This thread is to support player registration for the upcoming QSC-C2 games that will begin play on approximately February 10th, 2003.

If you are unfamiliar with the QSC progression style format then I suggest you visit thes two prior game examples to get a better idea of how the games proceed and what will be expected from each player:

QSC-C1 "Irritated Mao" Game (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=37821)
The "handyandy" Persian training game (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=36486)

The QSC or "Quick Start Challenge" games focus a lot of statistics on learning to play the first 120 turns of the game very well and to statistically comparing these game to other players. Make sure you plan the appropriate time commitment between February 10th and February 25th to complete your play commitments to the other players who will be in the QSC with you.

QSC-C2 will actually be two identical games from identical start positions with every aspect of the game identical except for the difficult level. QSC-C2e will be a higher difficulty level game (probably emperor) QSC-C2r will be a lower difficulty level game (monarch or regent).

The human playable civilization for both games will be a Civ3v1.29 equivalent for the Carthage as released in the PTW expansion pack. The civ will be different but equivalent in functional aspects. There will be a small graphics expansion that you will need to download and install to be able to play this game.

This post will be updated to list the players who have signed up for or been assigned to each of the two game brackets. If you would like to register to play in the QSC-C2 games you may post in this thread (but that does not guarantee you a slot) and please send cracker a PM indicating some of your past game play experience if you do not have a record of game submissions to the GOTM games during the past 6 months. Try not to say things like "I'm only playing if I can play diety or I'm only playing if I can play Warlord" because we need players of all skill levels to play the QSC games and actively compare notes in order to get the most out of the statistics and the discussion.

The number of slots available for each game is limited.

These QSC games will be a warm up event for GOTM17 where the same settings will be used and part of the intent here is to give some preference and advanced practice to players who are actively playing the GOTM games.

(bear with me as I set up the game play lists because I have to look at the big picture of keeping a mix of players in both of the planned games. What this means is that players in the middle of the range may not get scheduled immediately until we get a better picture of everyone who is interested. I will list everyone as an alternate until we confirm if there will be a total of 16 or 24 slots available. - cracker)

Registered List of Players: (game assignments shown)
_1) Charis (1-23) - Emperor
_2) HotRod0823 (1-23) - Emperor
_3) Skyfish (1-23) - Regent
_4) Justus II (1-23) - Emperor
_5) stwils (1-23) - Regent
_6) Zagnut (1-23) - Regent
_7) Takeo (1-23) - Regent
_8) Borealis (1-23) - Emperor
_9) Meldor (1-23) - Emperor
10) McDan (1-23) - Regent
11) Ronald (1-23) - Regent
12) Swiftsure (1-24) - Emperor
13) Zenga (1-24) - Regent
14) Nightfang (1-24) - Regent
15) Arizona Steve (1-24) - Emperor
16) Karasu (1-25) - Emperor
17) Flexo (1-31) - Emperor
18) PattonTwo (2-4) - Regent
19) drewshark (2-5) - Emperor
20) singularity (2-8) - Regent

Registered Alternates and/or Shadow Players:

I'm am interested.

I have PM'd cracker showing my interest in the game. I am interested to see new "active" GOTM players get more involved in the SG games.

Count me in !

Me, too!

stwils

I'm very interested to play.

Ronald

Sweet! This should prove to be a VERY interesting event, with not only very good information within games, but cross-difficulty.

I would be interested in a slot in QSC-C2
(Not clear if you wanted us to avoid saying C2a or if what you didn't want to hear "Deity plz")

I would tell lurkers that this is a fun and very instructional game, but the fact that a large number of QSC-C1 players are leaping in immediately speaks for itself! :goodjob:

Charis

I am interested in playing this game. I submitted GOTM15-QSC as my first QSC, but the opening is my favorite part of the game. That's why I havent submitted a lot of complete GOTMs, usually by the middle ages I move on to something else. (But I am submitting GOTM15, should be launching my spaceship tonight!). I would be willing to play either difficulty.

please count me in !

