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Jarrema
Aug 09, 2011, 01:36 PM
Rules: Stolen from Zack and modified as needed
1. Adhere to the forum rules. Obviously.
2. Day and Night are both 24 hours (with small exception of Day one, 25 hours and 24 minutes).
3. During the Day Phase, you may vote for who you believe to be guilty.
4. Votes must be bolded.
5. If you wish to change your vote, you may simply bold another player's name. No unvotes or strikeouts required.
6. Whoever has the most votes at the end of the day phase will be lynched, and the game will advance to night. Exception is day 1, when you need absolute majority (9 votes) to lynch someone.
7. During the night phase, people would sent night orders to mel. You may talk during the night phase. Try not to get too spammy.
8. If you are dead, you are no longer able to vote, or reveal any of your previous night actions or claim anything you did while alive that isn't present in the thread. You may indicate who you believe is mafia/town/whatever, however. But unless you use their in-thread behavior as a reason, or give no reason, you are not allowed to explain why.
9. Private communication is allowed
10. Do not quote any message I (or anyone else) may send you; you must use your own words. This means you can never quote your role PM and copy it here in this thread, or reveal it privately.
11. No Lynch is NOT allowed. Abstain is allowed. Inactivity at voting will result in replacement after three consecutive days.
12. Alignment and role is revealed upon death.
13. No spam or editing posts, save for grammatical fixes.


Additional rules:

14. Every player would try to collect victory points. The more points you get, the better. Every player would have opportunity to collect 10 victory points. Vanilla townie victory conditions and points would be: 6 points for town victory; 3 points for surviving till the end of a game (possible only if town is victorious); 1 point if you participated in lynching more mafia and neutral players than in lynching other townies.

15. Defeat/victory status is based on number of points collected:
0 victory points: total defeat
1-2 victory points: major defeat
3-4 victory points: minor defeat
5 victory points: draw
6-7 victory points: minor victory
8-9 victory points: major victory
10 victory points: total victory

16. Wounds system:
a. Attacked person can get wounded instead of being killed (1 chance in 2, but it can be modified by abilities)
b. Wounded person cannot take any night actions (but can write in the thread and vote)
c. Wound is healed after full day and night cycle (for example, person wounded at Night 1 will be healthy again at Day 3)

Jarrema
Aug 09, 2011, 01:37 PM
Members of this small, american town were shocked, when body of Jarrema was found.
Jarema was a townie!
He was a mayor!


People decided to lynch the most suspiciously looking among them. Just in case.

Day 1 begins!
Day 1 would last a little more than 25h

During day 1 only, absolute majority of votes is needed to lynch someone


Alive:
1. Zack
2. Landlubber
3. Kennigit
4. Verarde
5. dcmort93
6. NarutoAvatarDBZ
7. bestrfcplayer
8. juKar-C
9.Choxorn
10. GamezRule
11.ATPG
12. Red Spy
13. Classical hero
14. Camikaze
15.Civplayah
16.Soutern King
17. TheLastDays

SouthernKing
Aug 09, 2011, 01:42 PM
EDIT: Jarrema, could you post a list of who is still alive and who is dead. That would really help. thanks :)

Ceoladir
Aug 09, 2011, 01:47 PM
:eek: SouthernKing must be scum! :run:

SouthernKing
Aug 09, 2011, 01:52 PM
FoS: GamezRule

Zack
Aug 09, 2011, 01:53 PM
:eek: Vote: GamezRule must be scum! :run:





Also, these standard rules? (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=9068488&postcount=3)

Verarde
Aug 09, 2011, 01:59 PM
:lol: Yes, SouthernKing needs to know who is left to kill.

SouthernKing
Aug 09, 2011, 02:04 PM
:lol: Yes, SouthernKing needs to know who is left to kill.

No, who to lynch. And first is GamezRule.

Ceoladir
Aug 09, 2011, 02:09 PM
SEEE!!!! EEVVIILLLLL!!!! EEEEEEVVVVVVIIIIIILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!! :eek: :run: :hide:

SouthernKing
Aug 09, 2011, 02:10 PM
SEEE!!!! EEVVIILLLLL!!!! EEEEEEVVVVVVIIIIIILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!! :eek: :run: :hide:

No, you are the evil one :mwaha:

landlubber
Aug 09, 2011, 02:17 PM
Vote: Classical_Hero.
Hey.

TheLastDays
Aug 09, 2011, 02:18 PM
vote: Zack

I don't like the way he looks at me

Red_Spy
Aug 09, 2011, 03:28 PM
TheLastDays has been living his last days.

bestrfcplayer
Aug 09, 2011, 06:31 PM
GamezRule for being way too powerful in Iron and Blood :p

choxorn
Aug 09, 2011, 06:31 PM
Verarde is 4th on the sign-up list. I get an uneasy feeling from this.

Zack
Aug 09, 2011, 06:32 PM
GamezRule for being way too powerful in Iron and Blood :p

Unvote, Vote: bestrfcplayer for third on the bandwagon.

SouthernKing
Aug 09, 2011, 06:33 PM
Well, there is a real good case against GamezRule :p he called me scum for requesting a player list :p

Ceoladir
Aug 09, 2011, 06:48 PM
Actually no. You were the first poster. That's all.

SouthernKing
Aug 09, 2011, 06:57 PM
Actually no. You were the first poster. That's all.

awww...:(

:joke: Never mind all that. But still vote: GamezRule

Turquoiside
Aug 09, 2011, 07:35 PM
Random says SouthernKing

bestrfcplayer
Aug 09, 2011, 07:39 PM
awww...:(

:joke: Never mind all that. But still vote: GamezRule

Voting for the SAME PERSON 3 TIMES!!! That puts a little blimp on my scumbar. Tiny FoS on SouthernKing.

dcmort93
Aug 09, 2011, 07:57 PM
I'll random Vote Kennigit

choxorn
Aug 09, 2011, 07:58 PM
Random? I find that hard to believe, NADBZ.

Camikaze
Aug 09, 2011, 08:17 PM
I tried out a random number generator and got 14. Vote: Camikaze. :(

Turquoiside
Aug 09, 2011, 08:21 PM
Random? I find that hard to believe, NADBZ.

I find that hard to believe.

choxorn
Aug 09, 2011, 08:26 PM
Wha... What?

Unvote, Vote: NarutoAvatarDBZ.

Zack
Aug 09, 2011, 08:32 PM
I find that hard to believe.

I find that hard to believe.

Verarde
Aug 09, 2011, 09:09 PM
Verarde is 4th on the sign-up list. I get an uneasy feeling from this.

Wha....

bestrfcplayer
Aug 09, 2011, 09:14 PM
I find that hard to believe.

I find all of this to believe.

Kennigit
Aug 09, 2011, 09:32 PM
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41moiTF6Y0L._SL500_AA300_.jpg

Kennigit
Aug 09, 2011, 09:39 PM
landlubber

bestrfcplayer
Aug 09, 2011, 09:47 PM
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41moiTF6Y0L._SL500_AA300_.jpg

I thought love was
Only true in fairy tales
Meant for someone else
But not for me
Love was out to get to me
That's the way it seems
Disappointment haunted
All my dreams

And then I saw her face
Now I'm a believer
Not a trace
Of doubt in my mind
I'm in love
I'm a believer
I couldn't leave her
If I tried

I thought love was
More or less a given thing
The more I gave the less
I got, oh yeah
What's the use in trying
All you get is pain
When I wanted sunshine
I got rain

And then I saw her face
Now I'm a believer
Not a trace
Of doubt in my mind
I'm in love
I'm a believer
I couldn't leave her
If I tried

What's the use in trying
All you get is pain
When I wanted sunshine
I got rain

And then I saw her face
Now I'm a believer
Not a trace
Of doubt in my mind
I'm in love
I'm a believer
I couldn't leave her
If I tried

Then I saw her face
Now I'm a believer
Not a trace
Of doubt in my mind
Now I'm a believer
Yeah, yeah, yeah
Yeah, yeah, yeah
I'm a believer
Then I saw her face
I'm a believer
Not a trace
Of doubt in my mind
I'm a believer

Now I believe.

Zack
Aug 09, 2011, 09:55 PM
Now I believe.
Hey now, you're an all-star.

