There was a rumor about an Ice based civ earlier. No idea where it came from though, people mentioned it during the Pax Storm.

Inuit would definitely be a left field civ. But I suspect we will get a left-field civ that we haven't had before.

Yeah the tundra pantheon believe has led to the spectulation that the 9th civ will get advantage of a polar start bias. Could be Sweden or Inuit.

If its the case I hope its Inuit, just for the sake of originality, we have too many European civs already. Considering the Huns are in, it doesnt sound so far fetched now.

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but no civ has a start bias for tundra some even avoiding it am I right? Should we then read into the belief "Dance of the Aurora-faith from tundra tiles" that maybe we are getting an Inuit civ like some have suggested, or at least a snow/tundra favoring civ??

Sweden seems more likely to fit this role (combined with other rumours and bits of information, at least), though I mean no offence to the idea of an Inuit civ. In any case, Russia could have a tundra bias, though I couldn't be sure.

I would rather have Sweden, just because then I could work on some Great Northern War scenarios. The Inuit would be an interesting DLC civ though.

Yeah...you are right, it would probably be Sweden, I hope to see more unlikely DLC like the Polynesians anyway.

What leader would Sweden have? Gustav Adolphus?

I guess Sweden could represent later Scandinavia, while Denmark is Viking Scandinavia

But... There's barely any tundra in sweden :O
Thogh, the actual climate in scandinavia haven't stopped game developers in the past (Age of Mythology with their polar bears and walruses spring to mind)

The fact that there is a tundra faith bonus makes me believe that there isn't a tundra related civ. If there was, the tundra faith bonus would be especially useful for the one civ and not that useful for other civilizations, making it somewhat unbalanced. And to justify such a significant bonus for a tundra civ, wouldn't the tundra based civ have to be extremely religious? I don't think either Sweden or the Inuit fit that profile.

The fact that there is a tundra faith bonus makes me believe that there isn't a tundra related civ. If there was, the tundra faith bonus would be especially useful for the one civ and not that useful for other civilizations, making it somewhat unbalanced. And to justify such a significant bonus for a tundra civ, wouldn't the tundra based civ have to be extremely religious? I don't think either Sweden or the Inuit fit that profile.

The Pantheon Belief is the Aurora. Would fit extremely well with the Inuit. Belief wise; I don't see the problem for this. Of course they didn't start major religions either but the Aurora was/is a huge impact in a lot of cultures.

There's a belief that behaves in the exact same way as the bonus of the Temple of Artemis (10% to food in each city)

But... There's barely any tundra in sweden :O
Thogh, the actual climate in scandinavia haven't stopped game developers in the past (Age of Mythology with their polar bears and walruses spring to mind)

Perhaps they mean to add some kind of Sami feel to a Swedish civ.

polar bear cavalry needs to happen now.

there's a problem with having the inuit they were nomads they never had a city but I guess you could use northern Canadian city's like Iqaluit, but it's probably swedan. Oh and Canada is NOT one big tundra actually there's hardly any tundra at all. All of it is in the far north like baffin island.

Isn't Iqaluit considered an Inuit city eve though it is located in Canada? Though, I'd bet on Nuuk being their capital, and their city-list being a mixture of Greenlandic and Canadian towns.

There's a belief that behaves in the exact same way as the bonus of the Temple of Artemis (10% to food in each city)

But that's a wonder that any civ can build, not a particular civ's bonus.

i could even see something in alaska, like sitka

I agree... I don't know how a simple question of how many Colony civilizations are there got to another histroical discussion, I guess my point was they are very unlikely to add a Colonized (post Renaissance) nation as a civ, they are more likely to add a Native (Inca, Aztecs, Iroquois etc) instead of Canada, Brazil, whatever.

As best I can tell, shifting the discussion to history is a Strawman-style argument. Etiquette dictates that you can't say "It won't be Xanadu, Xanadu sucks and Flatland rules! It'll be Flatland for sure!", not to mention that this type of argument would probably be somewhat discrediting to the poster. Instead, people argue the demerits against a civilization being included using vague, arbitrary criteria. Some of the posts are mildly ethnocentric or xenophobic, but for the most part it's people trying to build a framework in which their favorite civilization works, so that they can have the joy of certainty that it will be included.

For my own sake, my vague and arbitrary criteria for a Civilization is that it should have or share hegemony over the affairs of the world, on the scale appropriate to the time in history; or else it's presence on the world stage serve as summary of a conglomeration of events of lasting impact. So Rome clearly passes, it had hegemony over the Mediterranean for a significant period. Carthage controlled Mediterranean trade until the Romans razed them. Greeks were nothing like a modern nation, but they had economic hegemony over the eastern med, and shared military hegemony with the Persians until Alexander bulldozed the Persians. The Huns are probably a pass because whether or not they actually caused the fall of the Roman empire, they certainly signify and exemplify it.

