't please me, Takhisis. You'll have to do better than that.
Do you want me to displease you then pizza? :dunno:
What do you know about the rest? There's still lurky Link and also bestrfcplayer and Snerk who only post their votes.
If you want a reason for not killing me is that, unless I'm much mistaken, I'm the only police officer who can carry out the 'tailing' orders. Anything else?
Unvote; vote: Takhisis
Hey, I have these amazing predictive powers!
I think proof enough that I have no loyalty to the mafia is that I have had no problem voting for them time and time again. I still suspect link, seeing as he wasn't WOG'd. But survival is my only aim.
I believe you, so I'll unvote:robbiecon. It's 4-2 in favour of you now.
robbiecon (Snerk; bestrfcplayer; Takhisis)

Takhisis (askthepizzaguy;BSmith1068;taillesskangaru;robbiec on)

Hold up.

You claim to have tailing orders, and you also claim to have no abilities.

Which is true?

It's not an ability of my own.

Tailless sends the orders, as long as I'm alive I can do it.

Do you? There seems to be some confusion on the matter, because the "tail" on Zack last night should have acted as protection, and he died. (According to my mayoral associates, who know more about this than me)

Were you tailing Zack last night?

If you were, and it was supposed to act as protection, you failed.

Unvote; vote: Takhisis

I think proof enough that I have no loyalty to the mafia is that I have had no problem voting for them time and time again. I still suspect link, seeing as he wasn't WOG'd. But survival is my only aim.

You have no loyalty to the town, either.

It's very dangerous leaving you alive. The only reason to do so is we are running out of time and I don't have any way of killing you, to be certain you don't vote with the mafia.

You can effectively drop the "I don't care for the mafia" act as soon as another townie dies, without fear of reprisals, I would wager. We need a scum dead, and now.

GHOST COMMENT: This game is quite confusing.

Do you? There seems to be some confusion on the matter, because the "tail" on Zack last night should have acted as protection, and he died. (According to my mayoral associates, who know more about this than me)

Were you tailing Zack last night?

If you were, and it was supposed to act as protection, you failed.
No I wasn't… I think. Tailless sends the order. He hasn't posted in the Police QT for days.
You have no loyalty to the town, either.

It's very dangerous leaving you alive. The only reason to do so is we are running out of time and I don't have any way of killing you, to be certain you don't vote with the mafia.

You can effectively drop the "I don't care for the mafia" act as soon as another townie dies, without fear of reprisals, I would wager. We need a scum dead, and now.
You can choose between a cop without any abilities that he can do on his own who hasn't been attacked this game, with a lot of mafia going AWOL after being uncovered by a teammate and an SK who got WOG'd for inactivity, or a man who quite clearly says he's a survivor and therefore not town. Your pick, pizza.

Aren't everybody in this game more or less just survivers? I thought that was kinda this game's shtick.

Takh, I just want to say this;

There are several people I know are innocent, and I don't want to name them all because I don't need them picked off at night.

I am in a situation where I have to pick from an inactive, a guy who seems really adamant that he's neutral and therefore will vote against the town given the chance, or an active, "good" townie who claims a power role who has been there the whole time, never attacked.

If I am mafia, I'm not killing an inactive or a neutral. I'm killing the cop. Unfortunately, that's the reasoning I'm going with, and if you're innocent, I am sorry. I have to think about what the mafia should be doing, and they haven't been doing it with you.

And, of the remaining players, I don't feel it's a concerted gambit either. If it's just a sad coincidence, then I've talked myself into a corner. But humor me, and take a shot at who you think is guilty.

I figured there has to be at least two crooked cops. When Autolycus turned out to be innocent there was only you left, Takhisis.

Aren't everybody in this game more or less just survivers? I thought that was kinda this game's shtick.
How nice of you to show up.

Yes, we all want to survive, Snerkie. However, some of us have duties to answer to. From your post, it'd look like you don't have much to do except survive, eh?
Takh, I just want to say this;

There are several people I know are innocent, and I don't want to name them all because I don't need them picked off at night.

I am in a situation where I have to pick from an inactive, a guy who seems really adamant that he's neutral and therefore will vote against the town given the chance, or an active, "good" townie who claims a power role who has been there the whole time, never attacked.

If I am mafia, I'm not killing an inactive or a neutral. I'm killing the cop. Unfortunately, that's the reasoning I'm going with, and if you're innocent, I am sorry. I have to think about what the mafia should be doing, and they haven't been doing it with you.

And, of the remaining players, I don't feel it's a concerted gambit either. If it's just a sad coincidence, then I've talked myself into a corner. But humor me, and take a shot at who you think is guilty.
Well, you've said so yourself, the neutral will vote against the town whenever he finds it to his advantage to do so. vote:robbiecon.
By your own admission, you're voting for someone you know is a cop instead of someone who will vote against us given the chance. It's a bit scummy on your behalf, pizza. 'If I am mafia, I'm not killing an inactive or a neutral. I'm killing the cop.' Really? Lampshading much?
Now, what power role? Much more of a power role has been dcmort, the two times he's been killed, and tailless as well. Don't you think the police leaders would be killed before a rookie cop?
I figured there has to be at least two crooked cops. When Autolycus turned out to be innocent there was only you left, Takhisis.
There has to be two crooked cops? What???
Also, why would I have insisted on lynching several Sharks and Vipers whenever we had even half a chance?

Well, you've said so yourself, the neutral will vote against the town whenever he finds it to his advantage to do so. vote:robbiecon.

Yeah, lynching a neutral will help us defeat the mafia how?

He's a wildcard that has no loyalty. Lynching him, if he's neutral, avoids hitting a mafia. Not hitting a mafia means we are that much closer to losing.

By your own admission, you're voting for someone you know is a cop

Since when does being a cop mean you're not also mafia?

You are acting like you've never played these games before. Since when does having a role which is ostensibly pro-town any proof whatsoever of your good intentions?

We had a guy claim protector/doctor role in a game. The longer the game went on, the more suspicious it was that he was still alive. Mafia aren't going to murder one of their own.

Who is going to survive every night no matter how pro-town they seem, or how dangerous to the mafia they should be? Scum.

It's a really weak defense to say "I'm a cop" in a game where there have been crooked cops. It's even weaker when your actions should have kept Zack alive and now he is dead.

instead of someone who will vote against us given the chance. It's a bit scummy on your behalf, pizza.

No, what's scummy is trying to get people to lynch a neutral when lynching a mafia is game-winning and lynching a neutral is game-losing.

'If I am mafia, I'm not killing an inactive or a neutral. I'm killing the cop.'

Is there anything wrong with that logic, at all?

Really? Lampshading much?

Yes, on this critical round, I am informing everyone that I am mafia with very unsubtle gags, not putting myself in the mafia's shoes and explaining why your being alive is scummy as all hell.

Now, what power role? Much more of a power role has been dcmort, the two times he's been killed, and tailless as well. Don't you think the police leaders would be killed before a rookie cop?

dcmort is dead, and tailless has an ironclad alibi. I'm not talking about them right now, I'm talking about you.

There has to be two crooked cops? What???
Also, why would I have insisted on lynching several Sharks and Vipers whenever we had even half a chance?

1. WIFOM
2. You could have been townie, and then gotten recruited.
3. You could have been mafia, and they could have gotten recruited
4. You could have been on opposing teams

Need I really go on?

It's obvious you're either mafia or we're not going to win this game anyway because we need all townies working together on this one. Instead of going after a likely neutral you should name scum and then vote scum. You're more interested in defending yourself/staying alive.

How nice of you to show up.

Yes, we all want to survive, Snerkie. However, some of us have duties to answer to. From your post, it'd look like you don't have much to do except survive, eh?

True. However I've nothing at all to offer any mafia in this game so any union with then is a no go. My only bet is going for a town victory.

As of now there's IMO no obvious lynch target. I guess Takhi is plausible but I'll stick with my Robbie vote even though it's not much to go on. Soz.

Gosh, this has been a long day. It's been over for nearly a day, according to the host.

Sorry for the delay.

Here is the current tally.
Takhisis 4 (BSmith1068, tailleskangaru, ATPG, robbiecon)
Robbiecon 3 (Takhisis, Snerk, bestrfcplayer)

Not voting Link.

Takhisis was Officer Lee, a Cop
Link was Mr Goodes, a Private Investigator

Alive 6/35
BSmith1068
taillesskangaru
Love askthepizzaguy2
robbiecon
Snerk
bestrfcplayer

Completed game 3/35
Camikaze - Mr Gordon
choxorn - Miss Simpson
Duke Blackstone - Mr Johnstone Former FBI Agent, now retired

Injured 0/35


Lynched 15/35
Domination3000 - Mr Anderson. He was a member of The Vipers.
Nictel - Officer Rooney. He was a cop and a member of The Vipers.
Civgeneral - Miss Tessmacher. She was a member of The Vipers.
civplayah - Mr McKay. He was a member of The Sharks.
Kennigit - Mrs Murphy. She was a shopkeeper
Khazaar - Mr Gilmore. He was a member of The Vipers.
Joecoolyo - Miss Curtis. She was a member of The Sharks.
Snaproll - Chastity. She was a member of The Sharks.
Autolycus - Officer Strawhorn. He was a cop
sprig - Mr Greenwood. He was a member of The Sharks.
NarutoAvatarDBZ - Mrs Hendricks. She was a shopkeeper.
ZeletDude - mrs Cole. She was a shopkeeper.
Darth Caesar - Mr Tweedy. He was a shopkeeper, but we was also a Serial Killer
Link - Mr Goodes, He was a Private Investigator
Takhisis - Officer Lee. She was a cop


Dead 11/35
dcmort93 - Detective Morgan
askthepizzaguy - Mrs Gray
DaveShack - Mrs Kennedy
Beefy187 Dave Shack 2 - Detective Ramone.
SS-18 ICBM - Mr Kennedy, a Shark
Romanichine - Officer Richmond
Sonereal - Miss Youmans
Skwink Caesar - Mayor Drummond
Zack - Mr Johnson
Jarrema - Mrs Smith
Mad Man dcmort93 2 - Chief of Police Denver

Reserves

It is now Night 14.

Inactive townies for the loss.

I'm going to have to declare martial law so we can all survive the night. In the morning, I am placing my bet on Snerk.

In the morning, I am placing my bet on Snerk.
Famous last words. :p

I told you so, pizza…

Well unfortunately this is one of those cases where the facts were not in your favor.

ghost comment: 'I'm Takhisis and I'm alive, therefore I must be scummy'. What a theory!

ghost comment: 'I'm Takhisis and I'm alive, therefore I must be scummy'. What a theory!

In my defense, you said I was the mafia hanging a lampshade on my own actions. That's an even better theory.

Well. That was interesting.

btw I'm still alive :D

Ghost Comment: Well now you know it wasn't Takhisis.

L0bcRCCg01I

Welcome back to the James Goodall show. First we go to the police station and talk Captain Cleveland.
CC:Well last night I was attacked last night by an assailant, but this time they were clumsy and I know exactly who it is an I will gain revenge for that person who attacked me, but now we are on the lookout for our second victim of the slasher. Last night we found Miss Duncan in a ditch with her body cut up and blood was everywhere. We are looking further into this matter, but obviously I am very much stretched to limit being the last law officer in this area. I am doing my very best, so not further comments until later.
Well there we have it, it seems we are living in a city that the police cannot control. So with that I am leaving town for good since I want to live and I do fear for my life, so fair well my loyal listeners.

bestrfcplayer was Miss Duncan a shopkeeper.