Kennigit
Aug 09, 2011, 10:09 PM
the truth is out there.

that truth is that x-files > than other references.

juKar-C
Aug 09, 2011, 10:33 PM
Day 1 random vote

vote: The Last Days

Askthepizzaguy
Aug 09, 2011, 11:26 PM
I tried out a random number generator and got 14. Vote: Camikaze. :(

WHAT? You can't be serious. It is grossly irresponsible, lazy and downright INCONCEIVABLE that someone would offer to lynch THEMSELVES. If you are townie you'll never win any games this way, and if you're mafia, it only makes my suspicions on you increase. And furthermore, insert angry self-righteousness here! LOTS OF WORDS IN CAPITAL LETTERS!!! Questioning your sanity and loyalty to this team??? Disgust and disappointment written down as text. As text, I tell you. TEXT!!!

Vote: Camikaze

Camikaze
Aug 09, 2011, 11:33 PM
Well I can roll again if you want. :p

Askthepizzaguy
Aug 09, 2011, 11:34 PM
The random gods are never wrong except for that one time.

THE RANDOM HAS SPOKEN.

classical_hero
Aug 09, 2011, 11:48 PM
Vote:ATPG Random has spoken and random is good.

Askthepizzaguy
Aug 09, 2011, 11:49 PM
vote:atpg random has spoken and random is good.

fos: Classical liar

for lying about the random

Zack
Aug 09, 2011, 11:49 PM
Unvote, Vote: Camikaze

I HAVE BEEN SWAYED BY THE CAPITAL LETTERS.

TheLastDays
Aug 10, 2011, 03:12 AM
unvote, vote: Camikaze

let's kill it

classical_hero
Aug 10, 2011, 03:14 AM
fos: Classical liar

for lying about the random

Random came up with 11 and i was glad about that.

Askthepizzaguy
Aug 10, 2011, 03:41 AM
You can't vote for me because you're a liar who lies, and because you lie that means you're mafia. You and all your buddies are against me.

Insert 50 page speech about how you're a liar! :mad:

Jarrema
Aug 10, 2011, 07:46 AM
post 1 updated - I pasted standard (slightly modified) rules there.
Day 1 lasts a little more than 7 hours from now.

Camikaze
Aug 10, 2011, 07:50 AM
Well, unvote myself I guess. :p

I blame landlubber!

bestrfcplayer
Aug 10, 2011, 11:14 AM
unvote, vote: Camikaze

let's kill it

FoS: TheLastDays.

classical_hero
Aug 10, 2011, 12:07 PM
You can't vote for me because you're a liar who lies, and because you lie that means you're mafia. You and all your buddies are against me.

Insert 50 page speech about how you're a liar! :mad:

So many votes against you, just mine, so where are all my buddies?

Jarrema
Aug 10, 2011, 03:03 PM
End of day one is coming. People were talking and talking.
Two persons were most suspicious in the eyes of their brethens: Camikaze and SouthernKing. But, people have not decided to lynch anyone.
(as written in one of first posts, at day 1 absolute majority - nine votes - was needed for lynch).

Tally:
Camikaze - 3 (ATPG, Zack, TheLastDays)
SouthernKing - 3 (Gamezrule,Verarde, NarutoAvatarDBZ)
Gamezrule - 2 (SouthernKing, Bestrfcplayer)
Landlubber - 2 (Kennigit, Kamikaze)
TheLastDays - 2 (Red Spy, juKar-c)
ATPG - 1 (Classical Hero)
Kennigit - 1 (dcmort93)
Classical Hero - 1 (Landlubber)
NarutoAvatarDBZ - 1 (Choxorn)

Not voting: Civplayah

People went to their homes. Night 1 begins!

TheLastDays
Aug 10, 2011, 03:04 PM
FoS: TheLastDays.

I always get those.
Actually my vote comes from being used to the org. There's no full majority needed on D1 there and someone has to die.

Ceoladir
Aug 10, 2011, 07:05 PM
It's usually that way here. :)

Zack
Aug 10, 2011, 08:28 PM
Unfortunately.

Askthepizzaguy
Aug 11, 2011, 12:52 AM
Unvoting yourself, Camikaze? After appealing to the random.org enough to trust it to vote yourself in the first place??

You have defied the random. Now you must die.

Jarrema
Aug 11, 2011, 01:10 AM
I always get those.
Actually my vote comes from being used to the org. There's no full majority needed on D1 there and someone has to die.

It's usually that way here. :)

Unfortunately.

In this game, only at day one absolute majority was needed. Starting from the day two, lynch would always happen; If there would be tie, I will flip a coin (or maybe not, some things can influence ties)

Askthepizzaguy
Aug 11, 2011, 02:40 PM
Yeah, like the scumbags switching their votes to ensure a wrong lynch.

Jarrema
Aug 11, 2011, 03:58 PM
As day ended, people gathered together.
They were surprised - no one was killed at night!

Day lasts to 02:00 PM forum time

Askthepizzaguy
Aug 11, 2011, 04:03 PM
Honestly? Metagaming me Night One again?

Never fails. Never fails.

Askthepizzaguy
Aug 11, 2011, 04:04 PM
I'm going to vote for myself in every game that a night action happens to me on night one.

bestrfcplayer
Aug 11, 2011, 05:16 PM
vote: TheLastDays on the vote against Camikaze.

Askthepizzaguy
Aug 11, 2011, 05:19 PM
You reveal, and it will be the death of us both, mister roleblocker.

And by the way, I can link you to several games where when I am scum, I deliberately do not kill anyone on night one. I let my teammates do it, due to metagaming investigators and roleblockers. The lack of kill was not because of me.

You'll be extremely foolish to draw that conclusion.

Stay silent and do your thing. You can reveal in due time. I basically already revealed the pertinent data for you.

Askthepizzaguy
Aug 11, 2011, 05:23 PM
Vote: Askthepizzaguy

I was blocked while engaging in a night action. I will not reveal which action, I'm hoping I get picked off at night.

The vote is in protest of being N1 selected every game.

TheLastDays
Aug 11, 2011, 06:15 PM
vote: bestrfcplayer because he should at least try to come up with good reasons.

Ceoladir
Aug 11, 2011, 06:27 PM
I'm not getting in this TLD, bestrfc thing. ATPG because the pizza's cold! :mad:

Red_Spy
Aug 11, 2011, 06:29 PM
There are no good lynches right now, so lynch Gamezrule.

Verarde
Aug 11, 2011, 06:43 PM
tl;dr
XD

But seriously, Jarrema, I'm going to be asked to be replaced in this game, because I've got a lot happening and I can only concentrate on only one game at a time. Quite sorry.

Ceoladir
Aug 11, 2011, 06:45 PM
There are no good lynches right now, so lynch Gamezrule.
FoS: Red_Spy

landlubber
Aug 11, 2011, 06:46 PM
None of these cases are even remotely good besides bestrfcplayer and possibly GamezRule. I'll go for the former. Vote: bestrfcplayer.

landlubber
Aug 11, 2011, 06:47 PM
X-Post with Gamez. Why the FoS?

Kennigit
Aug 11, 2011, 08:26 PM
landlubber

Ceoladir
Aug 11, 2011, 10:58 PM
X-Post with Gamez. Why the FoS?
Because he said he voted me for no good reason.

Askthepizzaguy
Aug 12, 2011, 12:09 AM
GamezRule-

Tell me now, and be honest. If I were mafia, would I be the one doing the murders on night one? Do I need to post the links to games where I was mafia? I am consistent on this point.

Would I also out myself as being blocked and warn the roleblocker to stay silent about it, since it helps them survive to continue roleblocking and still conveys the information that they would erroneously find condemning, thus relieving them of the responsibility?

Why exactly are you voting for me.

Kennigit
Aug 12, 2011, 12:40 AM
GamezRule-

Tell me now, and be honest. If I were mafia, would I be the one doing the murders on night one? Do I need to post the links to games where I was mafia? I am consistent on this point.

if you were the killer of the mafia, yes.

this game =/= other games ;)



Would I also out myself as being blocked and warn the roleblocker to stay silent about it, since it helps them survive to continue roleblocking and still conveys the information that they would erroneously find condemning, thus relieving them of the responsibility?


maaayyyyybbbbeeeee?

Askthepizzaguy
Aug 12, 2011, 01:05 AM
If I am the killer on the mafia team, meaning the only killer, lynch me today.

And the answer to that maybe? is-

"Askthepizzaguy does WIFOM. Askthepizzaguy does WIFOM that makes some fricking sense."

classical_hero
Aug 12, 2011, 01:07 AM
Where is civplayah? He has not shown up yet, so why nt. Lurkers are not good for such a small game. vote:civplayah

Askthepizzaguy
Aug 12, 2011, 01:23 AM
Here, let me help you guys finally understand Askthepizzaguy.

