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Goonie
Feb 04, 2003, 06:40 PM
I_am_sin7, zmei-gorynych. What do you guys think? I will add them to the user list if its ok with you guys. I dont trust them.

Fier Canadien
Feb 04, 2003, 07:34 PM
I believe we could let them a chance to prove themselves worthy of trust before the begining of the game. Then, if you still have doubts, you could post a trial poll for "treachery" that would, if they are proved guilty, permanently ban them from this forum.

Fier Canadien
Feb 05, 2003, 05:04 AM
I've got a look at the citizen registry to see who's in there, and all of a sudden, I saw this:
Mariner II
Name: Look left lazy fools
Chatname: HOW DO I GET INTO CHAT??!!! (I'm sucha n00b)
Aspiring: n00b
Age:15
Country: Quebec! (Although we're not a country, so, Canada)
Timezone: Montreal timezone, whatever that is
PTW? Fo sho

His profile says he's living in Landsborough, Australia and that he his the owner of a restaurant… AND he's a montréaler separatist.

Sounds suspect for me...

Gingerbread Man
Feb 05, 2003, 05:48 AM
Yes I was tricked by that.

Instead of posting seperate threads for each suspicious character, lets just post them all in here. only the players that have been in the singleplayer demogames BEFORE the PBEM game was announced, can view or post in it.

Eklektikos
Feb 05, 2003, 04:00 PM
Zmei-Gorynych is a registered member of the SP demogame and has been since at least december. Personally I don't much like this paranoia regarding any and all new posters in this forum... If you're really concerned about it then ask a moderator to check whether or not posters that you consider to be "suspicious" are DLs. Otherwise I think we should be working along the lines of "innocent until proven guilty", and not putting off new posters by automatically accusing them of spying. :rolleyes:

Fier Canadien
Feb 05, 2003, 05:43 PM
There is no intent to freak them out. I belive it should be set as a "administrative" process for all 50 & less and 2003 registered posters demanding acces to the thread, beginning when Thunderfall is "securing" the MP thread.

explanation: A guy that has 20 posts and registered in 2002 wouldnt be checked. But the same guy registered in 2003 would be "auto-checked".

Just an idea from nowhere.

Vander
Feb 05, 2003, 06:36 PM
that's a good idea

Grandmaster
Feb 05, 2003, 06:50 PM
I say we "purify" them all with hot metal rods! After all, nobody expects the Fanatikan Inquisition!

But seriously, I think we need to keep on the lookout without being paranoid. Perhaps we should leak some "important information" and see if it shows up on any of the other sites? Just an idea...then we can find the mole. Or here's an idea: I think my neighbor is in the mafia. I can ask him how they find informants.... just a thought. ;)

eyrei
Feb 05, 2003, 07:19 PM
What exactly are you going to check to prove someone is a spy? I think I know....nothing, because you don't have access to any information that the person doesn't volunteer. So, basically you are going to start witch hunts. I agree with Eklektikos. Enough with the paranoia.

Grandmaster
Feb 05, 2003, 07:40 PM
Me? Paranoid? I'm not paranoid..... WHO SENT YOU?! WHY ARE YOU HERE?!

I see Eklek's and Eyrei's points. We can't really find any spies, and really, what's the worst they can do? With the exception of knowing when we're going to war, our plan of attack, and other things like that, spies can't do much....

Gingerbread Man
Feb 05, 2003, 08:12 PM
I'll hold back on the paranoia. Though we should check out anyone registering in 2003, I agree. Usually it takes people a month to discover that there is a demogame in these forums, then a few weeks to show enough interest to figure out what it is.

Goonie
Feb 05, 2003, 08:27 PM
This is not meant to scare off newbs guys, just see what others think. If we completely ignored the possibilities of spies, then we would be naive.

Civanator
Feb 05, 2003, 08:34 PM
The MP Demogame didn't even start and people are rambling on about spies. jeese. also, you can check IP's for DL's.

Consul_Thud
Feb 05, 2003, 08:43 PM
I'm a spy! Arrest me!

Here's something interesting: If I'm an ambassador to this team, where shall I set up my embassy?

btw, once this game gets started, I promise I'll leave willingfully. Though this will probably be locked by then.

Zarn
Feb 05, 2003, 09:49 PM
Settle down, Senator McCarthy. We can't accuse people straight out.

Fier Canadien
Feb 06, 2003, 04:57 AM
Originally posted by Zarn
Settle down, Senator McCarthy. We accuse people straight out.

This is not McCarthysm, this is protectorism.:crazyeye:
This is "different" (only if you think different).

Mariner II
Feb 06, 2003, 04:55 PM
I'm a man of many...whatevers

Fier Canadien
Feb 06, 2003, 05:53 PM
I had no intent to attack you, Mariner II, in particular. My main intention was to bring up everyone that I found suspicious. Your only problem was the profile/register conflict that, as I write, is now "corrected".