Isn't Iqaluit considered an Inuit city eve though it is located in Canada? Though, I'd bet on Nuuk being their capital, and their city-list being a mixture of Greenlandic and Canadian towns.
yeah but the city was founded by settlers i'm not sure but I think by british that or canadian settlers after Canada became independent. But either way inuit helped out.

okay forget about the message above the history is Iqaluit was founded as a american airbase in 1942. Now since this is off topic I think the inuit are the last civ because they interesting but sweden would be okay to.

Who wants an Amish civ? Wikipedia lists them as an ethnic group.

Who wants an Amish civ? Wikipedia lists them as an ethnic group.

And now you gave this mental image of a Amish massed cavarly force riding out to meet the Hunnic Horde. I may have to draw this and get it out of my system if I want to sleep ever again.

the amish are to peaceful they would have no UU maybe a UI and\or UB but no UU

And now you gave this mental image of a Amish massed cavarly force riding out to meet the Hunnic Horde. I may have to draw this and get it out of my system if I want to sleep ever again.

:lol: :lol:

I think that might be Zulu, the Legendary CIV of CIV series.

Or might be Venitian Republic for following concept of G&K that Venice was a important part of Crusade, Papal conflicts, Greek colonization, War with Byzantine, or even wealth of spice commerce.

Or Srivijaya http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srivijaya
the maritime southeast asia empire which the Borobudur was bulit.

And how about you? what is your opinion about this last civ of G&:king:. Please share.

Threads merged. Sorry, we already have a guessing civs thread :(.

About the last civ,I suppose it'll have to fill these pre-requisites:

1st)It won't be an European civ(there are already 3 European civs in G&K(4 if you consider Byzantines as an European civ));
2nd)It'll be a civ that wasn't represented in earlier civ games(there are only 2 civs that haven't been in Civ series before);
3rd)It has to be a King/Queen or an Emperor/Empress as a leader,because of the "Kings" in expansion;
4th)Its culture should be unique enough for not being too similar with other civs already in Civ5 and G&K;
5th)It'll probably represent a region in the world never represented in Civ series before;

With only 1st,2nd,3rd and 4th pre-requisites,there are plenty of civs to choose . But with the 5th pre-requisite,I think there are about 3 civs that fulfill these pre-requisites:

- Majahapit(don't consider Srivijaya because their name is too hard to pronunciate);
- Brazil;
- Kongo;

Can you explain why it has to fulfill those 5 prerequisites? Because you are quite right in that with those 5 conditions, you end up with Indonesia (even simpler than those other two), Brazil and Kongo. But from what ideas do you get the idea that f.e. it has to be from a region not represented in civ or that the leader has to be a King or Queen?

Majahapit is also bit difficult to pronounce

Attila wasn't a king, or emperor, atleast I highly doubt

There's technically 5 European civilization (Spain).

it's called Majapahit, not Majahapit.

it's called Majapahit, not Majahapit.

I think that serves to prove his point. :P

As someone on here said before, no-one is quite sure what order the j, p and h come in. :lol:

About the last civ,I suppose it'll have to fill these pre-requisites:

1st)It won't be an European civ(there are already 3 European civs in G&K(4 if you consider Byzantines as an European civ));


Conversely, we could see the fact that there's already 3-5 European civs included as a trend, so the 9th civ would be probably European as well.

I maybe think Ghana 1 it was once a very rich empire. 2 It was the first african country to be independent from europeon colonazation and I mean completely not like south africa were it still had ties with britain.

Actually, it's Citrus or Coffee, not and. There's one resource starting with a C and people were debating what it is.

You just solved the mystery, the final civ is definitely Colombia and the mystery C resource is cocaine:lol:

But Inca,Aztecs and Iroquois ARE ALREADY in the game(use Caps because people insists to forget this fact) . And Western North American natives were partially represented in Civ 4 BTS,while Eastern South America keeps empty . And it's not possible to add an Native civilization from there,because I can assure that ALL of their cities' name would come from Brazil's minor cities .

They should add an Indian tribe from the Southeastern US. Apparently exploration of the new world will play a part in the "Into the Renaissance" scnario. The Powhattan Indians would make an excellent choice. They were a confederation of tribes known as Virginia Algonquians. Now I don't know if it occurs to any of you, but I would not mind settling Jamestown. :D

"Into the Renaissance" scenario would be restricted to Europe and Mediterranean area . And even if the exploration of new world plays a role in this scenario,it wouldn't be a problem if Powhattan Indians got replaced by Iroquois .