I'm going to show you my playbook. Yes, you guys. You should be honored.

Here are some examples of me using WIFOM, that makes sense.

1) The Fight for Inishmore!

Askthepizzaguy was mafia. Askthepizzaguy had been self-voting on round one for several games because after winning as mafia, people got overly paranoid about Askthepizzaguy who was still almost always townie, and people needed to get "kill Pizzaguy" out of their system. So, I had been doing it and I had been getting lynched. I got the mafia role and couldn't avoid doing it again except by saying "Well I'm tired of that" which would probably get me some votes. So anyway, I said I volunteered to be the first lynch since I was vanilla and there were power roles in the game, and it would allow me to continue playing as townie without wasting endgame lynches. I'd have a free hand to accuse people. So I got several votes, but people complained that lynching me round one was getting boring, but said I should die anyway to prove a point about being helpful. So, I unvoted myself and voted for someone else. Eventually someone else got lynched.

The opposing mafia team, the detectives, other power roles, and the townies left me alone for pretty much the entire game. I went on to murder most of the power roles, lynch opposing scum, and keep myself and my godfather alive until the game host screwed over our team with his bad hosting.

THAT WAS WIFOM. That was calculated WIFOM that made some goddang sense.



2) The Hitchhikers' guide to the Mafia

I was the townie detective. I claimed Nightkill Immune day one and asked to be investigated by the town detective (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?p=5778574#post5778574). I said if I was mafia they could reveal and get me lynched, free scumbag. I said if I was townie, say nothing.

Obviously no one revealed. No one killed me either. I went on to out a bunch of scums and help win the game. There were 2 mafias and a serial killer and I wasn't murdered for at least 2-3 nights and I revealed that I was the cop, then I died.

THAT WAS WIFOM. That was calculated WIFOM that made some goddang sense.



3) The Shadow Fort

So I was by myself as a scumbag, I was once a neutral/townie with a goal to keep a townie alive, but I was recruited by a mafioso who was by himself, and promptly died. I had asked to be investigated, blocked, defended, all that good stuff... I helped direct the pro-town efforts and got a cult nearly wiped out. Had I been townie it would have been one of my best games as townie. If the townies had lynched me, they would have been grateful for my help.

Anyway, as I'm approaching the endgame they finally decide I'm scum, and so I admit I'm scum but that I worked danged hard that game and I was looking for a recruit, someone who wanted to win the game with me. All they had to do was vote with me this round and they'd win with me.

So I acted sooooo scummy and admitted my scum that they decided I was doing that to distract from the other lynch candidate that round, who I had been defending up and down all game as innocent, who was my original neutral partner and I knew wasn't mafia. They lynched him.

I went on to kill the detective, and his protection, and lynched the final townie and drew the game with the remaining opposing scum, but the host flipped a coin and I got second place.

THAT WAS WIFOM. That was calculated WIFOM that made some goddang sense.



4) That Creeping Darkness


So I'm a basic townie and the townies are facing three cults, and a mafia team with an indestructible godfather role. We're running around like chickens with their heads cut off. I also know there's a bunch of pro-town roles who just need some goddang time to do their fricking jobs.

I notice that Cultured Drizzt Fan is acting scummy. I claim detective and accuse him of being scum. They lynch him. Well, he wasn't mafia, he was a cult LEADER.

I was promptly murdered by the mafia. Too bad they hit a vanilla townie.

OOOOOPS!!!


THAT WAS WIFOM. That was calculated WIFOM that made some goddang sense.




Ladies and Gentlemen, if you think I am WIFOM'ing, at least explain to me what the purpose of keeping the roleblocker hidden would be? If I'm going down, why not at least out the roleblocker so I can make them die?

And why, dear townies, would I personally perform the N1 murder if I could help it?

When I WIFOM, it makes some goddang sense.


Don't believe me? lynch me. And don't cry when you see the results.

choxorn
Aug 12, 2011, 01:36 AM
ATPG's post hurts my brain, because it itself could also just be a clever ploy to try to make us not vote for him... unless that's just what he wants, because he wants us to lynch him and think he doesn't AAAAAAHHHH

More seriously now, I don't think he's mafia. I'm somewhat inclined to vote GamezRule and classical hero for voting for him, because scum just like voting for ATPG for no reason, especially if it's in a situation where they think they can get him lynched. Townies have been known to suffer from Pizzaguy Voteitis as well, but it seems to be a much more common affliction among mafia, and they both seem to be suffering from Pizzaguy Voteitis, so an FoS to both of you.

Askthepizzaguy
Aug 12, 2011, 01:40 AM
You know what's really funny choxorn?

choxorn
Aug 12, 2011, 01:44 AM
Yes. This picture is really funny:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-FVfX4graVhk/ThN8R083zJI/AAAAAAAAAA4/cBeEw2TwKxc/s320/really+funny+images-3.jpg

Askthepizzaguy
Aug 12, 2011, 01:45 AM
Yes. This picture is really funny:

I have better. :king:

choxorn
Aug 12, 2011, 01:47 AM
But... but Google Image Search said it was really funny! Did it lie to me? :(

Askthepizzaguy
Aug 12, 2011, 01:47 AM
But... but Google Image Search said it was really funny! Did it lie to me? :(

*whisper in your ear*

Ceoladir
Aug 12, 2011, 09:45 AM
Meh, unvote. Have fun children! :love:

Askthepizzaguy
Aug 12, 2011, 09:58 AM
You guys should be glad I'm not scum. That was far too easy.

I just wanted you to justify votes on me. I don't want a repeat of the last NOTW where I was the spirit mage and lynched on what, 3 votes and no real reasoning?

Vote if you must, but think before you lynch.

Zack
Aug 12, 2011, 10:09 AM
You guys should be glad I'm not scum. That was far too easy.

That's why I hate metagamey defenses, especially the "woe is me" card. It makes people feel bad for you, and therefore gets people to back off. It's the only reason ACIN won ATPG Mafia II; he ragequit, and so I backed off of him (this game's for fun, I don't want to hurt people's feelings or anything). Turns out, he was the head scum, and I was really freaking pissed.

I hate it when people pull on my emotions in these games, in that way, Pizza. I won't vote for you now, but if you're scum, I will be livid that you played the "woe is me" metagame card, and I will always target you on Night 1 if I'm mafia/innocent power role.

:)

These games are for fun. I don't want to hurt people's feelings, and neither does anyone else. Taking advantage of that enrages me; it's unethical and metagamey.

EDIT: No offense or anything. :) You have every right to complain about always getting targeted so early; it's just irritating to use that as your defense, to guilt people into not voting for you.

Zack
Aug 12, 2011, 10:14 AM
And to complete my rant, in which I hope I don't come off as too much of an ass-hole, Vote: askthepizzaguy. :ar15:

Askthepizzaguy
Aug 12, 2011, 10:17 AM
And to complete my rant, in which I hope I don't look like too much of a arsehole, Vote: askthepizzaguy. :ar15:

I have to check, but I am almost 100% completely dead certain that I've never* employed a sympathy tactic as scum. My tactics are to look as townie as possible, distance from teammates, and simply talk people out of it or ignore them.

I take the metagaming thing too seriously; I want people to listen to my complaints about it. And I always wait until the game is over to complain I was metagamed as a scumbag.

If I ever break from this pattern, I deserve no further benefit of the doubt.


*In Legend of Zelda, I claimed I needed a break from the game, but that was when Diana and I broke up. That one was real, and thus not a tactic.

Zack
Aug 12, 2011, 10:19 AM
Okay, just making sure it was WIFOM and not sympathy tactics. In that case, the vote stays anyways. :p

EDIT:

I take the metagaming thing too seriously; I want people to listen to my complaints about it. And I always wait until the game is over to complain I was metagamed as a scumbag.
No, no; complain to your heart's content about that. I never play Speed Mafia for the same reason.

Askthepizzaguy
Aug 12, 2011, 10:34 AM
Your vote on me seems very townie, Zack. I can excuse it.

dcmort93
Aug 12, 2011, 10:46 AM
I'm just gonna Vote Abstain for the moment

civplayah
Aug 12, 2011, 12:15 PM
ATPG, what will voting yourself accomplish besides letting others know that you don't want to be metagamed?

