just wondering how this is going.

Halted. Thanks to school.

Will get back to it come mid-June.

Most of the questions the newer ones amongst you are asking have been answered earlier. Read the earlier posts and your questions should be answered.

Have you considered porting in metal weapons from FFH? It is one thing I always wanted to see in RFC. The idea that controlling a better metal resource makes all your troops stronger just makes sense. I think there also exists an independent mod pack for them somewhere. But really, consider it if you have the time.

You can even go further and check out what Wild Mana did with their whole system of gathering and stacking metal and wood resources to bust your units through purchasable promotions. It's just epic.

Halted. Thanks to school.
No matter gay straight or bi,
lesbian trans gendered life,

No matter black white or beige,
Chola or orient made,

WE ALL HATE SCHOOLS !!!
#random

No matter gay straight or bi,
lesbian trans gendered life,

No matter black white or beige,
Chola or orient made,

WE ALL HATE SCHOOLS !!!
#random

I don't hate school, just the punks :dunno:

I don't hate school, just the punks :dunno:

Well. Punk can be annoying most of the time :)
Don't you dislike homeworks and test? lol.

my first time playing this mod, my civ is england:

portugal attacked spain on their spawn and made them collapse
arabia was christian
christianity hasn't spread to my cities in british isles in 1300 ad, only my city in north africa

lol

Would anybody be for or against adding the olives resource also from RFC Europe? One in SE Spain, one around the Naples tile, another next to the Sparta tile?

that's not many places, there must be a better more widely available resource to add.

How about natural gas? It can go in the Mediterranean near Jerusalem, in the North Sea, Russia, Canada, etc.

How about natural gas? It can go in the Mediterranean near Jerusalem, in the North Sea, Russia, Canada, etc.

I like it. Could be an alternative to coal for power, maybe would add happiness to civs north of a certain line, to represent heating gas?

That's nice idea!

So I've been having this problem while playing: at random times playing both scenarios, the game crashes. I don't know if anyone else experiences this problem, but I'd like if someone could tell me what I'm doing wrong...

By the way, this is my first post on these forums...

So I've been having this problem while playing: at random times playing both scenarios, the game crashes. I don't know if anyone else experiences this problem, but I'd like if someone could tell me what I'm doing wrong...

By the way, this is my first post on these forums...

Happens to me too. Around thirty minutes to an hour of gametime, at end turn, it crashes, right?

So I've been having this problem while playing: at random times playing both scenarios, the game crashes. I don't know if anyone else experiences this problem, but I'd like if someone could tell me what I'm doing wrong...

By the way, this is my first post on these forums...
Welcome to the forum [party] As for the crashes How good is your computer? with all the extra civ's the mod is more unstable, all i can say is use auto saves and hope for the best :).

Welcome to the forum [party] As for the crashes How good is your computer? with all the extra civ's the mod is more unstable, all i can say is use auto saves and hope for the best :).

So solution is kill lots of civs? :lol:

That's my solution to most problems :mwaha:
Edit: i was getting mixed up with my mod mods, there aren't any extra civs although there are lots of other stuff that would do the same thing :lol:

Well, the same thing happens to me in DoC. Could it be that a bug transferred to this mod from there?

Dunno how good my computer is, I know it's an ASUS and the nice lady at Best Buy said it was good for gaming... I've been using autosaves lately, and they've been helping a bunch. There was this one time I played for about two hours straight, and had established Germany as super power, taking mostly all of Europe, but then it crashed. Luckily, it autosaved...

that's not many places, there must be a better more widely available resource to add.

I thought it would be more interesting for trading if there were less. There can be one in Southern Spain next to Seville and a second one in the East next to Valencia representing Spain's dominance of olive production. Another one in Naples, another in any of the Mediterranean islands like Sardinia, Sicily, Crete. Another near Sparta. One in the Levant possibly, and another around Tunis. That's a lot of places, more than there are tea, tobacco, or coffee places. Maybe four possibly even five places would be perfect I think.

I like natural gas too. Here's some interesting data that would help placement.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_natural_gas_fields

so i have to download this svn thing in order to play this? this mod looks good i dont get how i download it though.

Just download it as usual, but when Linkman give a quick update, you can use the SVN to update it, rather than re-download all files..

ah good idea:goodjob:

:thanx: great mod 5 stars

So.... mod's dead? :(

EDIT: If mod isn't dead, here's a bug to report: I just started a game as the Khmer, and I was spawned on a Swamp tile and therefore could not found my first city there.

Additionally, six to seven Terracotta Armies are being finished every turn...

2nd edit: I updated to the latest SVN copy, and the Terracotta stuff doesn't happen anymore. There are a handful of other significant problems however. For example: When civilizations collapse, it appears they literally collapse, and their cities disappear. This was the case for both China and India. All techs have twenty copies of "This can be researched by a Great Person" and a few of the wonders are missing their text keys. I'll report whatever else I find.

The mod is halted until summer break, IIRC :D
No idea when is Summer break, there's no such thing in my country haha

American Summer vacation started two weeks ago, I think it's two or three more weeks in Europe, however. :)

just downloaded hope it plays well :)

too bad theres no native americans to play.

Native Americans are in rfc civs in abundance

Hello linkman?

He hasn't been on for about a month.

No wonder then.. =.="
haha

I'm back! Sorry for the interim... I had a surgery and school summer work and this sort of fell by the wayside. Also there's the fact that I discovered the Total War series... very addicting *must resist urge to start playing*...

In any event, I will resume shortly. Can you guys start listing stuff that was supposed to be fixed (not ADDED)- fixed.

I will reread some of the older posts to refresh my memory as well.

Thank you,

Linkman.

I'm back! Sorry for the interim... I had a surgery and school summer work and this sort of fell by the wayside. Also there's the fact that I discovered the Total War series... very addicting *must resist urge to start playing*...

In any event, I will resume shortly. Can you guys start listing stuff that was supposed to be fixed (not ADDED)- fixed.

I will reread some of the older posts to refresh my memory as well.

Thank you,

Linkman.

You were going to FIX Hawaii by making it not suck ;)
...by adding stuff

whoa.. surgery. it must be really painful ckck
welcome back, btw ;) !

yeah.. FIX Hawaii and their Polynesians neighbor, make it interesting to be settled and colonized :P

Yes, yes, sounds good. Also I remember there was considerable dissent about the whole limited resources thing. Will have to remove that for now.

can u put a option on limited resource i quite like it, maybe it could be altered, say maybe events that can "increase reserves" slower derogation etc.

really enjoying playing this work in progress if i had modding abilities i would of done this along time ago well done.
i have a few suggestions i'll keep them to editing existing (i think) rather than new as requested
A. the old Arabia problem rapid expansion (excellently represents real life in this mod Libya-Samarkand by 680) and rubbish economy (not representing real life) can u start Arabia with a great prophet(Muhammad) witch can build The Masjid Al-Haram, possibly put temple of Solomon in Jerusalem (i know it had been destroyed) the financial benefits might help to make Arabia more playable(the sphinx is not in Cairo?).followed by an independent (can they appear like the celts do?) north Africa Carthage(Tunis after Arab conquest)Tripoli-Marrakesh and Cordoba/Toledo/Valentia rising with Islam/Judaism maybe Christianity maybe with its wonder in Spain which leads to

B when playing as Spain the whole lack of reconquista is disheartening southern Spain should not be included in spawn zone of the original Spanish and the capitol should be Santiago in the north west tip of Iberia. Europe need to crusade what else would we do before oceanic travel and guns lol.

note i have read u may plan to put a cordovan/north African Islamic state at some point which i assume would rectify some of these situations

i think Ethiopia may be to powerful, 1st around the world and Inca/Aztec to boot. maybe that's just my eurocentric imperialism tho lol. or maybe they just had a good game.
Egypt seemed spot on. Phoenicians hard, ended in true fashion exiled from Levant by Persia then my mighty Carthage crushed several centuries later which for me is perfect.

p.s. good luck with project combining all, great idea. as well as other original ideas i have read u discuss, like limited naval travel ect. will be playing. yeah total war is awesome being playing for years got ROME (RTW/RTW:BI/Alexander+ExRM) Medeval2 and Empire between that this no need for crack, not enough time for life.

after more playing as Arabs i change my mind, there is plenty opportunity to put economy well- spiral minaret for one and Alexandria

Did you get Italy spawning from DoC? if so there is a bug that needs fixing.
Nice to see you back as well :D

What bug?

I was planning on merging soon anyways (at which point I would have noticed). But what is it, anyways?

You may want to look in the DoC thread as people there have go into more detail with it than me.
It is something like when Italy spawns and flips cities the game CTD. i think somone said it was caused by the game trying to settle a city on a city.
There is the same problem with the respawn Persians as well i think.

Fantastic! I had the same idea a year ago, and it's good to see it happen.

I don't play vanilla RFC too much anymore, but I'll give it a ty.

I see Linkman is back :D

I'm not getting any religion as Russia. It's 1169, and I even close OB with Asia to try to get Christianity to spread to me.

You may want to look in the DoC thread as people there have go into more detail with it than me.
It is something like when Italy spawns and flips cities the game CTD. i think somone said it was caused by the game trying to settle a city on a city.
There is the same problem with the respawn Persians as well i think.

Cool, I'll patch Synthesis to the latest version of DoC.

EDIT: I see DoC hasn't fixed it. I'll see what I can do.

I'm not getting any religion as Russia. It's 1169, and I even close OB with Asia to try to get Christianity to spread to me.
I don't play Russia very often. Actually, pretty much never. Can someone check if this is typical? The fix is easy and obvious and I'll implement it if I get more similar reports. Or if you can play several such games yourself and see this as a repeating trend.

I don't play Russia very often. Actually, pretty much never. Can someone check if this is typical? The fix is easy and obvious and I'll implement it if I get more similar reports. Or if you can play several such games yourself and see this as a repeating trend.

Yes, I sometimes also have this problem when playing Russia or Britain. I think you should give all Europeans nations christian missionaries to avoid ahistoricity (this only applies for 600 ad).

Sure. I'll spawn a missionary or two around when nations like Russia and Britain traditionally spawned Christianity.

The first non-SVN, official release (v .03) since before my very long break will be later tonight, if fate cooperates. The only major change since the last SVN version will be the removal of decaying resources (for now). If you haven't been keeping the latest version of the SVN, some other stuff:


Fixed Phoenician floating unit bug.

Put the diplomatic victory type back, but removed the cultural victory.

Added Empire State Building

Updated to 1.71 (or was it 1.72? I should keep better notes) of DoC

Miscellaneous text fixes

Manhattan Project now enables nukes only for civs that have built it

Assorted bugfixes

Updated to 1.71 (or was it 1.72? I should keep better notes) of DoC

Are you also going to include the fix for Persia because if u dont the game will crash?


Btw: As you know Leoreth included the Safavids but he hasnt balanced them and hasnt added the UU, UB, UHV so i hope u work on that soon

What would be a good civ to play as if I wanted to take advantage of the new resources? I want to to see how dramatically they change the gameplay.

Sadly finishing tonight has become an impossible dream. The code is simply not cooperating.

I'm too tired, so off to bed. I'll try again tomorrow.

I converted to Theocracy before I got religion. the first time. I reloaded to the start and I got Christianity easily. Sorry...