Conversely, we could see the fact that there's already 3-5 European civs included as a trend, so the 9th civ would be probably European as well.

Europe is already overrepresented,while there are many parts of the world heavily underrepresented .

"Into the Renaissance" scenario would be restricted to Europe and Mediterranean area . And even if the exploration of new world plays a role in this scenario,it wouldn't be a problem if Powhattan Indians got replaced by Iroquois .



Europe is already overrepresented,while there are many parts of the world heavily underrepresented .

So, like his boardgame it most likely will be restricted to Europe and the Med? I thought, because of the addition of the Maya the exploration of the New World, would be part of the scenario. Well that's fine, and yes, the Iroquois could easily play that role couldn't they?

I maybe think Ghana 1 it was once a very rich empire. 2 It was the first african country to be independent from europeon colonazation and I mean completely not like south africa were it still had ties with britain.

Those are two very different entities. Pretty much completely unrelated to each other.

Resources that might appear I think are Citrus Buffalo and Rice just guesses.

I'm thinking that the Inuit might be the last unannounced Civ in G&K. I know this isn't much to go on, but there's a belief called "Dance of the Aurora" (+1 Faith from Tundra tiles without Forest).

That's almost certainly a reference to northern Native American tribes, like Inuit or Cree, who have a very spiritual connection to Aurora Borealis.

I'm thinking that the Inuit might be the last unannounced Civ in G&K. I know this isn't much to go on, but there's a belief called "Dance of the Aurora" (+1 Faith from Tundra tiles without Forest).

That's almost certainly a reference to northern Native American tribes, like Inuit or Cree, who have a very spiritual connection to Aurora Borealis.

a good catch, there may be no correlation between the two but it would be a good fit.

Cree might be a good civ to have...

About the last civ,I suppose it'll have to fill these pre-requisites:

1st)It won't be an European civ(there are already 3 European civs in G&K(4 if you consider Byzantines as an European civ));
2nd)It'll be a civ that wasn't represented in earlier civ games(there are only 2 civs that haven't been in Civ series before);
3rd)It has to be a King/Queen or an Emperor/Empress as a leader,because of the "Kings" in expansion;
4th)Its culture should be unique enough for not being too similar with other civs already in Civ5 and G&K;
5th)It'll probably represent a region in the world never represented in Civ series before;

With only 1st,2nd,3rd and 4th pre-requisites,there are plenty of civs to choose . But with the 5th pre-requisite,I think there are about 3 civs that fulfill these pre-requisites:

- Majahapit(don't consider Srivijaya because their name is too hard to pronunciate);
- Brazil;
- Kongo;

Would argue that Sri Vijaya (Two words like Sri Lanka) is easier to pronounce than Majapahit myself. Anyway, I prefer Sri Vijaya because it would've been one of the richest civs in the world at one point (circa 900 AD, with China transitioning between dynasties, India divided, Europe still not really that relevant, only really behind the Arabs).

Going by those pre-requisites, you could probably include central Asia (Timurids, Uzbeks, Bactria, Kushan, Afghan) etc.

There's more in Africa too, would prefer for example Kanem-Bornu to the Kongo, for example...

I'm thinking that the Inuit might be the last unannounced Civ in G&K. I know this isn't much to go on, but there's a belief called "Dance of the Aurora" (+1 Faith from Tundra tiles without Forest).

That's almost certainly a reference to northern Native American tribes, like Inuit or Cree, who have a very spiritual connection to Aurora Borealis.

Good spot. Might be reading too much into things, but I do think this makes the Inuit a bit more likely...

Resources that might appear I think are Citrus Buffalo and Rice just guesses.

I think you posted this in the wrong thread xD.

I'm going with brazil, mainly because my formula says they should be added

I'm going with brazil, mainly because my formula says they should be added

So at least Maths wants Brazil in. Well, that is a start ;)

a good catch, there may be no correlation between the two but it would be a good fit.
Good spot. Might be reading too much into things, but I do think this makes the Inuit a bit more likely...
Yeah, that about sums up my feelings. :/ I'm hoping I'm right. Inuit (or Cree, etc.) would be way cool.

Edit: No pun intended. :P

Boom tish.

I'm thinking that the Inuit might be the last unannounced Civ in G&K. I know this isn't much to go on, but there's a belief called "Dance of the Aurora" (+1 Faith from Tundra tiles without Forest).

That's almost certainly a reference to northern Native American tribes, like Inuit or Cree, who have a very spiritual connection to Aurora Borealis.
Just because that pantheon is there doesn't mean the inuit will be in. It could be for Russia, Denmark and/or any civ one time I played Songhai I ended up in a whole bunch of tundra's. Just saying. And I did not have the disable terrain base thing on either.