Alive 5/35
BSmith1068
taillesskangaru
Love askthepizzaguy2
robbiecon
Snerk

Completed game 3/35
Camikaze - Mr Gordon
choxorn - Miss Simpson
Duke Blackstone - Mr Johnstone Former FBI Agent, now retired

Injured 0/35


Lynched 15/35
Domination3000 - Mr Anderson. He was a member of The Vipers.
Nictel - Officer Rooney. He was a cop and a member of The Vipers.
Civgeneral - Miss Tessmacher. She was a member of The Vipers.
civplayah - Mr McKay. He was a member of The Sharks.
Kennigit - Mrs Murphy. She was a shopkeeper
Khazaar - Mr Gilmore. He was a member of The Vipers.
Joecoolyo - Miss Curtis. She was a member of The Sharks.
Snaproll - Chastity. She was a member of The Sharks.
Autolycus - Officer Strawhorn. He was a cop
sprig - Mr Greenwood. He was a member of The Sharks.
NarutoAvatarDBZ - Mrs Hendricks. She was a shopkeeper.
ZeletDude - mrs Cole. She was a shopkeeper.
Darth Caesar - Mr Tweedy. He was a shopkeeper, but we was also a Serial Killer
Link - Mr Goodes, He was a Private Investigator
Takhisis - Officer Lee. She was a cop


Dead 12/35
dcmort93 - Detective Morgan
askthepizzaguy - Mrs Gray
DaveShack - Mrs Kennedy
Beefy187 Dave Shack 2 - Detective Ramone.
SS-18 ICBM - Mr Kennedy, a Shark
Romanichine - Officer Richmond
Sonereal - Miss Youmans
Skwink Caesar - Mayor Drummond
Zack - Mr Johnson
Jarrema - Mrs Smith
Mad Man dcmort93 2 - Chief of Police Denver
bestrfcplayer - Miss Duncan

Reserves

It is now day 15.

Welcome back to the James Goodall show. First we go to the police station and talk Captain Cleveland.
CC:Well last night I was attacked last night by an assailant, but this time they were clumsy and I know exactly who it is an I will gain revenge for that person who attacked me, but now we are on the lookout for our second victim of the slasher. Last night we found Miss Duncan in a ditch with her body cut up and blood was everywhere. We are looking further into this matter, but obviously I am very much stretched to limit being the last law officer in this area. I am doing my very best, so not further comments until later.
Well there we have it, it seems we are living in a city that the police cannot control. So with that I am leaving town for good since I want to live and I do fear for my life, so fair well my loyal listeners.

So, as you all know, thanks to the Viper plant Nictel, I am Captain Cleveland.

I've never trusted you, Mr. Mayor. I didn't vote for you. I avoided posting in the Authority group, and instead I always talked to dcmort93 privately.

The Police has managed to catch mafia like Joecoolyo because I send my rookies to follow them to find out what our suspects were up to. askthepizzaguy, you were in regular contact with Sprig and Khazzar. Good citizens, weren't they? On one night, Sprig talked to SS-18 ICBM, Joecoolyo, Snaproll and ATPG; all mafia, except you, it seemed.

When I ran out of rookies last night I received this message:

Since there are no cops around, you have to do the work to look for things to do. So that means you have to tail someone and find out what they are doing.

Before I decide what to do, I read the Authority group. Something you said didn't feel right:

I think it's better if no night actions take place, so we all wake up alive in the morning

Strange... you know, because the dearly departed dcmort93 told you, that my night action acts as police protection against killers...

Well, I never trusted you, so I told classical_hero I want to follow you last night.

Guess what.

When you were about to tail him you found out that he was planning on trying to kill you, so with your foresight you were able to thwart the attack. Don't post until I have posted the update in the game thread, then have fun.


Well, that's it then. vote:askthepizzaguy, before he kills us all.

Well I definately should have seen this comming. stupid me... This is all starting to make sense.
CH would TK be able to post any of my posthumous messages in the authority QT regarding night actions?

Between tailesskangaru's post and evidence, and ATPG declaring martial law, when clearly actions were carried out last night, I think it looks safe enough to say:

Vote: Askthepizzaguy

But seeing as there was a murder last night, there must be an SK out there still.

Tailless: where you part of the former mayor's crew?

yes he was

Ghost Comment: I was soooooooo close!

As I mentioned in the quicktopic, I don't even have a martial law ability.




http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/ATPG%20II/AskthepizzaguyGangster-1.png

Don Pizza




Now, you will all listen, and listen good.

Some things are going to change around here. First of all, we are going to do away with this whole ghastly lynching business. It's bad for business. Look, the town is basically deserted. Secondly, pretty much everyone left alive wishes to be left alive. Well the Mayor has not declared martial law, but he has declared Pizza's Law.

Pizza's Law:

You cannot lynch the mayor, because I can stop a lynch on myself
You cannot override that ability, because I control a majority stake in the vote today ;)
You cannot kill me at night, because I have bodyguard protection
You cannot oppose my rule, because I control two murders.

The end result of Pizza's law is that Robbiecon will remove his vote from me and win with us. Snerk will vote for whoever I suggest. BSmith will vote for whoever I suggest. And Taillesskangaru, the cop without a tail (oh double entendre), I suggest that you find some other town to work in, because if you attempt to oppose Pizza's Law, well.... you will be the lynch today.


I own this city. The Viper gang has declared a domination victory. You have two choices: Surrender and win, or challenge me and die.


I am the Mafia Godfather. But I am not going anywhere. You've failed, Tailless. You and your entire gang of goodie-goodies, who by the way, are all dead or have skipped town. I suggest you join them.

Or better yet, Tailless..... join me.... and together we can rule the galaxy.



Don't make me destroy you....


Vote: Taillesskangaru

vote: Taillesskangaru

:p

*Pizza lights a victory cigar, hands one to Snerk, and one to BSmith*

Now, Robbiecon, the question is.... do you want a cigar, or not?

Right then, I suppose all that needed saying has been said. Vote: Taillesskangaru

In my defense, you said I was the mafia hanging a lampshade on my own actions. That's an even better theory.
Oh really? :rolleyes:

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/ATPG%20II/AskthepizzaguyGangster-1.png


Is that really you? You look so intense!!!

Unvote; Vote: tailesskangaru

It may have been the Sharks I was paying protection money to, but they're gone, I'm free.

I can be your "teacher" ;)

http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/3134/teachera.jpg

Hey, I was right all along! Bloody hell, tailless!

Ah, you all suck. :p

We know.

I'm defiantely leaning towards takhisis right now, albeit for reasons I can't explain but perhaps TK or ATPG can
Explain this btw dcmort.

There's still something very screwy going on with this game. basically all the baddies got exposed, and they're having a devil of a time murdering, or seem completely disinterested in it.

I want everyone to be thinking very carefully as to why that is so. I can't figure it out. What's the big twist? How are the mafia still able to fight?

If Sprig is the last one, we're done. If not, then we clearly have to solve this game, not just fire randomly at suspects. Does anyone have any theories? I assume recruitment is happening, it's the only thing that makes sense, but if so, the slow pace of the game would make basically everyone recruited by now.

Why isn't the game over?


Well done, Don Pizza, well done.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=10418107#post10418107

He was lampshading there as well, tailless. Oh why didn't you trust me?

Also, bloody D3k.

What I don't get is how ATPG can be a viper, unless Khazzar recruited him while we were going after the sharks, as I know for almost an absolute fact he wasn't an original viper as posted by DB a while ago. Post game can't come soon enough

Oh really? :rolleyes:

I have been hinting I'm evil ever since I became mayor.

"His dishonor the Mayor" plus the image of the evil villain from Action League Now!

I dropped hints here and there. When you called me out on lampshading, I wanted to reward you for thinking by hanging a lampshade on top of the other lampshade.

I lynched you that round because you were the only one left that was dangerous and active. Well played. I was kinda hoping you would OMGUS me.


Also, it was I who encouraged the previous mayor to retire.

Is that really you? You look so intense!!!

Yes, that's really me. I was a gangster for Halloween and IRL. ;)

I have been hinting I'm evil ever since I became mayor.

"His dishonor the Mayor" plus the image of the evil villain from Action League Now!

I dropped hints here and there. When you called me out on lampshading, I wanted to reward you for thinking by hanging a lampshade on top of the other lampshade.

I lynched you that round because you were the only one left that was dangerous and active. Well played. I was kinda hoping you would OMGUS me.


Also, it was I who encouraged the previous mayor to retire.
You mean, 'pulled the trigger'?

Still, you were a bit silly in killing me.
Yes, that's really me. I was a gangster for Halloween and IRL. ;)Were? You WIFOM so much that I just think you might still be one :hide:

Now that i think of it, your car's always broken… :scan: GET HIM! THE GUY DELIVERING THAT PIZZA!

I would have recruited you if I could, Takh. I'm just sad that Zack died, he was under my influence and headed for victory.

Sorry Zack, but we got that pesky vigilante who killed you that same night. This one goes out to you, buddy.

You'll beat your head against the wall into a pulp when classical uploads my Role PM. I can't say anything else until that happens.

You know what was really silly? All I wanted to do in this game was become Mayor.

I asked politely, and even stated that was my goal publicly. I even tried to get the Sharks or the Vipers to rat out who the mayor was, no one wanted to work with me. Pizza was disappoint. Then I spoke to dcmort, and others, and they were certain of the Mayor's innocence. So I gave up on my quest. I didn't even use my sole ability, to start a rumor against the Mayor, against him even when I knew who he was. At some point, Mister White approached me and told me he required my services. I was only too happy to accept, because there aren't a lot of fires that need fighting in this town.

When all the other Vipers dropped dead, and I became the Capo, the very first thing I did was take my fireman's axe and split the Mayor's face in two. I can only begin to describe how very satisfying that was. I then acted surprised and mentioned it was my goal to become Mayor. Pizza thanks you for your support.

Since then I have been focused on two things: destroying the Sharks and putting everyone under my employ and protection. It's a bad economy, everyone needs jobs. Come work for the mayor, I said; if not, we can always use more kindling. Also, I have a fire truck, and you can drive it around town. It's a great way to pick up chicks. They dig a guy in a fireman's uniform. That's a benefits package you can't refuse.

Also, in my official capacity as Mayor, Main Street will be renamed "Khazaar memorial parkway" in honor of my mentor and fallen friend.

You BONEHEADS!!! CivGeneral never told you about me??????

nvm ninja'd

I never got that PM from c_h. http://foorumi.haistapaska.com/images/smilies/facepaml.gif

You BONEHEADS!!! CivGeneral never told you about me??????

I will state for the record, I had zero contact with any Vipers save Khazaar, who sent me maybe one message before he died.

So, I was working completely in the dark and by myself to start with. If I am a bonehead, then it's because I was given nothing to work with but an axe and a pair of hands to grip it with.

http://bsaidso.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/facepalm_picard2.jpg?w=360&h=240

Oh secretive scummiosos and revealing Domination3000!

