View Full Version : Final Constitutional Poll


Octavian X
Feb 22, 2003, 01:02 PM
Based on this discussion, (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=44759) I will post a final poll approving our Constitution.

This is the actual document:
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The Constitution of Fanatikou

Article A: All Civfanatics Forum users who register in the Citizen Registry are citizens of Fanatikou, subject to the approval of the Judiciary. Citizens have the right to assemble, the right to free movement, the right to free speech, the right to a fair trial, the right to representation, the right to demand satisfaction and the right to vote.

Article B: Governing rules shall consist of the Articles of the Constitution, the Code of Laws and the Code of Standards. No laws shall be passed that conflict with an article and no standards shall be used that conflict with a law or an article.

Article C: The government will consist of the Executive Branch, Legislative Branch and Judicial Branch.

Article D: The Executive Branch is headed by the President, who shall be the designated player of the game. Directly below the President shall be the Domestic and Foreign Affairs Leaders. The Science and Military Leader shall report directly to the Domestic Leader, and the Culture and Trade Leaders shall report to the Foreign Affairs Leader. Each of these leaders will be generally responsible for the items found under the respective Advisor in the Civilization III game and esoteric aspects that fall under their department name.

Article E: The Legislative Branch shall consist of the Congress and the Senate. The Congress will be formed of the entirety of the citizenry. The Senate shall be formed of the Provincial Governors, who shall be responsible for the care, management and use of the cities and lands of a province.

Article F: The Judicial Branch will be formed of three leaders, one who is tasked with upholding the laws (Judge Advocate), one who is tasked with defending the citizenry (Public Defender) and headed by the Chief Justice. It shall be the main responsibility of the Judiciary to admit citizens into the game who shall have joined after February 16, 2003.

Article G: All offices will be filled via election with terms lasting according to a fixed schedule based on game years. Terms shall be divided into 10 equal terms of 45 turns each and place elections accordingly.

Article H: It is unlawful to play through actions, move troops, make deals or take any other action that would change the state of the playing game from that of the saved game.
Exception: The structure of peace renegotiation treaties requires an action to be taken to view the bargaining possibilities. Specifically, once the deal is broached it must result in a new deal or a declaration of war. Once the bargaining possibilities have been noted the altered game must be immediately closed without saving. Further activity in the altered game is not allowed.

Article I: The average of the number of votes cast in each of the most recent contested elections shall constitute an active census of citizens. The highest vote total of these elections shall constitute a full census (the Congress). A majority of the Congress shall be required to amend the Constitution.

Article J: Elected officials must plan and act according to the will of the people.

Article K: The constitution, laws and standards of Fanatikou can never be contrary to the rules and regulations of the Civfanatics forums. Moderators may veto any such constitutional amendments, laws or standards.

Article L. Both President and Foreign Affairs Leader are de-facto ambassadors. Regular Ambassadors are elected each term. Ambassadors shall only be chosen when Fanatikou has made in-game contact with a rival civilization.

Article M. In the event the positions of Domestic, Foreign Affairs, or any Judicial position becomes vacant, the President shall apoint a new leader to fill the vacant position.
In the event the military, science, or any governorship position becomes vacant, the Domestic Leader shall apoint a new leader to fill the vacant position.
In the event the culture, trade, or any Ambassador position becomes vacant, the Foreign Affairs Leader shall appoint a new leader to fill the vacant position.
In the event the President vacates his/her position, the domestic leader shall become President, and shall appoint a new leader to be domestic leader.
All appointments must be approved by the Council.
In the event any leader takes a temporary leave of absence, he shall appoint a pro-tempore official to fill that position until the leader shall return.
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Octavian X
Feb 23, 2003, 12:27 AM
If this gets passed, I plan to create a html document to post on the web as reference. If I did that, could we get it posted on the civfanatics.net Dmoecracy Game page?

Goonie
Feb 23, 2003, 05:01 PM
What did you add to donsig's constitution?

eyrei
Feb 23, 2003, 06:53 PM
Article A needs to be rewritten. It can be interpreted as saying that the judiciary must review all new members. This is simply not going to happen. You do not have the means necessary to bring forward evidence to prove someone is a spy, and witch hunts will not be allowed.

Chieftess
Feb 23, 2003, 08:57 PM
I agree with eyrei.

Article A: All Civfanatics Forum users who register in the Citizen Registry are citizens of Fanatikou, subject to the approval of the Judiciary.

Not only will this be overwhelming for the judiciary, it's going to create conflicts with posters on this forum.