Although it wouldn't be unwelcome to have a civ which benefited largely from its capabilites in the snow and tundra, if not at least in some part.

Still just a newbie dabbling, but thought I'd throw this in the mix – not as a prediction, but more as a talking point.

We've got civs already, or announced, that specialise in culture, economics/trade, science, military (both offence and, with Ethiopia now, defence), naval/maritime and, to come, faith. What about a new civ with some sort of unique ability/unit/building concerned with espionage?
Okay, I know England's supposed to get an extra spy, but I'd still consider it more a naval-oriented civ in the game, but is there any potential civ that could be an espionage specialist.
Off the top of my head, if we didn't already have Germany and Korea, I'd suggest East Germany or North Korea would have been a good fit. Anyone else?

Still just a newbie dabbling, but thought I'd throw this in the mix – not as a prediction, but more as a talking point.

We've got civs already, or announced, that specialise in culture, economics/trade, science, military (both offence and, with Ethiopia now, defence), naval/maritime and, to come, faith. What about a new civ with some sort of unique ability/unit/building concerned with espionage?
Okay, I know England's supposed to get an extra spy, but I'd still consider it more a naval-oriented civ in the game, but is there any potential civ that could be an espionage specialist.
Off the top of my head, if we didn't already have Germany and Korea, I'd suggest East Germany or North Korea would have been a good fit. Anyone else?

Israel?

Oh wait...

What would be a good espionage civ that could get in that isn't already in with realistic chances? Not really any I can think of either. Israel would be a good choice but they are out.

So I would have to think someone or some wonders will be reworked.

I'm thinking that the Inuit might be the last unannounced Civ in G&K. I know this isn't much to go on, but there's a belief called "Dance of the Aurora" (+1 Faith from Tundra tiles without Forest).

I've been hoping for Inuit, good theory Stormy. I really hope we get a civ which benefits from snow, and it would be really cool if a civ could use ice to its advantage too, ice as a workable tile?

Israel?

Oh wait...

What would be a good espionage civ that could get in that isn't already in with realistic chances? Not really any I can think of either. Israel would be a good choice but they are out.

So I would have to think someone or some wonders will be reworked.

Yeah, I know. It's not that easy. But here's one I'll throw out there:

Italy
UA: something like "Machiavellian Intrigue"? Culture bonus for successfully carrying out an spionage mision.
UU: Leonardo's Cannon (actually, that could also be a good stop-gap between the units in the "Crossbow-Gatling Gun" debate)
UB: Medici Bank (xtra gold and maybe also some sort of defence against espionage - representing the intelligence contacts the Italian renaissance banks were able to build and use)

I've seen Tibet as a suggestion, but has anyone thought of Nepal? I think Asia could use a civ in this expansion and the most obvious region in Asia that lacks representation is the Himalayan area.

I don't know about a UA or a second UU/UB, but I'd love for them to have a Gurkha UU.

One problem with Italy - we already know Milan is going to be added as a City-State, to say nothing of the several Italian City-States already in the game...

Afghanistan is the only real "new" civ I can think of that isn't already included and could have some espionage related bonus. Even then though, it'd just be like "It is harder for spies to succeed with their objectives".

Would be much easier to re-work espionage benefits to existing civs.

Although this will sound condescending: how could you think Inuit or Afghanistan would be included? Neither have dominated (their part of) the world, build magnificent cities, achieved scientific breakthrough or had a huge impact on history like most other civs in the game. They did not build empires. I'm not sure how either could create interesting game play without the only recognizable being their names.

I'd sooner expect India to be broken up into Moghuls and Vijaynagara than either of these two being included.

Although this will sound condescending: how could you think Inuit or Afghanistan would be included? Neither have dominated (their part of) the world, build magnificent cities, achieved scientific breakthrough or had a huge impact on history like most other civs in the game. They did not build empires. I'm not sure how either could create interesting game play without the only recognizable being their names.

I'd sooner expect India to be broken up into Moghuls and Vijaynagara than either of these two being included.

The Inuits (which is a web of societies rather than a single Civ) have dominated their part of the world, no less than the Polynesians at least.

So at least Maths wants Brazil in. Well, that is a start ;)

Actually, now it seems more like math wants hungary or poland

I'm thinking that the Inuit might be the last unannounced Civ in G&K. I know this isn't much to go on, but there's a belief called "Dance of the Aurora" (+1 Faith from Tundra tiles without Forest).

That's almost certainly a reference to northern Native American tribes, like Inuit or Cree, who have a very spiritual connection to Aurora Borealis.