I will state for the record, I had zero contact with any Vipers save Khazaar, who sent me maybe one message before he died.

So, I was working completely in the dark and by myself to start with. If I am a bonehead, then it's because I was given nothing to work with but an axe and a pair of hands to grip it with.
1) How the hell were you recruited?
2) I'm starting to think that D3K's rat out of the vipers was planned

I agree with #2. Why the hell would Dom do that for any other purpose? It was probably used to set up the rise of Pizza.

And sacrifice himself in the process, leaving only atpg alive? I don't think so.

And sacrifice himself in the process, leaving only atpg alive? I don't think so.
Well it worked didn't it?

And sacrifice himself in the process, leaving only atpg alive? I don't think so.

Took one for the team.

What team? It killed them all in the process.

What team? It killed them all in the process.

But they took control of the town.

Well it worked didn't it?
Took one for the team.
Hmmm, not sure about that. Depends on D3k's VC.
What team? It killed them all in the process.
They assume that D3k and atpg were a separate team that could do without the Vipers.

dcmort, what's this about 'curing' me?

huh???

ATPG played you guys like 1930's Germans.

Hey this ain't over yet

Hey this ain't over yet

Yes, that's the part that amuses me. My theory is Robbiecon is the new godfather of the Sharks, and he will try to kill me tonight. Or one of my own henchmen will overthrow me and become the new Godfather (waves hello to BSmith) :lol:

Which is cool, because if Robbie (or anyone else) wins this game after my magnificent bastard (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MagnificentBastard) speech, I deserve what's coming to me. It was still very satisfying to say, because honestly, a townie win in this game would have been so lame after the Dom3000 reveal and the Sprig inactivity, and an inactive serial killer.

Seriously, I am glad I got recruited, so you guys had SOMETHING to play against. I don't care who wins at this point, this game got the amusing and contentious ending it deserved. I'm happy.

Good Job!!! No matter what happens ;-)

So, Pizza, why didn't you tell me you got recruited? It's not like it matters one way or the other to me. I'm just going after my PG.

Unknown to all, Ms Nelson becomes Catwoman at night. Using her plastic ties she binds Mayor Askthepizzaguy's arms and legs together, and tosses him into a chair. The final touch is to place duct tape over his mouth, although admittedly with her latex costume, he doesn't really mind. Next out comes a whip, and excitement flashes across his eyes.



Then she tosses the whip in a corner, approaches the mayor, and whips out a blade, cutting his head clean off. "Looks like he lost his head for me", she chuckles.

Catwoman Victory!

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=419823

Highway to Hell




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Click. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xv24N8H1KyI)




Game Features


As many players as I can get
Pretty standard rules
A twist


More will be revealed once the game begins. (If someone else would like to host a large game, I will let them go ahead.)

So, Pizza, why didn't you tell me you got recruited? It's not like it matters one way or the other to me. I'm just going after my PG.

Because of the way the game mechanics worked, I felt it was possible you could have been threatened or influenced or pressured in some way to reveal me.

I didn't want to take that chance. I trust YOU, Snerk, but I don't trust the game mechanics. I played extra cautious.

Fair play, I'd probably do the same.

Updaet? :p

Just to let you guys know that the game has finished, but I need to think of a write for the end of game action.

I've done similar things before. May I assist? Even if I got blown up or something. In fact, especially so. I love a good shocking outcome.

The rise of the Mayor.

This is the story of how the Mayor came to control the town of New Townsville. Things were looking quite bright when the Captain of the Police force was going to arrest the Mayor of the town for crimes that he ha d committed. Since he was the only cop in town he went straight to the Mayor's office with the warrant. But before he was able to get into the door he was stopped by the mayor's aide and placed in handcuffs by Mr Campbell and placed on a chair, telling him that the Mayor was waiting for him and would come down to meet him and discuss a few things. The Captain was annoyed at what happened, since he thought he was in charge of the town, but he got fooled by the Mayor and actually trusted him, but now he knew the game was over.

The Mayor walked up to him and said, "I have been expecting you for a long time. That attack was planned on you so that you would know it was me and that you would come and arrest me, but I had this waiting for you, so I will give you a few options and if you don't do one of them, then you will die right here and now. Understood?" The Captain just nodded and awaited the options that left for him. "I have two options for you if you take up the offer, you can either work for me, which I highly doubt, or you could leave this town and never return here. Which one are you going to take?" The Captain just sat there and he spit in the face and then the Mayor punched him in the face and drew some blood from the Captain's nose. "After some consideration, I will leave this town", the Captain spoke as he wiped off the blood from his chin. "Take him to the car and we will make sure he will never return, Chief of Police", spoke the mayor in an harsh tone. Mr Campbell was honoured now to be Chief of Police.

From what I have been told, the ride was very uncomfortable for the Captain and he was finally driven 200 miles from town and given some money to live and find some place to go and live his life. Now the town was firmly under the control the Mayor and he was totally pleased with the result of it. Since he was under control of the town he was able to release a few people who have been arrested under the former regime. He knew he had release all the former members of the gang that he was once a part of, even if he was a recruit, but he knew he could not have done this without help of Mr Gilmore, so he was the first one to be released from Prison. The two held a warm embrace and Mr Gilmore was happy to be out of the hell hole. He then asked if he wanted other people to be released from prison and he wanted all those who were formerly part of his gang.

So out the prison went Officer Rooney so he could take up his new position of Detective under Chief of Police Campbell. He was excited to be out of prison after all the abuse he had under the other inmates while in jail. Also came out Miss Tessmacher, who was relieved to be out of the women's prison. Next out was Mr Anderson. But before he was able to make it out of prison he was shot dead by Chief of Police Campbell under the advice of Mr Gilmore, for not doing what was expected of him and to keep him mouth shut. The Mayor and his cronies now had total control over the affairs of the town.

Winners: Askthepizzaguy2, Snerk, BSmith1068, Khazaar, Nictel, Robbiecon, Camikaze, choxorn, and Duke Blackstone. :thumbsup:
Not a winner or a loser, Taillesskangaru and CivGeneral.
Losers: Dominations3000, Askthepizzaguy1, dcmort93, dcmort93 2, Jarrema, Link, Zack, NarutoAvatarDBZ, ZeletDude, bestrfcplayer, Darth Caesar, DaveShack, Daveshack 2, SS-18 ICBM, Sprig, Joecoolyo, Snaproll, Takhisis, civplayah, kennegit, Autolycus, Romanichine, Sonereal and Skwink Caesar. :thumbsdown:

The game ended with a Viper Victory :trophy:

Post game discussion?

*grinds teeth*


Authority QT (http://www.quicktopic.com/45/H/NsyawxtPrhT)

Police QT (post-Great Reveal) (http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/xWYGRTCZkYNH)

My biggest mistake, I think, is not lynching Autolycus or Takhisis or even trusting ATPG, but underutilising my "scan"/tailing ability because I either didn't get the time to send in the orders or I just plain forgot.

The Great Reveal didn't help us as much as it seems, because our identities were exposed as well. To complicate matters, we were really the only "true" innocents in the game. The other non-mafia were either neutrals or could be recruited, something which I think we didn't really thought about.

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Welcome back to the James Goodall hour. Mister Goodall is sleeping with the fishes. And that's why he was released from his contract. We don't approve of the "love" between man and fish at this radio station. It's time for a return to traditional family values.... Mafia family values.

I would like to wish my secretary luck in her new career, as it's for certain she is well on her way to super stardom. I'd like to congratulate the new Chief of Police, who will be enforcing the 'law' around here from now on. There will be no more killings, not unless you cross da boss. I'd like to welcome back from their wrongful imprisonment the members of my wonderful family, and take them all out for a hot slice of pizza.

The city seems a bit deserted, so I'm informing you all as your Mayor that I will be seizing all unclaimed property in the city and selling it off to raise funds for ummmm.... let's call it budget balancing purposes. That will get some fresh blood in town, and I predict we will turn this city around before the next election, which will be never. Using my authority as mayor, given the crisis we've just been through, I'm suspending democracy for the foreseeable future. Besides, recent polls indicate the Mayor is doing a heck of a job, with an 80% approval rating, and word is that the remaining 20% just left town. Hmmm... I guess that makes it 100 percent. I'm the most popular mayor in America!

And now, for my listening audience, I would like you to stay tuned for an hour of commercial-free music, courtesy of The Mayor and the fine folks at Viper broadcasting.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have a drum of gasoline and a pile of bodies what need burning, and there are some tasks you prefer to do yourself.

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To be honest I think the recruitment ability was way too over powered in this game. Each mafia started with 4/5 people so that's already 8/10 mafia at the beginning of the game. Combine it with the inability to kill most godfather's without forcing a lynch and you have a seriously tough game, regardless of people ratting out their whole team

To be honest I think the recruitment ability was way too over powered in this game. Each mafia started with 4/5 people so that's already 8/10 mafia at the beginning of the game. Combine it with the inability to kill most godfather's without forcing a lynch and you have a seriously tough game, regardless of people ratting out their whole team

Two large mafia teams with a goal to destroy each other, combined with a huge town, makes for a balanced game, as you saw.... almost every round, a scumbag was lynched. Town had investigatory, vigilante, and force-lynch powers, a pro-town network of masons who knew each other were innocent, and a mole inside one of the gangs that exposed them all.

Without recruitment, you would have had this game over about a month ago with most of the starting town still alive. And it wouldn't have been a very fun game at that point.

Well basically everyone was neutral beside those who were in the mafia groups or those in the top three of the authority or Duke, everyone else was free to choose which side they were on, but most people did not realise that.

Here are all the QT's
First Police QT (http://www.quicktopic.com/45/H/9gwR8RVaAcJRm)
Second Police QT (http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/xWYGRTCZkYNH)
The Viper's QT (http://www.quicktopic.com/45/H/dAAg7Ku6thLW)
The Shark's QT (http://www.quicktopic.com/45/H/Sw92cYB4HiEt)
The Vigilante QT (http://www.quicktopic.com/45/H/pwPS3fDh8qf)
The Viper's second QT (http://www.quicktopic.com/45/H/w5QE6igSEzh4C)
Authority Figures QT (http://www.quicktopic.com/45/H/NsyawxtPrhT)
Clueless (http://www.quicktopic.com/45/H/8PfDm5tkFNEzL)
Dead/Lynched QT (http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/36vTBTuJG85fa) Not very active.

I will post the Role PM's when I have time after I wake up later today.

Huh. So the vipers won after all.

I will say the biggest mistake of the town was electing ATPG as mayor, since he stated early in the thread that one of his goals was to remove the mayor from office, but no one caught onto that, until it was too late. I do remember early on when dcmort took over from Mad man I did wonder why he posted his Role PM in the Police QT after he was specifically told by Duke that there was a mole in the ranks, and that started a whole lot of craziness.

Two large mafia teams with a goal to destroy each other, combined with a huge town, makes for a balanced game, as you saw.... almost every round, a scumbag was lynched. Town had investigatory, vigilante, and force-lynch powers, a pro-town network of masons who knew each other were innocent, and a mole inside one of the gangs that exposed them all.