But the game consistently crashes around 1106 or someime around there.

Yes, the Italy crash. Hopefully I can get a fix for that.

Do u think u will be able to release by today or around 12

Somehow there's a nice history behind the English and Russia hard to get Christianity...
Both of them develop their own version, their own Christianity-like religion, Anglican and Orthodox, different from the Christianity developed in Europe (Catholic) :P
#justajokes #nevermind :P

Any hope of getting the update by the end of the weekend?

Probably not. I was away for the weekend and I just got off the plane a few hours ago. I'm feeling far too tired to try to figure out why my DLL isn't compiling. Sorry guys. Tomorrow, though, I'll restart work.

That's cool, looking forward to it.:goodjob:

on latest svn version while playing as the french i repeatedly crash with the spawn of the dutch (it asks if i would like to play as the Persians as well) also had repetitive crash with the Romans- also just thinking u have previously mentioned various new civs canada ect. to add, could native Americans re spawn as the confederate States might be interesting dynamic for america

Historically, CSA only last for few turns even according to RFC Marathon turns (lesser off course, when counted in RFC turns)..

But I seconded to you, Native shall respawn!

I was thinking like this..
Native colonize the America with Maya, Aztec and Inca..
European come and crush natives homeland
Natives spawn and crush the newly colonized low-guarded european cities in America..
Native still be a major threat for the Modern America
Some American cities flip to independent during Civil war
Native still attack america
so America will have to counter attack both independent (CSA) and the Natives (Apache, etc)

Sounds like a good idea overall, but do the Natives respawn as themselves? Would anything change about them? Other then perhaps a few extra techs to catch them up to the European civs.

P.S. Before all this, add Canada. :P

A few issues:
1) CSA, in Civ terms, had an extremely short life
2) A better solution would be just to increase the instability from coming out of slavery...perhaps especially for America
3) Also, the anarchy feature, for say, two turns, seems more than enough to represent the Civil War. In civ terms, of course.

Did the decaying resources get removed yet? I'm going to make a synthesis story, but want to wait until then ;P

Why is adding or even representing CSA so important. Maybe you guys don't realize but most countries in the world have had civil wars and there is a reason why they aren't represented. Here are some to give u an idea (they aren't all similar but nonetheless are civil wars

France- French Revolution
England- English civil war
Arabia- zanj rebellion, tulinids etc
China- An LusHan rebellion ( 50 mill ppl died), taiping revolt
Russia- Russian civil war

Did the decaying resources get removed yet? I'm going to make a synthesis story, but want to wait until then ;P

A quick run-down of the situation:

Earlier, when i said my DLL was giving me problems, sometime when trying to remove Decaying Resources, I screwed up the code so badly I couldn't figure out why or out to fix it. Being the lazy bum I am, I hadn't backed up my files. So I was about to descend into a fit of hysteria when I realized I has saved some source code a long while ago- dated source code, but code nonetheless. It appears that this source code was from around the time I added Influence Driven War, because I noticed, after the DLL refused to compile again, that only some of the IDW code was in. Adding the rest and removing Decaying Resources, I then allowed (and am allowing) the code to compile. I will release a version tonight (unless I really screw up again). Then I will rely on you guys and my own notes in the SVN to reconstruct the bits and fragments added after IDW. So by running a story, I'd be greatly assisted

As for the multiple crashes you guys are reporting, I'll get to work on that soon.

Why is adding or even representing CSA so important. Maybe you guys don't realize but most countries in the world have had civil wars and there is a reason why they aren't represented. Here are some to give u an idea (they aren't all similar but nonetheless are civil wars

France- French Revolution
England- English civil war
Arabia- zanj rebellion, tulinids etc
China- An LusHan rebellion ( 50 mill ppl died), taiping revolt
Russia- Russian civil war

Precisely. Brilliant.

Yes! I have subdued my DLL and forced it to comply with my wishes! Success!

Release is imminent.

Good news. Everything is done and finished; nothing seems to be buggy. However I'm going to do a few tests just to see what crashes happen, if any. Then a release.

So the release will probably be tomorrow?

Wouldnt it be better if u release and then people can test for u? if its messed up u can always rerelease it or update the svn

Those with SVN's can download it now.

Those without need to wait for WinRar to finish packing it. But in the meanwhile, please enjoy this mod's new official logo. Tell me what you think:

http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/5420/charliecrown.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/827/charliecrown.jpg/)

(Also the new icon for the game when you run it.)

Looking at it now I see the shadow came out bad. Ach.

EDIT: It's Charlemagne's crown, but with a hue shift applied

The link!

http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=16758

So this one is merged with the latest version of DOC right ( downloading now)

Oh geez

I can't believe I forgot to do that.

Getting to it immediately. Shouldn't take long.

Um anyone else with DoC's SVN experiencing this? It won't let you update without a username and password.

Yea, it doesnt let me update it either but dont worry theres not many svns to download anyways.

But on the plus side Leoreth will be back shortly

My guess is he accidentally/ purposely (although why purposely??) turned off the ability for anyone to update it.

To be honest, I don't really like the new logo :P
The colors didn't really match,
but it's not really bad either :P

Honest replies are always nice.

Graphics are not my forte. On that note, it would be nice if someone here who was good at that stuff could design something for us.

What can we expect in the next official version?

So by running a story, I'd be greatly assisted

Awesome! So in that case what would be a good civ to do a story for testing purposes? I was gonna try Russia, but I get the feeling that not a lot has changed for them specifically since DoC, aside from the lessened expansion penalty.

EDIT: China perhaps?

What can we expect in the next official version?

Persia brushup (Unique units and such)+ Islam split. Or at least, that's the plan.

Awesome! So in that case what would be a good civ to do a story for testing purposes? I was gonna try Russia, but I get the feeling that not a lot has changed for them specifically since DoC, aside from the lessened expansion penalty.

EDIT: China perhaps?

I'm looking for playtesters who are willing to take on the job of playtesting these civ groups:

Playtester for W. Europe- linkman226- (America, Portugal, Spain, France, England, Netherlands, Rome, Italy)
E. Europe-____________- (Germany, Vikings, Greece, Russia, Byzantines)
M. East-___________- (Phoenicia, Babylon, Persia (old and new), Arabia, Turkey, Egypt)
SubSahar. Africa- ___________-(Mali, Ethiopia)
E. Asia-______________-(India, Mongolia, China, Khmer, Japan)
New World-______________-(Inca, Aztec, Maya)

Claim whichever slot you'd like, except for W. Europe, which I will do. It'd be nice if we could fill out those slots up there. Oh, and I'll put these positions into the OP.

Persia brushup (Unique units and such)+ Islam split. Or at least, that's the plan.



I'm looking for playtesters who are willing to take on the job of playtesting these civ groups:

Playtester for W. Europe- linkman226- (America, Portugal, Spain, France, England, Netherlands, Rome, Italy)
E. Europe-____________- (Germany, Vikings, Greece, Russia, Byzantines)
M. East-___________- (Phoenicia, Babylon, Persia (old and new), Arabia, Turkey, Egypt)
SubSahar. Africa- ___________-(Mali, Ethiopia)
E. Asia-______________-(India, Mongolia, China, Khmer, Japan)
New World-______________-(Inca, Aztec)

Claim whichever slot you'd like, except for W. Europe, which I will do. It'd be nice if we could fill out those slots up there. Oh, and I'll put these positions into the OP.

Leaving for college in a few weeks, but I'll try to do China at least. Maybe Japan also if I have time. Also whenever I launch version .25, it crashes immediately without even going to the loading screen :C

Really? I experience no such issue. Just double click the shortcut.

Really? I experience no such issue. Just double click the shortcut.

Just kidding, it worked, turns out I ballsed up during the download. Anyway, I'll start testing China as soon as possible!

I shall do the new worlders.

Maya missing from the new worlders?

I'm trying to update this mod via SVN, but everytime I try and update it, this error message pops up...

Can't open file 'C:\Program Files (x86)\2K Games\Firaxis Games\Sid Meier's Civilization 4 Complete\Beyond the Sword\Mods\RFC Synthesis\.svn\lock': Access is denied

Can anyone else confirm this?

I'll do the Turks, new Persian, Arabs and the Byzies

I updated using the SVN fine.

On that note, it would be nice if someone here who was good at that stuff could design something for us.

Rather than designing the whole logo, I'll suggest fixing that one..
Personally, I'll recommend you out of the over-hue.. since blue crown is really strange, IMO :)
And rather than using text to write SYNTHESIS, I'd suggest you use some alphabet image that available everywhere in Google :)


Persia brushup (Unique units and such)+ Islam split. Or at least, that's the plan.



I'm looking for playtesters who are willing to take on the job of playtesting these civ groups:

Playtester for W. Europe- linkman226- (America, Portugal, Spain, France, England, Netherlands, Rome, Italy)
E. Europe-____________- (Germany, Vikings, Greece, Russia, Byzantines)
M. East-___________- (Phoenicia, Babylon, Persia (old and new), Arabia, Turkey, Egypt)
SubSahar. Africa- ___________-(Mali, Ethiopia)
E. Asia-______________-(India, Mongolia, China, Khmer, Japan)
New World-______________-(Inca, Aztec)

Claim whichever slot you'd like, except for W. Europe, which I will do. It'd be nice if we could fill out those slots up there. Oh, and I'll put these positions into the OP.


I think I'll be taking E.Asia, or Sub Sahara :)
I'll confirm to this soon..

I'm trying to update this mod via SVN, but everytime I try and update it, this error message pops up...

Can't open file 'C:\Program Files (x86)\2K Games\Firaxis Games\Sid Meier's Civilization 4 Complete\Beyond the Sword\Mods\RFC Synthesis\.svn\lock': Access is denied

Some googling reveals this is because of file privileges. Are you the computer's admin? Do you have a vista?

Yes I am an admin, though there is one more admin on the computer besides me. No, I do not have a vista, I got Windows 7, I believe.

Maya missing from the new worlders?

Will fix this. Sorry I didn't respond earlier- I was away and typing stuff on my phone is a .

Yes I am an admin, though there is one more admin on the computer besides me. No, I do not have a vista, I got Windows 7, I believe.

Ok do this:


Close all programs so that you are at your desktop.
Go to your control panel.
When the control panel opens you change it so you are using Category view (if it's not like that already, which it should be on Windows 7 unless you changed it).
Click on the Appearance and Personalization link.
Under the Folder Options category, click on Show Hidden Files or Folders.
Under the Hidden files and folders section select the radio button labeled Show hidden files, folders, or drives.
Remove the checkmark from the checkbox labeled Hide extensions for known file types.
Remove the checkmark from the checkbox labeled Hide protected operating system files (Recommended).
Press the Apply button and then the OK button..
Now Windows 7 is configured to show all hidden files.


Now that that's done, go to your Synthesis folder. Find the folder called '.svn'. Go to the security tab and make sure that your account has full permissions on this file.