Wouldn't that be unfair to the Celts. It would really hurt their uniqueness if another civ gets the same thing from a different terrain type.

I've suggested something before where they could cross snow tiles and there was no city unhappiness penalty for cities founded on tundra or snow (the cities would still be low in pop just because the tiles aren't good food tiles, but the people will be content and you'll get a decent amount of golden ages).

Although this will sound condescending: how could you think Inuit or Afghanistan would be included? Neither have dominated (their part of) the world, build magnificent cities, achieved scientific breakthrough or had a huge impact on history like most other civs in the game. They did not build empires. I'm not sure how either could create interesting game play without the only recognizable being their names.

I'd sooner expect India to be broken up into Moghuls and Vijaynagara than either of these two being included.

The irony here is that Babur conquered the Delhi Sultanate and setup the Moghul dynasty in India from his power base in ... Afghanistan ...

Afghanistan has a pretty chaotic history, but at various times they have been a major regional power, ruling over Iran, Central Asia, Pakistan and parts of India at some points.

Wouldn't that be unfair to the Celts. It would really hurt their uniqueness if another civ gets the same thing from a different terrain type.

I've suggested something before where they could cross snow tiles and there was no city unhappiness penalty for cities founded on tundra or snow (the cities would still be low in pop just because the tiles aren't good food tiles, but the people will be content and you'll get a decent amount of golden ages).

It wouldn't be unfair to the Celts as they begin with bonus faith from forests as it's their UA whereas the new tundra based Civ has to generate enough faith to pick the "dance of the aurora belief". The benefit they would have is there wouldn't be much competition, if any, for that belief.

I like your idea for a UA, it could have good synergy with a UI which works on tundra/ice tiles such as (forgive me if I'm being ignorant) an Igloo giving bonus food and production

Although this will sound condescending: how could you think Inuit or Afghanistan would be included? Neither have dominated (their part of) the world, build magnificent cities, achieved scientific breakthrough or had a huge impact on history like most other civs in the game. They did not build empires. I'm not sure how either could create interesting game play without the only recognizable being their names.

I'd sooner expect India to be broken up into Moghuls and Vijaynagara than either of these two being included.

Well you are probably not aware of the Ghaznavid empire then. The capital Ghazne happens to be inside afghani borders.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/96/Ghaznavid_Empire_975_-_1187_%28AD%29.PNG

But I would rather have central asia filled up with the karakhanids:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7e/Asia_1025ad.jpg/800px-Asia_1025ad.jpg

So at least Maths wants Brazil in. Well, that is a start ;)Actually, now it seems more like math wants hungary or poland

If somehow,you give bonus to civilizations which happens to have a Empire in a area with no Representation in Civ series,I'm sure Brazil and Majapahit would get more points . Thanks to the dlc of Polynesia,we know that this factor should have taken into account .

Just because that pantheon is there doesn't mean the inuit will be in. It could be for Russia, Denmark and/or any civ one time I played Songhai I ended up in a whole bunch of tundra's. Just saying. And I did not have the disable terrain base thing on either.
I wasn't talking about tundra based effect. I was just saying the name of the Belief is almost certainly a reference.

Very cool map, Hakan-i Cihan.

Well you are probably not aware of the Ghaznavid empire then. The capital Ghazne happens to be inside afghani borders.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/96/Ghaznavid_Empire_975_-_1187_%28AD%29.PNG

But I would rather have central asia filled up with the karakhanids:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7e/Asia_1025ad.jpg/800px-Asia_1025ad.jpg

I was indeed not aware of that empire. My objection was not inasmuch against a civ based in Afghanistan, but an Afghani civ. Which sounds like a horrible idea. Glad someone picked up on the Moghul irony :P

Timurids would be a nice civ to have, although it would be hard to distinguish their gameplay from the Mongols and the Huns. Come to think of it, Timur would be a more interesting character than Atilla. At the very least because he build cities.

TIMMEH!

Timurids would be a nice civ to have, although it would be hard to distinguish their gameplay from the Mongols and the Huns. Come to think of it, Timur would be a more interesting character than Atilla. At the very least because he build cities.

TIMMEH!

Agree on Timur > Atilla. I don't think it'd be that hard to distinguish from the Mongols and the Huns, since the Timurids actually built up there cities. Always thought a UA where they can capture other cities great people progress (conquer city, all great people progress from the conquered city is transferred to the capital) or automatic golden age with a great general spawn or something like that. Obviously the UU would need to be horse base though, a caravanserai UB or UI would be unique though.

What is the difference between a civ "based in Afghanistan" vs an "Afghani civ" anyway ?

That the civ is not called Aghanistan.

And I like great people progress capture upon conquest. Now all we can hope for the final civ to be the Timurids although I don't think I'd put money on it.