Jarrema
Aug 12, 2011, 03:03 PM
At the end of a day, all people gathered together/
They found that they cannot decide whom they want to lynch! So, one of them just throw the coin up...
And, they lynched Bestrfcplayer.
he was a townie! No, in fact he was a mafia! He was a bodyguard from Matsumoto family

Tally:
ATPG: 2 (ATPG, Zack)
Bestrfcplayer: 2 (TheLastDays, Landlubber)
Gamezrule: 1 (RedSpy)
landlubber: 1 (Kennigit)
TheLastDays: 1 (Bestrfcplayer)
Civplayah: 1 (Classical Hero)

Not voting: Civplayah, dcmort93, Choxorn, SouthernKing, Camikaze, juKar-C, Verarde, NarutoAvatarDBZ



Night 2 begins, I am awaiting orders

Civplayah, if you miss third vote in a row you will be WoG-ed

Askthepizzaguy
Aug 12, 2011, 04:12 PM
Eh? What?

Askthepizzaguy
Aug 12, 2011, 04:14 PM
ATPG, what will voting yourself accomplish besides letting others know that you don't want to be metagamed?

Nothing! It is a vote in protest, as I said.

Now that I've errr.... not died.... for no reason I'm aware of.... I suppose I can go back to not voting myself.

Was the round already over? I did not do that. Dead scum, really?

Kay.... kewl.

Red_Spy
Aug 12, 2011, 04:14 PM
Wait, what?

Askthepizzaguy
Aug 12, 2011, 04:16 PM
Tally, someone. I thought there were 2 votes on me.

Askthepizzaguy
Aug 12, 2011, 04:18 PM
OH SNAP! THERE WERE 2 VOTES ON BESTRFCPLAYER!


That's freaking LOL-WORTHY.


Do you guys believe I'm not mafia NOW??? :D :D :D

Askthepizzaguy
Aug 12, 2011, 04:20 PM
Hey, hey, uh..... I'm probably gonna get murdered, so I need you townies to pick two names.

TWO NAMES.

Hey, guy who roleblocked me, don't roleblock me. I'm gonna be firin' mah lazar tonight. You are going to hit the other name, okay?

And don't give me the name of the peeps who voted for bestrfc. Pick any other two names.

Askthepizzaguy
Aug 12, 2011, 04:33 PM
Townie doctor, protect me please.

I'll be back in 6-7 hours to post my decision. Like I said vote now for a more democratic way of choosing our night actions, mine is um.... yeah I can kill things.

KILL THINGS.

AND NOT JUST BY HILARIOUSLY LAME YET SIMULTANEOUSLY AWESOME TIES EITHER.

So we're gonna be killing one dude and blocking the other. And YOU get to have a say in it! Isn't that freaking grand?

Don't post your thoughts, and maybe I'll just decide to kill you instead. Meanwhile, listen to THIS MUSIC. Tick tock.... tick tock....




f3Yp_gdAHHE

SouthernKing
Aug 12, 2011, 04:40 PM
Um...no thanks.

Askthepizzaguy
Aug 12, 2011, 04:44 PM
Um...no thanks.

Fine, be lame. Tomorrow I'mma put myself in a tie with YOU!! :mad:

FEAR MY ODDLY DANGEROUS SELF-VOTE!!!

TheLastDays
Aug 12, 2011, 04:45 PM
HAHA that was grand. I have no idea on who you should target Pizza. I think you'd do a better job without much input.

Askthepizzaguy
Aug 12, 2011, 04:53 PM
Hey, you guys do realize I need to kick your [censored] for nearly killing me with only two votes, one of them being mine, right?

That round WAS completely lame, townies. You risked a repeat of the NOTW only this time I was your freaking vigilante. Not cool. And you metagamed me.

Remind me to kill you all later. Right now, it's scum killin' time. Thanks guys who voted bestrfc for trying and succeeding.

TheLastDays
Aug 12, 2011, 05:11 PM
I'll take the compliment and will count this as another point towards my badge ;)

Kennigit
Aug 12, 2011, 06:43 PM
is verarde being replaced? He asked in thread to be replaced.

Ceoladir
Aug 12, 2011, 06:50 PM
Hey, thank me. I unvoted and saved your butt. :)

Also, FoS: ATPG for so many posts in a row! :p :eek:

Verarde
Aug 12, 2011, 08:18 PM
What Mr. K said.

bestrfcplayer
Aug 12, 2011, 09:06 PM
I'm turning into Zack :cry:

Askthepizzaguy
Aug 12, 2011, 11:28 PM
HEY! I asked for some gosh dang targets people.

Chop chop! Don't make me use the random gods.

Jarrema
Aug 13, 2011, 01:32 AM
Verarde would be replaced.

juKar-C
Aug 13, 2011, 03:18 AM
Townie doctor, protect me please.

I'll be back in 6-7 hours to post my decision. Like I said vote now for a more democratic way of choosing our night actions, mine is um.... yeah I can kill things.

KILL THINGS.

AND NOT JUST BY HILARIOUSLY LAME YET SIMULTANEOUSLY AWESOME TIES EITHER.

So we're gonna be killing one dude and blocking the other. And YOU get to have a say in it! Isn't that freaking grand?

Don't post your thoughts, and maybe I'll just decide to kill you instead. Meanwhile, listen to THIS MUSIC. Tick tock.... tick tock....

What warrants you for a protection? Do we even have docs?

Askthepizzaguy
Aug 13, 2011, 05:04 AM
What warrants you for a protection?

I have a provable night action which I am offering to the town to use democratically, yet they've apparently left it up to me. Plus you don't have a claimed detective to protect.

Do we even have docs?

Maybe I'll find out tonight. But you should definitely post more... ;)

landlubber
Aug 13, 2011, 12:26 PM
HEY! I asked for some gosh dang targets people.
I don't even have a guess.

Jarrema
Aug 13, 2011, 03:04 PM
At the begining of a new day, two people were found dead!
First was dcmort93, apparently injured for a second time
He was from mafia!
He was a politician from Matsumoto family

Second was TheLasdDays
He was from mafia!
He was a hitman from Ramirez family

New glorious day begins

landlubber
Aug 13, 2011, 03:06 PM
ATPG, did you kill one of them? You lovable scamp, you.

bestrfcplayer
Aug 13, 2011, 03:08 PM
Ghost Comment: ATPG must be from the other mafia family! Kill him, so that our mafia family shall be avenged!

Ceoladir
Aug 13, 2011, 03:10 PM
Bestrfc raises a good point, but I find that somewhat unlikely.

Kennigit
Aug 13, 2011, 03:12 PM
Bestrfcplayer raises a good point, but I am ATPG's scum teammate and refuse to acknowledge perfectly reasonable accusations, particularly seeing that no night kill was done night 1 when ATPG claimed to be nightblocked and now 2 kills appear in night 2.

I just find it unlikely.

Red_Spy
Aug 13, 2011, 03:15 PM
So there is two mafia "families"? Plot twist.

Ceoladir
Aug 13, 2011, 03:17 PM
First was dcmort93, apparently injured for a second time

I think a kill might have been done on night one. It just wasn't fully successful and only injured dcmort.

He was a hitman from Ramirez family

At the same time, it looks like we have 2 families. I would assume the hitman does the killing, so if ATPG was in fact roleblocked, then TLD likely went back to finish dcmort, after failing the first time.

Kennigit
Aug 13, 2011, 03:28 PM
gamezrule

Ceoladir
Aug 13, 2011, 03:31 PM
Like I said, there was obviously something going on the first night, since dcmort was injured.

With that said, this might be OMGUSing, but Kennigit, why are you out to get me?

Kennigit
Aug 13, 2011, 03:44 PM
well, contrary to my sarcasm earlier, here are my thoughts:

yesterday--lynch vote on ATPG. Probably not teammates.
unvote on ATPG--there's not really a particular reason to unvote; it wasn't a bad choice (nailed bestrfcplayer, matsumoto ) in the end. but more relevant is you say atpg should thank you for saving him (and indirectly implying you are relevant in bestrfcplayer lynch).

so, then we see a ramirez family revealed and you just ignore bestrfcplayer's point there (I believe it's perfectly valid). And no one is denying stuff happened first night--makes sense if there is a failed kill on dcmort and atpg blocked or someone else failed a kill if atpg not scum.

Let's look at your mentality for a lynch vote yesterday. You're happy to vote ATPG, as you are of the ramirez family. You unvote as it doesn't really matter to you who is lynched, since bestrfcplayer isn't part of the ramirez family (and if ATPG wouldn't have a kill if he is ramirez, since we do assume the hitman does the kill for a family). If you're ramirez, either lynch doesn't matter (and we saw TLD vote for bestrfcplayer).

either lynch result you are happy to have happen, but are happy to wash your hands of the whole situation while also taking full credit for the lynch result ("oh, I saved ATPG and thereby helped get a scum!").