Without recruitment, you would have had this game over about a month ago with most of the starting town still alive. And it wouldn't have been a very fun game at that point.
Well you also have to consider that
A) There were about or so nights where there were no kills
B) The cops had at least one mole and the potential for more
C) Our tail ability only really works if we know who the scum are
D) I should have been dead the night after I replaced madman as everyone knew who I was thanks to nictel

I do remember early on when dcmort took over from Mad man I did wonder why he posted his Role PM in the Police QT after he was specifically told by Duke that there was a mole in the ranks, and that started a whole lot of craziness.
That was due to me skimming his PM

Huh. So the vipers won after all.

Poetic justice for the Viper Incident, as it shall forever be known. A day which will live in infamy.

I was townie at the time, and I was rather vehement in saying how not cool that was. When I got recruited to a doomed team I was like "oh thanks" at first, but giving the Vipers a reason to hope for a miracle was enormously fun.

Also, I wasn't suspected in a game of recruitment until the final round? Since when does that happen? :crazyeye:

It's so odd not to be metagamed that I'm still in shock. Just shock. Over at the .org I'd have been dead weeks ago.

Also, I wasn't suspected in a game of recruitment until the final round? Since when does that happen? :crazyeye:
The thing is no one except those who were recruited knew there was recruitment until the last round

yes but if he does recruit he dies because of martial law

As early as March 9th we were talking about recruitment, and later there was a big discussion involving Sprig which was all about conversion.

We may not have known for sure, but I know recruitment, conversion, and even the coercion of shopkeepers was the topic of discussion almost all game long. It didn't sneak up on us.

Heh, well I was your partner and didn't find out until you publicly revealed it. Although it didn't matter any way to me and my PG (which btw didn't get much cover in the final write-up. I want a montage of all my famous photo shoots ;) ).

Well played my fellow victorious baddies and neutrals, it was a fun chaotic game this. I can't say I contributed much to our win though. I was basically just a basic surviver from start to finish so I just went with the flow.

What's the clueless QT?

Ah, my role was fun. I had to survive until day 11 and then won the game, something aided a lot by the lack of night-kills and early reveals- I was never going to be either suspect or a mafia night kill by that point. I actually started acting mildly scummy at times intentionally just to make it a bit of a challenge. :crazyeye:

Viperssssssssssssssss!

Heh, well I was your partner and didn't find out until you publicly revealed it. Although it didn't matter any way to me and my PG (which btw didn't get much cover in the final write-up. I want a montage of all my famous photo shoots ;) ).

Well played my fellow victorious baddies and neutrals, it was a fun chaotic game this. I can't say I contributed much to our win though. I was basically just a basic surviver from start to finish so I just went with the flow.

I forgot the mention that now you have set off to Milan to pursue your dream of becoming a Model.

@civplayah, I don't know either, it was not started by me.

I will post the Role PMs soon.

Here are the mafia teams.
The Viper Gang

You are the Viper gang a group that is infamous in their dealings. Anyone who gets in your way will be destroyed. Your leader, Mr Gilmore (Khazaar) has taken over from Mr Greene the former leader before he was shot dead in a gunfight with the police. Now that has happened your task is to rule the city with and iron thumb and those shop keepers who have dared not to pay protection money are living a dangerous life. Right now there is a truce between The Vipers and the Sharks, but eventually that will breakdown, but you want it done on your terms. All members of the gang have a snake for identification purposes.

Here is a list of shop keepers who have already paid up.
1. Mrs Hendricks ( NarutoAvatarDBZ)
2. Mr Gordon (Camikaze)
3. Miss Nelson (robbiecon)

They have paid a lot of money and if they start seeing them killed by the rival gang, then they might jump ship, so be careful and make sure they survive to the end of the game. You also want to have the police force on your pay role so you want to either eliminate cops or get them onto your side.

You have Mr Gilmore(Khazaar) is the boss of this operation. The second in command Miss Tessmacher (Civgeneral). She is a highly skilled martial who is not to be messed with. You also have a hired killer Mr Anderson (Domination3000). He will do all the killing for you. You have a security expert Mr Johnstone (Duke Blackstone). He will look out for things that need to be done, no matter what. Finally you have a crooked cop on the books Officer Rooney (Nictel).

Your teams goals are as follows.
Be the sole surviving Mafia group
Control the police force
make sure the shopkeepers are on your side paying protection money

Here is your team's Quick topic http://www.quicktopic.com/45/H/dAAg7Ku6thLW

Here is you identifying tattoo.
http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/637/wpid2009122712023962299.jpg

Mr Gilmore - Khazaar, the Godfather of the Vipers.
Boss. - Mr Gilmore (Khazaar)
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You are the leader of the newly formed Viper gang after the dead of long time mentor Mr Greene (classical_hero) You see yourself as the rightful leader and that your rival, Mr Greenwood is basically just some up start who thought he should have been the chosen leader instead of you. You have learnt many things from him and you are very ruthless in your dealings in this city. You own this city, or at least are trying to. On your books You have Officer Lee. She was recruited by your lovely Second in command.

Stats:
Sex – Male
Wealth – Extremely rich
Status – Very Powerful
Criminal record – No

Abilities.
Immunity. You are immune from lynches until you are the only one left on your group, meaning that every time they send you to trial, you will get off on a technicality due to this fact. Most night kills will not harm you since there is just too much security around you. But don't get too cocky since their a police base lynches that you can capture you.
Killing. You can tell your hit-man if you want him to just wound or kill your subject.
Corruption. You are able to bribe one member of the police force to be on your side. Remember that this offer has to be one they cannot refuse so you need an angle to get them on that otherwise you could be in trouble.

Goal
Survive. No.1 priority.
Your goals are the same as the team goals. Do this and you will be the ruler of this town. This means that all threats have to be eliminated.
Role change after he recruited ATPG, since he had lost his former empire.

Right now after the savage beating your group had, you have now lost much of the wealth that you had and now the people do not fear you like you once did, so this has to change. You now have to get more shopkeepers into your fold to rebuild the power you once had. You have no one under you besides the cop you corrupted. This needs to change so get him to recruit two more people to be part of the gang. Others can be under the gang, but nor official members. Also you want something that every member has to identify them from everyone else, but not so obvious like last time. Perhaps a ring would do.

Stats:
Sex – Male
Wealth – Average
Status – Average
Criminal record – No

Abilities.
Immunity. You are immune from lynches until you are the only one left on your group, meaning that every time they send you to trial, you will get off on a technicality due to this fact. Most night kills will not harm you since there is just too much security around you. But don't get too cocky since their a police base lynches that you can capture you.
Killing. You can tell your hit-man if you want him to just wound or kill your subject.
Training. You can train up the two recruits for one to be a hired killer and injurer and the other to be the one who protects people.

Goal
Survive. No.1 priority.
Your goals are the same as the team goals. Do this and you will be the ruler of this town. This means that all threats have to be eliminated.

Miss TessMacher -CivGeneral
Second in Command – Miss Tessmacher (Civgeneral)
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/531/misstessmacher.jpg

With your extreme good looks you are able to get any man to stop in their tracks and then disable them with your skills. You are highly valued in this operation. But you harbour greater dreams. You know that you could run this organisation so much better if you were in charge. You say that it will be a victory for women to be in control of the city rather than the males. In fact you resent all males and as a result want them all dead. But for now you are willing to bid your time. You also need to recruited Officer Lee () into the ranks of the organisation. She is willing to help you out on your task of being head of this organisation.

Stats:
Sex – Female
Wealth – Average/Rich (with the backing of her boss in times of trouble and once you take over the empire)
Status – Average
Criminal Record – Yes. You once beat up a guy for looking at you wrongly. You served a few months for it.

Abilities
Protection: During one morning/afternoon/night period you may protect two of the shopkeepers, one for each time period. Any attacks on those will not succeed. The fact that you don't have the resources to protect all is another reason for wanting to be leader.
Power of a woman. You are able to distract one man from doing his job for a whole 24 hour period.
Immunity. Once you become boss of this all female group you will become immune from lynches until everyone is in the new organisation is lynched or killed.

Your goals.
Survive. This is you main priority.
Become leader of this operation. This must come first, but it will be tricky. If you get caught then things are going to trouble for you and Mr Gilmore will have you killed by the hired killer. It is best to have him killed by a car bomb, the method of choice of the rival gang. This will hopefully start a major war between the two gangs. Setting you for your rise to the leadership. This can only happen after day 5, since you need to get the equipment. To start getting the equipment you will need to send me a pm saying that you have ordered it and on the 5th night after the order, you will have the bomb ready for use. Once you have eliminated your boss you can declare gang warfare against your rival and this will result in a lot of bloodshed helping you ultimate goal. Be warned, this is highly dangerous for you to attempt and getting caught will mean death for you.

Set up an all female group, there are plenty of people who are willing to join you on that quest.

Protect: Make sure that you stop attacks on shopkeepers paying protection money. The more you protect the better.

Eliminate all males. When you were a young girl you were raped by an uncle and ever since then you have been bitter, but you do not show it openly. That is why you took martial arts lessons so that you can hold your own against men. Make sure that you have the women on your side.

Mr Anderson - Domination3000
The Hit-man – Mr “The Animal” Anderson (Domination3000)
http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/6226/hitman4138054.jpg

You are a former army sniper who has had some bitter experiences during war that left disillusioned with life in general and as a result of it you just want get rid of people. You have seen that people are just plain evil and thus they deserve to be eliminated. You found out that your best friend from school has just become a leader of a gang and you saw that as an opportunity for you to make some money from your desire for revenge on society. You are a great marksman so if need be you can kill your target from a distance and make a quick get away. But you are also good at sending messages for your boss which means the target survives or potentially survives.

Stats:
Sex – Male
Wealth – Rich (killing does pay very handsomely)
Status – Moderately Powerful
Criminal record – No

Abilities.
Kill or wound. You have pleasure of either wounding or killing someone your boss does not like. A wounding is sending a message to them, generally shopkeepers who have not paid money on your side. Kills are also an option and that it what you like doing best. Killings are best done at night, but you can try and kill during any time of the day, but wounding is best done that way, so it looks like someone else had done it rather than you.
Loyalty. You are fiercely loyal to your boss and you suspect that someone in this organisation is trying to kill the boss. Find that person before they can do any damage to your boss.

Goals.
Survive. No.1 priority.
Kill Mr Johnson. He was once the school bully when you grew up, so you want revenge on that SOB.
Kill Mrs Smith. She once rejected you at high school.
Kill the person trying to takeover the group. Be careful since if you get the wrong person, there will be consequences for you to your boss. He does not suspect anything, so you have to do it all on your own.

Mr Johnstone - Duke Blackstone
The Intel Guy - Mr Johnstone (Duke Blackstone)
http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/2576/menssuits017770088.jpg

You are a former spy so you know how the world of espionage works. But you are actually working for the government and you given a role of infiltrating this gang because it has been a most deadly history and is starting to become a major force and you are sent in to stop it. You were chosen since you have an excellent history of bringing down corrupt spies from your own organisation and getting into the inner circle of every major terror organisation that you have been assigned to get into. You are fluent in many different languages which helps give you standing in this organisation, since they are acting very classy. You know how to get information out of anyone with little risk to yourself, but this organisation is by far the best run one you have encountered. You are answering to the Chief of Police (Mad Man), who requested you from the FBI.