Afghanistan would not be a bad idea for a civ.
Especially when it is in a sort of Afghani-Pakistani Empire.
Most of empires of Afghanistan owned Afghanistan and Pakistan(Ghaznavid,Ghurid,Durrani Empires)
None of them lasted long enough to be classified as a civilization.
They have an unbreakable cultural,historical and political bond.

I think the name Afghanistan is both to modern and a little political sensitive atm. Of the three empires you mentioned, would they be interesting/inspiring enough to play? We have the Scourge of God, the Sword of Islam (Timurlane) would be a nice addition. Though as said, another horse-based conquer civ. Although I'm not sure whether there were any other empires in that region which were not horse/horde based.

We need more civ's that support pikeman and longswordsman and you know would be a good civilization would be either armenian empire or the bulgarian empire although bulgarian empire won't be very popular with civ fans due to over amount of euro civs, but the 1st mexican empire was quite large. It could represent southwestern U.S native tribes, but not likely. Also the hephthalite empire could used it's in central asia so we a civ that can found tengiism geographically at least. So ya reply.

Sorry, has Portugal been definitely ruled out? Because there was a Lisbon city-state somewhere? I think they'd fit with this set.

Sorry, has Portugal been definitely ruled out? Because there was a Lisbon city-state somewhere? I think they'd fit with this set.
Yes Portugal is a city-state and been confirmed as a mercantile city-state.

Yes Portugal is a city-state and been confirmed as a mercantile city-state.

*Lisbon.

http://forums.2kgames.com/showthread.php?119425-The-Ninth-Civ

http://forums.2kgames.com/showthread.php?119425-The-Ninth-Civ

Hurray! Good find.

That's a shame. I was hoping they'd wait a while longer. Revealing it cuts out the most active discussion topic in this forum, two months out from release. :(

That's a shame. I was hoping they'd wait a while longer. Revealing it cuts out the most active discussion topic in this forum, two months out from release. :(

Shh Kamikaze they may hear you! :p I really want to know ;p

That's a shame. I was hoping they'd wait a while longer. Revealing it cuts out the most active discussion topic in this forum, two months out from release. :(

On the plus side, it'll cut out the debates over the merits of obscure civilizations that don't really have a chance.

Or we can just speculate on DLC instead :p

That's a shame. I was hoping they'd wait a while longer. Revealing it cuts out the most active discussion topic in this forum, two months out from release. :(

Don't worry, we'll find plenty of other stuff to debate over the coming months. :mischief:

Wow, when I did click in that grey anti-spoiler thing I got this feeling that I don't know how to express in English... by tomorrow it's going to have me killed!

Sometimes speculation is the best part of the game (or TV Show), but it always gets off the tracks. Well, but it has been interesting, funny and even didactic.

Thanks JFD!

its going to be zulu

African or American civ. Has to be... Right?

http://forums.2kgames.com/showthread.php?119425-The-Ninth-Civ

Nice! :D


African or American civ. Has to be... Right?

Yup, or Indonesia (Asian civ)... Though the Sweden as "black horse" would be plausible. But they are perhaps better as new DLC Civ.

This is it Gucumatz, one of us is going to have to have an embarassing signature for 6 months right :P ?

If it's not the Zulu I..well....I won't eat my shorts on a webcam stream because I don't wear shorts, if I did they wouldn't be edible, and I don't have a webcam...

If it's not the Zulu I'll post a pic woth my underpants in my mouth.

Wow is Portugal ever fitting for this expansion (Gods, Kings, religion, espionage, naval power, renaissance scenario). Madness not to include them! :deadhorse:

Please,God,let it be...a civ that is not European!
:please:

Please God! No European civs plz plz

Please,God,let it be...a civ that is not European!
:please:

This! :goodjob:

Even after this expansion? Friends, I think it's inevitable that the Portuguese will be in at some point given the feature list.

Even after this expansion? Friends, I think it's inevitable that the Portuguese will be in at some point given the feature list.

I wouldn't be opposed to the Portuguese being added as a DLC later on, but I'd also like to see another African and American civ, and perhaps another Asian one as well.

Well, the Renaissance scenario aspect is irrelevant since the civs for that is locked. I don't really associate Portugal with modern espionage.

For the rest, Indonesia strikes me as just as close a fit.

Please God! No European civs plz plz

I concur. A dozen of them is more than enough.

Finger crossing for Majapahit

Hopefully won't be long at all from now!

Sweden or Zulu are my guess. I think a lot of it might well come down to which ones they feel are most marketable on their own as DLC - for example, how Denmark or Korea did next to Polynesia.