It's such an indirect, non-committal way to approach a game that a scum would love.

Red_Spy
Aug 13, 2011, 03:50 PM
My thoughts exactly, Gamezrule.

Ceoladir
Aug 13, 2011, 03:51 PM
Take a joke. I was kidding about saving ATPG. We got a mafia out of it, what is your problem?

Also, I act like this at the beginning of every game, what's so different about this one? :p

Kennigit
Aug 13, 2011, 03:58 PM
I dunno.

you know, it's not even about making a defense for yourself. people in mafia always harp over how people defend themselves; part of it can also be making a counter case.

if you aren't scum, if you don't have any guilt to your name, then you'd be willing to try to build a solid case as well.

Askthepizzaguy
Aug 13, 2011, 04:06 PM
Hey, I was blocked again last night. I'm starting to think mister roleblocker isn't townie, as such.

Well, either I'm not the only vigilante or the mafia teams targeted one another. In any case, I'm satisfied.

Kennigit
Aug 13, 2011, 04:11 PM
no I'M spartacus
no I was "roleblocked" last night ;)

choxorn
Aug 13, 2011, 04:12 PM
Alternatively, you're one of the mafia killers, and you're really, really, really, completely messing with all of us. The vigilante is more likely, but I know you're certainly capable of really, really, really, completely messing with people's heads.

Or maybe I'm just being paranoid.

Ceoladir
Aug 13, 2011, 07:44 PM
You know, I'm starting to get the feeling unvote; ATPG is really scummy.

Askthepizzaguy
Aug 13, 2011, 09:58 PM
Look I'll tell you exactly what I can do;

I'm a Police officer. I can kill, or I can perform a different action. Guess what that one is.

Basically, I am the single worst lynch in the game. But I'm already exposed so I'm nice and murder bait.

Let them keep blocking me, I don't give a flying investigation which determines mafia or innocent status.

They really should have killed me instead of each other, but hey, I'll take bad decisions from the scummers. They're edging out the townies in terms of who isn't performing well at this point. At least they're dying and we're not, hahaha!

Askthepizzaguy
Aug 13, 2011, 10:11 PM
And before you ask, here's the answer:

BECAUSE TRUE INVESTIGATORS SUCK DONKEY.... EARS.

At least vigilantes are a RISK. Investigators are totally [bleep]ing lame, lame, LAME.

choxorn
Aug 13, 2011, 11:12 PM
ATPG has just managed to convince me that he is really, really, really messing with us, and I'm not sure why, or what the intent is, but I do know how I'll respond.

Vote: ATPG

Askthepizzaguy
Aug 13, 2011, 11:22 PM
ATPG has just managed to convince me that he is really, really, really messing with us, and I'm not sure why, or what the intent is, but I do know how I'll respond.

Vote: ATPG

:lol: Don't even care.

Askthepizzaguy
Aug 13, 2011, 11:25 PM
Here you go.

Vote: Askthepizzaguy

Not even going to bother accusing anyone else this round, either. I dare everyone to lynch me.

classical_hero
Aug 14, 2011, 01:43 AM
Well ATPG does make a great case against himself. So vote:ATPG

Askthepizzaguy
Aug 14, 2011, 04:46 AM
unvote, vote: Classical

Toasty. Let's make it FOUR IN A ROW. BWAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!

landlubber
Aug 14, 2011, 10:08 AM
I call Jester.

Turquoiside
Aug 14, 2011, 12:43 PM
I call Jester.


This is what I'm worried about as well. But if he is scum, it's also possible he's just acting like a Joker. Vote:ATPG

Jarrema
Aug 14, 2011, 03:02 PM
Tally:
ATPG: 6 (Gamezrule, Choxorn, Classical Hero, Naruto)
Gamezrule: 2 (Kennigit, Red Spy)
Not voting: Civplayah, Landlubber, SouthernKing, Camikaze, juKar-C, Verarde, Zack
People gathered together. After a short speech, they decided to lynch ATPG. As they approached, ATPG pull a gun from his pocket and shouted: ‘I will not let myself be lynched by so ridiculously small number of people! You must try better than that! There was no lynch!
Night 3 begins!

Jarrema
Aug 14, 2011, 03:04 PM
Takhisis replaces Verarde!

classical_hero
Aug 14, 2011, 03:05 PM
Can you explain why you weren't lynched, ATPG?

Red_Spy
Aug 14, 2011, 03:09 PM
My money is he has to have a certain amount of votes, due to what he said.

Zack
Aug 14, 2011, 07:03 PM
A birdie once told me that townies warn the town if they have lynch resistance BEFORE they get lynched.

Funnily enough, that birdie was ATPG.

Askthepizzaguy
Aug 15, 2011, 12:30 AM
Can you explain why you weren't lynched, ATPG?

No, I can't. There's absolutely nothing in my role PM about said ability. That was not me, in spite of the flavor of the storytelling which apparently incriminates me.

And yeah, funnily enough, I did say that in previous games, and would be smart enough to mention I had lynch resistance in such a case.

Do what you like. I've gotten mod-screwed here because there is literally no possible way I can explain a no lynch because it is definitely NOT IN MY ROLE PM.

I'm not posting again in this thread. And I am a townie, and I am a Police officer, and I do have the ability to vig or true scan.

This is completely OOC and not game-related. Find someone to replace me.

classical_hero
Aug 15, 2011, 01:39 AM
The thread would be boring without you. Also how do you know if it wasn't someone else's ability? So far this game has been very crazy to say the least. So give the host some credit and see what happens.

Zack
Aug 15, 2011, 11:35 AM
No, I can't. There's absolutely nothing in my role PM about said ability. That was not me, in spite of the flavor of the storytelling which apparently incriminates me.

And yeah, funnily enough, I did say that in previous games, and would be smart enough to mention I had lynch resistance in such a case.

Do what you like. I've gotten mod-screwed here because there is literally no possible way I can explain a no lynch because it is definitely NOT IN MY ROLE PM.

I'm not posting again in this thread. And I am a townie, and I am a Police officer, and I do have the ability to vig or true scan.

This is completely OOC and not game-related. Find someone to replace me.
So you're leaving CFC...? :confused:

Jarrema
Aug 15, 2011, 03:00 PM
At the end of night, no new bodies were found.
Day 4 begins

Zack
Aug 15, 2011, 03:05 PM
Vote: Askthepizzaguy

Obviously.

Takhisis
Aug 15, 2011, 03:35 PM
Hello, I've finally gotten my Role PM. What's this with askthepizzaguy behaving like a lunatic?

choxorn
Aug 15, 2011, 04:02 PM
Vote: askthepizzaguy, or whoever replaces him.

Ceoladir
Aug 15, 2011, 05:31 PM
atpg.

Kennigit
Aug 15, 2011, 05:33 PM
atpg 5 char

Red_Spy
Aug 15, 2011, 05:37 PM
ATPG 5char.

landlubber
Aug 15, 2011, 08:07 PM
Vote: ATPG.

classical_hero
Aug 16, 2011, 12:12 AM
vote:ATPG it was a shame he quit.

Camikaze
Aug 16, 2011, 04:56 AM
I think I missed the memo on the ATPG wagon, but who am I to disagree?

Turquoiside
Aug 16, 2011, 11:05 AM
Vote: ATPG

civplayah
Aug 16, 2011, 11:40 AM
vote: ATPG

Jarrema
Aug 16, 2011, 03:08 PM
ATPG has been lynched!
He was a townie! He was a townie policeman!

Night begins

Tally: ATPG (Zack, Choxorn, Gamezrule, Kennigit, RedSpy, Landlubber, Classical Hero, Camikaze, NarutoAvatar, Civplayah)

Not voted: juKar-C, Takhisis/Verarde, SouthernKing

Takhisis
Aug 16, 2011, 05:06 PM
Stupid, stupid, stupid. Should have let him get WoG'd for inactivity while we lynched an actual scummioso.

Zack
Aug 17, 2011, 02:40 PM
Can you update the player list, please?

Jarrema
Aug 17, 2011, 03:04 PM
At the begining of new day, a lot of bodies were found
Choxorn was a mafia! He was a politician from Abbracciavento Family
Camikaze was a mafia! He was a politician from Kuznetsov Family
Civplayah was a mafia! He was a godfather of Matsumoto Family


List of living players:

Classical hero
GamezRule
juKar-C
Kennigit
Landlubber
NarutoAvatarDBZ
Red Spy
SouthernKing
Takhisis
Zack

Dead:

ATPG (Town)
Choxorn (Abbracciavento Family)
Camikaze (Kuznetsov Family)
TheLastDays (Ramirez family)
Bestrfcplayer (Matsumoto family)
Dcmort93 (Matsumoto family)
Civplayah (Matsumoto family)


New day begins

Ceoladir
Aug 17, 2011, 03:11 PM
That's a lot of mafia.