Here is your FBI badge. Keep it will hidden.
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/7329/ss03092224.jpg

Stats:
Sex – male
Wealth - Rich
Status – Powerful
Criminal Record – No

Abilities.
Gathering information: You can scan two people during the night to see what they are doing that night. What you do with this information is up to you.
Wounded only. For three attempts on your life they will only be able to wound you rather than kill you and if they are only trying to wound you, then nothing happens to you. Each wounding gets worse. The 4th attempt will kill you.
Justice. Gather enough evidence to put Mr Gilmore to jail. You want to see justice served rather than have him killed.

Goals.
Survive. No.1 priority.
Get Mr Gilmore to Jail before he is killed.
Corruption. Find out who the corrupt cops are and either get them arrested or dead. Either way is fine by you.
Under the radar. You still need to find information useful for Mr Gilmore to keep up the act. Any deaths will be tragic though, so try and make sure to convince your boss that they are in need of a touch up rather than something major.

Officer Rooney - Nictel
Officer Rooney (Nictel)
http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/456/policeofficer.jpg

Here is your badge.
http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/8756/policebadge1.jpg

You are a crooked cop and before the arrest of of Mr Greene, you were very close to him and as a result of it you were scared from his arrest, but you are now settled enough to be working for his former number two and now Boss of the Viper gang. Originally you were an honest cop but due to the nature of the force in times past you saw lots of corruption and tired of trying to fight it, you decided to be part of the action and get some extra money on the side, since you feel like you don't get paid enough by the force. That lead you to your friend from school Mr Greene, who you now knew was the boss of a Crime gang and you needed the extra money. Now that you are part of the gang you have made more money than you ever thought you could. When Mr Greene went down so did you thought you would, but he was true to his word to not bring you down with him as he went down. So he left you to keep the information coming to get the upper hand on the police.

Stats:
Sex – Male
Wealth - Poor
Status – Average
Criminal Record – No

Abilities.
Information. You may twice in the game get information from the Chief of Police for the plans for that day. This will be done in secret. Twice more you may publicly ask info for things he is doing.
Bribe. You can ask one shopkeeper per day for a bribe. To do this send me a Pm and I will send it onto that person.

Goals.
Become Rich. You do this via asking for bribes.
Leak. Get information that will help Mr Gilmore out of trouble.

The Shark Gang
After the death of the former boss Mr Greene (classical_hero), a bitter feud was started with Mr Gilmore and Mr Greenwood (sprig). But since the bitter split your group has had some time to take shape but now you have formed a formidable group. Now you guys are faced with the task of trying to build fear into this town and get control. You are not a group of classy people but rather people get things done and do it ruthlessly. You guys do not have the resources of the Vipers, but what you lack you make up with your brutality and fear. For identification purposes ever member has a shark tattooed on them.

Here is a list of shopkeepers who have already paid up.
1. Mrs Cole (ZeletDude)
2. Mr Campbell (BSmith1068)
3. Miss Duncan (bestrfcplayer)

They have paid a lot of money and if they start seeing them killed by the rival gang, then they might jump ship, so be careful and make sure they survive to the end of the game. You also want to have the police force on your pay role so you want to either eliminate cops or get them onto your side.

You have Mr Greenwood(sprig) is the boss of this operation. You have a Demolitions expert, Mr Kennedy (SS-18 ICBM). Also part of the group is the Boss's girlfriend, Chastity (Snaproll) She is an excellent seductress. You also have Mr McKay (civplayah), who is the hired protection for the shopkeepers. You also have Miss Curtis (Joecoolyo), who is hired protection for the group.

Your teams goals are as follows.
Be the sole surviving Mafia group
Control the police force
Make sure the shopkeepers are on your side paying protection money

Here is your team's Quick Topic http://www.quicktopic.com/45/H/Sw92cYB4HiEt

Here your identification tattoo.
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/6214/beachsharktattoodesigns.jpg

Mr Greenwood - Sprig
The Boss - Mr Greenwood (Sprig)
http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/9513/wfp0022604p3360310.jpg

Your signature is that you always carry a baseball bat around with you so that at any time you can give someone a beating should they deserve one. You are bitterly disappointed that you were not chosen by Mr Greene (classical_hero) to run his organisation should their be any trouble with him so now you have started a new group with your closest friends. There is one thing that you guys lack and that is a someone in the police force, so you want to recruit someone from the police force to be part of your organisation.

Stats:
Sex - Male
Wealth - Rich
Status - Powerful
Criminal Record – Yes for assault and attempted murder. You once beat up a guy so badly that he nearly died. You spent 3 and ½ years in jail
Marital Status - Single, but you have a girlfriend.

Abilities.
Your bat. You use this as a weapon of wounding to send a weapon to those who oppose your rule and those who have not paid up their protection money.
Immunity. You are immune from lynches until you are the only one left on your group, meaning that every time they send you to trial, you will get off on a technicality due to this fact. Most night kills will not harm you since there is just too much security around you. But don't get too cocky since their a police base lynches that you can capture you.

Goals.
Survive. No.1 priority.
Your goals are the same as the team goals. Do this and you will be the ruler of this town. This means that all threats have to be eliminated.
Mr Kennedy - SS-18 ICBM
The Demolition Expert – Mr Kennedy (SS-18 ICBM)
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/6936/image9chapter8settingth.jpg

You are a former bomb squad detective but you got fired from the job and spent some time in prison for obstructing justice, but you did not do it and the time spent in prison caused you to become bitter with society and now you want revenge on those who put you into prison. You have worked out that there were two dirty cops and one of their informants was in on getting you in prison, so they are your primary target, but anyone is a basically a good target. Also while you were in prison your wife left you. You want to kill that witch for leaving you when you needed her the most.

Stats:
Sex – Male
Wealth – Average
Status – Weak
Criminal Record – Yes. As above and sent for prison for four years
Marital Status – Divorced. Your wife left you while you were in prison.

Abilities.
The Bomb. You may use a car bomb to kill people.

Goals.
Kill the two corrupt officers and the informant that put you in jail. You know they cops are Detective Ramone and Officer Richmond and their informant Miss Youmans. They all need to be killed together for this to work out or they will know you did it and cause massive trouble.
Kill your ex. For this you want the pleasure of strangling her rather than an impersonal bomb, plus it gives you a great alibi, since there is a Serial killer around and it will make it look like he did it.
Chastity - Snaproll
The Boss' Girlfriend – Chastity (Snaproll)
http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/4929/stripper4266461.jpg

You are the boss' girlfriend as that it means you have great power, but for a cover he thought it would be best for you to be shown as sleazy and something guys would like so you are a stripper. It is actually something you have become quite fond of since it gives you a nice source of income and it gets you access to men whom you would not normally see. You have know Mr Greenwood since high school and it was then you feel in love with him and since they you two have been like glue. So you will do anything to help him become the ruler of this town.

Stats:
Sex – Female
Wealth – Average
Status – Average
Criminal Record – No
Marital Status – Single

Abilities.
Sexuality. Due to your work you are hired by many people to perform for them, so using your charms you are able find out what that person is doing for the night. So you pick on person each night to strip for them and during the strip they will be enchanted by you, should they be male.

Goals.
Survive. No.1 priority.
Get a cop to tell you what they are planning to do against your boyfriend and/or the gang.
Get the Serial Killer to jail. Surely he will try to use your services and he might try and hit on you, so you have to wary of him.
Mr McKay
The Hired Goon. Mr McKay (civplayah)
http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/4631/dsci005110006op800x1066.jpg

You were hired by Mr Greenwood to protect his investments, the shop owners that have paid their protection money. You physical prowess makes you an ideal choice for this role. You also have the means of doing this job since before you took up this job for Mr Greenwood you worked with many famous people but their over all jerkiness made you distrusting of such people so you came back home to work with a close friend of yours Mr Greenwood.

Stats:
Sex – Male
Wealth – Rich
Status – Average
Criminal Record – No
Marital Status – Single

Abilities.
Protect: Make sure that you stop attacks on shopkeepers paying protection money. You can protect two shopkeepers a night.

Goals
Survive. No.1 priority.
Protect: Make sure that you stop attacks on shopkeepers paying protection money. The more you protect the better.
Miss Curtis - Joecoolyo
Miss Curtis (Joecoolyo)
http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/4372/2467407781230bda542e998.jpg

You are a former female body-builder and you were working out at the gym that Mr Greenwood owned and he saw your impressive physique and he knew he should hire you. You are mainly around for protecting the other people in the Sharks gang. But you have heard about the other Mafia group called the vipers and you have hear rumours about the fact a female in the other organisation is trying to start up an all female

Stats:
Sex – Female
Wealth – Poor
Status – Poor
Criminal Record – Yes. You were convicted for shoplifting while you had little to eat. You spent one month in prison for this minor crime.

Abilities.
You can protect one member of your gang for one 24 hour period, should you choose to. You die should they be targeted.

Goals.
Join the Mafia group set up by the female from the Viper gang. So that means you need to find out who she is first.
Protect a few attacks, since you still need to make a living.
Get your boss into jail (lynched).

Here are the people charged with protecting the town from the mafia, or at least should have been.

The Authority figures
You three are charged with keeping this city clean. You three are well known corruption fighters and it was the work of you three that caught the former crime boss Mr Greene (classical_hero). With him out of the picture things did get rosy for awhile, but unfortunately he did have a back up plan and now you guys have to work harder than before to clean up the streets and make New Townsville a city worth living in again. You have the newly elected Mayor (Skwink Caesar), the Chief of Police (Mad Man) and you have the Police Captain (taillesskangaru) working with each other. You are all innocent, so you can trust each other.

Here is your Quick Topic. http://www.quicktopic.com/45/H/NsyawxtPrhT

Your goals are to remove the crime off the street and to remove any corrupt cops. Pretty simple or is it? The main priority is to capture the heads of the two crime organisations.

The Mayor - Skwink Caesar
Mayor Drummond (Skwink Caesar)
http://img810.imageshack.us/img810/3963/mayorschmenk57122695725.jpg

You are the first elected female Mayor of the city of New Townsville and as a result of this you have run up some enemies since generally only men have been in charge of this town, so you have ruffled a few feathers. Most of the people love your new style of leading this city and so you have a great support amongst the general population, but the people are terrified about the state of the city and it is your chance to show that the previous males were inept. The people have put their trust in you, so are you going to let them down. Since you are in charge of this city you are in regular contact with Chief of Police and the Captain so that you can keep tabs on what is going on.

Stats:
Sex – Female
Wealthy – Rich
Status – Powerful
Criminal Record – No, since you could not be mayor if you had one.

Abilities.
Immunity. While more than 2/3 the town is alive you cannot be killed or lynched.
Martial law. If things start to get bad you can call martial law and for a period of 3 days it will mean that anyone who is found to be doing any night actions will be shot on sight no questions asked by the police.

Goals.
Survive. No.1 priority.
Are the same as the Authority team group.