My 2 cents, just for the heck of it:

My heart says to include Kongo. It's just too cool not to!

My head says to include the Majapahit or Sri Vajaya (Indonesia is a 230-million-strong nation today, so who wouldn't want to sell games there? Also, these empires are neat!)

I would accept the inclusion of Brazil - South America is under-represented, and Brazil isn't too much younger than the USA. Also a huge potential market.

I would not be happy with another European civilization, especially in the West or even in the Far North or East. I just think we have enough!

Tibet would be amazing, but controversial in the world's largest gaming market - China. Israel would be a blessing, but controversial in the billion-person market that is the Mid-East. Another Native American Civ would rock, but I don't even know who that would be, since there are scores of equally-deserving candidates. Zulu would be OK, but if I ever have to start next to Shaka in a game of Civ ever again, I may start crying.

Whatever happens, I am excited for today's announcement :)

Disclaimer: These are just my hunches/opinions and I make no claims about the moral rightness of including any of these.

Well, the Renaissance scenario aspect is irrelevant since the civs for that is locked. I don't really associate Portugal with modern espionage.

For the rest, Indonesia strikes me as just as close a fit.

I don't either. I associate them with Renaissance espionage; the matters involving New World discoveries and Iberian politics, which greatly influenced the formation of the modern age.

http://forums.2kgames.com/showthread.php?119443-The-Official-Ninth-Civ-Reveal-Thread I guess we are not done with the guessing!

Gah! Some kind of tent thing, I think.

Oh c'mon! That's just cruel! I really thought he was going to tell us

I guess this thread really is a guessing game now. Based on what I see, the Zulu make the most sense, but I don't see much.

http://forums.2kgames.com/showthread.php?119443-The-Official-Ninth-Civ-Reveal-Thread I guess we are not done with the guessing!

What a monstrous tease...

My reactions: 1) LOOKS LIKE NOT EUROPE HOORAY! 2) ...now wtf is that? :confused: 3) Maybe Kongo, Zulu, or some variation on Indonesia, but otherwise I don't even know?

Edit: I guess it could actually be a European leader's funky crown or something... sigh.

Zulus. 2KGreg loves the Zulus...

Oh c'mon! That's just cruel! I really thought he was going to tell us

Haha, I thought it was funny. In a cruel annoying sort of way. :lol:

No way European people are dark, unless the brown parts are leather. >_>

I would think of Shaka as being more likely to be outside if that is indeed the inside of a building.

ETA: Is that a person, I was thinking it was the background.

What about those pearly adornments?

Someone was saying that the picture is a leg, but I am not seeing it

I think the part that looks like a leg is actually a boot.

A boot, nice guess... and that thing coming from above must be a belt or something...

The part that I'm most confused by is the thing hanging down - can't think of anything it could be other than a scabbard. That being said, what sort of scene is likely to have been painted in this style? Obviously it looks like the wonder movies, but I can't recall anything else.

Looks like a kilt/robe with a strap and a boot or shin guard.

The part that I'm most confused by is the thing hanging down - can't think of anything it could be other than a scabbard. That being said, what sort of scene is likely to have been painted in this style? Obviously it looks like the wonder movies, but I can't recall anything else.

Looks like the same art style as the Boudicca concept art. Probably concept art of 9th civ leader.

Maybe someone riding on horseback with a sword at their side? If it's that, certainly points towards Sweden.

Edit: Something like this, perhaps? http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-p9WLJHZyeS8/TrYX9MqJViI/AAAAAAAAFvo/O9ZwZtjzqFI/s1600/Gustavus_Adolphus_at_the_Battle_at_Breitenfeld.jpg

It could be Gilgamesh, if that is tunic and boots it would make more sense on him rather than Shaka

It could be a saddle, (the top part), ornamented reins (the orange part) and a holster for a rifle/gun (the brown part) and the brown thing hanging down is just a strap... or it could be something completely different, prob going to feel stupid when I see the whole picture :)

The part that I'm most confused by is the thing hanging down - can't think of anything it could be other than a scabbard.

Or a leather tassel. Shaka wasn't a boot man from all the depictions of him Ive seen.

It could be a saddle, (the top part), ornamented reins (the orange part) and a holster for a rifle/gun (the brown part) and the brown thing hanging down is just a strap... or it could be something completely different, prob going to feel stupid when I see the whole picture :)
I could see that being the case, it seems more logical than a human body part

Looks like the same art style as the Boudicca concept art. Probably concept art of 9th civ leader.

Ah, good call.

Maybe someone riding on horseback with a sword at their side? If it's that, certainly points towards Sweden.