Also, here are the new playtester categories:

Playtester for W. Europe- linkman226- (America, Portugal, Spain, France, England, Netherlands, Italy)
E. Europe-NEEDED- (Germany, Vikings, Russia)
Classical Old World- NEEDED- (Phoenicia, Babylon, Achaemenid ("old") Persia, Egypt, Rome, Greece)
M. East-J. Pride- (Safavid ("new") Persia, Arabia, Turkey, Byzantines)
SubSahar. Africa-NEEDED-(Mali, Ethiopia)
E. Asia-NEEDED-(India, Mongolia, China, Khmer, Japan)
New World-hoplitejoe-(Inca, Aztec, Maya)

What are we play-testing for, if I may inquire?

Bugs and balance.

Mkay. I'll do Eastern Europe, then.

You want us to play till victory or further?

Till victory. Although if you could mix and match victory types, that'd be nice (since most UHV's end (relatively) early.

Also in the next version: the latest version of DoC, since Leoreth's back.

Thank you so much, Linkman! Everything worked to perfection.

The mod is excellent, as always.

I can do SubSahar

Thank you so much, Linkman! Everything worked to perfection.

The mod is excellent, as always.

Haha, thank you. But if I have seen further, it is because I stand on the shoulders of giants (to paraphrase Newton).

And that's the inherent nature of this mod.

I can do SubSahar

Cool, thanks Yoshi

Was playing as Vikings; just crashed a couple turns after the Persian respawn. :/

Was playing as Vikings; just crashed a couple turns after the Persian respawn. :/

This is fixed in the latest version of DoC, I believe :)

So it'll be in the next version

Also, how does the following setup for the Safavids look (a SYNTHESIS of multiple posts in this thread and the civfanatics forums, but mostly from Krug and J. pride, as well as veBear):

Name: Safavids/Qajar/Iran

Leader: (Ismail I|Until 1742)(1742–1941: Mohammad Khan Qajar)(1941-:Mohammad Reza Shah Pahlavi)(If Government is Theocratic: Ruhollah Khomeini) (may change depending on availability of leaderheads and my own willingness to learn how to skin LH's)

UU = Qizilbash (Musketman) – 70 hammers (10 less than for a musketman)

Starts with City Raider I
10 attack (1 more than for a musketman)


UB: Caravanserai (+5% commerce from silk, cotton, horses, spice, coffee, and sugar)

UP: The Power of Trade- +2 trade routes in all cities

UHV:

Have Open Borders with 6 European Nations in 1650 AD
Make Shi'ite Islam the only Religion in Iran in 1700 AD
Make Persia the most cultured nation in the Middle East, and Indian Subcontinent in 1700 AD (later, after corporation reform: Found (Oil Company) and Spread it to 70% of the World)

Preferred Civic: (Shahs- Absolutism, Khomeini- Theocracy)
Start: 1501 AD

I'd do E. Asia or Classical Old World, but I'm not good enough to win a bunch of different victories. I will report bugs and give feedback as I play.

Looks good, although I happen to find that most of the Middle East and Indian Subcontinent are made up of mostly indies/barbs around that time.

I'd do E. Asia or Classical Old World, but I'm not good enough to win a bunch of different victories. I will report bugs and give feedback as I play.

Looks good, although I happen to find that most of the Middle East and Indian Subcontinent are made up of mostly indies/barbs around that time.

Uh... then make Esfahan the most cultured city in the world? Any other suggestions, folks?

Also, dynamic names:

The Iranians (default name)
Qizilbashi Peoples? Parsi Peoples? Anyone have other ideas? (before you found any cities)
Royal Dynasty of Iran (Monarchy+Absolutism)
Republic of Iran (Monarchy + Representation, Republic + Representation or Parlimentarianism)
Imperial State of Iran (Monarchy+Parlimentarianism)
Iranian Socialist Republic (State Property)
Islamic Republic of Iran (Islam+Theocracy+Absolutism or Islam+Theocracy+Totalitarianism)
Province of Parthia (vassal to Rome)
Caliphate of Fars (vassal to Arabia)
Viceroyalty of Persia (vassal to Spain)
French Mandate of Persia (vassal to France)
English Mandate of Persia (vassal to England)
German Persia (vassal of late Germany)
Soviet Gilan (vassal of late Russia)
Ilkhanate of Persia (vassal of Mongolia)
Eyalet of Sharazor (vassal of the Turkey)
Tributary Anxi State (vassal of Khmer, China or Japan)
Protectorate of Persia (generic vassal name)

I have ideas but to implement these uhvs u need to add Shia Islam and a couple of Safavid/Shiite wonders from SOi

UHV: Control Mesopotamia, Iran, Central Asia and Pakistan (area around the Indus) and spread Shiite Islam to these lands (remove Sunni Islam too) by x date

Build the Imam ali mosque, Taj Mahal, Imam hussain mosque (I think All of them are present In SOi but u can switch these for any others 3 Persian architectural wonders)

Build 5 Shiite grand mosques by x date.

Make Esfahan the most cultured city.

Pick any 3 u like

UP: The Power of Persecution: Non State religion are removed from a conquered city, their buildings become Shiite but are disabled Shiite Islam spreads to the city.
Or: Shia missionaries spread Shia minaret and Shia monastery along with converting a city.


Btw: Shiite Islam was fromed in the very early days of Islam but for gameplay reasons I would found it in 1490s in either Baghdad or sihraz. The Safavids should start with three Shiite missionaries and the religion should auto spread to all cities in Mesopotamia, Yeman and Syria. Other than that u should keep the spread rate very very low.

In SoI pressing control shows you where provinces are and if they are stable. Would it be possible to use this sort of thing to show areas for UHV's? It would make it a lot easier to judge what counts as Brazil for the Inca UHV for example.

In SoI pressing control shows you where provinces are and if they are stable. Would it be possible to use this sort of thing to show areas for UHV's? It would make it a lot easier to judge what counts as Brazil for the Inca UHV for example.

For unmodmodded RFC, there was this (http://rhye.civfanatics.net/civ4/rfc-atlas.htm).

In-game, I think it is possible to do this, but youll have to ask Linkman.

Sorry double post but I can playtest wha is left.

J. Pride, my comments are in red:

I have ideas but to implement these uhvs u need to add Shia Islam and a couple of Safavid/Shiite wonders from SOi

I was planning on it.

UHV: Control Mesopotamia, Iran, Central Asia and Pakistan (area around the Indus) and spread Shiite Islam to these lands (remove Sunni Islam too) by x date

Ahistorical much? Although that doesn't bar it from inclusion, it certainly makes it less likely

Build the Imam ali mosque, Taj Mahal, Imam hussain mosque (I think All of them are present In SOi but u can switch these for any others 3 Persian architectural wonders)

This one's good.

Build 5 Shiite grand mosques by x date.

You'd need fifteen cities for this.

Make Esfahan the most cultured city.

Also a good one.

Pick any 3 u like

UP: The Power of Persecution: Non State religion are removed from a conquered city, their buildings become Shiite but are disabled Shiite Islam spreads to the city.
Or: Shia missionaries spread Shia minaret and Shia monastery along with converting a city.

Too much like the Arab UP. Also it's make removing Sunni Islam and achieving that UHV far too easy.


Btw: Shiite Islam was fromed in the very early days of Islam but for gameplay reasons I would found it in 1490s in either Baghdad or sihraz. The Safavids should start with three Shiite missionaries and the religion should auto spread to all cities in Mesopotamia, Yeman and Syria. Other than that u should keep the spread rate very very low.

I'd prefer too add it not long after Arabia spawns but keep the spread rate even lower.


In SoI pressing control shows you where provinces are and if they are stable. Would it be possible to use this sort of thing to show areas for UHV's? It would make it a lot easier to judge what counts as Brazil for the Inca UHV for example.

Yes, but I couldn't with my current level of coding skill. When I improve, sure/

For unmodmodded RFC, there was this (http://rhye.civfanatics.net/civ4/rfc-atlas.htm).

In-game, I think it is possible to do this, but youll have to ask Linkman.

It hasn't changed much from this atlas.

Sorry double post but I can playtest wha is left.

Sure, see here for what's left.

Ahistorical much? Although that doesn't bar it from inclusion, it certainly makes it less likely

Are u kidding?

Let me rephrase that, I was in a hurry so maybe I didnt explain myself correctly or perhaps gave u the wrong expression.

UHV:
1) Control Mesopotamia, Iran, Afghanistan, Balochistan, Central Asia, Azerbaijan in x year.

Reason: To represent Nadir Shah's conquests and the accomplishments of the Asfhairid dynasty. Actually most of these territories were already conquered by the Safavids pretty early on in they 14th century. The only area that the Safavid did not control were Northern Central Asia and Eastern Afghanistan.
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thats what it would look like on the map:

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2) Make Shia Islam the only religion in your land (no other religions should be present). Explanation at the end

3) Build the Imam ali mosque, Taj Mahal, Imam hussain mosque (I think All of them are present In SOi but u can switch these for any others 3 Persian architectural wonders)

UP: The Power of Persecution: Religious Persecutors have some kind of added advantage; maybe troops (Qizilbash) or religous buildings.

OR

The Power of Piety: Shia Missionaries spread religous buildings or troops (Qizilbash)

The reason im stressing Shiite Islam is because the spread of Shiite Islam was the Safavids most important influence on the world. Before the Safavids, Iran used to be Sunni nation and it was the Safavids that transformed into a Shiite one. Their accomplishment of converting a whole nation in a matter of decades is one of amazement and one that will continue to define Iran and its relation to the world.

Comments in red.

Are u kidding?

Let me rephrase that, I was in a hurry so maybe I didnt explain myself correctly or perhaps gave u the wrong expression.

UHV:
1) Control Mesopotamia, Iran, Afghanistan, Balochistan, Central Asia, Azerbaijan in x year.

Oh, ok. Much better. I thought you meant the whole of Central Asia. Of course, there's another major problem with this. Which is that the Safavids spawn with nearly the entire area you had on that map.

Reason: To represent Nadir Shah's conquests and the accomplishments of the Asfhairid dynasty. Actually most of these territories were already conquered by the Safavids pretty early on in they 14th century. The only area that the Safavid did not control were Northern Central Asia and Eastern Afghanistan.
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thats what it would look like on the map:

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2) Make Shia Islam the only religion in your land (no other religions should be present). Explanation at the end

I guess this is good. As I said, earlier, this was my UHV plan, see number two on my list:

Have Open Borders with 6 European Nations in 1650 AD
Make Shi'ite Islam the only Religion in Iran in 1700 AD
Make Persia the most cultured nation in the Middle East, and Indian Subcontinent in 1700 AD (later, after corporation reform: Found (Oil Company) and Spread it to 70% of the World)


3) Build the Imam ali mosque, Taj Mahal, Imam hussain mosque (I think All of them are present In SOi but u can switch these for any others 3 Persian architectural wonders)

You are aware that the Safavid rebirth is not just the Safavids; it represents Iran from 1501 to the present day. So it makes more sense to add at least one UHV that's more modern- such as the oil company one. However I'd still like to represent the extent of Persian trade with Europe. I don't think this'll make it in.

Also, what's up with the Taj Mahal being on that list? Mughals built it.

UP: The Power of Persecution: Religious Persecutors have some kind of added advantage; maybe troops (Qizilbash) or religous buildings.

OR

The Power of Piety: Shia Missionaries spread religous buildings or troops (Qizilbash)

The reason im stressing Shiite Islam is because the spread of Shiite Islam was the Safavids most important influence on the world. Before the Safavids, Iran used to be Sunni nation and it was the Safavids that transformed into a Shiite one. Their accomplishment of converting a whole nation in a matter of decades is one of amazement and one that will continue to define Iran and its relation to the world.

