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Goonie
Jan 30, 2003, 04:26 PM
This is the way I think we should work things.

For every 4 citizens, we have a constituency. Every citizen will be randomly put into a constituenct which they cannot leave. If they leave the DG, any new citizen will take their place.

Governmental postitions.

MP= Member of Parliment

President - Our head of state! Is the DP!

Prime Minister
-Appoints Minister of FA(Must be an MP)
-Appoints Minister of Defence(Must be an MP)
-Appoints Minister of the Interieur(Must be an MP)

Member of Parliment

Govenors
-In charge of build queues.

Judiciary
-Prosecuteur
-Public Defender
-Judge

Any person may run for MP and in any constituency. But you may not run in more than one constituency. After the election of MP's, they all get toghther and can self nominate or nominate others to be Prime Minister. Then all the MP's vote for their chose of Prime Minister. The Prime Minister then appoints all the Ministers that compose the cabinet.

The Judiary elections are for the whole nation and take place at the same time as the elections for MP.

The whole nation votes on govenors.

You may not hold more than one office unless we are short.

Every contituency votes for their choice of MP. They dont have to vote as a block, but that MP is their representation in Parliment. You do not have to run in you constituency.

The parliment votes on policy and everything. Citizens can voice their input, but the only people with votes that are official are MPs.

MP's are encouraged to listen to the their constituency of they wouldn't get re-elected!

How to Become an MP 101!

1.Pick you riding or constituency.
2.Nominate yourself or get someone to nominate you.
3. Let the election happen

How to become a Govenor

1.Pick your province
2.Nominate yourself or get someone to nominate you.
3.Let the election happen.




What do you think?

Stuck_as_a_Mac
Jan 30, 2003, 04:30 PM
Constistuary sounds like political group...
Other then that, its okay.
Couldnt we just use our COL?

Goonie
Jan 30, 2003, 04:31 PM
Its not. Constituency is what we use in Canada. Its an area. For example their are 4 in PEI. So PEI has 4 MP's. Get it?

Stuck_as_a_Mac
Jan 30, 2003, 04:33 PM
Oh, so its like states here in the US and the Senate?

Goonie
Jan 30, 2003, 04:36 PM
Nope. Alot smaller. There are 303 constituencies in Canada. That means 303 MP's. There are responsible for an area or community. In cities, they are small and out in the country they are big.

WildFire
Jan 30, 2003, 04:37 PM
So is that like the same thing as a governor? Or related to it?

Goonie
Jan 30, 2003, 04:38 PM
Read the post. Its explained. I need citizend input. Does anything need to be changed?

naervod
Jan 30, 2003, 04:40 PM
Sounds good to me...

CivGeneral
Jan 30, 2003, 04:53 PM
Sounds good :). Although I am more comfortable having an Electon for Minister of FA, Defence, and Interieur

@Goonie: How does one become a MP :)

Plexus
Jan 30, 2003, 05:16 PM
I say we use our COL as a model, I am just not comfortable with no elections for FA, Domestic, Military or whatever.

Goonie
Jan 30, 2003, 05:18 PM
It is more realistic this way! A good PM will pick a strong cabinet!
They are elected!
They are elected to Parliment!
I think this is a more intresting type of government!

Civanator
Jan 30, 2003, 05:25 PM
I'm confused, i say we use the standard rules.

Goonie
Jan 30, 2003, 05:31 PM
Responsibilties of an MP.

Vote on all policy issues and laws brought forth to the House of Commons. Dont neglect you constituency.

Prime Minister

Is an MP. Dont neglect your duties as MP. You are the head of the Cabinet. Appoint all necessary Ministers.

Minister of Defence

Bring forth to the Parliment Defence policy. Bring forth Attack and Defence plans!

Minister of the Interieur

Bring forth Domestic issues to the Parliment.

Minister of Foreign Affairs

Talk to the other teams. Declare War, Make peace. You are our outside connection to the other teams. Bring forth all Foreign affairs issues to the parliment

Minister of Trade

Make trade deals. Give your deals to the FA to show the other teams. Bring forth all trade issues to parliment.

All Ministers are MP's!

Govenors

Same as we do it in the other DG. Parliment can oust any Queues.