:)

I'm Interested,
Is this scenario playable with PTW. I am planning on getting it prior to GOTM17 and if I can use it in the practice I will get it a leetle earlier:D

Pygzilla,

You may have missed the point of this games setup. The game will be a Civ3v1.29 game that replicates the choices you might make in a PTW Carthage game. This game will not necessarily be anything like the Gotm17 game except for the civ traits and UU strengths

When we get out to Gotm17 at the beginning of March, you will have a choice to play the game in Civ3v1.29 (you will not need to purchase PTW) or you can play essentially the same Gotm17 game in PTW as Carthage. SO there will be two different paths to the same end result. Your choice.

For this game, all players will play in Civ3v1.29 using the equivalent civ setup to be the equivalent of Carthage.

I would like to play.

I would love to play in this!!!

Takeo

I'd like to play!

Count me in

I'd like to play too.

*Jumps up and down*

ME ME ME!

I am interested, in case you didn't know.:p

I don't have much going on (only plan at the moment is to join in the oscillating war RBE game when it starts), so shouldn't have any trouble finding enough time to play in this.

I usually play Deity BTW, with a little Emperor for rest and relaxation :)

Dang! Another intersting game that I don't have time to play in. :cry:

I've got to find some way to tone down my Real Life committments. :lol:

Me too!

Just a reminder to all players who have registered for this game, that Gotm16-Rome has been released for everyone to play and this should help you all get that a bit further in the Gotm16 game before we get to point where we will start these two QSC games.

Here is the link to the Gotm16 game announcement page:

http://gotm.civfanatics.net/games/gotm16_rome.shtml

Also we have somewhere between 6 and 10 player positions still open in these two QSC games Even though the list looks long, you have to remember that I will divide you up into two different player pools of 8 to 12 players per pool, so each game wil lstill seem fairly small and cozy even though we will be collecting lots of parallel data.

Good luck to you all,

cracker

Cracker,

I'm not sure I understand. Are you saying those of us who are going to be playing in the QSC c2 should now download the starting position of GOTM 16?

Do you mean for us to play this a bit before the QSC game begins?

Will the starting position for each game be the same? (that is - QSC and GOTM16?)

I think I have misunderstood you because it seems in the last QSC we all started at the same time.

stwils

@stwils: I think crackers post was to inform players that GOTM16 is out and he is encouraging players to complete QSC16 and get a good jump on the GOTM before overcommitting and playing QSC - C2 and GOTM 16 at the same time.

QSC16 has nothing to do with this SG but cracker, I think, would like to see all players who wish to submit QSC16 to do so before this game starts.

Hotrod

I only want to play QSC c2.

So shall I not download the GOTM16?

stwils:confused:

If you don't want to play 16 then you don't have to download it. Unless I am way wrong here Gotm or QSC16 are not required to be apart of QSC-C2

Hotrod :)

I'll do it, My Rome QSC is already finished, just have to write it up, fix the screenshots and submit.

Hotrod has the process figured out pretty well.

This game will crank up on the 10th of February so you need to plan ahead and get Qsc16 and Gotm16-Rome pretty much out of the way before then so you do not end up over committed.

The intent of these two games will be to test the setup of the Civ3 equivalent version to PTW and a civilization that will paly with exactly the same characteristics as Carthage. This same civilization setup will be used in the Civ3v1.29 option for the Gotm17 game that will be available to play on March 1st.

I'm in if it's not full yet.

PattonTwo

Actually I started writing up a QSC timeline for GOTM16, then got distracted (ie. received orders from girlfriend), then played on well past 1000BC, completely forgetting to save the game and complete the timeline...

Oh well, such is life. I'll wait until she has to go to one of her evening work-related meetings before I attempt any QSC-2 sessions...

