This is an informational poll. Relevant discussion can be found here. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=42017&perpage=20&display=&pagenumber=1) . This is also a multiple choice poll.

Two questions: If we do all, whats the total bill?
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What will russia give us for Horsies.

What about an ROP with the Iroquois? Or, do we already have one?

And what about those Zulu and Roman ones I mentioned... IMHO their too much of a bargain to let go.

I didn't include those because they are both 'minor' civs that are also far away from Babylon. They are a bargain because they won't actually help us at all...

getting Democracy and 2 workers WILL help us!... just not with the war...

We can get the workers for our World Map...

okay... that's good too... what about Democracy?

I feel the MA's won't help us with the Zulus or Romans, but it doesn't hurt to tag it onto the the deal if we don't have to add anything to get them to accept.

I just kinda feel like my Zulu/Roman Suggestions have been ignored, and I think it would be kinda stupid not to go ahead with them, since they don't require much on our part, and the Romans give us a cheap way to get Democracy and 2 Workers.

Sorry, Falcon, I really just missed that post. Discussion for this stuff has been all over the place. Post it here, and if there seems to be support for it, I will include it in my instructions...

I think we should get any workers possible (but we should have our own). BTW, it seems the worker we lost was a foreign worker... (probably Japanese).

I voted only for the Iroquois alliance. I've had it up to here *donsig holds his hand to his forehead to illustrate* with RoPs. Give Russia Military Tradition? :eek:

I really don't see why you people don't like the gpt deals. I didn't realize we had gold to waste.

Originally posted by donsig
Give Russia Military Tradition? :eek:
They'll get it soon anyway, and we will be profiting quite nicely from being the ones to give it to them. Firstly, they are very well placed to kick some perfidious Babylonian arse, and secondly it'll ensure we get their GA out of the way before any future offensives against them.

For the record, I voted for alliances with Russia, China & the Iroquois. If we intend trying to hold any Bab cities in the long term then the last thing we want is for them to move their capital to somewhere out of the way in the south. Their major cities will always be at high risk of culture flip until the entire civilisation has been eradicated.

I just kinda feel like my Zulu/Roman Suggestions have been ignored, and I think it would be kinda stupid not to go ahead with them, since they don't require much on our part, and the Romans give us a cheap way to get Democracy and 2 Workers.

Sorry, Falcon, I thought it was such an obviously good idea on your part, that my comment wouldn't be needed. Let me know if you need me to vote on it somewhere.

Feodor

For the record, I voted for alliances with Russia, China & the Iroquois. If we intend trying to hold any Bab cities in the long term then the last thing we want is for them to move their capital to somewhere out of the way in the south. Their major cities will always be at high risk of culture flip until the entire civilisation has been eradicated.
If they are reduced to four small cities half a continent away, how bad could the risk of culture flip be? Particularly since we will (hopefully) be in possession of most of their cultural sources.

In any event, the Chinese have every reason to attack Babylon themselves, after we've crippled Babs military and the Russians have been cleared from China's jungle. Although it is unlikely that anyone will bother going after that town on the island.

Feodor

I like the russia/mil tra. Think of it this way. Who do you want cossacks raining down on? Us or them?

Originally posted by Feodor Ardent

If they are reduced to four small cities half a continent away, how bad could the risk of culture flip be? Particularly since we will (hopefully) be in possession of most of their cultural sources.
To answer your question (rhetorical or no) in one word: Very.

Taking cities will not deplete the existing cultural strength of a civ, and on occasions in which I have not been sufficiently respectful of the Babs' legendary culture I have seen major cities flipped back by just one pathetic refugee camp of a city miles away at the other end of a large continent. IMO there'll even be a significant risk of a flip if that island city of theirs is allowed to survive. Personally I'd like to see most of their core cities razed unless we can eradicate the entire civ extremely quickly after taking them. :scan:

Unless the results of this poll change significantly in the next couple hours, my instructions will be to sign alliances with Russia, Iroquois, England and America.

I chose Russia, Iroquois(we need RoP if we don't have) and America because we need to use their land to reach Babylonian cities or units(near Leningrado).

I chose France and China becuase I don't want to fight them at this time.

To me, all England could offer is more units to obstruct our roads.

Unless the results of this poll change significantly in the next couple hours, my instructions will be to sign alliances with Russia, Iroquois, England and America.

That is a pretty good mix . . .

-- Russia for their muscle and ability to strike directly at Babylon.

-- Iroquois for their road net; their army is unimpressive and in the wrong place.

-- England because they have a Bab army on their territory and will engage it right away.

-- America because, if the French side with Babylon, they will have to fight the Americans first.

Feodor
(Nodding in appreciation, hands cupping a hot spiced brandy)

I'm concerned with all the support for bringing the Iroquois into this war, but not France and America. These two powerful neighbors of ours are already at war with the Iroquois. If we not only neglect to bring them in, but also sign up with their enemy, how difficult will it be for Babylon to enlist their support?

12gpt, our WM and RoPs with the two of them is a small price to pay to limit the fighting to our western border only. If we end up in a two front war, sandwiched between Babylon, India and France and America, I may retire early and start drinking cocktails down on Huntington Beach, no matter who ends up owning the city.... ;)

>"I'm concerned with all the support for bringing the Iroquois into this war, but not France and America."

I'll wager that is simply because the need for the Iroquois is so obvious. Without them, we have no clear line of advance even to protect Kagoshima, let alone plot a victorious path into Babylon.

We definitely need to bring at least one of France or America in. If the other one joins, then they can spend time battering each other.

If we can get both cheap, why not?

Altogether, I expect us to be quickly successful against both India and Babylon, and with the forces availble, properly upgraded and reinforced. India is a spent force, and Babylon is going to have to build a brand new army from scratch and throw it at the Russians and Iroquois. We should have them broken down to random attacks in just a few turns.

Feodor
(Soothing, supportive, but firm)

Please try not to spend gold on these alliances! Use gpt if you must but we need gold to upgrade our military. We need over 2000g to upgrade our pikes. More to the point right now, we can upgrade 26 of our 46 knights for 520g. We currently have 595g in the treasury and a surplus of 84gpt. Alliances or not, we need cavalry to fight these wars!

I do not like giving away GPT! Please dont use GPT! GPT hurts our economy. If my new idea is implemented, we need all the GPT we can get!

I'm not entirely sure I'm familiar with your "new idea" Goonie, but gold per turn deals can serve a purpose, especially when you're negotiating alliances.

Furthermore, considering our current economic state (ie. strapped for cash with lots of units in need of rapid upgrades), gold per turn may be more viable than the alternatives.

GPT is useful when dealing with civs that like to break alliances (everyone other than us). If we give them cash, they can just take the money and run. As it is, we will be spending only 4gpt and no cash on these alliances.