Goonie
Jan 30, 2003, 05:32 PM
Judiciary is only there to prosecute spyers. :shifteyes:

Goonie
Jan 30, 2003, 05:33 PM
If anyone doesn't get something, please ask me.

Goonie
Jan 30, 2003, 05:45 PM
Benefits of this system

The Decisions lay in an elected Parliments hands.

We will not have random people voting.

A good Prime Minister will bring a good government with him.

This rewards veteran MP's with chances at being Ministers.

WildFire
Jan 30, 2003, 05:50 PM
When are we going to have votes for electing Governors, advisors etc.

Goonie
Jan 30, 2003, 05:53 PM
Once the game starts. We dont even have provinces yet :)!

Eklektikos
Jan 30, 2003, 05:57 PM
Personally I'd prefer a more direct democracy, rather than a parliamentary one. :)

Immortal
Jan 30, 2003, 06:03 PM
Me too Ek, a direct democracy with the same leaders we have now.

Side note: Our Lower house (the one Goonie is referring to) is the same as the American congress.

Goonie
Jan 30, 2003, 06:07 PM
See, whenever I propose something it never works. I suck at this! Why so direct? Then you have people voting that maybe dont know whats going on. MP's will be responsible and we have a better chance at winning this way!

Immortal
Jan 30, 2003, 06:12 PM
You dont suck, its just we have a tried and tested system in the demogamne, why would we want to make such a drastic change?

Goonie
Jan 30, 2003, 06:13 PM
Because this will give us a competitive edge! Look at my compromis in the polls section.

donsig
Jan 30, 2003, 07:49 PM
Originally posted by Immortal
You dont suck, its just we have a tried and tested system in the demogamne, why would we want to make such a drastic change?

It is the demogame's CoL and CoS that suck. Let's use the constitution, add in the game play restriction from the COL and just start with that. We can then add laws as we find we need them. When adding laws we can always borrow straight from the CoL and CoS or use them as a basis. Just think about it, we can play this game without PIs. :)

I've already proposed basing terms on game years rather than the real calender. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?postid=726991#post726991)

It would be a very bad idea to hold monthly elections here. Since we'll basically have the same people as in the SP demogame why run elections at the same time and confuse everyone?

Goonie
Jan 30, 2003, 07:53 PM
I agree with your election platform. Please post in this sub forum!

Vander
Feb 03, 2003, 02:31 AM
Well, Would the constituency have to be based in the same area for the whole game?
What happens to the citizens that arn't in a constit. yet?
do the members of a constit. do anything when they don't hold an office?

Goonie
Feb 03, 2003, 07:07 AM
Unfortunately this proposal got shot down in the polls :(!

Goonie(unbanned :)

Octavian X
Feb 03, 2003, 04:26 PM
I would much rather scuplt a governement around our current developed ruleset, with a few changes, namely in the combination of duties.

Combine Domestic and Culture in Interior
Combine FA and Trade into Dept. of State
Combine the Judicial Branch into a single Chief Justice

Other than those small changes, I believe we should use our current system.

Gingerbread Man
Feb 05, 2003, 08:52 PM
It seems you Americans dont understand the Westminster government, nor any Commonweath parliaments.

What I think goonie was trying to say that every four citizens elect one leader, or MP, to represent their 'constituent'. In australia it is called an electorate. you live in an electorate, and you vote for somebody to represent your electorate. Except an electorate is supposed to contain about 80,000 people who live in a similar area.

The MP's vote on things that concern the entire nation.

Before the MP's are elected, they say who they will elect as the President if they get voted in. If they do get elected, they make their vote for the president.

The provinces (over here we call them 'States') have seperate electorates also. except you are electing state MP's, who vote on matters concerning your state (as in where you live, not your condition)

on an unrelated matter, lets change the system of how we vote. the way it works - we all vote, as usual, except we all make a 2nd preference. But the poll only counts if more than 50% of the voters vote for the winner. If, by the time all the first preferences are counted, and over, nobody is over 50%, the candidate with the least votes is eliminated, and the 2nd preferences are counted for all the people that voted for the eliminated candidate.

I heard somewhere that in an american election, there are only two candidates, which means that the winner never has less than 50% of the votes. The system described above lets there be three candidates, and the winner will still have more than 50% of the votes. With slight modification, there can be 4, 5, 6, or 100 candidates, but the winner will always have more than 50% of the votes.