Originally posted by cracker:
The intent of these two games will be to test the setup of the Civ3 equivalent version to PTW and a civilization that will paly with exactly the same characteristics as Carthage. This same civilization setup will be used in the Civ3v1.29 option for the Gotm17 game that will be available to play on March 1st.


Hmmm... it will be interesting seeing how this works, as far as the barbarian AI, upgradeability of swordsmen, and how AI trade/diplomacy works. The Numidian mercenary can be easily duplicated by adding a unit file to Civ3, but most other subtle modifications in PTW will be difficult to duplicate in Civ3. After we've gone through this QSC process, if those on the GOTM team involved in working on the programming wouldn't mind, I for one would like to see how it was done. However, I understand if it would be too much work running effectively 2 QSCs and 1 GOTM at the same time to report on the programming.

I am interested in playing though it would be my first succession type game.

Sorry, I changed my mind. Please remove me from the list. GOTM 16 is taking a while and I don't want it to interfere with another GOTM commitment.

(Maybe I should sleep less. :) )

All but finished with GOTM16. PM sent.

I thought Cracker said QSC 2 was starting up today. Is this correct?

stwils

First let me apologize for being slow to get this uploaded so that you can all get started.

There is a great deal of information to go with starting this game so forgive me for its length and please be patient as we get started over the next two days.

I will open two different threads for game progress reports and these will correspond to the groups listed later in this setup info.

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First let's cover the game details:

The setup for these two games is identical in every aspect except for difficulty.

The format for the QSC game will emphasize the early part of the game, but this game file has been configured to replicate the implementation of a number of details that are included in the Play the World expansion pack.

We will provide you with more details of the features that effect play in the last two ages of the game when you have completed play of the QSC turns. Initially you should know that:

Outposts are disabled for all civilizations
The upgrade path for warriors beyond swordsmen is disabled
The upgrade path for archers beyond longbowmen is disabled
The units on these two upgrade paths in PTW (the Mace and Rambo units) are disabled for all civilizations.
The added city improvements of: The Stock Exchange, Civil Defense, and Port-of-Entry have been included in the game along with the Internet great wonder and the relocated Wall Street. The Civilopedia entries for these features have not been updated to reflect their true attributes as these will be provided to you at a later date.
Barbarian tribes have the ability to have workers that you can capture and put to work expanding the glory of your empire.

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neoCarthage is the only equivalent civilization to a PTW civ that is included in the game. Carthage used a number of hired mercenaries to provide military forces to expand their influence during their period as an ancient world power. Your unit in this game is the Spartan Mercenary much like the Numidian Mercenary and hired Iberian Spearmen who may have been used by Carthage in other conflicts. The stats and characteristics for your Spartans are identical to the Numidians and can be accessed within the Civilopedia of your game.

This game setup does not include all the special features that will be included in the Gotm17 game that will be opened for play on March 1st. All the features of neoCarthage that effect how the civilization will play are set as they will be in the Gotm17 game.

neoCarthage is Commercial and Industrious to match the characteristics set in PTW for her namesake. The Warrior Princess Hannabaline, half sister to Hannibal and Mago, is your Queen and your leader and to conserve graphics space there is a very strong rumor that she is descended from similar genetic stock that will later give rise to well known French maid.

The game settings for your games include:
Scope of the Game:
• Civilization: neoCarthage
• Difficulty: Emperor –or- Regent (please play in your designated group)
• World size: 3200 tiles (Standard 80x80)
• Landmass: Continents 70% water
• Geology: old (5 billion)
• Environment: temperate, normal
• Barbarians: Roaming, watch for barbarian workers
• Rivals: 7 Preset (no added bonuses)

You may read more about what the scope of the game statement may mean by using the GOTM page on that subject at:

http:\\gotm.civfanatics.net\games\scope_of_game.sh tml

The progress of the game will be in blocks of 10 turns per block and you need to make sure you save a file at the end of each 10 turn block. These saves should be at the end of your turn before you hit enter to progress to the letting the AI move and then progress to the next year.

There will be 4 rounds of play with 3 blocks of turns in each round.