Yet, as everybody described in my proposition somewhere above, you should be investigated.

eyrei
Feb 06, 2003, 06:17 PM
Originally posted by Fier Canadien

Yet, as everybody described in my proposition somewhere above, you should be investigated.

No, he shouldn't. As I said before, this nonsense needs to stop. Without the cooperation of the moderators of the other forums, there is absolutely nothing that can be investigated, so there is really no point of even discussing this unless that happens. And if you want me to cooperate, you are going to have to produce something more concrete than the fact that a person doesn't have enough posts, or hasn't been around long enough.

Just agree to a rule with the other sites that says that if a spy is caught from any team, that team is disqualified.

Zarn
Feb 06, 2003, 06:21 PM
Originally posted by eyrei


No, he shouldn't. As I said before, this nonsense needs to stop. Without the cooperation of the moderators of the other forums, there is absolutely nothing that can be investigated, so there is really no point of even discussing this unless that happens. And if you want me to cooperate, you are going to have to produce something more concrete than the fact that a person doesn't have enough posts, or hasn't been around long enough.

Just agree to a rule with the other sites that says that if a spy is caught from any team, that team is disqualified.

:goodjob:

Great. Now the assumptions may be stopped. Long live, eyrei.

Goonie
Feb 06, 2003, 06:27 PM
There already is a rule set up eyrei. The team deals with individuals on their on basis. Everone has already said that they will not spy. Eyrei, you are not a registered citizen, so I do not believe you or Shaitan should be mods. I would prefer having mods that are at least active citizens.

What more concrete evidence do you want? I have listened to Elk, and I agree that Zmei-Gorynych is not a spy, but I_am_sin7 still arouses supsicion in me. Why would he join, and not post?

eyrei
Feb 06, 2003, 06:43 PM
First, I am going to be your moderator whether you like it or not, along with Chieftess and Shaitan. The game has not started, so how is it that you know Shaitan and I will not participate? Also, telling us we should not be mods is not exactly a good way to endear yourself to us.

Second, do you have any idea how many citizens we have for the regular demogame that never post?

Finally, I hope that that rule means that you deal with your own spies...meaning that you have any information about the other teams deleted ASAP, and make an effort not to use it, and then ban the person who posted it.

Goonie
Feb 06, 2003, 06:49 PM
Yes thats the rule. Eyrei I was not trying to be rude, but I assumed that since you had not signed up that you didn't want to play. And if you weren't going to play whats the point of being a mod? It would be like AOA being the mod of the regular DG. So please sign up :D! You are right about lots of people being signed up for the regular DG witout posting, but we have to remember that this is not the regular DG and that more is at stake. If

eyrei
Feb 06, 2003, 06:50 PM
If that is the rule, I don't see much point in putting so much effort into finding spies.

Goonie
Feb 06, 2003, 06:54 PM
The person who is spying obviously will not make it public to his team. What if its one teams military advisor and he happens to know our attack plans? It could get messy! I am not trying to scare anyone away, I am simply bringing issues to light!

Gingerbread Man
Feb 09, 2003, 05:17 AM
I believe that the price for having no spies is eternal vigilance. quite simply, be on the lookout. If, for example, the enemy is sending 20 cavalry to a city defended by a spearman, chances are they have no spy.

If, however, they seem to be able to target our units like they knew they were there, we would be suspicious.

THERE ARE BETTER WAYS TO EXPOSE SPIES THAN TO ACCUSE EVERY NEWBIE OR SUSPICIOUS CITIZEN!

No matter how hard they try, the spies will always be obvious to any observer. If it shuts you all up, I will take up the job of spyhunting. The job would be invisible, as in there would be no posts or threads about the job. It would only be discussed via PM's between trusted people. That way we wont scare away the newbies, even if we do falsely accuse them. We could name the institution 'the pentagon'.

If one of the mods would like to do this, or any other citizen, feel free. I would love to join you. If the mods dont like the idea, just say so, and it wont be done.

Goonie
Feb 09, 2003, 06:48 AM
I second you GbM. But lets not call it the pentagon ;)

Noldodan
Feb 16, 2003, 07:41 PM
look, I say this: there is NO WAY to ensure that we will catch spies w/o a witch hunt. the only choice is OPEN FORUMS for everyone, even for the other sites.

Goonie
Feb 16, 2003, 08:45 PM
That is the worst idea I have ever heard. They could see our military action plans.

Gingerbread Man
Feb 17, 2003, 04:50 AM
Ok, no witch hunts. we take care of our own spies.

may I say - we should make suspicions about spies when it is obvious ingame. But since the game hasn't started, how can we accuse anyone of spying? there is nothing to spy on yet!

Noldodan
Feb 17, 2003, 07:23 PM
and we could see theirs! my point is, that yes it would be less realistic, but superior strategy would be the deciding factor in the game, plus: no paranoia