View Full Version : Term 6 Ministry of Foreign Affairs: Let's give peace a chance.
Feb 01, 2003, 12:29 PM
Foreign Affairs Ministry
Minister of Foreign Affairs: Eyrei
Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs: Feodor Argent (unconfirmed)
Junior Minister of Foreign Affairs (chat rep): cheetah (unconfirmed)
Feb 01, 2003, 04:53 PM
Please vote in this council vote (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=43293) for governor, PD, and JA.
Feb 03, 2003, 07:32 AM
I'm not sure I like the title you've chosen but I do think it is time to make peace with India. Has there been any movement towards a decision on this?
Feb 03, 2003, 07:53 AM
If we conquer India, we get another rep hit. We had to get the Aztecs because no one else wanted to.
Feb 03, 2003, 08:53 AM
The Chinese will take out India soon enough. The more jungle they have to clear while doing so, the better off we will be.
Hopefully we will have a consensus on this. Is there really any great chance of any of our Indian conquests flipping?
Feb 03, 2003, 09:13 AM
Please post a link to the Term 5 thread in the first post of this thread.
Feb 04, 2003, 10:13 AM
We seem to have forgotten about our little war with Hammurabi. Can the FA Dept. help our citizens to refocus on this war?
Feb 04, 2003, 12:09 PM
Certainly. We could use an assesment of Babylon's military situation, however. If they've lost the ability to recruit new units, than we should be safe from any invasion ourselves and capable of taking the offensive whenever we feel like it.
Do we feel like it? I think a poll has been set for that purpose.
Feb 09, 2003, 08:39 AM
I was looking over some trades and relations to better familarize myself with today's world. I have found a quite juicy offer from Greece:
MPP, 206gpt for MPP, gems!!!!
Granted, the very nature of a MPP changes the current strategy of the game, not to mention outright dangerous.
Pros: "Let us draw off the wealth of distant nations" ;)
- It would VASTLY increase science output (we could possibly go very near, or at 100% and still generate income - based on current scientific data). We can get Medicine in 10 turns at 100%, but at a deficit of 124gpt. The deal would change that to a surplus.
- It would solidify relations with Greece
- The extra income would let us keep a head up in science
- We can cut down on Greece's research time
- It will speed up our research of Medicine (and steam) - that means within 2 full (10 turn) turn chats if we're lucky.
- If Greece cancels the deal, it's a rep hit for them.
- Greece has an MPP with England, so England WILL fight Persia. Also, France is in the war against Persia.
- Greece is commercial, so they can recoup the wealth.
- Greece has generally been peaceful this game.
- Greece, France, England and us have a common enemy - Persia.
- If not used for science, we can upgrade our units, and rush buildings/units.
Cons: "Gimme more SOLDIERS noble leader...!" :soldier:
- MPPs means war with a potential trading partner/ally if they decide to attack Greece.
- MPPs can get ugly quick if we don't know how to use them.
- Our income would be reduced to a much smaller amount with 100% science (but could be negated by trade)
- Greece could get bold and start attacking other nations (bringing us into the war)
- It would disrupt our 0% strategy, and we'd need to tread carefully with an MPP strategy.
Feb 09, 2003, 09:18 AM
It wouldn't necessarily affect our science strategy. We could use the extra funds to upgrade our pikemen. That MPP is worth the upgrade cost of ALL of our pikemen.
Feb 09, 2003, 09:23 AM
Give that Greece is already allied with us to fight the Persians, it is unlikely that this MMP is going to involve us in any more wars than we already have going. If it solidifies our position with the English, that itself is a great advantage.
If we can't make up our minds to conquer Babylon, we can always ship our elite military to the eastern front and let them battle the Persians on English soil.
Feb 09, 2003, 09:56 AM
I'd really like to see a discussion on this, then a poll for the turnchat on Tuesday.
Feb 09, 2003, 12:27 PM
Feb 09, 2003, 05:23 PM
Feb 09, 2003, 05:24 PM
In the citizens forum.