CivGeneral
Feb 23, 2003, 09:08 PM
I also agree with Eyrei.

This would cause a conflict with many of the newbie posters and possibly scare them away. I would Strongly recomend changing it.

Chieftess
Feb 23, 2003, 09:11 PM
Not to mention, it creates a sense of newbie bashing.

Gingerbread Man
Feb 24, 2003, 04:29 AM
Originally posted by Chieftess
I agree with eyrei.



Not only will this be overwhelming for the judiciary, it's going to create conflicts with posters on this forum.


:rolleyes: Conflicts? Oh the conflicts. I return from a thread battle scarred. PLEASE NO MORE SPY ACCUSATIONS! They dont actually solve anything. They just make everybody offend each other like one big happy family.

So, lets change the constitution to 'any suspicions of spies are to be directed to a moderator, and there is to be no thread or post about it.'

donsig
Feb 24, 2003, 06:36 PM
Originally posted by eyrei
Article A needs to be rewritten. It can be interpreted as saying that the judiciary must review all new members. This is simply not going to happen. You do not have the means necessary to bring forward evidence to prove someone is a spy, and witch hunts will not be allowed.

Not only can it be interpreted that way, that is exactly how it is intended to be interpreted! All the teams in the MSDG have agreed to keep their team rosters public. At the very least we can check new applicants to our team against the rosters of the other teams. I see nothing wrong with doing this. It is not against CFC rules. Nor do I see anything wrong with placing this responsibility on our Judiciary. It may be a waste of time but it is our time to waste, is it not? I see no need to rewrite this clause of our constitution.

Part of the trouble is that the game started before we were ready. Please give us a chance to get things together. Once our judiciary is set up and we discuss its proper role I am sure we can find that happy medium. Our judiciary can review and approve new team members in a professional way that will not be witch hunts. It can also be done without making new threads about any particular applicant.

Also, eyrei, if you are going to post as a moderator please specify that you are doing so in order to avoid confusion.

eyrei
Feb 25, 2003, 01:02 PM
Originally posted by donsig


Not only can it be interpreted that way, that is exactly how it is intended to be interpreted! All the teams in the MSDG have agreed to keep their team rosters public. At the very least we can check new applicants to our team against the rosters of the other teams. I see nothing wrong with doing this. It is not against CFC rules. Nor do I see anything wrong with placing this responsibility on our Judiciary. It may be a waste of time but it is our time to waste, is it not? I see no need to rewrite this clause of our constitution.



It is against the forum rules, and this part of the constitution is going to be rewritten. If you suspect someone is a spy, refer it to a moderator and we will see if we can find anything out. Do not start a thread about someone you think is a spy! There are rules against starting threads that target other posters.

Goonie
Feb 25, 2003, 02:45 PM
I have PMed Thunderfall about all of this. He is the one who suggested this sub-forum be used for the weeding out of potential spies, so I do not understand eyrei, why you are trying so hard not to let us do this.

Also eyrei according to your logic PI's are against forum rules! Are we going to stop those?

eyrei
Feb 25, 2003, 03:17 PM
Originally posted by Goonie
I have PMed Thunderfall about all of this. He is the one who suggested this sub-forum be used for the weeding out of potential spies, so I do not understand eyrei, why you are trying so hard not to let us do this.

Also eyrei according to your logic PI's are against forum rules! Are we going to stop those?

I believe Thunderfall has changed his mind, after realizing what was involved. And if I have my way we will also do away with PIs.

For now, consider this an official warning. The next person who starts a thread that targets another poster is going to get a 3 day vacation. If you want to comment on this warning, PM me. Do not post your comments here. If you do, you will get a 3 day vacation. I hope I make myself clear.

Octavian X
Feb 25, 2003, 06:26 PM
If Article A is going to be rewritten, may I suggest another way to write it?

I have a few ideas.
A. Require a few days' active involvment in the real democracy game. (ex. a post a day for five days)
B. Compare name (not IP) lists with other teams.

Looking back, if each of the MSDG teams abide by the ruleset as provided at the start, I am sure we will have no spy troubles. We will pass this constituion, with the specificed clause out all together, and discuss other means of checking for spys, if any at all.

Also, to my first post: Can we get this up on the Demogame Webpage that has the link to the constituion? I can create an html version if necesary.

Chieftess
Feb 25, 2003, 08:21 PM
I can make a MSDG page, I have FTP access, as does Shaitan. Any of us can update it.

Goonie
Feb 26, 2003, 07:15 AM
@Octavian, I would love it if you would allow me to do a write up.