They were also very much known for their trade. Out of curiosity, what religious denomination are you?

Oh, ok. Much better. I thought you meant the whole of Central Asia. Of course, there's another major problem with this. Which is that the Safavids spawn with nearly the entire area you had on that map.

I understand what ur saying. For this Uhv to work the Safavids have to be sandwiched between the Mughals, Uzbeks and the Ottomans. And since the game has no Mughals and the Ottomans dont control Mesopotamia half the time, this uhv wont work. But if u do put in the Mughals later on u should consider this uhv but for now i like these two:

1)Have Open Borders with 6 European Nations in 1650 AD
2)Make Shi'ite Islam the only Religion in Iran in 1700 AD
3) Which one are u doing culture or oil company?
You are aware that the Safavid rebirth is not just the Safavids; it represents Iran from 1501 to the present day. So it makes more sense to add at least one UHV that's more modern- such as the oil company one. However I'd still like to represent the extent of Persian trade with Europe. I don't think this'll make it in.

Also, what's up with the Taj Mahal being on that list? Mughals built it.

A modern Uhv for Oil Company is good considering the oil reserve of the country. The reason i put the Taj Mahal was because since i couldnt think of any other Persian wonders in the game, i put the next closest thing i could think of: an example of (Indo)-Persian architecture

They were also very much known for their trade.

I was primarily thinking of the Safavids when I thought of the UP (more info on wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safavid_conversion_of_Iran_from_Sunnism_to_Shiism) but if for gameplay reason trade seems better than than can work too.

Out of curiosity, what religious denomination are you?
Sunni

I don't know if my computer sucks or if this is a legitimate bug. Whenever I choose America on a 3000 BC start, it crashes around sixty turns before I spawn. But when I played as Persia on a 3000 BC start, it didn't crash throughout the whole game.

I can playtest Classical Old World

J. Pride, comments in red:

I understand what ur saying. For this Uhv to work the Safavids have to be sandwiched between the Mughals, Uzbeks and the Ottomans. And since the game has no Mughals and the Ottomans dont control Mesopotamia half the time, this uhv wont work. But if u do put in the Mughals later on u should consider this uhv but for now i like these two:

1)Have Open Borders with 6 European Nations in 1650 AD
2)Make Shi'ite Islam the only Religion in Iran in 1700 AD
3) Which one are u doing culture or oil company? Probably culture for this update, and then, when I revise corporations, oil company. As of right now oil company is nonexistent.


A modern Uhv for Oil Company is good considering the oil reserve of the country. The reason i put the Taj Mahal was because since i couldnt think of any other Persian wonders in the game, i put the next closest thing i could think of: an example of (Indo)-Persian architecture

Ya, makes sense.

I was primarily thinking of the Safavids when I thought of the UP (more info on wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safavid_conversion_of_Iran_from_Sunnism_to_Shiism) but if for gameplay reason trade seems better than than can work too.

I can do both. Your suggestions for the UHV's above seem spot-on.

Sunni

I don't know if my computer sucks or if this is a legitimate bug. Whenever I choose America on a 3000 BC start, it crashes around sixty turns before I spawn. But when I played as Persia on a 3000 BC start, it didn't crash throughout the whole game.

Ya I noticed this. The respawn crash, inherited from DoC, I believe. It is fixed in the latest version of DoC, so when I make my next release this should be fixed.

I can playtest Classical Old World

Cool, thanks

Hey guys. My work on the Safavids would be greatly hastened with some help from you guys. If you guys could get the following, I'd be very happy and the release would be sooner:

1) Great People names for Safavids- include Safavids, Zands, Qajars, Pahlavi dynasty, etc.- Iran from 1501 to the present day.

2) City names- Do this: Start a 3000BC game as Egypt. Use cheats to uncover the map. Then use those signs to give different tiles city names. Each city can cover up to two spaces. Save the map and post it here.

Thanks!

Ill do the city names, Just tell me which areas should i cover besides Persia

For the settler names I'd need Persia, Iraq, Central Asia north to the Syr Darya, eastwards across Afghanistan and Pakistan till Delhi, Anatolia, westwards across North Africa till Tunis, and Armenia and the Caucasus. Or as much of that as you can get.

Do you speak/read Farsi? I'm wondering if you could transliterate Farsi if I gave you text in that language.

I checked the Persian settler map and it turns out that it is almost perfect. I suspect that Leoreth pasted the Arabian city map and since most city names are the same for the Persians and the Arabs only minor changes are needed. These are the corrections i made:

Baku was not included in the Caucuses ( i advise u remove Rasht for Tabriz although i havnt done it):

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The map around Afghanistan was really messed up; Heres a re revised version:

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(The names arent exactly correct; i didnt put in the commas on top for some cities)

I checked the Persian settler map and it turns out that it is almost perfect. I suspect that Leoreth pasted the Arabian city map and since most city names are the same for the Persians and the Arabs only minor changes are needed. These are the corrections i made:

Baku was not included in the Caucuses ( i abvise u remove Rasht for Tabriz although i havnt done it):

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The map around Afghanistan was really messed up; Heres a re revised version:

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(The names arent exactly correct; i didnt put in the commas on top for some cities)

I noticed there isn't a Mazar-a-Sharif...

Mazare-sharif is supposed to be on top of the mountain (above Kabul and Bamiyan); currently Mazare-Sharif is not on the map due to its proximity to Balkh (20 Km). If u guys want i can changes Balkh to Mazare-Sharif (or have them both side by side)


Do you speak/read Farsi? I'm wondering if you could transliterate Farsi if I gave you text in that language.

PM me and ill see what i can do

Thanks for the maps. What do you guys think of making the Qizilbash require Shi'a islam to build?

Also I'm modifying the Qizilbash a bit:

UU = Qizilbash (Maceman) – 60 hammers (10 less than for a musketman)
Starts with City Raider I
Ignores terrain cost
9 attack (1 more than for a maceman)

That looks a little over powered to me. A lower price, upgrade, ignoring movement costs AND extra strength seems way to much.

Oh I forgot to mention, the standard bonus against melee that macemen have.

The thing is that this is the age of gunpowder. Macemen are facing extinction. That's the reason I'm giving them these boosts. How else are they to stave off the Janissary hordes to the west?

If it becomes TOO overpowered, I'll drop the no terrain cost bonus I guess. I'd have to play it out.

Also, does anyone wanna do those Great People lists?

Ill try to do part of the great people's list

BTW: will u be updating the Civs in Abundance files.

Yes, soon.

Also, does anyone wanna do those Great People lists?

Which civs do you want done?

Iran, of course. I got some already, but whatever you can provide would help

If you do stick Abundance civs in I would not bother with the Sumer Civ and keep Babylon how it is. the way Jakov had it never really worked.

http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/1/civ4screenshot0200.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/594/civ4screenshot0200.jpg/)

1180 AD and no christianity. :confused:

I don't know if it's me but when I play England/Russia/Spain/Portugal I've always problem with religion spread ! :(

Maybe I should add missionaries in this RFC too.

If you do stick Abundance civs in I would not bother with the Sumer Civ and keep Babylon how it is. the way Jakov had it never really worked.

About Abundance (I know we are getting a bit ahead here) but I would recommend this:

1. Add Holy Rome and move the German spawn to early 1700s. Holy Rome could turn into Habsburg Austria in the late-game.

2. Add Native America as a civ (they could respawn as Canada if they collapse/ get conquered)

3. Add Korea, they deserve more

4. The rest is up to you, I would not recommend adding the Zulus or Sumerian though (although, we could have the Sumerians be Assyria or Hatti, but I really dont see how that would work)

Spain should start with Catholicism, the Archdiocese of Santiago for example was refounded in 739

Spain seems to lack a preplaced city with Christianity. Santiago would almost offer itself since the AI likes the spot and it's historical.

Santiago is also a decent city spot

Play testing feed back. Played The inca from 3000BC, normal speed and the maya epic speed both to a historic victory.
http://i.imgur.com/2pwUr.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Pc8KI.jpg

Some odd stuff.
When turkey spawned in my maya game the troops just sat there for about 100 years
http://i.imgur.com/cnqS7.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/jQzsu.jpg

They eventually settled but ages after their spawn

I never researched BW, i was just choosing a tech, moved my mouse over it and it was already basically done.
http://i.imgur.com/APSZ7.jpg

You can really wonder spam as the new worlders cos there are always loads of wonders left from the European civs not staying on Parthenon long enough.

About Civs in Abundance, I totally agree that the sumerians shouldn't be there, they're not fun to play. I had once suggested using them as an Israelite civ (perhaps with a one city challenge game?), and I still think that would be a very interesting game.
But please do add the Native Americans, the HRE (turning into Austria), the Koreans, the Zulu and the Celts. They add a lot of content to the game.
Congratulations on the great work so far ;).

Is VD already in this or will it be implemented at a later date?

Can we not make this into Kitchen Sink mod; the only civ there that would be useful to put in are the Austrians.

Can we not make this into Kitchen Sink mod; the only civ there that would be useful to put in are the Austrians.

J. Pride, what is for you all that "kitchen sink" content?

http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/1/civ4screenshot0200.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/594/civ4screenshot0200.jpg/)

1180 AD and no christianity. :confused:

I don't know if it's me but when I play England/Russia/Spain/Portugal I've always problem with religion spread ! :(

Maybe I should add missionaries in this RFC too.

I usually don't see this with Spain (then again, I haven't played in a while. Too busy modding :lol:). But the other ones are what I call the "extremity civilizations." They are on the edges of Europe, and in the case of Portugal, the Vikings, and England, have
access to trade with faraway Muslim places, so frequently they end up with no religion or Islam. Hopefully a Christian missionary and Santiago will fix this.

About Abundance (I know we are getting a bit ahead here) but I would recommend this:

1. Add Holy Rome and move the German spawn to early 1700s. Holy Rome could turn into Habsburg Austria in the late-game.

2. Add Native America as a civ (they could respawn as Canada if they collapse/ get conquered)

3. Add Korea, they deserve more

4. The rest is up to you, I would not recommend adding the Zulus or Sumerian though (although, we could have the Sumerians be Assyria or Hatti, but I really dont see how that would work)

1) Just Austria

2) No. They were never an actual civilization with the level of distribution of labor or the ability to raise large armies.

3)In the SVN, imported from DoC. For the moment, I've blocked people from downloading the latest version, though, because the current version is rather buggy.

4)I agree.

Spain should start with Catholicism, the Archdiocese of Santiago for example was refounded in 739

Yes

Spain seems to lack a preplaced city with Christianity. Santiago would almost offer itself since the AI likes the spot and it's historical.

Yup

Santiago is also a decent city spot

Indeed

Play testing feed back. Played The inca from 3000BC, normal speed and the maya epic speed both to a historic victory.
http://i.imgur.com/2pwUr.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Pc8KI.jpg

Some odd stuff.
When turkey spawned in my maya game the troops just sat there for about 100 years
http://i.imgur.com/cnqS7.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/jQzsu.jpg

They eventually settled but ages after their spawn

I never researched BW, i was just choosing a tech, moved my mouse over it and it was already basically done.
http://i.imgur.com/APSZ7.jpg

You can really wonder spam as the new worlders cos there are always loads of wonders left from the European civs not staying on Parthenon long enough.