Feb 10, 2003, 06:37 AM
I also wish to bring up the fact that our military strength is WEAK against the Persians! I'd like to see the Babylonian war stop so that we aren't overrun by rampaging Persian forces (in the worst case scenario that our friends are destroyed).
Feb 10, 2003, 06:43 AM
The Greek deal can be used to modernize our entire defensive force. 47 units going from 1/3/1 to 4/6/1 is an increase of offensive capability of almost 100 points and defensive strength of over 140. A 240 point addition to our force level will definitely make us stronger than the Persians.
Feb 10, 2003, 07:45 AM
How did you come up with those force numbers? (100, 140...)
Feb 10, 2003, 07:57 AM
Attack strength going from 1 to 4, times 47 units = 141. Defense strength going from 3 to 6, times 47 units = 94.
Army strength is figured by aggregating the total offensive and defensive strength of all units. Upgrading our pikes would make us the preeminent military power in the world again.
Feb 10, 2003, 08:21 AM
Wouldn't defense also be 141? (since it's a change of 3 for defense?)
Feb 10, 2003, 08:30 AM
Well...using real math it would. You see, my special math has 6 minus 3 equaling 2. :confused:
So the increase would be 141 for attack and 141 for defense. A total increase of 282 for our military strength rating.
Feb 10, 2003, 01:17 PM
Not to sound naive, but shouldn't we worry about spending massive amounts of gold/shields upgrading our Pikemen after we've upgraded the rest of our defenses? The upgrading and redeployment of the muskets and catapults we already have will take many turns. I've seen no discussion of this topic anywhere except in a couple of build queues and Donavan's domestic plot.
Feb 10, 2003, 01:48 PM
BTW, I just checked Babylon, and they would sign a peace deal for: 231g, 1gpt.
Of course, we have 3 turns left on our alliences. I just hope we have some border troops upgraded so our next enemy doesn't choose us. :)
Feb 10, 2003, 07:50 PM
Of course, we have 3 turns left on our alliences. I just hope we have some border troops upgraded so our next enemy doesn't choose us. I'll amen that one. Begging for a Russian attack is one thing -- their eastern provinces should be a walkover -- but keeping that mix of antiques on the eastern frontier is just asking for trouble.
I have a note somewhere stating that the Department of Offence is working on the redeployment issue. Hopefully in time for the next TC.
If the English road net is in better shape than it looks, the Persians could be within a turn of Leningrado already. In theory, bringing Greece and France into the war should divert them. In theory.
We sure could use some scouts and envoys.
Deputy Foreign Affairs Minister
(Newly decked out in the standard high hat, tails, and umbrella, along with a wolverine-fur coat. It's cold in Bavaria in the winter.)
Feb 10, 2003, 10:05 PM
eyrei, please vote in this council vote involving poll procedure.
Feb 14, 2003, 09:13 AM
This discussion (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=44404) shows support for giving aid to England. There isn't time for a seperate discussion thread and poll on this issue. Please instruct the President to give military tradition and iron to the English. Please arrange to have horses exported to them as well if they need them.
Feb 15, 2003, 08:18 AM
England also has no saltpeter! I say we gift it to them. Also, several interesting developments have occured in the last turn chat. Please see that turn chat thread for more info.
Feb 15, 2003, 08:42 AM
Please cast your vote in this council vote (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=44614) for Science leader and deputy.
Feb 19, 2003, 12:54 PM
Please participate in these Council Votes to amend the Code of Standards:
Council Vote to Amend CoS Section F(New) (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=45015)
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Feb 24, 2003, 09:55 AM
Lord eyrei, Minister of all Affairs Foreign to Fanatika...
Isn't there a nice little war somewhere begging for our involvement so that we might get our minds off of making new laws and back onto making progress in the game? ;)
Retiring Chief Justice and a concerned citizen...
Feb 24, 2003, 03:09 PM
I would like to see the RoP treaties signed to the Americans and other nations that are in the military's Plan (Ie heading to Persia)
If it has not been done so already :).
Mar 04, 2003, 06:03 AM
Term 7 thread (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=46222)