Verarde
Aug 17, 2011, 04:47 PM
Ghost comment: And all their usernames begin with C's.

Kennigit
Aug 17, 2011, 04:54 PM
gamezrule

civplayah
Aug 17, 2011, 05:14 PM
Oh, wow.

Red_Spy
Aug 17, 2011, 05:15 PM
That is..... wow.

Zack
Aug 17, 2011, 06:11 PM
Stupid, stupid, stupid. Should have let him get WoG'd for inactivity while we lynched an actual scummioso.
:huh:

Hello, I've finally gotten my Role PM. What's this with askthepizzaguy behaving like a lunatic?

(bolded for emphasis)

Takhisis
Aug 17, 2011, 09:30 PM
And? Pizzaguy eventually went on a ragequit.

Ceoladir
Aug 17, 2011, 09:56 PM
gamezrule
Seriously? I can't help but vote: Kennigit, at least until you explain this a bit.

Kennigit
Aug 17, 2011, 10:01 PM
I think I voted for you before the ATPG lynch, and I don't see any reason to change that vote.

classical_hero
Aug 18, 2011, 12:25 AM
This is one crazy game. vote:GamezRule

Jarrema
Aug 18, 2011, 07:19 AM
If juKar-C & SouthernKing will not vote, they will be WoG-ed

Ceoladir
Aug 18, 2011, 12:44 PM
This is one crazy game. vote:GamezRule
Why? All I'm asking for is a simple explanation.

Zack
Aug 18, 2011, 12:47 PM
This is one crazy game. vote:GamezRule
Vote: classical_hero for mindless bandwagoning.

Jarrema
Aug 18, 2011, 03:03 PM
GamezRule has been lynched!
He was Ramirez Family godfather

Also, for not voting several times in a row, juKar-C and SouthernKing are WoG-ed.

juKar-C was Kuznetsov Family godfather
SouthernKing was a hitman from Matsumoto family

Night begins

Alive:

Classical hero
Kennigit
Landlubber
NarutoAvatarDBZ
Red Spy
Takhisis
Zack

bestrfcplayer
Aug 18, 2011, 03:32 PM
Ghost Comment: So, one mafia left?

Turquoiside
Aug 18, 2011, 03:39 PM
I have to say...was that entirely fair Jarrema? The two in question only had a few hours to respond, and although they may have missed the last few days that doesn't mean they wouldn't have turned up by the end of the night...

Jarrema
Aug 18, 2011, 04:20 PM
I have to say...was that entirely fair Jarrema? The two in question only had a few hours to respond, and although they may have missed the last few days that doesn't mean they wouldn't have turned up by the end of the night...

Yes, you are partially right.
I was thinking about it, but in the rules I have written that inactivity at voting will result in replacement after three consecutive days. It was their fourth missed voting.
But surely, I shoul remind them about it earlier (at the begining of a day). I admit it is my fault as a host. I would say that I played according to the rules, but without compassion (or something like this - I lack proper english word)

Zack
Aug 18, 2011, 04:49 PM
I have to say...was that entirely fair Jarrema? The two in question only had a few hours to respond, and although they may have missed the last few days that doesn't mean they wouldn't have turned up by the end of the night...

Are you DBZ?

Turquoiside
Aug 18, 2011, 05:09 PM
Are you DBZ?

Yes. :yup:

Takhisis
Aug 18, 2011, 07:32 PM
Read his sig.

Zack
Aug 18, 2011, 07:35 PM
It wasn't there when I asked...

Takhisis
Aug 18, 2011, 07:38 PM
But it was there when I posted. :p

juKar-C
Aug 19, 2011, 06:09 AM
Noooooooooooo, my comp diedddddddd......=[ oh well, with my death it will end my family

Jarrema
Aug 19, 2011, 03:03 PM
At night, Red Spy was killed
He was a bodyguard from Abbracciavento Family

New day begins.

Takhisis, please vote today!

Zack
Aug 19, 2011, 03:04 PM
Vote: classical_hero

Caught him trying to kill someone.

classical_hero
Aug 19, 2011, 03:19 PM
Everyone has an ability of some sorts. I was active last night, but it was not killing someone. I don't know where you get your information from.

Zack
Aug 19, 2011, 03:24 PM
Everyone has an ability of some sorts.
And yours is killing people.

classical_hero
Aug 19, 2011, 03:27 PM
So what family are you from? We are all mafia here, who is left in the game. Only ATPG was not a mafia, which could explain why he was hard to get rid of. Your just as guilty as I am but you have revealed your rol, which is not a good thing. So to the other family, you know whom is more dangerous, since you have a confirmed roleblocker in our mi, so that is dangerous to anyone. vote:Zack

Zack
Aug 19, 2011, 03:32 PM
So to the other family, you know whom is more dangerous, since you have a confirmed roleblocker in our mi, so that is dangerous to anyone.Killing people isn't dangerous? :lol:

classical_hero
Aug 19, 2011, 03:49 PM
Well I can be killed the next night. You can roleblock someone from the other family and it will ruin their hopes, so therefore you are more dangerous.

Zack
Aug 19, 2011, 03:57 PM
Well I can be killed the next night. You can roleblock someone from the other family and it will ruin their hopes, so therefore you are more dangerous.
A confession! So you actually are a killer. I was just bluffing.

Takhisis
Aug 19, 2011, 09:28 PM
Can we have a list of players?

Jarrema
Aug 20, 2011, 01:36 AM
Sorry, here goes list of alive players:

Classical hero
Kennigit
Landlubber
NarutoAvatarDBZ
Takhisis
Zack

classical_hero
Aug 20, 2011, 04:19 AM
A confession! So you actually are a killer. I was just bluffing.

I said I can be killed, not that I killed.

Zack
Aug 20, 2011, 09:02 AM
I said I can be killed, not that I killed.

Oh, don't get into semantics.

Me: "classical_hero's a killer."

You: "No I'm not."

Me: "Yes you are."

You: "Well, I can just get killed the next night. You're more dangerous, because you're a roleblocker."

landlubber
Aug 20, 2011, 09:17 AM
Who would you suggest voting for, CH?

classical_hero
Aug 20, 2011, 11:45 AM
I have voted for Zack.

landlubber
Aug 20, 2011, 12:53 PM
Ah, I missed that. So, what are you, then? If you think a roleblocker is more dangerous than what you are.

Takhisis
Aug 20, 2011, 03:04 PM
Ah, so you're OMGUSing each other.

Kennigit, show yourself!

Zack
Aug 20, 2011, 03:08 PM
Ah, so you're OMGUSing each other.

Er, no. I was the first person to vote today. He's the OMGUSer (and killer).

Jarrema
Aug 20, 2011, 03:09 PM
Only three votes :(

At random, Zack has been lynched. He was corruptor from Ramirez family

Night begins

List of living players:

Classical hero
Kennigit
Landlubber
NarutoAvatarDBZ
Takhisis

Zack
Aug 20, 2011, 03:13 PM
You've got to be kidding me.

Jarrema
Aug 20, 2011, 03:15 PM
If I am correct, there was a triple tie... (someone may check it)
so, bad luck, Zack

classical_hero
Aug 21, 2011, 12:43 AM
That was a low turn out.

Jarrema
Aug 21, 2011, 02:26 PM
Due to personal reasons night will be extended for 18 hours (or little more). Next day would be a few hours longer too

Jarrema
Aug 22, 2011, 08:03 AM
End of extended night.

Two bodies were found:

Takhisis
He was a bodyguard from Kuznetsov Family!
Kennigit
He was a godfather of Abbracciavento Family!

Day last almost full 31 hours from now.
It is last day, obviously. Then, there would be last night. (I suppose)


List of living players:
Classical Hero
Landlubber
NarutoAvatar (or whatever he is called now)

landlubber
Aug 22, 2011, 09:48 AM
So, still two kills. That means that you are indeed, a hitman, right CH? Unless you assume both me and Turquoise (?) are. Either way, Vote: Classical Hero.

classical_hero
Aug 22, 2011, 10:00 AM
It looks like there were three hitmen left, since Godfathers take a lot to kill. I know, it took me 3 times to civplayah, so it seems that Kennigit was attacked twice last night. Well this is the last day so it will be fun. vote:landlubber Now let's see where the poster formerly known as NADBZ will vote if he votes at all.