1) The Turkey thing has to do with the fact that they no longer spawn with settlers... since Byzantium was razed they sort of dawdle around. This could be fixed by 1) Decreasing the rate at which Byzantium is razed; and 2) Giving Turkey settlers on the Byzantium tile if Byzantium is razed.

2) I honestly have no clue why that happened. Leoreth or any one else, any ideas?

3)Adding Hellenism to the Old World and making THAT a prereq for those wonders rather than the civic of paganism would fix that.

About Civs in Abundance, I totally agree that the sumerians shouldn't be there, they're not fun to play. I had once suggested using them as an Israelite civ (perhaps with a one city challenge game?), and I still think that would be a very interesting game.
But please do add the Native Americans, the HRE (turning into Austria), the Koreans, the Zulu and the Celts. They add a lot of content to the game.
Congratulations on the great work so far ;).

Israel's far too minor of a civ.
Native Americans is a terrible idea. HRE- Yes. On the German spawn they'll become Austria-Hungary. Koreans are in. Zulu- no, same reason as Native Americans. Celts- also the same reason- they were never a civ per se.

When I look to add a civ as playable by humans I consider the following:

1) Were they ever organized under one state with the ability to field armies and actually do stuff? If yes proceed to step 2; else, break;

2) Did they last for at least several hundred years and have a significant impact on society? If yes, proceed to step 3; else, break;

3) Is there a group of peoples not already in the game more deserving of inclusion when the performance decrease caused by adding civs is taken into account? If no, synthesis.addCiv(iCiv); else, break;

Is VD already in this or will it be implemented at a later date?

Will be added

Can we not make this into Kitchen Sink mod; the only civ there that would be useful to put in are the Austrians.

Agreed

J. Pride, what is for you all that "kitchen sink" content?

When we add civs that were highly heterogeneous, like the Native Americans or even the Celts, merely for the sake of adding them.

J. Pride, what is for you all that "kitchen sink" content?

With due respect, I dont think civs like Native Americans, Sumer or Israel belong in this mod.

With due respect, I dont think civs like Native Americans, Sumer or Israel belong in this mod.

Well, I think that who belongs or doesn't in a mod is for the modder to decide. I was simply suggesting Linkman added them, but in any case, he agrees with you, so that's that.


Israel's far too minor of a civ.
Native Americans is a terrible idea. HRE- Yes. On the German spawn they'll become Austria-Hungary. Koreans are in. Zulu- no, same reason as Native Americans. Celts- also the same reason- they were never a civ per se.

When I look to add a civ as playable by humans I consider the following:

1) Were they ever organized under one state with the ability to field armies and actually do stuff? If yes proceed to step 2; else, break;

2) Did they last for at least several hundred years and have a significant impact on society? If yes, proceed to step 3; else, break;

3) Is there a group of peoples not already in the game more deserving of inclusion when the performance decrease caused by adding civs is taken into account? If yes, synthesis.addCiv(iCiv); else, break;
...

When we add civs that were highly heterogeneous, like the Native Americans or even the Celts, merely for the sake of adding them.

Thanks for the reply. I think that playing those civs, as heterogenous and not unified as they were, is fun to do, but this is your mod so this is totally up to you. After Iran, are you considering adding any others?

And by the way, shouldn't that last if, be a no?

I agree. I could see Israel as an unplayable "Civs in Abundance" style "flavored independent" to control Yerushalayim, though.

But, another idea of mine was that we use these etra civs simply as a base for other civs. ie: NA as Canada. I am all for having Canada in Synthesis, so that US can wipe them out every turn.

Other news: played v.25 Babylon to UHV, have not tested other civs so far.

Why Canada?

2) Did they last for at least several hundred years and have a significant impact on society? If yes, proceed to step 3; else, break;

@Linkman nice work, man on the Persian! A little suggestion that Iran call themselves Aryan peoples rather than Qizilbash peoples? ^^v

@Everybody else
IMHO I'll prefer adding Austria from the HRE Split of Austria & Prussia that Leoreth's going to work in DoC, rather than adding them from CiA, it sounds more interesting ^^v

Linkman, How are the Persian coming along? (Ill porbably try to make a Gpeople list by tomorrow and also work on the Euro Cities)


I was playing as the Ottomans; here are few observations:

-Arabia is still alive most of the times; there should some mechanic which should make the Arabs collapse. Consider adding Seljuk barbs and even make the Arab's Persian and Egyptian territories more likely to revolt.
-Byzantines expansion into Crimea is way overblown; they usually have 2 cities there and one of them is not even in they citymanager map.
-The Ottomans flip Caucasus which is unhistorical especially since Azerbaijan is one of the core provinces of the Safavids.
-Lastly, Can you please consider adding Damascus and have it flip to the Ottomans . This way Ai Turkey will be more willing to expand into the Middle East and thus come into conflicts with Persia.

They're doing great, you know, aside from the fact that for some bizarre reason they sometimes won't spawn and my damn DLL isn't compiling

EDIT: JUST COMPILED

Now to see if that fixed things

I always wonder what tiles best to place Damascus into..
It always interesting ;)

Most of the time, the city original tiles is crapped by Yerushalayim, Sur, Babylon (or Baghdad) and the 3x3 Grid rule..

Comments in red, guys.


Thanks for the reply. I think that playing those civs, as heterogenous and not unified as they were, is fun to do, but this is your mod so this is totally up to you. After Iran, are you considering adding any others?

I can understand that. I disagree, but I can understand if you feel that way. But there's always CiA for that.

And by the way, shouldn't that last if, be a no?

Oh yes :lol: To be fixed

I agree. I could see Israel as an unplayable "Civs in Abundance" style "flavored independent" to control Yerushalayim, though.

Yes, I was planning on that eventually

But, another idea of mine was that we use these etra civs simply as a base for other civs. ie: NA as Canada. I am all for having Canada in Synthesis, so that US can wipe them out every turn.

Other news: played v.25 Babylon to UHV, have not tested other civs so far.

We could add Canada just as well without running the risk of creating an ahistorical Native American empire and hedging in the Americans.

Why Canada?

Good point.

@Linkman nice work, man on the Persian! A little suggestion that Iran call themselves Aryan peoples rather than Qizilbash peoples? ^^v

I've changed them to "Safaviyya Peoples" for now.
@Everybody else

IMHO I'll prefer adding Austria from the HRE Split of Austria & Prussia that Leoreth's going to work in DoC, rather than adding them from CiA, it sounds more interesting ^^v

That's a decent point.


Linkman, How are the Persian coming along? (Ill porbably try to make a Gpeople list by tomorrow and also work on the Euro Cities)

Cool. I already gave them a rudimentary GP list, but it's lacking. Too many people from modern times.

On a related note, I found out the creator of eBay is Iranian while doing Great Merchant name research.

I was playing as the Ottomans; here are few observations:

-Arabia is still alive most of the times; there should some mechanic which should make the Arabs collapse. Consider adding Seljuk barbs and even make the Arab's Persian and Egyptian territories more likely to revolt.

Good idea. Also in the latest SVN copy of DoC is the mongol hordes feature, which might help.

-Byzantines expansion into Crimea is way overblown; they usually have 2 cities there and one of them is not even in they citymanager map.

Ok, I'll look into this.

-The Ottomans flip Caucasus which is unhistorical especially since Azerbaijan is one of the core provinces of the Safavids.

I believe the reason this was done was because Turkey expands too slow otherwise. That's why they spawn with a territory many times larger than what they had in real life at the time. But I'll consider it.

-Lastly, Can you please consider adding Damascus and have it flip to the Ottomans . This way Ai Turkey will be more willing to expand into the Middle East and thus come into conflicts with Persia.

From my experience it almost always conquers Persia anyways in regular RFC or pre-Safavid DoC because of the lack of a barrier. There should be an element of conflict already. However there's historical reasons for adding Damascus (rather than Aleppo) too. Anyone have anything else to comment on this?

the Ottoman strength usually depends on whether or not the Arabs collapse or if Persia still exists so you really cannot do a whole lot about it. The other problem I can see with adding Damascus/Aleppo is that you are cramming another city into an area where there is not much space to begin with.

I really agreed to add Damascus, as long as it's fit enough there...
I was thinking it could be at (74,39) or (74,38), if Jerusalem is razed...
But if it isn't, it'll violate the rule of 3x3 Grid..

Adding them to (74,40) also a bad idea if Tyre still alive..

And by the way,
I think Italia should spawn earlier in 774 in the northern Italy.. [Kingdom of Italy]
Rome as Independent (Papal State), could be given 1000% Fortification to make sure it didn't caught early / flip only because of culture..

I was also thinking for some mechanism that could work as alternative if somebody asked for Sumerian..
just like Holy Roman Empire > Austria + New : Germany,
Sumeria > Babylonia + New : Assyria (really historical)

And we should decrease the rate of Vienna (Wien) being razed...

Some great people (If haven't been added yet :P ):

Great Artist

Reza Abbasi
Mohammad-Taqi Bahar
Dariush Eghbali
Gholam-Hossein Banan
Sima Bina
Delkash
Hossein Khaje Amiri
Mirza Abdollah Farahani
Morteza Hannaneh
Kayhan Kalhor
Kamkarha
Ruhollah Khaleghi
Mohammad Reza Lotfi
Javad Maroofi
Marzieh
Mohammad Mousavi
Mohsen Namjoo
Shahram Nazeri
Parisa
Abolhasan Saba
Mohammad Shams
Homayoun Shajarian
Mohammad-Reza Shajarian
Hossein Tehrani
Alinaghi Vaziri
Parviz Yahaghi
Jalal Zolfonun
Mahmoud Zoulfonoun
Zyriab
Parviz Meshkatian
Axiom of Choice
Farhad Fakhreddini
Morteza Hannaneh
Zohreh Jooya
Ahmad Pejman
Ramin Rahimi

Great General

Abu Muslim Leader of the Persian upraising against Arabs.
Babak Khorram Din Leader of the Persian upraising against Arabs
Bozorgmehr Sage and Grand Vizier of Sasanids.
Amir-Kabir Grand Vizier.
Dr Talequani Heshmat Jangali leader and ally of Mirza Kuchek Khan.
Bagher Khan constitutionalist leader
Hosein Dadgar parliament speaker.
Ghaem Magham Farahani, prime minister
Abdol Hossein Mirza Farmanfarma, prime minister, multiple other roles.
Hassan-e-Sabbah, sectarian political leader.
Kaveh the Blacksmith, Legendary Leader and Liberator against the rule of Zahhak, an Arab king.
Maziar son of Karan,Leader of the Persian upraising against Arabs.
Mirza Kuchek Khan, constitutionalist leader of Guilan.
Mirza Reza Kermani, assassinated Nasereddin Shah.
Mohammad Khiabani, popular leader during Constitutionalist Revolution.
Mostowfi ol-Mamalek, Prime Minister.
Fazlollah Noori, conservative clergy opposing Constitunalists, hanged.
Nosrat Dowleh Firouz Mirza, provincial governor.
Colonel Pesian
Mahmud Khan Puladeen, senior military general.
Safi-ad-din Ardabili, Spiritual founder of Safavid dynasty.
Sattar Khan, constitutionalist leader.
Mirza Mehdi Khan Astarabadi, Nader Shah's Chief Minister.