Edit: Something like this, perhaps? http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-p9WLJHZyeS8/TrYX9MqJViI/AAAAAAAAFvo/O9ZwZtjzqFI/s1600/Gustavus_Adolphus_at_the_Battle_at_Breitenfeld.jpg

Yeah, Gustavus Adolphus is the one I'm closely scrutinizing to try and find out. The problem is the picture is very zoomed in so it's hard to get context. Also, Firaxis tends to take famous portraits and modify them enough so there is no longer a 1:1 match.

Yeah, Gustavus Adolphus is the one I'm closely scrutinizing to try and find out. The problem is the picture is very zoomed in so it's hard to get context. Also, Firaxis tends to take famous portraits and modify them enough so there is no longer a 1:1 match.
Well if you tilt your head a bit it almost matches Gustavus' leg and saddle.

Maybe someone riding on horseback with a sword at their side? If it's that, certainly points towards Sweden.

Edit: Something like this, perhaps? http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-p9WLJHZyeS8/TrYX9MqJViI/AAAAAAAAFvo/O9ZwZtjzqFI/s1600/Gustavus_Adolphus_at_the_Battle_at_Breitenfeld.jpg

Nice catch! The lace or whatever on the boot matches, so you may be right.

I am pretty sure the white stuff is some sort of lace and I cant see any african leaders wear that, independent of what it is attached to (boot, jacket or whatever). Neither do i associate that with any south american civ or native american. Asians perhaps but then I would think a more younger civ than Indonesia that has been discussed (could imagine something like that on a Chinese leader for example). So from the lace I deduct that we have a european civ, and then we have hungary, polen and sweden that has been up for discussion earlier (I do not include portugal because of the city state) and from those I would guess sweden.

The more I look at it I am thinking sweden. Could be a holster for a gun (gustavus had that), the brown that is behind what I think is a boot would be his brown horse. He would absolutely wear lace as that was the fashion back then. Yellow (orangy) is a color that you can see that he wears in many paintings.

A larger version of the image of Gustav
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-skYBnEkBbBw/TkPb3VjEkjI/AAAAAAAAB04/dw5v5mV6oqM/s1600/phpkccI8F1304428889.jpg

Maybe someone riding on horseback with a sword at their side? If it's that, certainly points towards Sweden.

Edit: Something like this, perhaps? http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-p9WLJHZyeS8/TrYX9MqJViI/AAAAAAAAFvo/O9ZwZtjzqFI/s1600/Gustavus_Adolphus_at_the_Battle_at_Breitenfeld.jpg

That's either a giant man or a tiny horse.

so it could really be anything so far ;-)

So, it looks like I was wrong about the Inuit. :/ Oh well. I have a lot of Swedish heritage, so I'd be totally happy if it does turn out to be Sweden.

i kind of want to say that white stuff is a fur trim, but it does look really close to that picture of gustavus adolphus, so i don't know.

If it is Sweden, the second expansion better be called "Everyone But Europeans".

If it is Sweden, the second expansion better be called "Everyone But Europeans".

Agreed. No need to add Finland, Hungary, Romania, Poland, Switzerland, Bulgaria to the game. Portugal is fine

Agreed. No need to add Finland, Hungary, Romania, Poland, Switzerland, Bulgaria to the game. Portugal is fine

A Hungary and Poland wouldn't be bad as a DLC. They would fit in amazingly in the Renaissance Scenario. Poland, at least...

After they hopefully release Kongo and Zulu as DLC.

I wouldn't say no to another Swiss City-State or two. We don't have Zurich or Berne, do we?

well i'm not sure at all and a quick question for the current scenario's for the dlc's will they be altered for this game and too narrow the guessing down it looks similar to william orange so civs that are in the same timeline so 15th to 17th centurys. Oh and one more question it's for the guys making this game how much have you completed 75% or 60% or are you done and holding this back and making us suffer:cry: while laughing:lol: and playing this all this time I demand to know!!!:mad:

If it's not the Zulu I'll post a pic woth my underpants in my mouth.

Noted.

Noted.

:lol:

Lmao where is the kinky underpants pic?

The guy I made bet with PM the signature soon, guess I lost D: stupid City State pretending to be Zulu.

I just looked it up on wikipedia, Sweden of all places is the ninth civ, and with a Finnish UU no less. I had kittens when I found out.

I'm glad the tribal and minor civs could be coming as DLCs. That way they won't be in my civ games. :p

I'm glad the tribal and minor civs could be coming as DLCs. That way they won't be in my civ games. :p

I don't think there was any real chance for tribal or minor civs in the expansion
But I guess we have a different understanding what minor civ is...

Now that the guessing for GK civs is over, I made a twin poll about further civs
Here they are if anyone interested:

Multi-option poll:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=460009

Single-option poll:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=460012