The target save dates for the files that we ask you to upload for data analysis will be:

3550 BC (turn 10)
3050 BC (turn 20)
2590 BC (turn 30)
------ First reports with timelines and save file uploads by Thursday February 13th
2190 BC (turn 40)
1790 BC (turn 50)
1525 BC (turn 60)
------ Second reports with timelines and save file uploads by Sunday February 16th
1275 BC (turn 70)
1025 BC (turn 80)
775 BC (turn 90)
------ Third reports with timelines and save file uploads by Wednesday February 19th
570 BC (turn 100)
370 BC (turn 110)
170 BC (turn 120)
------ Fourth reports with timelines and save file uploads by Sunday February 23rd

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When you are ready to upload save files, please make sure that they are named in the format of: nnnnnnnn_QSC_C2x_bcyyyy.sav

Where nnnnnnn is your player name
x is either e for emperor or r for regent
yyyy is the year number

This will make sure that all the uploaded files look similar but are unique.

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The player pool for this QSC is divided into two groups and each group has its own progress report thread. A challenging aspect of this QSC type format is for each player to play your own game and to try and not let the things that your see from other players influence or distort your decision making. In reality this is virtually impossible but we still as you to try and stay on track with the strategy that you choose and the things you can see in your own specific game. To help this process along, try not to visit the game progress thread for the other half of the player pool until the moderator indicates that is OK in your half of the progress thread. Depending on how the two groups progress, we will merge the discussions very quickly to let everyone compare and comment of the differences in progress.

The two player groups are in a sort of informal competition against each other to see which group can get further towards building a civilization that will support the objective of a DOMINATION victory in the allotted 120 turns QSC period. In this respect, territory, population, and militray power will play a significant role in your scoring progress. We will adjust the difficulty weighted QSC factors of technology costs to equalize the two groups, but all other point factors should be equivalent.

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To setup and play the game you must first download and install the Spartan Hoplite unit folder. You can download this folder in the exact form that you will require to play the game by clicking on the link below:

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads2/Spartan_Hoplite.zip

you can also view the sample animation and original description of this unit at:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?postid=608842#post608842

Once you have the zip folder containing your Unique Unit, you should open the zip folder and find a single folder inside named “Spartan Hoplite”. Cut and paste this entire folder into your /Civilization III/Art/units/ folder and you should be immediately ready to play the game.

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The two player groups have been divided up to provide a little diversity without totally disregarding you play experience. Please play in your group and you will be rewarded with honor and glory plus an experience of immeasurable worth. The rules allow you to switch and continue play from the ending save file of any other player in your group but we will ask that you hold off on this decision at least for the first 60 turns if at all possible.

The Two Player Groups are: QSC-C2e (where e is for emperor)
Charis
Hotrod
Justus II
Borealis
Meldor
Arizona Steve
Swiftsure
Karasu
Flexo
drewshark
Emperor Game Progress Thread (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=44161)

QSC-C2r (where r is for regent)
Skyfish
Stwils
Zagnut
Takeo
McDan
Ronald
Zenga
Nightfang
PattonTwo
Singularity
Regent Game Progress Thread (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=44163)

If you proceed to your respective game progress thread, you will find the link to download the correct starting save game file for your group.

I was wondering if it's possible to play the QSC-C2 map with play the world using the actual cartheginians?

I'm asking this because I just got PTW and figured I should practice a bit before trying a GOTM with it. Playing this map would allow a comparison with all the timelines being generated in the Vanilla civ version.

It seems like it would be good for comparisons and would give some advanced notice if comparisons in GOTM17 will suffer?

Of course, I would need to finish GOTM16 to try this, but maybe some other players would take advantage of this. Just thought it might be of some use.

Nope! note possible as configured. There are some hidden issues in PTW that make existing game files incompatible without intervention.

You can feel free to shadow QSC-C2 in Civ3v1.29 as it will give you some additional insight.