In BOLD : Actually lived under Safavid reign

*Too lazy to italic or to research more :P
*Sorry if all of them already on the list

Great persons should really be between 4-8 or else you would see only the first ones anyway. The hard part of coming up with GP is often not to find the names, but to filter out the most significant ones.

Thank you, Ben, but I was only looking for 1501 onwards.

I dont think Damascus should be preplaced in 3000 Ad but here is my plan for 600 ad :

-Remove Antioch and add Damaskos in its place as a preplaced Byzantine City.

297670.

Since Damascus was added several other changes have to be made. Many of the resources are out of Damascus reach so I moved the sheep one tile down and moved the copper from Cyprus to Antiochs spot. (its not like copper is needed there in 600ad anyways). Oh, i also added a clam on the coast of Trabezon to componsate for the sheep.

The Canada thing was a joke.

As for Damascus, I think we should keep it out of 3000 BC, due to the Phoenecian spawn, but yeah, perhaps it could work for a preplaced Byzantine city.

The Canada thing was a joke.

As for Damascus, I think we should keep it out of 3000 BC, due to the Phoenecian spawn, but yeah, perhaps it could work for a preplaced Byzantine city.
Really? I wouldn't mind Canada :mischief:

I dont think Damascus should be preplaced in 3000 Ad but here is my plan for 600 ad :

-Remove Antioch and add Damaskos in its place as a preplaced Byzantine City.

297670.

Since Damascus was added several other changes have to be made. Many of the resources are out of Damascus reach so I moved the sheep one tile down and moved the copper from Cyprus to Antiochs spot. (its not like copper is needed there in 600ad anyways). Oh, i also added a clam on the coast of Trabezon to componsate for the sheep.

Thanks for the setup.

The Canada thing was a joke.

As for Damascus, I think we should keep it out of 3000 BC, due to the Phoenecian spawn, but yeah, perhaps it could work for a preplaced Byzantine city.

Well it wasn't around in 3000 BC anyways, so adding it would be ahistorical regardless.

Really? I wouldn't mind Canada :mischief:
I can see legitimate reasons for adding Canada, but I can also see reasons not too. I'm leaning towards the latter.

If you want I can upload the updated map.

That's alright, but thanks.

Personally I think there should be someone to oppose the United States in North America, whether it be Canada, Native Americans, or a NPC Confederate States

What about Mexico? Isn't a quarter of American land formerly Mexican? Forcing the Americans to actually conquer the area, rather than allowing them to use their starting settlers to reach from sea to shining sea in the course of 20 turns.

I'm good with anything to make playing as America a little more difficult. Would they be a rebirth of Aztecs, or their own civ?

Rebirth, of course. Ideas were discussed concerning this earlier in the thread, just do a search for 'Mexico.'

And on my progress...

Well things are almost complete with the Safavids. Sadly the game has some bugs I new to flatten out.

Did u get the bugs? Anyways can u update the Safavids on the Svn.

Guys I was just modding the religion AI penalties/ bonuses, this is the current system:

Confucians, Taoists, and Buddhists get a bonus with each other, but it's halved.
Hindus and Buddhists get a quartered penalty with each other.
Hindus get a 1/4 penalty with Confucians and Taoists, and vice verse.
Catholics and Prots. get a halved penalty

Shia yet to be added.

Guys I was just modding the religion AI penalties/ bonuses, this is the current system:

Confucians, Taoists, and Buddhists get a bonus with each other, but it's halved.
Hindus and Buddhists get a quartered penalty with each other.
Hindus get a 1/4 penalty with Confucians and Taoists, and vice verse.
Catholics and Prots. get a halved penalty

Shia yet to be added.

Why do Catholics and Protestants get a halved penalty? That seems ahistorical.. Maybe the penalty becomes halved after the discovery of Liberalism or something?

I suppose that makes sense. I'll fix it tonight

Shia should be hostile to Sunni

Well it wasn't around in 3000 BC anyways, so adding it would be ahistorical regardless.

Damascus was already built as city in 3000BC..
Jerusalem isn't. It is said settled as city in 1800BC..


I dont think Damascus should be preplaced in 3000 Ad but here is my plan for 600 ad


How do you fit Baghdad in?


What about Mexico? Isn't a quarter of American land formerly Mexican?


Mexico is a nice choice..
Not only it last for centuries, they are really important in stabilizing North America.
BUT before adding Mexico, you should balance Spain first so it'll loved to settle most of Mexico and California etc ...
Long in my game, Spain only settle up to Florida and then leave to Inca etc, and the only City they have in Mexico is.. Ciudad Mexico -_-" Aztec left as their vassal..

I'm thinking on another way..
How about modding that Benito Juarez (or anyone else) spawn as leader head when Aztec, if Alive : Viceroyalty of New Spain, if Dead : At year X ?

How do you fit Baghdad in?

What do u mean it fits in perfectly; Look at the picture Tisfun is Baghdad.

Btw: :Linkman will u be putting Damascus in the next release; also there is a sheep on top of Mecca which u should move to Baghdad (like Doc) and the stone under Baghdad which u should move to the left.

Mexico is a nice choice..
Not only it last for centuries, they are really important in stabilizing North America.
BUT before adding Mexico, you should balance Spain first so it'll loved to settle most of Mexico and California etc ...

Imo, bot Mexico and Canada should be in. If there is a lagging issue why not make one of them a minor civ.

The more in the Americas the merrier

The more in the Americas the merrier

Agreed. Why not add a Mayan respawn as a minor civ for Central America? Another thing could be a Byzantine minor respawn as Yugoslavia :D

The first time I played the mod as Babylon, it worked fine. Every other time after this, however, it's crashed early into the game, at the exact same point every time. I went into the folder to try and find the problem. The file RFC Synthesis/Source/CvCity.pp has a red exclamation point next to it. What does this file do, why is it causing my game to crash at a specific point, and what can I do to fix it?

What do u mean it fits in perfectly; Look at the picture Tisfun is Baghdad.

Btw: :Linkman will u be putting Damascus in the next release; also there is a sheep on top of Mecca which u should move to Baghdad (like Doc) and the stone under Baghdad which u should move to the left.



Imo, bot Mexico and Canada should be in. If there is a lagging issue why not make one of them a minor civ.

Yes, Damascus will be in, as well as those resource shifts.

Canada as a minor civ is probably a better idea.

The more in the Americas the merrier

To some point, yes.

Agreed. Why not add a Mayan respawn as a minor civ for Central America? Another thing could be a Byzantine minor respawn as Yugoslavia :D

Far too insignificant. My original plan was to make the Byzzies Greek respawns to begin with, and then any additional respawns would be as Greece again. This would involve changing a lot of stuff though, because right now the stuff Leoreth added to RFC only allows you to set one civ that a civ can be reborn as.

The first time I played the mod as Babylon, it worked fine. Every other time after this, however, it's crashed early into the game, at the exact same point every time. I went into the folder to try and find the problem. The file RFC Synthesis/Source/CvCity.pp has a red exclamation point next to it. What does this file do, why is it causing my game to crash at a specific point, and what can I do to fix it?

Can I get a screen? The year/ turn? What event might cause it? A savefile? Can anyone else report a similar crash?

As far as CvCiy.cpp is concerned, it isn't relevant to the game. The exclamation point just means it didn't sync when you last updated the SVN. The only reason the .cpp and .h files are in there are for fellow modders interested in the source code.

We could have Canada be a Mayan respawn :D

We could have Canada be a Mayan respawn :D

:lol::lol:

That would really screw things up, because re-spawned civs still are identified as being neighbors with the civs that the original civ that they are reincarnations of are neighbors with. Amongst other things.

Linkman, U should take a look at the minor civ feature from the Civs in Abundance mod. I think it can really help with independents. Currently all independents are treated identically but in that mod not only does every indie civ has their own graphics (for example the Italian City States or the Sassanids in 600 ad) but they have their own war on contact mechanics and some other features. I don't know if its possible but you might even be able to make them appear on the diplomacy screen with some work (the ones u want). Im really surprised u havent already added this to Synthesis yet.

Lol other things have kept me occupied, but I already knew I wanted to include this feature for a while.

You seem adept with the coding mechanisms for CiA. Where exactly is this minor civ feature controlled?

As far as i know, it is in the python (although you will also have to modify the xml to add the flags etc); i dont think it is in the CvGameCoreDll. If u want i can try to merge the features myself while u can concentrate on other things. If it works ill upload it or tell u what to do.

PS: Ive been wanting to ask this for a long time, How much of a lag do minor civs really create? (without settler map; with prespawned cities)

Ya, tell me if simply making python/ xml changes works, and nothing is required from the SDK. I always thought adding minor civs required you to increase the civ limit.

No, i already checked the the Sdk u uploaded (does that version have the features we are talking about). I think he made them that they are still somehow independent but with variations

Suggestion: Shouldn't you expand Byzantine's flipped territories into North Africa(mostly Egypt)?

I realize the mod is on hold, and this isn't that big of a problem, but I'm just throwing it out there.

I'm sorry to dig this issue up again, but I couldn't find a solution.
The SVN Update asks for a login, wich I don't have. When will this be solved? If the newest (working) build is out there?

No, i already checked the the Sdk u uploaded (does that version have the features we are talking about). I think he made them that they are still somehow independent but with variations

I think it has the features. Not confident. Recompile the DLL and see if it still works.

Suggestion: Shouldn't you expand Byzantine's flipped territories into North Africa(mostly Egypt)?

I realize the mod is on hold, and this isn't that big of a problem, but I'm just throwing it out there.

There was a reason Leoreth didn't make the Byzantine spawn area larger. I can't remember the details. However I had an idea last night that when the Byzantines spawn, their spawn area shouldn't be predefined, but rather they get all Roman or Roman vassal cities east of Venice and Carthage.

Also this mod is not on hold. I'm actively working on it.

I'm sorry to dig this issue up again, but I couldn't find a solution.
The SVN Update asks for a login, wich I don't have. When will this be solved? If the newest (working) build is out there?

This is not something that needs to be "solved." I've done it on purpose because of the instability of the current SVN version. In a day or two it should be back up.

There was a reason Leoreth didn't make the Byzantine spawn area larger. I can't remember the details. However I had an idea last night that when the Byzantines spawn, their spawn area shouldn't be predefined, but rather they get all Roman or Roman vassal cities east of Venice and Carthage.

Also this mod is not on hold. I'm actively working on it.
The main reason was that in most cases (especially after AI autoplay), Africa is not controlled by Rome so it feels even weirder than Greeks if it flips to Byzantium. Also, it would make their UHV easier.

here was a reason Leoreth didn't make the Byzantine spawn area larger. I can't remember the details. However I had an idea last night that when the Byzantines spawn, their spawn area shouldn't be predefined, but rather they get all Roman or Roman vassal cities east of Venice and Carthage.

Also this mod is not on hold. I'm actively working on it.


I was thinking about that too, I was playing as the Romans and it felt really weird that I still had control of Egypt and Babylon, thinking that they would flip. Great idea imo, after all most of those territories they spawn with on the 600AD start.