Chief of Police - Mad Man/dcmort93 2
Chief of Police - Chief Denver (dcmort93)
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/9518/chiefwilliamsweb4883860.jpg

Here is your badge
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/3843/chiefbadge1342669.jpg

You are the chief of police and as a result you are here to remove all scum, whether they be the Mafia gangs trying, people putting the law into their own hands or other crimes that are sure to exist. It s crazy being the chief of police but you have had a long career as a dedicated law official and now times are getting even worse after what you thought was a major victory in getting Mr Greene (classical_hero) killed in a gunfight with your men. There was a bit of lull in violence but now things are heating up. You do know of a new organisation that rose out of the ashes of Mr Greene's old organisation, the Untouchables. You do know that they call themselves the Vipers and this new group is starting to get up and running again. You know from Mr Johnstone (Duke Blackstone) that the leader of that group is Mr Gilmore (Khazaar). That is all you know so far, but right now you do not have enough evidence to get him to prison, but hopefully soon it will happen. You have heard rumours of a new gang that split from the ashes of the Untouchables, but you don’t have too much information on that group. So you want someone to join that group and get some info.

Stats:
Sex – Male
Wealth – Rich
Status – Powerful
Criminal Record – No

Abilities.
Super Lynch – For one night only you can force a lynch on some one, but you have to show the evidence to back up your case, otherwise it won't work, also it is not fail safe, so use it wisely. This will override the town’s lynch.
Wire tapping. You may tap up to 2 people at one time during the game to see what PMs they are send to other people. This lasts for a day period, so if your tap does not yield much information, you can change it to someone else.
Unlynchable. You cannot be lynched during this game, only night killed by someone in the Mafia.

Goals
Survive.
Get one of the crime bosses into prison(lynched).
Infiltration. Get one of your honest cops or informant to join the Sharks and get info on them.

Captain - taillesskangaru
Captain Cleveland (taillesskangaru)
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/2954/mvc002s9212383.jpg

Here is your badge
http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/2794/captainbadge.jpg

You are the captain of the police force and you have only just risen to this position due to the fact that due to your detective work you were able to catch New Townsville's most wanted criminal so now you are just settling into this job. You have been in the force for 20 years and your hard work an dedication, but it also has gotten you a few enemies, so watch out for them. As Captain it is you duty to be strong for the people and capture the bad guys.

Stats:
Sex – Male
Wealth – Average
Status – powerful
Criminal Record – No

Abilities.
Super Lynch – For one night only you can force a lynch on some one, but you have to show the evidence to back up your case, otherwise it won't work, also it is not fail safe, so use it wisely. This will override the town’s lynch.
Task force. You can set them up to help solve unsolved crimes, meaning that you can select two of your officers to be on that task force, meaning they have to devote their energies on that during the day periods. The task force will be devoted to following an individual for that day phases. They will be able to see who they contact during that time.
Unkillable. You cannot be kill during this game, only lynched.


Goals.
Survive.
Get one of the task forces to make an arrest of a Mafia member or the serial killer.

The Cops
You are charged with keeping the peace of the town. You have guns at your disposal but they are to only be used whenever you are under attack. There will be an investigation should anyone use deadly force, just in case they were wrong.

Here is a list of the Police in this game.
Chief of Police (Mad Man)
Captain Cleveland (taillesskangaru)
Detective Ramone (Beefy187)
Detective Morgan (dcmort93)
Officer Rooney (Nictel)
Officer Lee (Takhisis)
Officer Richmond (Romanichine)
Officer Strawhorn (Autolycus)

Also you have a confidential informant. Miss Youmans (Sonereal). She can help you out should you need some extra help in capturing the bad guys.

Goals.
You guys are committed to stopping crime from happening and getting those who do commit crimes into jail.

Detective Ramone Beefy187/DaveShack
Detective Ramone (Beefy187) DaveShack
http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/5250/1nstrawhornwideweb430x3.jpg

Here is your badge.
http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/3481/detectivebadge2.jpg

You are a crooked cop. You are a former member of the drug squad before you got moved to the New Townsville police department, so during an arrest of a former druggie you were able to persuade her to become an informant, so that she would not need to spend time in jail. But it was with the evidence that you, your informant and Officer Richmond that got a former member of the force, Mr Kennedy, into jail for crimes that you guys committed. Officer Richmond is your lover, so keep it silent. You were setting a scheme that would make all three of you guys rich. Basically you were taking bribes for a long time, but now that you have collected some cash you have stopped the scheme for awhile so that you can look to be a good cop, but know you want more of the high life again.

Stats:
Sex – Male
Wealth – Average
Status – Average
Criminal Record – No

Abilities.
Favours. You can ask some shopkeepers for favours so that they can give you stuff for you. Each shopkeeper can give you something that you could use, no object is useless to you. There are some young pretty women around, so you know what they are for. ;)
Notebook. You can go around asking people about there contacts and you can threaten them with jail if they don't comply.

Goals.
Survive.
Sexual favour. You want some extra nookie so you want to get one of the women to give you a “favour” that you really want.
Arrest. Even though you are corrupt, you have never worked for a crime gang so you want to get them into prison. So gather evidence against one of them that you can give to the captain to get a crime member into prison.
Kill. You know that Mr Kennedy. You have a gun, so make sure that you “accidentally” shoot him during a visit to him to ask questions.

Here is his role after he was corrupted by Khazaar.

After the past few days you have seen a close colleague die and you realised that if you wanted to live in this town so you knew you had to be a member of a gang. That came when you were asked by Mr Gilmore (Khazaar) to join a new gang he was going to set up after his previous gang was to easily destroyed by the police.

Stats:
Sex – Male
Wealth – Rich
Status – Rich
Criminal Record – No

Abilities.
Arrest. You can arrest one person for a 24 hour period (the 3 phases) so you can ask them question. This means they cannot perform night actions or contact anyone else, besides their one phone call(one PM).
Notebook. You can go around asking people about their contacts and you can threaten them with jail if they don't comply. You can do this any time of the day.
Recruitment. You can recruit two shopkeepers to be part of the new gang with you and Mr Gilmore.

Goals.
Survive.
Arrest. You now work for Mr Gilmore, so arresting a member of the Sharks gang is a must to show your loyalty to him
Kill. You know that Mr Kennedy. You have a gun, so make sure that you use it on him. You know he is a member of the Sharks gang.
Kill. The Chief of Police. He knows too much about your boss so he must be killed.
Detective Morgan - dcmort93
Detective Morgan (dcmort93)
http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/843/59b5cf47ea6253cf8f27d26.jpg

Here is you badge
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/3382/detectivebadge3.jpg

Even though you are female, you are known in the force as one of the toughest people going around. You will not take no for an answer and often you go the “extra mile” to get evidence out of people. Sometimes you use you femininity to try and convince them, but sometimes you do have to get violent. You are an honest cop but sometimes you do go to far, but it is in your search for justice that you can get a bit heated. After seeing what is happening you are not sure what justice is any more.

Stats:
Sex – Female
Wealth – Average
Status – Average
Criminal record – No

Abilities.
Notebook. You can go around asking people about there contacts and you can threaten them with jail if they don't comply.
Arrest. You can arrest one person for a 24 hour period (the 3 phases) so you can ask them question. This means they cannot perform night actions or contact anyone else, besides their one phone call.

Goals.
Survive.
Arrest the Serial killer. This has been your goal for your time here since he killed a good friend of yours and now you want revenge to be served to this horrible man.

Officer Lee - Takhisis
Officer Lee (Takhisis)
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/3781/policewoman9908978.jpg

Here is your badge.
http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/576/policebadge5.jpg

You are a rookie cop on her first year on the beat who has seen her partner get gunned down on the beat. This incident has scarred you and you had a deeper look into the gang world and what you saw really excited you. You managed to approach a woman called Miss Tessmacher and she was able to seduce you on the lifestyle of the gang. As a result of this encounter you decided to join this gang and reap the benefits of being a member. To keep this secret you have set up a secret bank account to make sure that only a handful of people know you are making extra money on the side. Miss Tessmacher has told you about her idea of becoming the leader and running the gang. You are fully on board with this and as a result you are trusted by her to have some women to join the group when the time is right. You have a secret bank account for all the proceeds of crime, so be hoping that no one finds out, or else you are in big trouble.

Stats:
Sex – Female
Wealth – Poor/Rich
Status – Weak
Criminal record – No

Abilities.
Recruitment. You may recruit two more members to Miss Tessmacher's plans.

Goals.
Survive. No.1 priority.
Become Miss Tessmacher's second in command
Make sure Miss Tessmacher survives to the end of the game.
Get another police officer arrested for a crime you committed.
Officer Richmond - Romanichine
Officer Richmond (Romanichine)
http://img576.imageshack.us/img576/2232/1214985305400001109b42f.jpg

Here is your badge.
http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/9884/policebadge2.jpg

You are Detective Ramone's lover. You two started an illicit relationship many years ago and so far you have not been caught but if you do you know you will be off the force and you don't want that to happen. You can ask him about the scheme he set up, but he prefers you don't know, so that you don't get into trouble. Your brother was a challenger to the mayor so you will do whatever it takes to remove the mayor, since you are angry that she won instead of your brother (Love)

Stats:
Sex – Female
Wealth – Poor
Status – Weak
Criminal Record – No

Abilities.
None besides what the Captain asks you to do.

Goal
Survive.
Remove the mayor. This can be done by starting a rumour about her or getting her killed by a gang member. Either way is fine by you.

Officer Strawhorn - Autolycus
Officer Strawhorn (Autolycus)
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/9637/b134104593379.jpg

Here is your badge
http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/8315/policebadge3.jpg

You are a cop who has been a valuable asset to the force. You are hard working and always give your all to the job. For that you have gain a few enemies on the force due to your general goodness, which not many share with you. You know you are part of the thin blue line that is keeping society from falling. You will do the very best for your Captain.

Stats:
Sex – Male
Wealth – Poor
Status – Weak
Criminal record – No

Abilities.
None besides what the Captain asks you to do.

Goal
Survive
Confidential informant, Miss Youmans - Sonereal
Confidential informant - Miss Youmans (Sonereal)
http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/6060/prostitute9760662.jpg

You are a prostitute, but you got arrested by Detective Ramone and as part of plea bargain you became an informant for the police. As your new role you help the police by getting extra info on the past of the people and why they have been in prison if they have been in prison. Since you are still a prostitute you can still sell your services to men of the town and in fact many of the Police are frequent users of your services.

Stats:
Sex – Female
Wealth - Average
Status – Weak
Criminal record – Yes. You have spent a few days in prison for drug possession, so any more an you would get a longer jail sentence, so you cut a deal to catch the supplier, Mr Greene and allow you not to go to jail.

Abilities.
The Past. You can search peoples past and find out why they were put into jail.
Sex Sells. You still need to get people into bed, so trap men with your sexual charms. They will tell you what they are doing that night, so you can deduce one man during the afternoon phase.

Goals.
Survive.
Future Crime. Get a man to blurt out what they are going to do at night and make sure that it is a crime.

Here is the vigilantes group
You guys know the corruption of the town will eventually kill it, so you are willing to do anything to make sure people are safe, even resorting to killing those you feel are making the town a bad place to live. You have a journalist (Jarrema) and a PI (Link)

Here is your QT http://www.quicktopic.com/45/H/pwPS3fDh8qf

Goals.
Remove all corruption.