Takhisis
Aug 22, 2011, 06:45 PM
Dammit.

Turquoiside
Aug 22, 2011, 08:23 PM
Let's see...we have four families with four hitmen:

Ramirez: Bodyguard, Hitman(TheLastDays), Corruptor (Zack), Politician, Godfather (GamezRule)
Matsumoto: Bodyguard (Bestrfcplayer), Hitman(SouthernKing), Corruptor, Politician(dcmort93), Godfather(civplayah)
Kuznetsov: Bodyguard(Takhisis), Hitman, Corruptor, Politician(Camikaze), Godfather (Jukar-c)
Abbras: Bodyguard(Red-Spy), Hitman, Corruptor, Politician(choxorn), Godfather(Kennigit)

Going by the current dead, the Ramirez are missing a Politician and Bodyguard, Matsumoto are missing a Corruptor, Kuznetsov are missing a Hitman and Corruptor and the Abbra are mssing a Hitman and Corruptor as well. This points towards classic being the hitman. I can imagine landlubber may NOT be Ramirez. It's possible the Ramirez were unlucky and were and given only three members. Otherwise, I really can't see a team trading a bodyguard for a roleblocker.
Nevertheless:
Vote: ClassicalHero is clearly the prudent action to take right now

classical_hero
Aug 23, 2011, 03:37 AM
No matter whom you vote for Turquoise, you are dead next round since landlubber is a hitman also.

Jarrema
Aug 23, 2011, 03:45 PM
At the end of a day Classical Hero was lynched.

He was a hitman from Abbracciavento Family!

Few minutes later, Naruto came close to the Landlubber. Naruto pulled his gun out of pocket and aimed at Landlubber. Landlubber, heavily wounded, tried to do the same but he failed. His last words were: 'un... huelepedos...'
Landlubber was a hitman from Ramirez Family!

NarutoAvatar (or whomever he is now) wins!
Большое спасибо!

Mafia victory

Naruto was a hitman from Kuznetsov Family
Kuznetsov Family victory!


I will describe game and points and winners and loosers later

Takhisis
Aug 23, 2011, 03:48 PM
:w00t: I win I win I win!

Jarrema
Aug 23, 2011, 03:50 PM
partially :)

Everyone can count his victory points now, I will do official counting tommorow (about 10-12 hours from now)

Zack
Aug 23, 2011, 04:13 PM
I correctly guessed the set-up and which families players belonged to, and some of their roles, while I was still alive. :smug:

Kennigit
Aug 23, 2011, 06:15 PM
eh shouldn't have missed that last day of voting. I simply forgot.

though did both hitmen target me? classical already summed up, we shoulda finished off civplayah but I assumed he would be protected night he ws injured. made us take three hits on him (reinjure and the kill).

classical_hero
Aug 23, 2011, 11:25 PM
For a long time we had three people left in the game and should have done some damage to the other families, so it was a bit unfortunate we did not go on and win the game, but well done to the winning family. Here is my family's team QT. http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/AxVwavcVDCP

I was surprised that Zack's team kept the corrupter, since every other team got rid of that role, although it did cost my team a victory since he blocked me when I tried to kill Takhisis the night he accused me. Now had they gone the way the other teams went, then it would have been different. My original role was the corrupter of my team, but eventually we choose to get rid of the role, since a politician and bodyguard role was just too much to give up, so I wonder what role they gave up instead.

TheLastDays
Aug 24, 2011, 01:43 AM
WE gave up the politician. Seriously one secret vote during the entire game is by far less worth than a roleblock every night.

Jarrema
Aug 24, 2011, 01:56 AM
There are qt of families and dead qt (almost no activity there)
http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/AxVwavcVDCP
http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/ffMDCcdyi9cvA
http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/TMmPFbk5vKjCD
http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/Lc4CVhhziK2v8

http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/wEYwPtPARmfij

There were 4 identical mafia families. Three of them decided to give up corruptor for hitman. One decided to stay with corruptor and sacrifice politician. The corruptor was Zack. At night 1 the only roleblocker in the game blocked the only townie, ATPG :(

ATPG was an only townie, vigilante and policeman in one person - he could either kill one person or scan two every night. Details of PM's will come later

choxorn
Aug 24, 2011, 02:08 AM
Zack, you who complain about being metagamed all the time roleblocked ATPG on Night 1 and every subsequent night? :shake:

And TLD, it wasn't one secret vote the entire game, it was one secret vote every day except day 1, plus tiebreaker. I think.

Jarrema
Aug 24, 2011, 02:08 AM
Points/Victory

Major victory:
NarutoAvatarDBZ: 8 victory points (family victory, staying alive)

Draw:
juKar-C: 5 victory points (family victory)
Takhisis (replaced Verarde): 5 victory points (family victory)
Camikaze: 5 victory points (family victory)

Major defeat:
Classical Hero: 1 victory point (for lynching Gamezrule)
Kennigit: 1 victory point (for lynching Gamezrule)

Total defeat:
All others


I suppose that for statistics made by Choxorn people from 'draw' category should be counted as winners

Jarrema
Aug 24, 2011, 02:09 AM
The weirdest thing IMHO was that Zack blocked ATPG night one after writing in qt why he should not block him at night one :eek:

choxorn
Aug 24, 2011, 02:14 AM
Well, the who won is easy enough- the Kuznetsov won.

What's hard to figure out is what alignment I should count people as in a game like this. The most straightforward thing to do is to count everyone but ATPG mafia and ATPG a town, but how can I count someone as town when they were on a one-man faction that was more neutral, and how can I count everyone as a mafia?

Jarrema
Aug 24, 2011, 02:19 AM
About a game:

Game was build around two concept:
1. war between at least 3 mafia families
2. 'lone townie' - a town vigilante who does not know that he is an only townie (so, in fact, he is something akin to a serial killer), and slowly realises the truth.

There was also third concept, that was thrown away when too low number of people wanted to play in complicated game - upgrade paths, different path with unique choices for every role

When RNG chosed ATPG for most important role of this game (1/2 of idea for this game was build around this role), first I was happy. I thought something like: Oh, great ATPG will know how to play this role. But the second thought was: Oh no, my game is doomed. He will be blocked/attacked/whatever from night one!
My worst fears were correct, as it turns out at night one. So, with one of basic ideas doomed, I was hoping for interesting war between mafia families. There were interesting moments, but also too many chaos IMHO. One thing is my mistake: for such a game wounds were bad idea, they introduced too much luck. Second thing is 'players bad': too low activity - especially lynch of Zack was just pathetic.

I hoped to give everyone fun game - for only townie, unique experience. For all else - possibility of playing mafia; mafia role seems to be favourite role of most players.

I will write some more in next post. Please give me your feedback. It was my second game (not counting mini) and I want to learn from my mistakes

Jarrema
Aug 24, 2011, 02:21 AM
Town role:
Policeman. You can attack one person per night OR scan two person per night. Be careful! Not everyone is what he seems to be! But, scans of most people would be correct. Godfather would scan like a neutral. After day 5 you would gain ability to ‘thoroughly scan’ one person per night, and learn perfectly what is aligment of that person. You have a bullet-proof vest – first night attack every night is negated. As an only townie and a policeman, you can be lynched only by majority vote
(info in italic was NOT given to a player)

Mafia roles:
a. Godfather . You scan like a neutral. You are tough and hard to kill (first night attack automatically ends as a wound).
b. Corruptor (role-blocker). Character selected by you cannot perform night action. If he/she actually tries to do something, he/she would learn that someone stopped him/her, and you will learn that he/she tried to do something
c. Bodyguard. You can protect another character. If protected character is attacked, you are automatically wounded, but protected character is unscratched
d. Politician. You get one secret vote in addition to ‘normal’ one. During a day (but NOT first day) vote normally in the thread, and PM me your secret vote. Additionally, you act as a tie-breaker.
e. Hitman – special role. No one starts as a hitman. One member of mafia family may decide to become a hitman (only one per family), as a night action, but then he/she looses his/her other abilities (i. e. being corruptor, bodyguard, politician or godfather). Godfather canot become hitman if there is at least one other member of his family alive. Hitman can, as a night action, attack another person
(info in italic was NOT given to a player)