Oh, that's great! :goodjob:

On the subject of the Byzantines it would seem strange to me if they even did spawn if the Romans never made it out east. If the Greeks control the Byzantine spawn area then it wouldn't make much sense for the Byzantines to just pop up in 330AD or whatever it is (unless of course Greece is a Roman vassal I suppose). But I guess the real issue impeding a historical simulation here is the ai's inability to recreate the a true Roman Empire. Heck, I just loaded a game as the Byzantines where Rome didn't control all of Italy (Milan was garrisoned by a celtic warrior yet at the same time Rome was able to go out and grab Tyre :confused:).

I was thinking about that too, I was playing as the Romans and it felt really weird that I still had control of Egypt and Babylon, thinking that they would flip. Great idea imo, after all most of those territories they spawn with on the 600AD start.

Oh, that's great! :goodjob:

It was actually your screen shot in the OMG thread that gave me this idea.

On the subject of the Byzantines it would seem strange to me if they even did spawn if the Romans never made it out east. If the Greeks control the Byzantine spawn area then it wouldn't make much sense for the Byzantines to just pop up in 330AD or whatever it is (unless of course Greece is a Roman vassal I suppose). But I guess the real issue impeding a historical simulation here is the ai's inability to recreate the a true Roman Empire. Heck, I just loaded a game as the Byzantines where Rome didn't control all of Italy (Milan was garrisoned by a celtic warrior yet at the same time Rome was able to go out and grab Tyre :confused:).

This shouldn't be an issue when I release the next version. The last version I released had a copy of DoC in which Leoreth turned off the Roman UP, which basically gives conquerors to the Romans.

Also, I was pretty confident that the Byzantines don't spawn if Greece is around and only if an unstable Rome controls the area. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Can I get a screen? The year/ turn? What event might cause it? A savefile? Can anyone else report a similar crash?

As far as CvCiy.cpp is concerned, it isn't relevant to the game. The exclamation point just means it didn't sync when you last updated the SVN. The only reason the .cpp and .h files are in there are for fellow modders interested in the source code.

Actually, it seems to only happen when I start a game as Byzantium. I played a game as Ethiopia and it never crashed.

Last time you said it was Babylon. :confused:

Also, I'm changing the Persian UP to +3 extra trade routes until the year 1750. And I'll probably weaken the UU.

Sorry for the triple post but- the SVN is now back online. Feel free to update. It doesn't have everything and the Safavids are highly unbalanced because I haven't changed all their modifiers in the SDK yet.

Also, I was pretty confident that the Byzantines don't spawn if Greece is around and only if an unstable Rome controls the area. Correct me if I'm wrong.
The Byzantines only spawn if Greece is dead and Rome controls at least one city in the Greek core. The Roman stability has no impact on it, and player controlled Byzantium obviously spawns regardless.

Hey, I had an idea. Adding Realistic Culture Spread and/or Fixed Borders (or whatever modcomp that allows units to expand your borders) to RFC. It might work.

I see. Well I'm gonna have to change it then to make sure Roman stability is at least shaky or less for them to spawn.

Last time you said it was Babylon. :confused:

What I meant to say was that I was able to play Babylon without error. Sorry for the confusion. After the Babylon game was over, I tried to load a game as Byzantium. It didn't work, and I for some reason assumed it was a bug across all civs. Then I tried Ethiopia, which did work, so I'm guessing it's just a problem with Byzantium.

Hey, I had an idea. Adding Realistic Culture Spread and/or Fixed Borders (or whatever modcomp that allows units to expand your borders) to RFC. It might work.

Ya, I might do that eventually.

What I meant to say was that I was able to play Babylon without error. Sorry for the confusion. After the Babylon game was over, I tried to load a game as Byzantium. It didn't work, and I for some reason assumed it was a bug across all civs. Then I tried Ethiopia, which did work, so I'm guessing it's just a problem with Byzantium.

I see... not sure what it is. Tell me if it happens with the latest SVN revision.

It works fine now, thanks!

Cool, glad to hear it.

I got a python exception during autoplay as Turkey (it popped up 2 times).

This is inherited from DoC. Should rectify when I update to the latest revision of DoC.

I'd just like to say I love this mod. :D

Keep up the good work Linkman!

Thanks, will do :D

What do u mean it fits in perfectly; Look at the picture Tisfun is Baghdad.

Imo, bot Mexico and Canada should be in. If there is a lagging issue why not make one of them a minor civ.

Well.. I was thinking Tisfun will always be Ctesiphon ;)
It's actually a nice Idea when seeing Ctesiphon start with Zoro, conquered by Arab and become Islam Baghdad (Like Memphis >> Cairo, though not historical) and automatically become the Capital.. (or Dmashq could be the capital as well)

Tisfun is Ctesiphon, right?

yes..
Tisfun is Ctesiphon, imperial capital of Persia
few miles south of Baghdad

Man, the Arabs really went to town on Ctesiphon. This building, the Taq-i Kisra is the only remnant of the city. :eek:

http://www.cais-soas.com/CAIS/Images2/Sasanian/Ctesiphone/CtesiphonePalace3.jpg

The city wasn't destroyed but abandoned for the newly built Baghdad.

Ctesiphon fell to the Muslims during the Islamic conquest of Persia in 637 under the military command of Sa'ad ibn Abi Waqqas during the caliphate of Umar. However, the general population was not harmed but the palaces and their archives were burned. Still, as political and economic fortune had passed elsewhere, the city went into a rapid decline, especially after the founding of the Abbasid capital at Baghdad in the 8th century, and soon became a ghost town. It is believed to be the basis for the city of Isbanir in the Thousand and One Nights.

Ok, I 'installed' it and there not appear any text in the starting menu. Any ideas?

Do you play with a foreign language? Try setting the language to English then.

I don't play in a foreign language, I'm playing in the language of my country! :mad:

Ok, it works. Any plan to add support in other languages?

Haha, sorry. Also probably best not to call it a foreign language.

When I was adding the TXT_KEYs, I didn't add those for non-English languages. What language do you speak? I can give you stuff to translate if you want to help out. I only speak English and some Spanish (plus an Indian language) so I didn't add other languages.

I don't play in a foreign language, I'm playing in the language of my country! :mad:
Haha, I was thinking the same thing when I saw what I had written. And I'm even not a native English-speaker myself :lol:

Well, if it is not *MANY* I can help. :mischief: I speak spanish.

BTW, there are plans to add new religions like orthodox? If there are catholics and protestants there should be orthodox.

Yeah.. the city wasn't destroyed..
That's why I suggested making it changed into Baghdad when conquered by Arab..
At least until we figured out how to raze a city and automatically built a city next to it..
If someone somehow figured this out,
we could make when Arab conquer Memphis, it's automatically razed and al-Qahira automatically built next to it..

Well, if it is not *MANY* I can help. :mischief: I speak spanish.

BTW, there are plans to add new religions like orthodox? If there are catholics and protestants there should be orthodox.

Yes, we discussed that some time back. I plan on doing that :)

And thanks for the offer of help. I'll PM you some text soon.

Yeah.. the city wasn't destroyed..
That's why I suggested making it changed into Baghdad when conquered by Arab..
At least until we figured out how to raze a city and automatically built a city next to it..
If someone somehow figured this out,
we could make when Arab conquer Memphis, it's automatically razed and al-Qahira automatically built next to it..

That's easy enough to do in python, but isn't renaming better?


Also guys:

I was adding missionaries and this occurred to me. So I implemented it:

Dynamic missionary spawns:
Spain, France spawn with Christian missionaries in the 600 AD game and the missionary of Rome's state religion in 3000 AD
England, Germany get France's SR's missionary
Russia spawns with Byzantium's SR's missionary
Vikings get Russia's SR in 1000 AD
Portugal spawns with Spain's SR missionary

Testing it out now.

That's easy enough to do in python, but isn't renaming better?


Also guys:

I was adding missionaries and this occurred to me. So I implemented it:

Dynamic missionary spawns:
Spain, France spawn with Christian missionaries in the 600 AD game and the missionary of Rome's state religion in 3000 AD
England, Germany get France's SR's missionary
Russia spawns with Byzantium's SR's missionary
Vikings get Russia's SR in 1000 AD
Portugal spawns with Spain's SR missionary

Testing it out now.

1) There's no point in destroying cities and rebuilding them. It just makes everything more difficult.

2) The only problem I have with the Missionary thing is with the Vikings. I think that a delay of 400 years to the spread of Christianity might lead to the spread of Islam or Buddhism in the region. On the same note, if u are going to add Orthodoxy it might make more sense to give Vikings the German state religion. I mean Vikings and Early Germans were in close contact as seen by the formation of the Hanseatic League. Also i think it might have been the Early Germans that spread Christianity to the Baltic States and Scandanavia

1) There's no point in destroying cities and rebuilding them. It just makes everything more difficult.

Well..
Never mind then

Well..
Never mind then

Dont get me wrong; didnt mean to put u down. Ur idea is more suitable when a city is right next to a more important city. So suppose when Arabs conquer Babylon (in 3000ad), the city is destroyed but Baghdad is founded a tile East. Or when the Egyptians build a city of Per-Waget and the Roamans or Greeks conquer it then Alexandria is founded a tile West. Or when Romans or Byzantines conquer Hattatus, Konya is founded.

(These are just examples; if u guys think this is too deterministic then u can reserve this kind of thing for only a few special cities which are founded in a really messed up spot and will be a bother for human players later on)

2) The only problem I have with the Missionary thing is with the Vikings. I think that a delay of 400 years to the spread of Christianity might lead to the spread of Islam or Buddhism in the region. On the same note, if u are going to add Orthodoxy it might make more sense to give Vikings the German state religion. I mean Vikings and Early Germans were in close contact as seen by the formation of the Hanseatic League. Also i think it might have been the Early Germans that spread Christianity to the Baltic States and Scandanavia

Historically Christianity didn't spread to Scandinavia for a long while. Thinking about it, I suppose it makes sense to give them a missionary from Germany instead (but at the same date). But wouldn't adding paganism as a religion help prevent odd religions from spreading? I just took a look at the religion spread code. Basically I'd make the game take into account the distance by number of plots as well as the type of plot. Not easy which is why it won't be anytime soon, but after I finish the C++ tutorial I'm doing now.

Dont get me wrong; didnt mean to put u down. Ur idea is more suitable when a city is right next to a more important city. So suppose when Arabs conquer Babylon (in 3000ad), the city is destroyed but Baghdad is founded a tile East. Or when the Egyptians build a city of Per-Waget and the Roamans or Greeks conquer it then Alexandria is founded a tile West. Or when Romans or Byzantines conquer Hattatus, Konya is founded.

(These are just examples; if u guys think this is too deterministic then u can reserve this kind of thing for only a few special cities which are founded in a really messed up spot and will be a bother for human players later on)

No, this sounds like a great idea. But better yet, for the AI it should be some random chance, and for the human an option via popup.