Mrs Smith - Jarrema
Journalist – Mrs Smith (Jarrema)
http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/8818/youngfemalejournalistth.jpg

You are a hard hitting investigation reporter. You are keen to bring any story from all angles. This means that you will go to any lengths to get a story. You know that basically this town is corrupt so you are here to expose any corruption, whether it be the police of the gangs around. You know that a big story will ensure should you eliminate all corruption and eventually make New Townsville a liveable city again. Now that is a story that you want to tell.

Stats:
Sex – Female
Wealth – Average
Status – Weak
Crinimal record – No

Abilities.
Police scanner. This enables you to know what the police are up to on any given day. You can follow the action where it take place.
Freedom of Information. This means you can scan a person for their criminal record.

Goal
Survive
Mr Goodes - Link
Private Investigator – Mr Goodes (Link)
http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/1070/istock000000726157small.jpg

You have been a investigator for many years. You have been very close to finding those who gunned downed you partner while you were on the force. You know that he was set up by members of the force, but you could not prove that, so it left you frustrated with the force and meant you had to do any investigations by yourself. So you became a PI so you could feed yourself. You have been in great demand, but now you have a greater role, in cleaning up this town.

Here is your private investigator badge
http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/2540/2009badgesstb0002privat.jpg

Stats:
Sex – Male
Wealth – Average
Status – Average
Criminal record – Yes. While you were investigating a possible crime the police contacted you to get information from you, but you refused, and thus you spent a few months in prison for obstructing Justice.

Abilities.
Financial records. You have the contact that allows you to get into the financial record of those you are looking at. This should be a good indicator of there power here, since most of the rich got their wealth via crooked means.
Kill. You do have a gun just in case things go wrong, but you use it to remove anyone you think it on the side of evil.

Goal.
Survive
Now here are the shopkeepers.

Mr Johnson - Zack
http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/117/pushup315096950.jpg

You are a personal trainer. The people of New Townsville have come to visit you to get rid of the unsightly flab that most of them are carrying. You are very good at the Job.

Stas:
Sex – Male
Wealth – Average
Status – Weak
Criminal record – No

Abilities.
None

Goal.
Survive.

Miss Duncan - bestrfcplayer
http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/4787/grocerycashier758319578.jpg

You have paid some money to the Sharks Gang for your protection after they demanded you pay them. You did this since you wanted to live out your dream of being a superstar. You know that being dead will not get you there, so you needed to pay of a Mafia group so that you will not die. You are just a checkout chick until you have studied through acting school.

Stats:
Sex – Female
Wealth – poor
Status – Poor
Criminal Record – No, you are too young and not wanting to jeopardise your future career.

Abilities
None

Goal.
Survive

Mrs Hendricks - NaturoAvatarDBZ
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/4953/accountantauditfinancia.jpg

You have paid some money to the Viper gang for your protection after they demanded you pay them. You know your way around with money, which is why you “paid” the Viper Gang some protection money, when in fact the money was given to you via Miss Tessmacher (CivGeneral). She has lined you up as part of a new gang of all women. You gladly signed up for this.

Stats:
Sex – Female
Wealth – Rich
Status – Average
Criminal record – No

Abilities.
None yet.

Goals
Survive
Join the all female gang.

Mr Campbell - BSmith1068
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/6029/butcher73065867314877.jpg

You have paid some money to the Sharks gang for your protection after they demanded you pay them. You are butcher and your meats are of the highest quality and you have won many awards for the quality of service. You supply to many up market restaurants, so you know that your work is top quality.

Stats:
Sex - Male
Wealth – Rich
Status – Powerful
Criminal Record – No

Abilities
None

Goal.
Survive
After being recruited by Mayor Richmond

You are now working for the mayor and you basically do his dirty work. The fact that most of your time you spend in your shop helps to give you an advantage. Since your boss in the mayor, he had the power to get you out of any trouble he gets you to do, so take that as a thing you can use to do whatever you want to do.

Abilities.
Kill. You can now use your butchers knife to kill someone should the mayor want you to.

Goals.
Get people do be following the mayor. Use any means necessary for that to happen.
Kill off any rivals of the mayor.

Zeletdude - Mrs Cole
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/97/nursechart7202808336612.jpg

You have paid some money to the Viper gang for your protection after they demanded you pay them. You are a nurse and perform a vital role in society, so with that you knew you had to be around, but you reluctantly paid them money when they got to you. You want to get out of them be free from the mob.

Stats:
Sex – Female
Wealth – poor
Status – Weak
Criminal Record – No, otherwise you could not get into your profession

Abilities.
None

Goals
Survive
Get from out of the Viper Gang's protection racket.

Miss Nelson - robbiecon
http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/3134/teachera.jpg
You have paid some money to the Sharks gang for your protection after they demanded you pay them. You are a teacher and for fear of your life you decided to pay up, rather than not see the kids dreams go unfulfilled. You really love this job, which is why you reluctantly paid up.

Stats:
Sex – Female
Wealth – Poor
Status – Poor
Criminal Record – No, otherwise you would not have got the job.

Abilities
None

Goal.
Survive

Mr Gordon - Camikaze
http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/3777/6a00d8341cedad53ef01348.jpg

You have paid some money to the Viper gang for your protection after they demanded you pay them. You are the local green grocer and you have been working many years and soon you want to retire. You now you have plenty to see with your wife, so you paid off the local gangsters just so you could live until you retire and leave the town for good.

Stats:
Sex – Male
Wealth – Average
Status – Weak
Criminal record – No

Abilities
On the 8th day you can retire, meaning you can leave the game for good.

Goal
Retire

Mrs Gray - Askthepizzaguy
Mrs Gray (askthepizzaguy)
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/9173/youngdoctor.jpg

You are the local GP and without it the people of New Townsville will have to wait a long time to see a doctor, but you are around to help the people.

Stats:
Sex – Female
Wealth – Average
Status – Weak
Criminal record – No

Abilities
None

Goal
Survive

Mr Richmond - Love/Askthepizzaguy2
http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/7523/firemancostume0599606.jpg

Your sister is in the force (Romanichine) and she will do anything to help you to realise your goal, and that is becoming mayor. You lost to the current Mayor and your are annoyed ever since then you have been extremely bitter about the experience. You want revenge and you have asked your sister to help you out, which she has gladly accepted. She will be your eyes and ears on anything juicy that the people should know, but if not you can always start a rumour yourself to get her into trouble. You are doing this job of a fireman just to keep under the radar.

Stats:
Sex – Male
Wealth – Rich
Status – Average
Criminal Record – No

Abilities
Start a rumour. Get rid of the mayor by any means.

Goals
Survive
Remove the Mayor from office.
His role after being recruited by Khazaar

http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/7523/firemancostume0599606.jpg

Your sister is in the force (Romanichine) and she will do anything to help you to realise your goal, and that is becoming mayor. You lost to the current Mayor and your are annoyed ever since then you have been extremely bitter about the experience. You want revenge and you have asked your sister to help you out, which she has gladly accepted. She will be your eyes and ears on anything juicy that the people should know, but if not you can always start a rumour yourself to get her into trouble. You are doing this job of a fireman just to keep under the radar.

Stats:
Sex – Male
Wealth – Rich
Status – Average
Criminal Record – No

Abilities
Start a rumour. Get rid of the mayor by any means.

Goals
Survive
Remove the Mayor from office.
Then it become that just simply removing the mayor was not enough to having to kill the mayor. Now here is role as Mayor
Congratulations Mayor Richmond on your election to the post of the mayor. It is pretty simple, you now have the power to control the town. First you need to remove any threats to your reign, which means you have to eliminate those who can oppose you, being the leader of the Sharks and the helpers of the former mayor, that you so ruthlessly killed off to get this position. You will need some people to help you with that goal, so you will need to recruit two people to help you. Thankfully one has already joined up, that being Snerk (Miss Jones) and she will be your secretary helping you in making you look good. She will be there for aesthetic reasons and to give your organisation role a good cover. Now all you need is someone for your personal protection and to do any of your dirty work. The person needs to be a guy, so for your benefit there are only two possible options for this role left in the town, being either Zack or BSmith1068, choose one of them to help you do your dirty work.

New Abilities.
Recruit: You need a person to do the dirty work, now that you are mayor.
Pardon:You can pardon one of your recruits for being arrested for going to jail for doing your dirty work.

New Goals
Remove the former town leadership (Chief of Police and the Captain. Also kill the leader of the sharks.
Pardon your henchmen as many times ass possible. If they figure you are behind the crimes, then you can go to jail, so it is best you stay out of the dirty work.

Mrs Kennedy - DaveShack
http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/272/352698628psiwieph098298.jpg

You were formerly the wife of Mr Kennedy a member of the Bomb Squad until he was sent to jail. Since you left him you needed to get some work, so you decided to do what you did before you met him. You became a waitress again.

Stats:
Sex – Female
Wealth – Poor
Status – Weak
Criminal record – No.

Abilities
None

Goal
Survive

Miss Simpson - choxorn
http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/3119/img011121564922158901.jpg

You actually do not work in this town, but you are here on a holiday. You are normally a flight attendant, but on many occasion you have visited this city while on work, but now you wanted to visit the city. You know it can be dangerous for a young woman like you, but you wanted some adventure.

Stats:
Sex – Female
Wealth – Poor
Status – Weak
Criminal record – Yes. You spent a few days in jail after drinking too much.

Abilities
None

Goal
Return home. On the 11th day you are due back home, so you need to survive until then.

Miss Jones - Snerk
http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/5648/2006longblonde4912039.jpg

Everyone knows that one day you want become a Model, so doing this is great for connections and hopefully one day you will do a major show and hopefully someone will recognise your beauty and sign you up to a modelling contract, but for now you are working as an hairdresser waiting for that big break to come your way. You already have a portfolio ready should someone ask for shots.

Stats:
Sex – Female
Wealth – Poor
Status – Weak
Criminal record – Yes. You once were caught with some ecstasy tablets at a party, you spent one night in prison for it.

Abilities
None

Goal
Survive
After Being recruited by The Mayor

After the attack you were persuaded by the mayor to work for him, that's right, he was the one who attacked you and put you into hospital and now you are working for him, since you fear for your life should you tell anyone. But you can see the bigger picture to you goal of getting exposure, since working for the mayor you will meet the movers and shakers of New Townsville. This is a big break for you, since it gives some extra money that you always wanted and it might be able to lead you to your dream goal of becoming a model. The mayor has promised that if you work for him for a time period you will be free from this position and you will get your dream of a modelling contract.

Stats:
Sex – Female
Wealth – Average
Status – Average
Criminal record – Yes. You once were caught with some ecstasy tablets at a party, you spent one night in prison for it.

Abilities:
None

Goal
Become a model by working hard for Mayor Richmond. He will reward you and then you will be happy with your new life.

And finally our Serial killer.
Mr Tweedy (Darth Caesar)
http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/739/p12100912244683986.jpg

You are a mime, which is a great cover role for you, since in your spare time you like to kill. So that means you are a serial killer.

Stats:
Sex – Male
Wealth – Poor
Status – Average
Criminal Record – No

Abilities.
Mime. During the day and afternoon period you cannot post in the thread, except only via pictures or gifs, since you are a mime and thus cannot talk for your work.
Scan. You can scan one person during the day period (1st phase) to see if they more powerful than you, if not, then you can try and kill them. You kill by use of a rope that is part of your act.