Jarrema
Aug 24, 2011, 02:26 AM
I think I made one big mistake, two smaller game-design mistake, and one of my decisions was not-so-good (medium size mistake):
1. it was bad idea to give player ability associated with lynch and not inform hoim about it. Not nice for this player. Sorry, I will never do it again
2. Maybe roleblocker was bad idea for ths game? Especially because he knew when he blocked someone - but I wanted him to be competitve so at least one family decides to keep him. I am not sure if there was a mistake
3. Random 50% of not killing and instead wounding enemy was too chaotic and introduced too much luck in game with so many night attacks
4. My decision of WoG-ing juKar-C and SouthernKing. As I wrote before, according to imposed rules it was right decision. But I should not do it that way (informing at a middle of a day); I will not do it in a future games

Jarrema
Aug 24, 2011, 02:32 AM
As I wanted 1 townie and at least 3 mafia families, it was not so easy to be ready for any number of players. I come with such ideas:
1. for 16 players, there would be 3 mafia families with 5 members in each (with additional role of role/faction scanner) and one townie
2. for 17 players, 4 mafia with 4 pembers in each, one townie (that one we played)
3. For 18 players, 3 mafia, 1 townie and 2 neutrals
4. for 19 players, 4 mafia, 1 townie, 2 neutrals (I was hoping for this setting)
5. For 20 players, 4 mafia, 1 townie and 3 neutrals (I did not want this to happen)

Neutral role was supposed to be a 'politician', a cross between survivor and lyncher, associated to a small degree with town:
like mafia politician, but more abilities (can blacmail one person per nght and manipulate his/her vote, survive first lynch and consecutive lynches in a row). Also, other victory points: 5 points – you are alive at the end of a game; 2 points – town victory; 2 points – your political rival (second person with the same role) dies before you; 1 additional point – you personally participate in lynching him

TheLastDays
Aug 24, 2011, 03:40 AM
I misunderstood the secret vote thing then. I thought it was a one time use.

juKar-C
Aug 24, 2011, 04:24 AM
It was a great idea Jarrema, sorry for the inactivity but I think that since everyone except one guy was mafia, everyone was kinda cautious about what they posted in the forum. So everyone kinda sat back and this probably caused a bit of the inactivity. No one wanted to appear scummy.

Good concept nonetheless.

Askthepizzaguy
Aug 24, 2011, 04:26 AM
I believe I am one of the few people out there who would prefer to vig-kill than investigate two people per night.

In this game, that position was absolutely the correct one to take.

Alas, the name Askthepizzaguy meant I was doomed before the first day. :rolleyes:

Jarrema
Aug 24, 2011, 05:11 AM
I misunderstood the secret vote thing then. I thought it was a one time use.

Anyway, all politicians were dead soon

Jarrema
Aug 24, 2011, 05:12 AM
It was a great idea Jarrema, sorry for the inactivity but I think that since everyone except one guy was mafia, everyone was kinda cautious about what they posted in the forum. So everyone kinda sat back and this probably caused a bit of the inactivity. No one wanted to appear scummy.

Good concept nonetheless.

I did not expect a lot of posts, but I was dissapointed by low number of votes - especially Zack's lynch

Zack
Aug 24, 2011, 08:09 AM
Zack, you who complain about being metagamed all the time roleblocked ATPG on Night 1 and every subsequent night? :shake:

It's literally the only time I have ever targeted ATPG night one, and I've been mafia/power role dozens of times. :dunno:

Takhisis
Aug 24, 2011, 01:09 PM
Major victory:
NarutoAvatarDBZ: 8 victory points (family victory, staying alive)

Draw:
juKar-C: 5 victory points (family victory)
Takhisis (replaced Verarde): 5 victory points (family victory)
Camikaze: 5 victory points (family victory)
:thumbsup:
Major defeat:
Classical Hero: 1 victory point (for lynching Gamezrule)
Kennigit: 1 victory point (for lynching Gamezrule)
http://foorumi.haistapaska.com/images/smilies/dummy.gif
Total defeat:
All others

http://foorumi.haistapaska.com/images/smilies/dummy.gif

classical_hero
Aug 24, 2011, 01:47 PM
The only reason my family did not win is that the two hitmen targeted Kennigit at the second last night. Had one of them targeted the other, then we would have won, so we were a bit unlucky in that regard.

Kennigit
Aug 24, 2011, 02:10 PM
part of it is luck as well. We did hit civplayah three times right? or at least takhisis twice.

godfather only had "first time injured" (if I am reading this right, as in VERY first time or just the first of each night? I was attacked myself I guess 3 times, assuming two hitmen did hit me second to last night). So if luck went the right way a godfather could have died to 50%.

regardless, I think we had to hit takhisis twice and he wasn't a godfather. didn't utilize ch to his full potential (other kills this would be true too).

edit- I don't think what I wrote will make sense. oh well. ch is right though, if only 1 person targetted me and the other even went for ch we coulda been okay.

Turquoiside
Aug 24, 2011, 02:25 PM
Was landlubber a hitman as well? I attacked landlubber on the final night but he was only injured. (A good thing too, otherwise we may not have won). Earlier in the game, I attacked Kennigit about 2 or 3 times, so that would be why landlubber was able to kill him. (I stopped when I accidentely sent him my night actions instead of Jarrema.)


I'm not sure it ever came into play, but having Takhisis protecting me for the rest of the game after Jukar was WOGged was a pretty nice advantage. Overall, this was a nice and very close win for us. Good job team :salute:.

Verarde
Aug 24, 2011, 04:13 PM
Well congrats Tak on replacing me and getting a draw. Maybe I should have stayed in, eh?

landlubber
Aug 24, 2011, 04:20 PM
Yeah, I was a hitman.

Zack
Aug 24, 2011, 04:26 PM
In this game, a roleblocker is worth waaay more than a limited doctor or a politician.

Preventing someone else from performing a night action -- in this game, almost everyone had a night action -- is worth infinitely more than a limited doctor or a politician. The doctor would be wounded if his protection was successful -- but there's a 50% chance someone getting attacked will be wounded, anyway! A roleblocker can stop a kill, and the blocker doesn't get hurt, and information is collected.

I'm just baffled why everyone decided to get rid of their roleblocker. Makes NO sense.

choxorn
Aug 24, 2011, 04:55 PM
Because, unlike you, we didn't know the set-up of the game from the start. :p

Jarrema
Aug 24, 2011, 05:20 PM
godfather only had "first time injured" (if I am reading this right, as in VERY first time or just the first of each night? I was attacked myself I guess 3 times, assuming two hitmen did hit me second to last night). So if luck went the right way a godfather could have died to 50%.


Only very first attack was automatically a wound, each subsequent could kill godfather

Jarrema
Aug 24, 2011, 05:22 PM
As for politician... I suppose that in this particular game, with so small voting activity, good played politician could be really really powerful - in fact, he would control more than half lynches, I suppose,

As for doctor and roleblocker
I started with "full protector" - preventing one attack without cost for himself, and with roleblocker that would not know if he actually blocked someone. But then, I thought no-one will choose roleblocker! So I buffed a corruptor and nerfed a bodyguard

Turquoiside
Aug 24, 2011, 05:27 PM
Because, unlike you, we didn't know the set-up of the game from the start. :p

This.

Also, it's unclear whether a corruptor would negate a Godfather's survival ability...it's unlikely. Politicians use their ability during the day, so the roleblocker can't stop them. So the only ones the roleblocker could in fact work against was a hitman or another roleblocker. Why hope to block the hitman when you can block one of his possible targets?

Zack
Aug 24, 2011, 06:33 PM
Because, unlike you, we didn't know the set-up of the game from the start. :p
Bah!

Politicians use their ability during the day, so the roleblocker can't stop them. So the only ones the roleblocker could in fact work against was a hitman or another roleblocker. Why hope to block the hitman when you can block one of his possible targets?

Because protecting someone injures you. A person has a 50-50 chance of being injured anyways, without protection. A successful roleblock wounds no one, and it gives you information. Protecting someone doesn't give you any information.

bestrfcplayer
Aug 24, 2011, 07:38 PM
I shall open up sign ups for my small game now (sorry, shameless game advertising, I know, I know).

Takhisis
Aug 24, 2011, 08:53 PM
Yet Zack has a point, you should keep your options open and having one hitman, one roleblocker, one doctor is a balanced mix.

choxorn
Aug 25, 2011, 02:07 AM
What's hard to figure out is what alignment I should count people as in a game like this. The most straightforward thing to do is to count everyone but ATPG mafia and ATPG a town, but how can I count someone as town when they were on a one-man faction that was more neutral, and how can I count everyone as a mafia?

This question remains unanswered.

Also, don't blame me- I thought I was less valuable than the roleblocker, too and I wanted to kill people, but my family decided to make classical the hitman instead.