Very good job adding just the right amount of improvements to the game while keeping the same RFC feeling. :goodjob:

Thanks, nice to see a new face around here :)

Also I just reworked this:
Dynamic missionary spawns:
Spain, France spawn with Christian missionaries in the 600 AD game and the missionary of Rome's state religion in 3000 AD
England, Germany get France's SR's missionary
Russia spawns with Byzantium's SR's missionary
Vikings get Russia's SR missionary in Oslo in 900 AD (40 years after Russian spawn)
Portugal spawns with Spain's SR missionary

On a related note, what do you guys think of birthing the Vikings in Copenhagen instead of Oslo?

On a related note, what do you guys think of birthing the Vikings in Copenhagen instead of Oslo?
Leoreth already discussed this, if the Vikings spawn in Copenhagen, this would lead to expansion to way too much expansion in Germany. But on a related note, can u make it that the Vikings found Copenhagen more often or even that Copenhagen flips to them. Another city which I would like the Vikings to found Riga to show their influence around the Baltic. Riga could really fuel the Russia-Sweden Wars.

Another thing that Ive seen is that cities in Scandanavia grow way too big, I saw a city 3 tiles away from the North Pole which had a pop of 13 in the Middle Ages; this was more than London, Baghdad or Constantinople. Can u make it that the Vikings are more productive and less Growing.

Leoreth already discussed this, if the Vikings spawn in Copenhagen, this would lead to expansion to way too much expansion in Germany. But on a related note, can u make it that the Vikings found Copenhagen more often or even that Copenhagen flips to them. Another city which I would like the Vikings to found Riga to show their influence around the Baltic. Riga could really fuel the Russia-Sweden Wars.

Another thing that Ive seen is that cities in Scandanavia grow way too big, I saw a city 3 tiles away from the North Pole which had a pop of 13 in the Middle Ages; this was more than London, Baghdad or Constantinople. Can u make it that the Vikings are more productive and less Growing.

Maybe some plains up north as opposed to grassland?

On the start screen, when choosing a civ, all GPs are listed as UUs regardless of the choice.

On a related note, what do you guys think of birthing the Vikings in Copenhagen instead of Oslo?
What about spawning an independent Copenhagen in AD 500 (preplaced in the AD 600 scenario), then letting it flip to the Vikings?

Maybe some plains up north as opposed to grassland?
That and some Tundra can solve the problem. Imo most resources in Sweden should be concentrated in the Stocklohm-Olso Cross.

-Just to give some prespective, the population of Sweden ins 1580 was 900,000; while the population of France 20 million and the population of constantinople (city only) was 140,000.

On the start screen, when choosing a civ, all GPs are listed as UUs regardless of the choice.

Thats a DOC issue, I believe

Leoreth already discussed this, if the Vikings spawn in Copenhagen, this would lead to expansion to way too much expansion in Germany. But on a related note, can u make it that the Vikings found Copenhagen more often or even that Copenhagen flips to them. Another city which I would like the Vikings to found Riga to show their influence around the Baltic. Riga could really fuel the Russia-Sweden Wars.

Another thing that Ive seen is that cities in Scandanavia grow way too big, I saw a city 3 tiles away from the North Pole which had a pop of 13 in the Middle Ages; this was more than London, Baghdad or Constantinople. Can u make it that the Vikings are more productive and less Growing.

Ya the Indie Copenhagen idea sounds good.

As for your second idea, I was just in the middle of adjusting free population boni so I put that in immediately. Viking cities no longer start with 2 population, but rather 1. In addition I'll change the terrain up in the north.

Maybe some plains up north as opposed to grassland?

-Just to give some prespective, the population of Sweden ins 1580 was 900,000; while the population of France 20 million and the population of constantinople (city only) was 140,000.



Thats a DOC issue, I believe

Thanks for those facts. I'll work on it.

And Alexius- refer to what J. Pride says above. Although I haven't confirmed it- I'd have to boot up DoC and I'm too busy modding right now.

Also, guys, could I get some Shia wonder suggestions?

Also, guys, could I get some Shia wonder suggestions?

Are u looking for something besides the ones already present in SOI; which are:
Iman Reza Shrine
Iman Ali Mosque
Shah Mosque

Or else:
Imam Husayn Shrine
Al Kādhimiyya Mosque

As for your second idea, I was just in the middle of adjusting free population boni so I put that in immediately. Viking cities no longer start with 2 population, but rather 1. In addition I'll change the terrain up in the north.

I dont know; that might have unintended consequences. I suggest, inaddition to the terrain thing u should move the resources to Olso-Stocklohm. Also if u are going to add Copenhagen as an inde make sure Vikings conquer/flip it or else France usually conquers it (tried it in the mod). U can also modify their settler maps so they are more likey to found Stocklohm, Riga and Copenhagen and less likely to settle near the North Pole.

Ya, I only needed non-SoI ones. Although SoI already has three, which seems sufficient, which enough, so I might just go with those.

And I like your Viking idea better, I suppose. Will do that, then.

Dont get me wrong; didnt mean to put u down. Ur idea is more suitable when a city is right next to a more important city. So suppose when Arabs conquer Babylon (in 3000ad), the city is destroyed but Baghdad is founded a tile East. Or when the Egyptians build a city of Per-Waget and the Roamans or Greeks conquer it then Alexandria is founded a tile West. Or when Romans or Byzantines conquer Hattatus, Konya is founded.

(These are just examples; if u guys think this is too deterministic then u can reserve this kind of thing for only a few special cities which are founded in a really messed up spot and will be a bother for human players later on)

Nah, it's alright..
I don't get it wrong or something else hehe..
Actually, since my English weren't really good, I was a bit confused to get the English translation for this Indonesian phrases oh yaudah gapapa. Then I was thinking either No Problem or Never Mind that only suits well.. And I choose never mind because it seems more polite :rolleyes:


U can also modify their settler maps so they are more likey to found Stocklohm, Riga and Copenhagen and less likely to settle near the North Pole.


I think Viking should settle north pole too, it's why they're unique, to Iceland and Greenland.. but they have to settle at Denmark, Latvia and the Baltic countries as well..
In the reality, Viking cities should be less populated since it's way too cold, IMO :lol:

I'm unsure whether this has been reported or not, but here goes:

I've now played 2 games up to 1505 AD on Marathon and both times they've ended in CTDs on that very turn and do so every time the game is loaded up again. Is this a known issue?

Ya the Safavid crash. I don't think it happens every time but I'm not sure what causes it.

I'm trying to play as the Romans, but twice so far the game would crash after a few turns. I'll re-download it and try again just in case it's a minor error, however.

Just letting you know there could be a problem.

Also, I have a question. Does Carthage(city) automatically raze when conquered?I want to keep the city but it auto-razes every time.

1) Hmmm.... screenshots, or a savefile?

2) If you declare war early, chances are the population is only one. Cities with only one pop are autorazed.

If you declare war early, chances are the population is only one. Cities with only one pop are autorazed.
Not if your culture is present in the city, which influence-driven war seems to introduce whenever you win a battle.

By the way, could we use this (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=199344) for the civ-specific GP names to get rid of the clutter I mentioned before? It transfers the names from Assets/XML/Units/Civ4UnitInfos.xml to its own XML file in Assets\XML\Text.

1) Hmmm.... screenshots, or a savefile?

2) If you declare war early, chances are the population is only one. Cities with only one pop are autorazed.

1. I don't have either. But I'm currently on my third play-through and am saving often. Time'll tell.

2. Could be, but if the post about is true that can't be it.

Also I just reworked this:
Dynamic missionary spawns:
Spain, France spawn with Christian missionaries in the 600 AD game and the missionary of Rome's state religion in 3000 AD
England, Germany get France's SR's missionary
Russia spawns with Byzantium's SR's missionary
Vikings get Russia's SR missionary in Oslo in 900 AD (40 years after Russian spawn)
Portugal spawns with Spain's SR missionary

On a related note, what do you guys think of birthing the Vikings in Copenhagen instead of Oslo?
Christianity was alive and well in England by the spawn.

Actually the first person to send missionaries to Scandinavia was the Archbishop of Rheims who got Christianity a foothold in Jutland, later St. Anschar, Archbishop of Hamburg-Bremen converted the Norse.
So either France or Germany SR for Norse
Nah, it's alright..
I don't get it wrong or something else hehe..
Actually, since my English weren't really good, I was a bit confused to get the English translation for this Indonesian phrases oh yaudah gapapa. Then I was thinking either No Problem or Never Mind that only suits well.. And I choose never mind because it seems more polite :rolleyes:



I think Viking should settle north pole too, it's why they're unique, to Iceland and Greenland.. but they have to settle at Denmark, Latvia and the Baltic countries as well..
In the reality, Viking cities should be less populated since it's way too cold, IMO :lol:

the contraction you are looking for is either "isn't" or "wasn't". "was" is past tense so to say "wasn't" implies your English has gotten better since then. "is" on the other hand is present tense so to use "isn't" means it is not good right now and has the understanding that it was no better in the past.
If you think a phrase might not be well received if you meant it earnestly add a :) to the end

the contraction you are looking for is either "isn't" or "wasn't". "was" is past tense so to say "wasn't" implies your English has gotten better since then. "is" on the other hand is present tense so to use "isn't" means it is not good right now and has the understanding that it was no better in the past.
If you think a phrase might not be well received if you meant it earnestly add a :) to the end

Thanks for the correction..
So how do I say that my English is getting better than before, but still not good?

I always have problem with Writing.. :blush: The same goes when I took toefl and sat..

Umm..
I might forget adding :) on that one hehe..
I usually add either :) or ;) though. No idea why I didn't add it there :lol:

By the way, on the issue of all the GP being displayed as unique units in the Civ selection screen, this does NOT happen in DoC. Seems you have missed something while merging ... make a diff of CvGameTextManager.cpp.

It's fixed in the version I'm working with, actually. That's not on the SVN yet however.

Linkman, I think you should take out the extra resources for the time being. I say this because currently these extra resources arent balanced /placed properly. It would more appropriate to put these resources back in when u have added all the civs and features that u want to. At the end, it will be easier for u to decide where which resources are needed. So suppose u add a civ say Brazil and u feel that they are overpowered or underpowered u can place the resources accordingly. Currently since there are no extra civs currently, these resources unbalance the game.

P.s: By putting them out of the game I dont mean taking out their graphics and everything just taking them out of the map and commenting out their spawn. This way it will be really easy to put them back in when appropriate

The first thing I'm doing after the Safavids and Shi'a is making map changes, pretty big ones, in fact. For now I don't mind leaving it temporarily unbalanced.

The first thing I'm doing after the Safavids and Shi'a is making map changes, pretty big ones, in fact.
What kind of changes?

Do they involve making the the Levant and Eastern Europe bigger by any chance?

No, I'm afraid.

Basically:

1) Move around new resources; make all resources spread more realistically )for example, coffee starting in Ethiopia and spreading outwards)

2) Change capitals (India, China)

3) Dynamic climate- Saharan desertification, Medieval warm period aiding Viking colonization, the Little Ice Age, and revision of global warming

4) Add city spawns, Timurid and Seljuk barbs

5) Historical natural disasters (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=431784)

And unrelated to the map:

6) Revise the dynamic names extensively, using Edead's excellent system for changing names, leaderheads, and even flags/ colors in SoI

Curious about the SVN update feature. If other minimods are updated via their SVN, is that also placed on the Synthesis SVN? The reason I ask is I like many of the additions here placed ontop of DoC, but I would like to be using the most recent DoC version.