Goals.
Kill as many people as possible.

My main frustrations with the game was the first i did not get enough sign up, since it meant that I had to reduce the size of the vigilante group, which meant that any inactivity would really hurt them, plus I forgot to include a roleblocker with them, which is why I added it to Kenngit's role, which was originally just going to be a normal townie. The whole point of the vigilantes were to try and route out any unconfirmed mafia and suspicious cops.

I will say that the serial killer role was a challenge since it was not possible for him to post in the thread with any words, but then the possibility for fun in the thread could have been high with him only to communicate via pictures in the thread. He only ever killed one person and that was APTG, which was very disappointing.

I will explain the stats since they did play a role in the game. The point of the wealth and status was for them to be an indicator of those who gotten then via ill gotten gains, since those with lots of wealth and power are generally going to be mafia, which i why I did plant a few false readings in the shopkeepers so it would not be totally confirmation of guilt or innocence in the game. The Criminal record statistic was always going to be a false indicator, since those in the most powerful positions would rarely have them, since they had avoided the law already.

Well huh, that's why DC never posted.

^^ Huh?

^^ Huh?

Darth Caesar.

You're dcmort.

Duh I almost forgot he was in this game

My game needs sign-ups, I would like to have at least 30, but I can take as many as want to play.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=419823

Any and all plans I had were thrown out once Domination revealed all the Vipers. Previously I had decided to refrain from voting until I knew more about the gang I might suddenly be a part of. Once Civgeneral was lynched, I decided that I still had a high chance of making it far if I continued to not vote. Otherwise, I thought I would appear to have been converted. To the end of being as unnoticeable as possible while trying to seem scummy enough to warrant a scan, I remained quiet after the Mayor was re-elected. To be honest I was skeptical of giving pizza mayorship (Mainly after he implied certain townie roles were ruined when the Vipers were exposed) [And depending on when he was converted, this may have been a false alarm], but it'd be very easy to mount a case against me if anyone found the need to at that point. I didn't feel confident that my cover story (that I had an ability to influence voting but didn't know how if functioned) was very convincing, so I remained more or less silent until I was WOGed.

Sorry classical, but it hink we had a bit of a mix-up, I ended up thinking I was still loyal to the Vipers -or more accurately, to Miss Tessmacher- after CivGeneral died.

Sorry classical, but it hink we had a bit of a mix-up, I ended up thinking I was still loyal to the Vipers -or more accurately, to Miss Tessmacher- after CivGeneral died.

No need to apologize, everything worked out in the end.

For you, not for me. I played the whole game thinking I was still a scummer. Which I was in a way -as a survivor- but, still…

For you, not for me. I played the whole game thinking I was still a scummer. Which I was in a way -as a survivor- but, still…

I wanted to end the game with as many people converted to my scum faction as possible so that more people could win. I was so upset Zack died, when he was killed by the town in their death throes.

Survivalists, neutral whatevers, convertible townies, everyone I could, I was trying to leave alone or convert. If I had any clue you were no threat to me or a possible recruit, you would be standing here with me.

Sorry classical, but it hink we had a bit of a mix-up, I ended up thinking I was still loyal to the Vipers -or more accurately, to Miss Tessmacher- after CivGeneral died.

Your loyalties lied with Miss Tessmacher and since she did not become the boss, it means that you had no chance of being art of the people let out. You needed her to become boss for you to be part f the victory.

So I was a full cop? I could have used the headsup, you know…

One thing I am sure that no one would ever try again is to allow people to quote PM's from the host. What I was hoping to happen is that people would be creative and make some fantastic fakes so that it would bring some craziness to the thread, but unfortunately things did not plan out like I had hoped, so things got bad right from the get go. I was willing to take a risk with that aspect and unfortunately it did not work out like I had hopped.

So I was a full cop? I could have used the headsup, you know…

Once Miss Tessmacher was arrested, you had no hope of being part of a mafia group, unless you got recruited or something. Since you were not directly part of the Vipers at the start meant you had to be waiting for Miss Tessmacher to take the lead of the group, which would have happened had dcmort93 used the forced lynch much sooner as I had hoped and then things would have been so much different.

I'm a little upset. The odds of completing my victory condition with the role I had were almost none, but others had it waaaaay easy.

One thing I am sure that no one would ever try again is to allow people to quote PM's from the host. What I was hoping to happen is that people would be creative and make some fantastic fakes so that it would bring some craziness to the thread, but unfortunately things did not plan out like I had hoped, so things got bad right from the get go. I was willing to take a risk with that aspect and unfortunately it did not work out like I had hopped.

Well I sent a fake to Duke Blackstone, and as far as I was aware he thought it was real.

I'm a little upset. The odds of completing my victory condition with the role I had were almost none, but others had it waaaaay easy.

That is the way life is. Most people simply had the role to survive, so I was hoping that since that was there only role, that they would fight tooth and nail to survive and it was possible if they realised that working with the mafia was the quickest way of doing that, then the game would have been over so much quicker. The goal of the mafia was not to be killing, but to be control the town and with most people being in survival mode it seems they just hoped for the best rather then be active and try to get a win earlier, which is why only one "townie" won with the mafia. Also the cops did not have to be doing good all the time, they could have been doing corrupt things and getting rich off the shopkeepers, but that did not happen.

I would suggest that had the vigilante not targeted you, Zack, you'd have won since I had already applied pressure to you, meaning you were on the fast track to winning with me/Vipers.

It was a bad luck shot for the town to hit you instead of me or BSmith, and bad luck for you since you were basically one turn away from winning with us.

So, near impossible? Not so much. Bad outcome, yes, but you were nearly there. You had done everything right to survive up to that point, and the remaining mafia considered you an ally. Blast the vigilantes....

Also, Serial Killer went inactive after killing me. LAME.

That is the way life is.

This is mafia...

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/funny-pictures-mafia-cat-disposes-of-the-body.jpg

It was still an enjoyable game, c_h. :hatsoff:

:)

For starters, the game must be winnable by all factions, even if the odds are against that happening.

If there is a large faction (the town/innocent team) which has two protector/doctor/defender roles, then it is entirely possible that they could simply reveal publicly and then defend each other for the rest of the game. If there is a reliable investigator, they could also both be checked out. Now it is almost impossible for these two roles to die. They won't be lynched or murdered. Add a serial killer/lone wolf role. No matter how awesome this particular role, this role will not be able to defeat the two basically bulletproof roles. And that means that the game has the potential to be broken and unwinnable for the Serial Killer role. He cannot outvote or murder the two defenders. So no matter whatever else happens, the Serial Killer will always lose to this duo in the end.

In theory you could give the Serial Killer extra voting power or the ability to somehow murder through protection, and it could possibly be balanced that way. But at the same time, the game is still fairly unbalanced because until those two roles are dead, everyone else in the game is much more suspect and liable to be voted en masse and slain at the request of the two nigh-unstoppable innocents.

Even if you made it balanced, what happens if the game events unfold in such a way that the balance is disturbed? Suppose one of the two defenders is killed right away.... in your zeal to balance the game, you've made this incredibly powerful Serial Killer who has abilities tailor-made to match your potentially unstoppable innocent duo. But that duo no longer exists.... the game has become very unbalanced because an intended element to stand up to the uber-powerful serial killer no longer exists, and the see-saw is tilted too far in the other direction for the game to be balanced. It could just end up being a one-sided slaughter, all because the game host didn't make proper preparations for the eventuality of an early power role loss.


So far:

1) Make sure the game is winnable by all sides at the start of the game.
2) If one of the balancing elements is removed early on, make sure the game is still winnable for all sides. Otherwise one wrong lynch or murder ends the game and all the suspense is sucked out of it.




Some game hosts loathe to make basic roles, so they start passing out abilities and personal goals to everyone. But after crafting some awesome abilities and personal goals for over half the players, they start running low on ideas and just throw something together at the last minute. So now you have:

LAME ROLES.

Example:

Your objective is to locate character A using your scanning power. Your scanning power is useless for anything else. Your personal goal is to make sure such and such a character doesn't die. You have the ability to protect said character one time. But since you don't know when they will be attacked, your personal goal is nigh-impossible. And it is far more likely they will die before you even find them. If you do find them, when do you protect them?

I understand personal goals where you want so-and-so to survive, or wish to outlive so-and-so. That's fine as a stand-alone, throwaway, bonus points kind of goal, but when that is all that person is focused on, and they barely have the skills to accomplish that at all, then the role is pretty weak.

It is just taking a basic standard innocent role and giving it what amounts to a bogus, unwinnable mission. As if that player's character is given busywork.... sure, lynch some scumbags, but also do my taxes. It's not very interesting, and the whole concept is forgettable.

Given the near impossibility of accomplishing that goal, it's not even worth focusing on. Meanwhile, someone else might have the inclination to kill a certain person, and have the ability to murder them outright. It's a far easier goal to accomplish. Which of the two personal goals do you think will be fulfilled by the game's end?



3) Every player in your game is important. Make sure they have realistic goals and a realistic shot at accomplishing said goals, even if it is difficult. If you give them an ultra-weak role and a lame goal and nearly no chance of accomplishing it, that person's enjoyment of the game could be affected. Meanwhile, Johnny with the powerful role and the easy goal accomplishes his task, simply because he was lucky enough to be granted the easy role.


TBH I would have rather been a vanilla innocent. I had no abilities, no concept AT ALL of game concepts, and my only VC was to survive. Because of this, I couldn't really try to go after scumbags, for fear of getting nightkilled, so the only possible way for me to accomplish my victory was to do absolutely nothing and try to win the dirty way, which isn't fun. At all. Just changing my VC to a standard town VC would have made the game much more enjoyable for me. Not to mention how much it angered me to see players like Camikaze, who not only started out with Viper protection, but didn't have to survive nearly as long as I did to win the game.

Just keep that in mind for future games. Ask yourself, "How would I feel if I received this role?" :)

Nah, Zack, I'm going to continue to make that single role that's worse than a vanilla Innocent in every game just for the chance of it going randomly to you. Random.org likes being that way you know, it has its own little secrets for all of us.


Though yeah, I agree with how some of the "you should just survive" shopkeepers had it here, as a spectator. Kinda glad I wasn't part of this one though, man it took a while to wrap up and lost a lot of steam, bad luck.

Not to mention how much it angered me to see players like Camikaze, who not only started out with Viper protection, but didn't have to survive nearly as long as I did to win the game.

Eh, I didn't mind. :p

@Zach. You were so close to winning, that you were very much unlucky in not winning. The beauty of most shopkeepers is that they could have won if they sided with the mafia or if they had sided with the upper echelon of the cops. The odds were quite good of winning if people were more active behind the scenes, where I was expecting lots of backstabbing to happen and people changing who they though would be on the winning side and thus try and play both sides. Perhaps I was asking too much. Also Camikaze and Choxorn could have failed there goals if those who had their primary goal of surviving had made pats with the mafia to be working with them, since that was quickest way of getting a victory.

As a simple shopkeeper that only had a goal of survival, I was fine with the role. I was able to work behind the scenes to try to influence things (which I think I did fairly well) and that ultimately got me recruited and secured my win.